Pocahontas Now Denies Indian Heritage

[Meathead]

There are literally millions of white and black Americans who are 1/64 of another race. So, it I have 1/64 minority can I get AA points?

 

[sealybobo]

Stop lying. The test showed she has Native American blood in her heritage.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

No it didn't...it showed she had a small amount of Mexican or Columbian heritage.......you guys really don't worry about facts do you?

Show us this.

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Warren did get tested and the results did find Native American ancestry. We asked four experts to review her report and they all found it credible.

"the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range of 6-10 generations ago."

In years, that would be anytime from 150 to 250 years ago, perhaps as far back as 1700.

We asked several top biological anthropologists to assess Bustamante’s methods. They all said they are sound.

"I have read the DNA test report closely, and think that the analysis described therein was conducted properly," said Theodore Schurr at the University of Pennsylvania.

"These are among the most robust methods today," said Deborah Bolnick at the University of Connecticut and past president of the American Association of Anthropological Genetics.

Bustamante found five DNA segments that he could say with 99 percent certainty were of Native American origin.

"Native Americans arose as a distinct population in Siberia some 17,000 to 23,000 years ago and then spread into the Americas around 16,000 years ago," Schurr said. "Indigenous populations share a common genomic make-up."

After six to 10 generations, that DNA would be very dilute, which was consistent with Bustamante’s finding that 95 percent of Warren’s DNA was European.

Researchers told us the test results fit with Warren’s account of her Native American ties. Warren has said that she was told her great-great-great-grandmother was Cherokee.

That doesn’t mean the woman was pure Cherokee. Counting back the generations, that woman would have been born roughly in the middle of the 1800s.

"There are not genetic markers that are specific to tribal nations," Bolnick said. "The genetic patterns don’t map on to tribal groups that we recognize today."

According to Schurr, the most that can safely be said is that Warren’s test results "may reflect a genetic contribution from a tribe living in what is now the United States."

The DNA test can’t prove every part of Warren’s family story, but the researchers we reached said it is consistent with her account.

Warren's DNA test: What it can and can't tell us

Ok, so at best she's 1/64th of something......point is she has no right to claim that heritage. She proved that.....I mean if we can claim that, then there is no need for identity politics......

She thought she had some indian in her family history so in 1980 she checked a box saying Native American.

Trump got out of Viet Nam because of bone spurs. You know he didn't have bone spurs. He should take a test.

Also a lie detector test. Fuck a DNA test.

Trump also said he was healthy, not obese, 239 and 6'3. That's a lie. Why even bother giving presidential candidates a physical if they can just lie?

 

[sealybobo]

There are literally millions of white and black Americans who are 1/64 of another race. So, it I have 1/64 minority can I get AA points?

Then you have native American ancestry. Just don't try to get a scholarship.

 

[Meathead]

Trump lied? Maybe you are also from the moonbatfeather tribe to? You are way to emotional over this.

Trump said Warren was not of Native American ancestry. A lie.

She isn't. so someone with 1/1024 black in them can apply for affirmative action and black scholarships? Is that what you're saying?

If she has a native american ancestor, she didn't lie. She didn't say anything about applying for scholarships or affirmative action. Harvard tried to put her down as a diversity hire because she checked the box. She was already hired. And she is 1/64th. You're picking the far end of the spectrum. She may be 1/64th. Why don't you quote that number?

There was a Greek at Custer's Last Stand. Surrounded be Indians, he was grabbed by one and as he lifted his tomahawk, the Greek cried "Manoula mou, manoula mou!", to which the Indian said,

"Ah, eisai Ellinas;!"

I don't doubt you're too stupid to get it.

I don't get it. Stupid Greeks.

From now on people should not say Greeks fight like hero's. It should be said that hero's fight like Greeks.

That was Hitler's quote, but you were too stupid to get the original point. You are not very bright, or perhaps I expect too much of those with Greek genes. Perhaps living in Detroit has something to do with it.

 

[Meathead]

There are literally millions of white and black Americans who are 1/64 of another race. So, it I have 1/64 minority can I get AA points?

