Pastor at Obama’s Easter Church Service: ‘Captains of the Religious Right’ Want Black

Nixon's strategy did not target the racists and the racists didn't leave the party of slavery for the party of Lincoln.

And I think Nixon's record is testimony of the good he did for blacks, or tried to do. Reagan had a better record then Obama. Bush was and is loved in Africa. How perception is ever going to change I am not sure. I have always maintained that blacks are not stupid. I always thought they have to know they are being lied to. But when you think about it what choice have they been offered by the democrats? They have been fed gloom and doom if they leave the party. When in fact the Republican party has done nothing to harm them and everything to help them. So guys like this pastor has to make up lies, as he clearly has done.

bullshit

Africa? How does helping people in Africa because of religious beliefs, help American Blacks?

The GOP ::::::::::::::::::::::;

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Double BS. The implication of the pastor was the the right didn't like blacks. Certainly if that were the case then Bush wasn't gonna help them in Africa, he would have no reason to, they don't vote. Not that the left will ever give anyone credit for anything other then their own party.

The educating of you people on the Nixon Southern Strategy gets pretty damn tireing. Here is an article from one who should know.

The Neocons and Nixon's southern strategy

The Dixiecrats did not become Republicans, after their failed Presidential attempt they went right back home to the Democrat Party.

Here, you can also read this:

The Southern Strategy

This bias is evident also in how differently they treat the long Democratic dominance of the South. Carter and the Black brothers suggest that the accommodation of white racism penetrates to the very soul of modern conservatism. But earlier generations of openly segregationist Southerners voted overwhelmingly for Woodrow Wilson's and Franklin Roosevelt's Democratic Party, which relaxed its civil rights stances accordingly. This coalition passed much of the New Deal legislation that remains the basis of modern liberalism. So what does the segregationist presence imply for the character of liberalism at its electoral and legislative apogee? These scholars sidestep the question by simply not discussing it. This silence implies that racism and liberalism were simply strange political bedfellows, without any common values.

But the commonality, the philosophical link, is swiftly identified once the Democrats leave the stage. In study after study, authors say that "racial and economic conservatism" married white Southerners to the GOP after 1964. So whereas historically accidental events must have led racists to vote for good men like FDR, after 1964 racists voted their conscience. How convenient. And how easy it would be for, say, a libertarian conservative like Walter Williams to generate a counter-narrative that exposes statism as the philosophical link between segregation and liberalism's economic populism.

Yet liberal commentators commit a further, even more obvious, analytic error. They assume that if many former Wallace voters ended up voting Republican in the 1970s and beyond, it had to be because Republicans went to the segregationist mountain, rather than the mountain coming to them. There are two reasons to question this assumption. The first is the logic of electoral competition. Extremist voters usually have little choice but to vote for a major party which they consider at best the lesser of two evils, one that offers them little of what they truly desire. Segregationists were in this position after 1968, when Wallace won less than 9% of the electoral college and Nixon became president anyway, without their votes. Segregationists simply had very limited national bargaining power. In the end, not the Deep South but the GOP was the mountain.

Second, this was borne out in how little the GOP had to "offer," so to speak, segregationists for their support after 1968, even according to the myth's own terms. Segregationists wanted policies that privileged whites. In the GOP, they had to settle for relatively race-neutral policies: opposition to forced busing and reluctant coexistence with affirmative action. The reason these policies aren't plausible codes for real racism is that they aren't the equivalents of discrimination, much less of segregation.

Why did segregationists settle for these policies rather than continue to vote Democratic? The GOP's appeal was mightily aided by none other than the Democratic Party itself, which was lurching leftward in the 1970s, becoming, as the contemporary phrase had it, the party of "acid, amnesty, and abortion." Among other things, the Democrats absorbed a civil rights movement that was itself expanding, and thus diluting, its agenda to include economic redistributionism, opposition to the Vietnam War, and Black Power. The many enthusiasms of the new Democratic Party drove away suburban middle-class voters almost everywhere in the country, not least the South.

Given that trend, the GOP did not need to become the party of white solidarity in order to attract more voters. The fact that many former Wallace supporters ended up voting Republican says a lot less about the GOP than it does about segregationists' collapsing political alternatives. Kevin Phillips was hardly coy about this in his Emerging Republican Majority. He wrote in 1969 that Nixon did not "have to bid much ideologically" to get Wallace's electorate, given its limited power, and that moderation was far more promising for the GOP than anything even approaching a racialist strategy. While "the Republican Party cannot go to the Deep South"—meaning the GOP simply would not offer the policies that whites there seemed to desire most—"the Deep South must soon go to the national GOP," regardless.

