Palestine Today

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US MAKES 1ST EXTRADITION REQUEST FOR HAMAS TERRORIST WHO KILLED AMERICANS
Request to Jordan could put terrorist woman released in Schalit deal back in prison

The US Department of Justice announced on Tuesday its first ever extradition request to try a Hamas terrorist who murdered Americans during the Second Intifada.

Prior to US President Donald Trump taking office, the only legal proceedings against such terrorists have been criminal proceedings in Israeli courts or civil wrongful death proceedings brought by the families of victim, not by the US government, in US courts.
The request is addressed to Jordan to extradite Ahlam Tamimi, who was in Israeli jails for multiple murders connected to the August 9, 2001 Sbarro Pizza suicide bombing, but was released in the 2011 Gilad Schalit prisoner exchange.

15 civilians were killed in the midday attack, including 7 children and a pregnant woman, and 130 were wounded. Tamimi scouted for a target before leading the bomber, Izz al-Din Shuheil al-Masri, to the restaurant.

Jordan cannot extradite Ahlam Tamimi because it would violate their own laws.

remember that one, sbarros.... and "tamimi" - a creep of a person. has malice..."scoping out targets." then got a free get-out-of-jail-card. hope all is well ....

 

[Shusha]

How is nationality of individuals determined in international law?

Nationality is determined by territory. Birth and blood. Palestinians born in Palestine are Palestinians by birth and blood. Children born of Palestinian refugees are Palestine by blood. Their parents are Palestinian nationals. We see this in the US. John McCain was born in Panama by US nationals. Ted Cruz was born in Canada by US nationals. Both are considered US nationals.

Nationality by birth alone can get political even though it is common.

Actually, nationality by birth (jus soli) is rare. Only 30 countries of the 194 in the world offer birthright citizenship. The other 164 countries base nationality on lineage (jus sanguinis). Both Israel and Palestine follow jus sanguinis. So nationality follows the nationality of one's parents and is not dependent on your place of birth (with some notable exceptions. I, for example, have US citizenship due to my birthplace).

 

[Shusha]

OK, but sovereignty cannot be acquired by force.

Israel's military and CIVIL control over Area C was not acquired by force. It was "acquired" (actually confirmed) by treaty.

 

[Shusha]

How is nationality of individuals determined in international law?

Nationality is determined by territory. Birth and blood. Palestinians born in Palestine are Palestinians by birth and blood. Children born of Palestinian refugees are Palestine by blood. Their parents are Palestinian nationals. We see this in the US. John McCain was born in Panama by US nationals. Ted Cruz was born in Canada by US nationals. Both are considered US nationals.

Nationality by birth alone can get political even though it is common.

If there is such a thing as "Palestinian nationality", then you can't argue that the laws of State succession have deprived Palestinians of their nationality. And Arabs living in Palestine or in the other successor State (Jordan) by definition are nationals living in their country of nationality and therefore CAN NOT be considered refugees.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, for heavens sake.

It is not an element of force. In the case of the Middle East, the Arabs were the aggressors (1948, 1967, 1973).

Which Arabs?

(COMMENT)

That would be all the participating Arab League Nations that were interfereing by force in the Israeli efforts of self-determination IAW the UN Recommendation and the cooperation of the UN Palestine Commission (the successor government). This would also include the Hostile Arab Palestinians of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army.

Most Respectfully,
R

Defending yourself from a foreign settler colonial project is terrorism.

Yeah, I know where you are coming from.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How is nationality of individuals determined in international law?

Nationality is determined by territory. Birth and blood. Palestinians born in Palestine are Palestinians by birth and blood. Children born of Palestinian refugees are Palestine by blood. Their parents are Palestinian nationals. We see this in the US. John McCain was born in Panama by US nationals. Ted Cruz was born in Canada by US nationals. Both are considered US nationals.

Nationality by birth alone can get political even though it is common.

Actually, nationality by birth (jus soli) is rare. Only 30 countries of the 194 in the world offer birthright citizenship. The other 164 countries base nationality on lineage (jus sanguinis). Both Israel and Palestine follow jus sanguinis. So nationality follows the nationality of one's parents and is not dependent on your place of birth (with some notable exceptions. I, for example, have US citizenship due to my birthplace).

Indeed, Palestinians are Palestinians no matter where they were born. Arafat, for example, was born in Egypt but his parents were Palestinian. So legally he was a Palestinian.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, for heavens sake.

It is not an element of force. In the case of the Middle East, the Arabs were the aggressors (1948, 1967, 1973).

Which Arabs?

(COMMENT)

That would be all the participating Arab League Nations that were interfereing by force in the Israeli efforts of self-determination IAW the UN Recommendation and the cooperation of the UN Palestine Commission (the successor government). This would also include the Hostile Arab Palestinians of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army.

Most Respectfully,
R

Defending yourself from a foreign settler colonial project is terrorism.

Yeah, I know where you are coming from.

Obviously, you’re lamenting the fact that the Jewish people have been successful and productive in establishing their national home. That was done in accordance with the desire and intent of the Mandate. That obviously is an affront to the Islamist psyche as insensate Jew hatred is a part of your ideology. The success of the Jewish people vs.the ineptitude and failures of Arabs-Moslems grinds away at you. You become more angry and resentful with every passing day.