Then you have native American ancestry. Just don't try to get a scholarship.

So, if I'm half East-Asian and half black African and therefore smartest and stupidest, where do I stand in AA?

 

[RealDave]

There are literally millions of white and black Americans who are 1/64 of another race. So, it I have 1/64 minority can I get AA points?

You can get AA because of your low IQ.

 

[RealDave]

There are literally millions of white and black Americans who are 1/64 of another race. So, it I have 1/64 minority can I get AA points?

Jesus fuck you are a fucking idiot. To quality in anything to be of a certain race, there are standards & guidelines.

Get a fucking education.

 

[RealDave]

Lets look at the sniper fire.
1) It as just an amusing story told for laughs.
2) It was not done to dupe people or lie about others
3) They actually landed under the threat of sniper fire.
4) You had to go back ten years for your lie. Trump lies every fucking day & you don't care,.

Trump lied about Warren in order to destroy her political career.

Even a Trump scrotum licking Piece of shit like you should see the difference.

Trump lied? Maybe you are also from the moonbatfeather tribe to? You are way to emotional over this.

Trump said Warren was not of Native American ancestry. A lie.

She isn't. so someone with 1/1024 black in them can apply for affirmative action and black scholarships? Is that what you're saying?

If she has a native american ancestor, she didn't lie. She didn't say anything about applying for scholarships or affirmative action. Harvard tried to put her down as a diversity hire because she checked the box. She was already hired. And she is 1/64th. You're picking the far end of the spectrum. She may be 1/64th. Why don't you quote that number?

Ok, lets go with 1/64th, the best possible scenarios for her being Mexican. How does that giver her the right to call herself that?
and 1/64th now allows you to claim that you are a certain heritage....lefties aren't known for being honest or consistent, so lets see if we can nail this one down.

He compared the DNA to indigenous people in SA & CAwhich is similar to that of the US.

I find it funnier than shit that you think you know more than the experts. The really sad part is you are too stupid to know how stupid you are.,

 

[RealDave]

You are such a fucking idiot. So if you profess be have italian & Irish ancestry that means your mom was fucked by both a Irish,an & a Italian guy & somehow their sperm intermixed & fertilized the egg at the same time?

And My Misogynist piece of shit, just because Waaren is not as bloviating asshole does not mean she is weak.

She is weak, she's a moron.
You treat it like 1/1024 is full blood...it's not, it's a joke, just like you lefties.

Now that 1/1024 is the same as full blood, we can now get all the benefits of a minority.....so we get affirmative action too!!!

Why are you so hung up on 'blood'? Something you need to tell the group?
And diga me Tonto, exactly what ass are y'all pulling this fraction `1/1024' from?

Uh we're hung up on blood, because Warren took a blood test to "prove" her claim. And the 1/1024 is the likely hood of her blood and that's for Hispanic blood, not even native American blood.....it's hilarious

Stop lying. The test showed she has Native American blood in her heritage.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

Love it! Let's keep this Pocahontas thread alive. I don't care if she's toast.

Since Warren proved her ancestry, you calling her Pocahontas makes you a bigot.

 

[Cecilie1200]

But what about her mom who was the product of two different injun tribes? What would PeePaw say? What a stupid twat Warren is. First off, she is weak. Look how little the Donald has to do to get that idiot to bite. Not only bite, but double and triple down on the lie. Had she just said all this same shit months ago this never would have made a news cycle.

You are such a fucking idiot. So if you profess be have italian & Irish ancestry that means your mom was fucked by both a Irish,an & a Italian guy & somehow their sperm intermixed & fertilized the egg at the same time?

And My Misogynist piece of shit, just because Waaren is not as bloviating asshole does not mean she is weak.

She is weak, she's a moron.
You treat it like 1/1024 is full blood...it's not, it's a joke, just like you lefties.

Now that 1/1024 is the same as full blood, we can now get all the benefits of a minority.....so we get affirmative action too!!!

