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No Jews to blame...no interest, no political gain.I wonder why no one discusses this:
Hurling Insults at Each Other...
by Khaled Abu Toameh
Palestinians: While Abbas and Hamas were Hurling Insults at Each Other...
- The Action Group for Palestinians of Syria says that according to its research, there are at least 1,711 Palestinians being held in Syrian prisons.
- The plight of the Palestinians in Syria is not difficult to fathom. What is difficult to fathom is: Where are the international media when those Palestinians are being brutalized?
- One can make up excuses for the apathy of the international community toward the atrocities the Palestinians are facing in Syria. However, the indifference of Palestinian leaders to the suffering of their own people is harder to justify.
- As the reports about the Palestinian victims were emerging, Abbas was in Cairo socializing with famous Egyptian actors and actresses.
My point is that if your own people believe it is a fairytale then the foundation for the belief that these are your ancient lands is built upon a fairytale and you have no valid claim.I agree that the creation of Israel was based upon biblical claims. Do you agree?No. I want to argue the basis of the boundaries.Self-determination of a peoples with a long history on that land. Again, did you want to argue against that principle?
They were not the only people with a long history of occupying those lands.
Do you want to argue against those people’s self determination?
I do not argue against any people's self-determination. I believe all of them should have it if they seek it. That most certainly includes BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian people. It also includes Catalonia, Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Tibet, Kurdistan and all the First Nations of the Americas.
As to where the boundaries should be set between those seeking self-determination and existing states, it should be in a place negotiated between that particular state and the government of the peoples seeking the self-determination.
Do you disagree?
I think the terms "biblical claims" and "fairytales" are weaponized against the Jewish people for the purpose of diminishing and rejecting their legitimate historical claims.
It is a position being argued by Hollie.My point is that if your own people believe it is a fairytale then the foundation for the belief that these are your ancient lands is built upon a fairytale and you have no valid claim.I agree that the creation of Israel was based upon biblical claims. Do you agree?No. I want to argue the basis of the boundaries.
They were not the only people with a long history of occupying those lands.
Do you want to argue against those people’s self determination?
I do not argue against any people's self-determination. I believe all of them should have it if they seek it. That most certainly includes BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian people. It also includes Catalonia, Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Tibet, Kurdistan and all the First Nations of the Americas.
As to where the boundaries should be set between those seeking self-determination and existing states, it should be in a place negotiated between that particular state and the government of the peoples seeking the self-determination.
Do you disagree?
I think the terms "biblical claims" and "fairytales" are weaponized against the Jewish people for the purpose of diminishing and rejecting their legitimate historical claims.
Yes, I understand your point very well. If Jews have nothing but "fairytales" then they have no claim to that land. As, I said, it is weaponization of terms and concepts for the explicit purpose of denying the Jewish people a claim to a homeland.
But in order to hold that weaponized opinion, one must entirely ignore or reject three thousand years of factual, recorded, evident history of the Jewish people in their homeland.
It's a ridiculous position to hold.
It is a position being argued by Hollie.My point is that if your own people believe it is a fairytale then the foundation for the belief that these are your ancient lands is built upon a fairytale and you have no valid claim.I agree that the creation of Israel was based upon biblical claims. Do you agree?I do not argue against any people's self-determination. I believe all of them should have it if they seek it. That most certainly includes BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian people. It also includes Catalonia, Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Tibet, Kurdistan and all the First Nations of the Americas.
As to where the boundaries should be set between those seeking self-determination and existing states, it should be in a place negotiated between that particular state and the government of the peoples seeking the self-determination.
Do you disagree?
I think the terms "biblical claims" and "fairytales" are weaponized against the Jewish people for the purpose of diminishing and rejecting their legitimate historical claims.
Yes, I understand your point very well. If Jews have nothing but "fairytales" then they have no claim to that land. As, I said, it is weaponization of terms and concepts for the explicit purpose of denying the Jewish people a claim to a homeland.
But in order to hold that weaponized opinion, one must entirely ignore or reject three thousand years of factual, recorded, evident history of the Jewish people in their homeland.
It's a ridiculous position to hold.
It is a position being argued by Hollie.My point is that if your own people believe it is a fairytale then the foundation for the belief that these are your ancient lands is built upon a fairytale and you have no valid claim.I agree that the creation of Israel was based upon biblical claims. Do you agree?I do not argue against any people's self-determination. I believe all of them should have it if they seek it. That most certainly includes BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian people. It also includes Catalonia, Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Tibet, Kurdistan and all the First Nations of the Americas.