The Claremont Institute - The Myth of the Racist Republicans

If you are more visual try this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ&sns=em]Examining Black Loyalty to Democrats - YouTube[/ame]
 
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If he sat silent in the pew while this nonsense was being spouted then fuck him. I don't goto church anymore because it's all business.

politics forum?

This thread belongs in the Rubber Room

No one cares Dante. You're just the class clown of usmb.

And you're gonna have to show your pretend mod badge from now on when you whine

:eusa_whistle:
 
Nixon's strategy did not target the racists and the racists didn't leave the party of slavery for the party of Lincoln.

And I think Nixon's record is testimony of the good he did for blacks, or tried to do. Reagan had a better record then Obama. Bush was and is loved in Africa. How perception is ever going to change I am not sure. I have always maintained that blacks are not stupid. I always thought they have to know they are being lied to. But when you think about it what choice have they been offered by the democrats? They have been fed gloom and doom if they leave the party. When in fact the Republican party has done nothing to harm them and everything to help them. So guys like this pastor has to make up lies, as he clearly has done.

bullshit

Africa? How does helping people in Africa because of religious beliefs, help American Blacks?

The GOP ::::::::::::::::::::::;

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Double BS. The implication of the pastor was the the right didn't like blacks. Certainly if that were the case then Bush wasn't gonna help them in Africa, he would have no reason to, they don't vote. Not that the left will ever give anyone credit for anything other then their own party.

The educating of you people on the Nixon Southern Strategy gets pretty damn tireing. Here is an article from one who should know.

The Neocons and Nixon's southern strategy

The Dixiecrats did not become Republicans, after their failed Presidential attempt they went right back home to the Democrat Party.

Here, you can also read this:

The Southern Strategy
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no thanks on the reading of bs

Bush funded AIDS programs in Africa because of religious reasons, not because he loved black Africans. :lol:

Neocons were different than the new right of the 1970s. The New Right did not like or trust the Neocons or the old Cons of the GOP. What they did was come to an agreement on how to win that included the Southern strategy and a strategy of using divisive Social Issues...mix this with the deregulators and fiscal conservatives and you have the modern GOP (1980s forward).

You haven't a clue what you are writing about and your links are all bullshit
 
There are deep-seated reasons as to why people feel that way about the Republican party. It's their job to figure out why and to deal with it.

Whose job? Who gives a f...? There is no help for those people. I certainly am not going to defend anyone against outright lies nor do I feel obligated to know why they lie.

Except I do know why. Because their side is so f...ed up they have to try and make the other side look worse, as they did Romney.

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I think the "we might be to blame" slice of the pie is much too big. I don't recall a conservative ever admitting being wrong or accepting responsibility for anything going badly.
 
There are deep-seated reasons as to why people feel that way about the Republican party. It's their job to figure out why and to deal with it.

Whose job? Who gives a f...? There is no help for those people. I certainly am not going to defend anyone against outright lies nor do I feel obligated to know why they lie.

Except I do know why. Because their side is so f...ed up they have to try and make the other side look worse, as they did Romney.

So, you don't think the Republicans should take the time to figure out why they have this negative rep among women, minorities and the young? Just screw 'em?
 
Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "******, ******, ******." By 1968 you can't say "******" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "******, ******."

Recent comments on Southernization and Southern strategy

Some commentators considered the decisive victory of Democratic Senator Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential election and subsequent re-election in 2012 to represent the decline of Southernization in national politics:

"The region’s absence from Mr. Obama’s winning formula means it's becoming distinctly less important,' said Wayne Parent, a political scientist at Louisiana State University."[40]

“I think that [Southernization]’s absolutely over,” said Thomas Schaller, a political scientist at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, who argued prophetically that the Democrats could win national elections without the South. He noted that the Republicans had become "a Southernized party."[40]

Merle Black, an expert on the region’s politics at Emory University in Atlanta, said the Republican Party went too far in appealing to the South, alienating voters elsewhere."[40]

Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman acknowledged the Southern strategy in 2005, formally apologizing to the NAACP for ignoring the black vote in the previous century.
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truth hurts
 
Sounds like this "church" needs its tax exempt status checked. Having a liar as a pastor sure doesn't surpise me that Obama would attend. Considering the one he listened to for 20 years. G...Damn America!!!!!!!

Pastor at Obama?s Easter Church Service: ?Captains of the Religious Right? Want Blacks ?in the Back of the Bus,? Women ?Back in the Kitchen? | TheBlaze.com

The pastor at the Washington, D.C. church where the Obama family celebrated Easter on Sunday said members of the religious right want blacks “in the back of the bus,” women “back in the kitchen” and immigrants “back on their side of the border.”