Why are you so hung up on 'blood'? Something you need to tell the group?
And diga me Tonto, exactly what ass are y'all pulling this fraction `1/1024' from?

Uh we're hung up on blood, because Warren took a blood test to "prove" her claim. And the 1/1024 is the likely hood of her blood and that's for Hispanic blood, not even native American blood.....it's hilarious

Stop lying. The test showed she has Native American blood in her heritage.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

Stop lying. The test showed that she's less Native American than virtually any white person in the United States, and DEFINITELY proves that her going around telling everyone she was Native American was so much warmed-over bullshit.

There's no number of times you can try to pretend that she claimed she was 1/1024th Native American which will make it true.

 

[Crixus]

Trump lied? Maybe you are also from the moonbatfeather tribe to? You are way to emotional over this.

Trump said Warren was not of Native American ancestry. A lie.

She isn't. so someone with 1/1024 black in them can apply for affirmative action and black scholarships? Is that what you're saying?

If she has a native american ancestor, she didn't lie. She didn't say anything about applying for scholarships or affirmative action. Harvard tried to put her down as a diversity hire because she checked the box. She was already hired. And she is 1/64th. You're picking the far end of the spectrum. She may be 1/64th. Why don't you quote that number?

Ok, lets go with 1/64th, the best possible scenarios for her being Mexican. How does that giver her the right to call herself that?
and 1/64th now allows you to claim that you are a certain heritage....lefties aren't known for being honest or consistent, so lets see if we can nail this one down.

He compared the DNA to indigenous people in SA & CAwhich is similar to that of the US.

I find it funnier than shit that you think you know more than the experts. The really sad part is you are too stupid to know how stupid you are.,

Experts you say? First off, the experts said this is a dead issue with the liar (Lizzy Warren) is dead. So last week. Also, experts have said she ain’t an Indian. Especially experts who so far, only one alleged expert supports her claim. Jury is already out. The bitch lied. Deal with it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Sniper fire is way worse.....but when did Trump lie about his birthplace. Obama produced the documentation (years after he ran) and Trump let it go....it's you tards on the left that bring that shit up. Trump never lied about it.....he made Obama prove it...which he did......move along!

pst, got any other lies?

LOLOL

Oh what is worse about lying about dodging sniper fire than lying about the sitting president’s birthplace?

And of course he lied about it .... for 5 years, until just before the 2016 election when he finally admitted that Obama really was born in Hawaii.

No he didn't, Obama has said he was born in Kenya....you act like people had no right to question it...they did....he produced the proof, then people went away.....duh!
And yes saying you were under sniper fire is a much worse lie than saying where a President was born.

LYING FUCK.

Obama never said he was born in Kenya.

So why was he touted as being born in Kenya for his book tour?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/promotional-booklet/

Because the editor goofed on her fact checking.

You GOPers never learn, do ya? This is old news and you still haven’t learned.

You leftists never learn, do you? Saying "Who are you going to believe, my spin or your own lying eyes" 20 times and then declaring it "old news" just paints you as the same sort of liar Elizabeth Warren is. It does NOT convince people to believe your spin or to trust you.

But hey, you have my permission to run next month on "Look, we spun it so now it's okay" all you like. Please, PLEASE do. Explain to the American people how they didn't really hear Warren say what they think they heard her say until your face turns blue. I'm SURE it will work out just fine for you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

She is weak, she's a moron.
You treat it like 1/1024 is full blood...it's not, it's a joke, just like you lefties.

Now that 1/1024 is the same as full blood, we can now get all the benefits of a minority.....so we get affirmative action too!!!

Why are you so hung up on 'blood'? Something you need to tell the group?
And diga me Tonto, exactly what ass are y'all pulling this fraction `1/1024' from?

Uh we're hung up on blood, because Warren took a blood test to "prove" her claim. And the 1/1024 is the likely hood of her blood and that's for Hispanic blood, not even native American blood.....it's hilarious

Stop lying. The test showed she has Native American blood in her heritage.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

No it didn't...it showed she had a small amount of Mexican or Columbian heritage.......you guys really don't worry about facts do you?

