Palestine Today

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep the issue that "military control" ≠ "sovereignty." True, and no one is arguing that point. Sovereignty is about exercising "decision making power and authority." IF a territory is "exclusively" under the "power and authority" of country "A" → THEN no other country can claim sovereignty.

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Who holds sovereignty over the geographical territory commonly referred to as Palestine?

Israel holds military control. Military control does not equate to sovereignty. It is usually related to occupation.

Your islamo-tap dancing around the question is not surprising.

(COMMENT)

There are all manner in levels of 'control." Yes, to be an occupation power, the occupation force must have "effective control." But that is only one aspect of control; military, police or otherwise.

Sovereignty can be acquired and maintained by military control or in which constitutional provisions for government remanded into the hands of the military and civilian control is suspended [eg military dictatorship - Egypt (Middle East) or Ethiopia (Africa)].

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but sovereignty cannot be acquired by force.

OK, so what's all this fuss with the islamic gee-had at the border riots?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep the issue that "military control" ≠ "sovereignty." True, and no one is arguing that point. Sovereignty is about exercising "decision making power and authority." IF a territory is "exclusively" under the "power and authority" of country "A" → THEN no other country can claim sovereignty.

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Who holds sovereignty over the geographical territory commonly referred to as Palestine?

Israel holds military control. Military control does not equate to sovereignty. It is usually related to occupation.

Your islamo-tap dancing around the question is not surprising.

(COMMENT)

There are all manner in levels of 'control." Yes, to be an occupation power, the occupation force must have "effective control." But that is only one aspect of control; military, police or otherwise.

Sovereignty can be acquired and maintained by military control or in which constitutional provisions for government remanded into the hands of the military and civilian control is suspended [eg military dictatorship - Egypt (Middle East) or Ethiopia (Africa)].

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but sovereignty cannot be acquired by force.

OK, so what's all this fuss with the islamic gee-had at the border riots?

The Palestinians already have the right to sovereignty.

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep the issue that "military control" ≠ "sovereignty." True, and no one is arguing that point. Sovereignty is about exercising "decision making power and authority." IF a territory is "exclusively" under the "power and authority" of country "A" → THEN no other country can claim sovereignty.

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Israel holds military control. Military control does not equate to sovereignty. It is usually related to occupation.

Your islamo-tap dancing around the question is not surprising.

(COMMENT)

There are all manner in levels of 'control." Yes, to be an occupation power, the occupation force must have "effective control." But that is only one aspect of control; military, police or otherwise.

Sovereignty can be acquired and maintained by military control or in which constitutional provisions for government remanded into the hands of the military and civilian control is suspended [eg military dictatorship - Egypt (Middle East) or Ethiopia (Africa)].

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but sovereignty cannot be acquired by force.

OK, so what's all this fuss with the islamic gee-had at the border riots?

The Palestinians already have the right to sovereignty.

In what way?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are a bit confused...

OK, but sovereignty cannot be acquired by force.

(COMMENT)

On the matter of Acquisition by Force:

It is not an element of force. In the case of the Middle East, the Arabs were the aggressors (1948, 1967, 1973). And the general legal principle is that the the aggressor nation may not profit from their act of aggression. In the basic law, you do not reward wrong doing.

Yes, the rule is: the principle of international law on "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force.” But in actuallity, the Arab Forces do ntget a do-over just because they want to reset the battlefield and try again.​

On the Matter of Sovereignty:

Sovereignty is not a "thing." You cannot issue sovereignty. Sovereignty is a "state of being." The concepts of "admissible or inadmissible" are not applicable. Any given territory is either under the sovereignty of a power, or it is not. It is not something you recognize or not recognize. It is either under the power of a nation to the exclusion of all others, or it is not.​

Whether or not you think it is illegal is unimportant. It cannot change sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep the issue that "military control" ≠ "sovereignty." True, and no one is arguing that point. Sovereignty is about exercising "decision making power and authority." IF a territory is "exclusively" under the "power and authority" of country "A" → THEN no other country can claim sovereignty.

View attachment 214732
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Israel holds military control. Military control does not equate to sovereignty. It is usually related to occupation.

Your islamo-tap dancing around the question is not surprising.

(COMMENT)

There are all manner in levels of 'control." Yes, to be an occupation power, the occupation force must have "effective control." But that is only one aspect of control; military, police or otherwise.

Sovereignty can be acquired and maintained by military control or in which constitutional provisions for government remanded into the hands of the military and civilian control is suspended [eg military dictatorship - Egypt (Middle East) or Ethiopia (Africa)].

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but sovereignty cannot be acquired by force.

OK, so what's all this fuss with the islamic gee-had at the border riots?

The Palestinians already have the right to sovereignty.

OK, but you have claimed that sovereignty cannot be acquired by force.

So what's all this fuss about the Islamic gee-had at the border riots?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I ask again, what territory is sovereign unto the Arab Palestinian?

The Palestinians already have the right to sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

Sovereignty over a territory is a state of being; you have it or you don't.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BTW: Israel does not claim sovereignty over the West Bank or Gaza Strip. The small pieces of land that they did claim sovereignty over (ie a piece of Jerusalem) were never places that were ever under the sovereignty of the Arab Palestinian (at least for a millennium.

v/r
R

 

[USAF 2023]

Keep showing those Y Tube Videos. The more they play the more it’s realized the Palestinians have no desire to respect Israel’s Borders which is something the Israeli Govt had known from the start.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is not an element of force. In the case of the Middle East, the Arabs were the aggressors (1948, 1967, 1973).

Which Arabs?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

When will this end?