“It drives me crazy when the captains of the religious right are always calling us back…for blacks to be back in the back of the bus…for women to be back in the kitchen…for immigrants to be back on their side of the border,” Rev. Dr. Luis Leon said in his sermon, according to the White House press pool report.

Obama feels comfortable listening to this garbage.

Imagine a KKK member as President.

Same thing.
 
They won't answer direct questions or address post that make them feel uncomfortable, just consider who you're dealing with and move on. Most libs can't get past the talking points that the party feeds them.

Actually the question was answered twice: in November 2008 and again in November 2012.

That the partisan right refuses to accept those answers is their problem.

November 2010.

Nice try.

You folks gonna sit on that forever, ain'tcha? :lol:
 
He is a liar. Name where one "Captain" of the religious right wants black to move to the back of the bus. Just that one lie, defend it.

A have no idea if anyone is "unduly" profiled. See that is how liberal lies work. The pastor says something outlandish as if it were true. No one is asking anyone to go to the back of the bus. No one is putting "y'all back in chains" as did the democrat party. No one expects anything out of people except to obey the law and one of those laws is illegal immigration. Which is stealing jobs from Americans. Jobs Americans could do. Jobs that might alleviate the over 15 percent black unemployment rate. What I don't understand is how the liberal left can defend violating the law yet try and make it sound as if that is a virtue. To them I guess it is.

So easy, what "captain" of the religious right wants blacks to move to the back of the bus?


Wonderful video, exposing the right wing christians from within, thanks.

"Goddamn it, John ... the Republicans are selling their soul to win elections ... Mark my word ... if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem." -- Barry Goldwater as told to John Dean


There is a surprise. Leftists bring a video to show how crazy the right is (and defend the baseless claims that have been leveled at the right) but the video is actually a leftist idiot plugging his book calling the right nuts.

Really, nothing factual in this thread at all. NOTHING.

Date is right, move this pile to the rubber room.
 
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Ahem:

St. John’s Episcopal Church

gawd, some of you people are dense

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Citing the words of Jesus, Leon said, “You cannot go back.”

The president, first lady Michelle Obama and daughters Sasha and Malia all attended the service at St. John’s Episcopal Church, located across the street from the White House. Known as “The Church of the Presidents,” St. John’s boasts having hosted every president for services since 1816 and has a dedicated pew for the commander in chief.
 
Wonderful video, exposing the right wing christians from within, thanks.

"Goddamn it, John ... the Republicans are selling their soul to win elections ... Mark my word ... if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem." -- Barry Goldwater as told to John Dean

There is a surprise. Leftists bring a video to show how crazy the right is (and defend the baseless claims that have been leveled at the right) but the video is actually a leftist idiot plugging his book calling the right nuts.

Really, nothing factual in this thread at all. NOTHING.

Date is right, move this pile to the rubber room.

The thread has been highjacked from what the pastor said.
 
There are deep-seated reasons as to why people feel that way about the Republican party. It's their job to figure out why and to deal with it.

Whose job? Who gives a f...? There is no help for those people. I certainly am not going to defend anyone against outright lies nor do I feel obligated to know why they lie.

Except I do know why. Because their side is so f...ed up they have to try and make the other side look worse, as they did Romney.

So, you don't think the Republicans should take the time to figure out why they have this negative rep among women, minorities and the young? Just screw 'em?

No way to do that, we'll just wait until they come back to their senses.
 
Whose job? Who gives a f...? There is no help for those people. I certainly am not going to defend anyone against outright lies nor do I feel obligated to know why they lie.

Except I do know why. Because their side is so f...ed up they have to try and make the other side look worse, as they did Romney.

So, you don't think the Republicans should take the time to figure out why they have this negative rep among women, minorities and the young? Just screw 'em?

No way to do that, we'll just wait until they come back to their senses.

Funny. That's what we are saying about you guys. :lol:
 
How Liberal Argue

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGwtG8nVpUU&feature=endscreen&NR=1]How Liberals Argue - YouTube[/ame]
 
They won't answer direct questions or address post that make them feel uncomfortable, just consider who you're dealing with and move on. Most libs can't get past the talking points that the party feeds them.

Actually the question was answered twice: in November 2008 and again in November 2012.

That the partisan right refuses to accept those answers is their problem.

November 2010.

Nice try.
That would be the November 2010 when the GOP failed to take the Senate, where republican and TPM candidates were rejected in several state-wide elections, including failed gubernatorial candidacies in New York and California – that November 2010?
 

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