Fuck you, ya lying con.

Results from the test...

https://mk0elizabethwarh5ore.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Bustamante_Report_2018.pdf

The largest segment identified as having Native American ancestry is on chromosome 10. This segment is 13.4 centiMorgans in genetic length, and spans approximately 4,700,000 DNA bases. Based on a principal components analysis (Novembre et al., 2008), this segment is clearly distinct from segments of European ancestry (nominal p-value 7.4 x 10-7, corrected p-value of 2.6 x 10-4) and is strongly associated with Native American ancestry.​

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

From your own link:

For Native American references, we used samples within the 1000 Genomes project of Native American ancestry; these samples come from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia. (It is not possible to use Native American reference sequences from inside the United States, since Native American groups within the US have not chosen to participate in recent population genetics studies.)

Like I always say, not lying isn't even an option for leftists at all.

 

[Cecilie1200]

She is weak, she's a moron.
You treat it like 1/1024 is full blood...it's not, it's a joke, just like you lefties.

Now that 1/1024 is the same as full blood, we can now get all the benefits of a minority.....so we get affirmative action too!!!

Why are you so hung up on 'blood'? Something you need to tell the group?
And diga me Tonto, exactly what ass are y'all pulling this fraction `1/1024' from?

Uh we're hung up on blood, because Warren took a blood test to "prove" her claim. And the 1/1024 is the likely hood of her blood and that's for Hispanic blood, not even native American blood.....it's hilarious

Stop lying. The test showed she has Native American blood in her heritage.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

Love it! Let's keep this Pocahontas thread alive. I don't care if she's toast.

Since Warren proved her ancestry, you calling her Pocahontas makes you a bigot.

Since Warren proved that her ancestry is white, calling her Pocahontas points out that she's a liar.

 

[Faun]

Warren may likly been hired if there was no affirmative action. We won't know. She claimed the status in order to cement herself in. Harvard isn't going to get an unqualified instructor. If they had got a real affirmative action hire that hire would have been triple sharp. She got the seat of someone equally qualified minority. Warren is a racist thief.

These affirmative action are never supposed to go to someone unqualified. Affirmative action means you get people who have been disadvantaged. She stole this from someone who deserved it.

Lying fuck. Warren never identified her ancestry in applying anywhere.

She identified at both penn and Harvard. If you are going to lie till you are blue in the face I can't help you.

Having debates on a forum like this supposes that both sides are going to tell the truth as to facts, as much as the differ in interpetation. She identified as indian at Penn and as a non tenured prof at Harvard. She dropped it once she achieved tenure. that is immutable. She can say it was not part of the hiring process. well,about that we will never know for sure.

Your lying like this makes you just a person I can safely ignore.

She called herself indian on official documents at both instatutions at times it would have served her well. The documents are there. Saying they aren't demolloises your character, it doesn't change the facts on the ground

No, she did not. The official documents we know of show she listed "white" under ethnicity and checked "No" when asked if she wanted to apply for minority consideration.

So you're directly contradicting known facts, apparently because you can't handle them.

Go ahead and try to show the class these "official documents" you claim exist.

So then how did Harvard have her listed as Native American?

She could have told colleagues of her Native American heritage and then the school listed her as one to promote diversity. That doesn’t mean she used that to get the job nor does it mean that was known to Harvard before she got the job.

And regardless, who hasn’t embellished their resume to get a job??

 

[Faun]

Why are you so hung up on 'blood'? Something you need to tell the group?
And diga me Tonto, exactly what ass are y'all pulling this fraction `1/1024' from?

Uh we're hung up on blood, because Warren took a blood test to "prove" her claim. And the 1/1024 is the likely hood of her blood and that's for Hispanic blood, not even native American blood.....it's hilarious

Stop lying. The test showed she has Native American blood in her heritage.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

No it didn't...it showed she had a small amount of Mexican or Columbian heritage.......you guys really don't worry about facts do you?

Fuck you, ya lying con.