I believe your question should be, "when will the Islamist gee-had end"

 

[rylah]

Illegal villas demolished on French Mediterranean coast

 

[rylah]

US MAKES 1ST EXTRADITION REQUEST FOR HAMAS TERRORIST WHO KILLED AMERICANS
Request to Jordan could put terrorist woman released in Schalit deal back in prison

The US Department of Justice announced on Tuesday its first ever extradition request to try a Hamas terrorist who murdered Americans during the Second Intifada.

Prior to US President Donald Trump taking office, the only legal proceedings against such terrorists have been criminal proceedings in Israeli courts or civil wrongful death proceedings brought by the families of victim, not by the US government, in US courts.
The request is addressed to Jordan to extradite Ahlam Tamimi, who was in Israeli jails for multiple murders connected to the August 9, 2001 Sbarro Pizza suicide bombing, but was released in the 2011 Gilad Schalit prisoner exchange.

15 civilians were killed in the midday attack, including 7 children and a pregnant woman, and 130 were wounded. Tamimi scouted for a target before leading the bomber, Izz al-Din Shuheil al-Masri, to the restaurant.

 

[rylah]

ON THIS DAY: REMEMBERING THE DEVASTATION OF THE MUNICH MASSACRE
Soon after the massacre began, a Black September spokesman called for the release 234 Palestinian prisoners and West German-held founders of the Red Army Faction, Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof.

46 years ago, September 5, 1972 Palestinian terrorist group Black September took hostage and later killed 11 Israelis Olympic athletes and a German police officer during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany.

 

[P F Tinmore]

US MAKES 1ST EXTRADITION REQUEST FOR HAMAS TERRORIST WHO KILLED AMERICANS
Request to Jordan could put terrorist woman released in Schalit deal back in prison

The US Department of Justice announced on Tuesday its first ever extradition request to try a Hamas terrorist who murdered Americans during the Second Intifada.

Prior to US President Donald Trump taking office, the only legal proceedings against such terrorists have been criminal proceedings in Israeli courts or civil wrongful death proceedings brought by the families of victim, not by the US government, in US courts.
The request is addressed to Jordan to extradite Ahlam Tamimi, who was in Israeli jails for multiple murders connected to the August 9, 2001 Sbarro Pizza suicide bombing, but was released in the 2011 Gilad Schalit prisoner exchange.

15 civilians were killed in the midday attack, including 7 children and a pregnant woman, and 130 were wounded. Tamimi scouted for a target before leading the bomber, Izz al-Din Shuheil al-Masri, to the restaurant.

Jordan cannot extradite Ahlam Tamimi because it would violate their own laws.

 

[USAF 2023]

ON THIS DAY: REMEMBERING THE DEVASTATION OF THE MUNICH MASSACRE
Soon after the massacre began, a Black September spokesman called for the release 234 Palestinian prisoners and West German-held founders of the Red Army Faction, Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof.

46 years ago, September 5, 1972 Palestinian terrorist group Black September took hostage and later killed 11 Israelis Olympic athletes and a German police officer during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany.

I will “ cry” for “ Innocent Palestinians” the way they cried for those Israeli Athletes

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, for heavens sake.

It is not an element of force. In the case of the Middle East, the Arabs were the aggressors (1948, 1967, 1973).

Which Arabs?

(COMMENT)

That would be all the participating Arab League Nations that were interfereing by force in the Israeli efforts of self-determination IAW the UN Recommendation and the cooperation of the UN Palestine Commission (the successor government). This would also include the Hostile Arab Palestinians of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

I don't think anyone really expected Jordan, or any other member of the Arab League, to follow
The United Nations Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy (A/RES/60/288).

US MAKES 1ST EXTRADITION REQUEST FOR HAMAS TERRORIST WHO KILLED AMERICANS
Request to Jordan could put terrorist woman released in Schalit deal back in prison

The US Department of Justice announced on Tuesday its first-ever extradition request to try a Hamas terrorist who murdered Americans during the Second Intifada.

Prior to US President Donald Trump taking office, the only legal proceedings against such terrorists have been criminal proceedings in Israeli courts or civil wrongful death proceedings brought by the families of victims, not by the US government, in US courts.
The request is addressed to Jordan to extradite Ahlam Tamimi, who was in Israeli jails for multiple murders connected to the August 9, 2001 Sbarro Pizza suicide bombing, but was released in the 2011 Gilad Schalit prisoner exchange.

15 civilians were killed in the midday attack, including 7 children and a pregnant woman, and 130 were wounded. Tamimi scouted for a target before leading the bomber, Izz al-Din Shuheil al-Masri, to the restaurant.

Jordan cannot extradite Ahlam Tamimi because it would violate their own laws.

(COMMENT)

There was no reasonable expectation that the nations in the Middle East, North Africa, the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea, or those of Central Asia (which account for more than half of the Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters in the world) would abide by the tenants and pledge of the Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy:

We resolve to undertake the following measures to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorist access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets and to the desired impact of their attacks:

1. To refrain from organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities and to take appropriate practical measures to ensure that our respective territories are not used for terrorist installations or training camps, or for the preparation or organization of terrorist acts, intended to be committed against other States or their citizens;

2. To cooperate fully in the fight against terrorism, in accordance with our obligations under international law, in order to find, deny safe haven and bring to justice, on the basis of the principle of extradite or prosecute, any person who supports, facilitates, participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens;

3. To ensure the apprehension and prosecution or extradition of perpetrators of terrorist acts, in accordance with the relevant provisions of national and international law, in particular human rights law, refugee law and international humanitarian law. We will endeavour to conclude and implement to that effect mutual judicial assistance and extradition agreements and to strengthen cooperation between law enforcement agencies;​

Most Respectfully,
R