Take the steps necessary to improve your miserable life. Consider some quality time with Dareen Tatour finding phrases that rhyme with gee-had.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are missing an entirely different set of concepts.

The 1948 Jewish "Settlers" (as you call them) were immigrants to the Region; invited by the Government of Palestine (the Allied Powers appointing Great Britain) to affect the establishment of the Jewish National Home (JNH). There was not then, there is not now, nor has there ever been a true political or genealogical connection between the Jewish Immigrants and the British lead Palestine Government other than that which was assigned government.(Great Britain).

Defending yourself from a foreign settler colonial project is terrorism.
Yeah, I know where you are coming from.

(COMMENT)

The idea that the Arab Palestinians were defending themselves against the Jewish aggression is so outrageous that mere words cannot really define it.

Similarly, today → the very notion that the Jewish people making settlements in Area "C" (under full Israeli control via the Oslo Accords) were the aggressors → is just as equally outrageous.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

The 1948 Jewish "Settlers" (as you call them) were immigrants to the Region; invited by the Government of Palestine

The immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The idea that the Arab Palestinians were defending themselves against the Jewish aggression is so outrageous that mere words cannot really define it.

Interesting opinion. Do you have anything to back that up?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Reunited with Rasmea and it feels so good. Only made more delightful because we got to deliver copies of her book, TOWARDS THE SUN, an edited anthology of essays written by the women Rasmea organized and worked with in the Arab Women's Committee of the Arab American Action Network, published in Arabic and English by Tadween Publishing. Rasmea had to leave before the book project was complete and since then it is already developing its own life in the US and will develop a new one in Jordan and beyond. You continue to inspire Rasmea and we are so much better because of you. Get your copy of her book now! https://tadweenpublishing.com/products/towards-the-sun

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli occupation forces destroyed Palestinian home in Bet Hanina town in the occupied city of #Jerusalem.

 

[Shusha]

Indeed, Palestinians are Palestinians no matter where they were born. Arafat, for example, was born in Egypt but his parents were Palestinian. So legally he was a Palestinian.

Okay. But then you can't claim that their right of return is based on them being deprived of their nationality, can you?

 

[USAF 2023]

Israeli occupation forces destroyed Palestinian home in Bet Hanina town in the occupied city of #Jerusalem.

Jerusalem was occupied before 1967. Since then it’s been liberated

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Who the hell is "Lama Khater?" Lama Khater is an amateur blogger and contributing opinion writer for such pro-terrorist organizations such as al-Jazeera, the HAMAS-affiliated Quds News Network (QNN) (primarily composed of freelance wanna-be correspondents and 60 volunteers ambulance chasing story writers). She does not have a true portfolio due to not having a prior professional experience as a journalist.

Lama Khater is one of those people that attempts to pretend they are an unbiased source of eye-witness accounts that contribute to the incitement of terrorist acts, that motivates extremist activity and poses a serious danger to human rights.

"Free Lama Khater" poster

(COMMENT)

There is little question as to the importance of the role of the media in the creation of a productive dialogue and in promoting tolerance in fostering an environment which is not conducive to incitement of terrorism. However, Lama Khater makes no such contribution. She, instead, does the opposite and attempts to be the center of attention by playing the part of a heroine; one caught in the middle of a freedom of the press issue.

Lama Khater is NOT a person who acts with extraordinary courage. On the contrary, Lama Khater has been charged in connection with inciting "hostile" activities against Israeli soldiers and settlers. She has been promoting Jihadism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. Pro-Arab Palestinian forces are using organizations like the Palestinian Prisoner Society (PPS) (no better than a fraternal organization of gangsters) and The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) to gain sympathy; changing the story from "why she was apprehended," to focusing on the fact of it is a "detention of a journalist."

Just my thought.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

The immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun.

You mean like the Great March of Return is trying to impose on Israel at the point of a flaming kite and some homemade bombs?

 

[Hollie]

Reunited with Rasmea and it feels so good. Only made more delightful because we got to deliver copies of her book, TOWARDS THE SUN, an edited anthology of essays written by the women Rasmea organized and worked with in the Arab Women's Committee of the Arab American Action Network, published in Arabic and English by Tadween Publishing. Rasmea had to leave before the book project was complete and since then it is already developing its own life in the US and will develop a new one in Jordan and beyond. You continue to inspire Rasmea and we are so much better because of you. Get your copy of her book now! https://tadweenpublishing.com/products/towards-the-sun

Aww. Isn’t it nice that a young girl has a psychopath for a friend.

Gee whiz, think of the lessons learned that the mass murderer can pass on to a child.

 

[Hollie]

Israeli occupation forces destroyed Palestinian home in Bet Hanina town in the occupied city of #Jerusalem.

Why were Islamics squatting on land that was not theirs?

 

[Hollie]

The 1948 Jewish "Settlers" (as you call them) were immigrants to the Region; invited by the Government of Palestine

The immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun.

Somebody had to clean the place up.