As to where the boundaries should be set between those seeking self-determination and existing states, it should be in a place negotiated between that particular state and the government of the peoples seeking the self-determination.
Do you disagree?
I think the terms "biblical claims" and "fairytales" are weaponized against the Jewish people for the purpose of diminishing and rejecting their legitimate historical claims.
Yes, I understand your point very well. If Jews have nothing but "fairytales" then they have no claim to that land. As, I said, it is weaponization of terms and concepts for the explicit purpose of denying the Jewish people a claim to a homeland.
But in order to hold that weaponized opinion, one must entirely ignore or reject three thousand years of factual, recorded, evident history of the Jewish people in their homeland.
It's a ridiculous position to hold.
She calls Genesis a fairytale. Last time I checked Genesis is where the boundaries are listed, right?It is a position being argued by Hollie.My point is that if your own people believe it is a fairytale then the foundation for the belief that these are your ancient lands is built upon a fairytale and you have no valid claim.I agree that the creation of Israel was based upon biblical claims. Do you agree?
I think the terms "biblical claims" and "fairytales" are weaponized against the Jewish people for the purpose of diminishing and rejecting their legitimate historical claims.
Yes, I understand your point very well. If Jews have nothing but "fairytales" then they have no claim to that land. As, I said, it is weaponization of terms and concepts for the explicit purpose of denying the Jewish people a claim to a homeland.
But in order to hold that weaponized opinion, one must entirely ignore or reject three thousand years of factual, recorded, evident history of the Jewish people in their homeland.
It's a ridiculous position to hold.
Unlikely in the extreme that Hollie is arguing against the rights of the Jewish people to their own homeland.
She calls Genesis a fairytale. Last time I checked Genesis is where the boundaries are listed, right?It is a position being argued by Hollie.My point is that if your own people believe it is a fairytale then the foundation for the belief that these are your ancient lands is built upon a fairytale and you have no valid claim.I think the terms "biblical claims" and "fairytales" are weaponized against the Jewish people for the purpose of diminishing and rejecting their legitimate historical claims.
Yes, I understand your point very well. If Jews have nothing but "fairytales" then they have no claim to that land. As, I said, it is weaponization of terms and concepts for the explicit purpose of denying the Jewish people a claim to a homeland.
But in order to hold that weaponized opinion, one must entirely ignore or reject three thousand years of factual, recorded, evident history of the Jewish people in their homeland.
It's a ridiculous position to hold.
Unlikely in the extreme that Hollie is arguing against the rights of the Jewish people to their own homeland.
Last time I checked Genesis is where the boundaries are listed, right?
She calls Genesis a fairytale.
Last time I checked Genesis is where the boundaries are listed, right?
The boundaries are listed in the legal documents of the time. No mention whatsoever in those documents about Genesis or any other religious text to my knowledge.
How do you think the boundaries of sovereign nations based on the self-determination of peoples should be established, if not through agreements, treaties and legal documents?
Then she is a liar.She calls Genesis a fairytale.
No, I don't believe she did. She confirms that she did not.
However, even if she did, her personal religious beliefs have no bearing whatsoever on the historical and legal claim of the Jewish people to their homeland.
Then she is a liar.She calls Genesis a fairytale.
No, I don't believe she did. She confirms that she did not.
However, even if she did, her personal religious beliefs have no bearing whatsoever on the historical and legal claim of the Jewish people to their homeland.
No taking snakes? Which edited / revised bibles are you worshipping?
Have you ever read the Ark tale?
The Torah, Hollie.
But it is interesting that you accept the boundary for Israel described in Genesis as the basis for the nation of Israel.
Your beliefs are contradictory.
Rather telling that you use "..... it's allegorical" to sidestep the rather glaring inconsistencies in your new-fangled bibles.
There are no inconsistencies in the Torah.
The allegorical account of the fall of man captures the truth that man is unique in the creation of space and time. A new thing.
They knew 6000 years ago what you never knew or understood; that the significance of man and the differences which distinguishes us from every other creature tells us that there is a universal truth which exists independent of man.
You forgot that “... it’s allegorical” refutes your all-knowing, all-seeing Bibles. “They” wrote the Bible’s in allegorical terms. Did you forget what you wrote?
The account of creation in Genesis is a contradictory mess.
Still waiting for the exact quote you falsely attributed.
View attachment 239271Still waiting for the exact quote you falsely attributed.
You asked for the exact quotes and I provided the exact quotes. Then you asked that they be deleted.View attachment 239271Still waiting for the exact quote you falsely attributed.
You're simply spamming the thread with out of context cutting and pasting.
Obviously, you falsely attributed something to me.