Results from the test...

https://mk0elizabethwarh5ore.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Bustamante_Report_2018.pdf

The largest segment identified as having Native American ancestry is on chromosome 10. This segment is 13.4 centiMorgans in genetic length, and spans approximately 4,700,000 DNA bases. Based on a principal components analysis (Novembre et al., 2008), this segment is clearly distinct from segments of European ancestry (nominal p-value 7.4 x 10-7, corrected p-value of 2.6 x 10-4) and is strongly associated with Native American ancestry.​

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

What Does Elizabeth Warren's DNA Test Prove? - The Atlantic

Geneticists, however, have historically had a fraught relationship with American Indian tribes, and few members in North America have given samples for these databases. Instead, Bustamante compared Warren’s DNA with that of indigenous peoples in Mexico, Colombia, and Peru. Critics of Warren have already seized on this to question the validity of her DNA test—ironically, mirroring some of the skepticism of those who have been criticizing Republicans’ insistence that Warren get a DNA test all along.

Dumbfuck...

a) I quoted for you directly from the actual report. I didn’t need to link an article about it. You idiotically claimed her test reveals she’s not of Native American ancestry and I proved, from her actual test results, that she is.

b) the countries of Mexico, Columbia and Peru are in Americas, also called America, ya ignorant bitch.

c) while the term, “Native American,” often refers to the indigenous people of present day U.S. and Canada, it’s not exclusive to that region; and can include any of the aborginal peoples of the Western hemisphere.

d) while Warren recalled family stories of being descended from Cherokee and Delaware, her test results could neither confirm nor refute those specific tribes since Native Americans from inside the U.S. don’t subscribe or contribute to such DNA testing.

You’re welcome for this education.

 

[Faun]

Lets look at the sniper fire.
1) It as just an amusing story told for laughs.
2) It was not done to dupe people or lie about others
3) They actually landed under the threat of sniper fire.
4) You had to go back ten years for your lie. Trump lies every fucking day & you don't care,.

Trump lied about Warren in order to destroy her political career.

Even a Trump scrotum licking Piece of shit like you should see the difference.

Trump lied? Maybe you are also from the moonbatfeather tribe to? You are way to emotional over this.

Trump said Warren was not of Native American ancestry. A lie.

She isn't. so someone with 1/1024 black in them can apply for affirmative action and black scholarships? Is that what you're saying?

If she has a native american ancestor, she didn't lie. She didn't say anything about applying for scholarships or affirmative action. Harvard tried to put her down as a diversity hire because she checked the box. She was already hired. And she is 1/64th. You're picking the far end of the spectrum. She may be 1/64th. Why don't you quote that number?

Ok, lets go with 1/64th, the best possible scenarios for her being Mexican. How does that giver her the right to call herself that?
and 1/64th now allows you to claim that you are a certain heritage....lefties aren't known for being honest or consistent, so lets see if we can nail this one down.

She never called herself anything other than being of Native American heritage. You freaks did. She always said her ancestor, 5 generations back, was Cherokee.

 

[Faun]

You are such a fucking idiot. So if you profess be have italian & Irish ancestry that means your mom was fucked by both a Irish,an & a Italian guy & somehow their sperm intermixed & fertilized the egg at the same time?

And My Misogynist piece of shit, just because Waaren is not as bloviating asshole does not mean she is weak.

She is weak, she's a moron.
You treat it like 1/1024 is full blood...it's not, it's a joke, just like you lefties.

Now that 1/1024 is the same as full blood, we can now get all the benefits of a minority.....so we get affirmative action too!!!

Why are you so hung up on 'blood'? Something you need to tell the group?
And diga me Tonto, exactly what ass are y'all pulling this fraction `1/1024' from?

Uh we're hung up on blood, because Warren took a blood test to "prove" her claim. And the 1/1024 is the likely hood of her blood and that's for Hispanic blood, not even native American blood.....it's hilarious

Stop lying. The test showed she has Native American blood in her heritage.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

Stop lying. The test showed that she's less Native American than virtually any white person in the United States, and DEFINITELY proves that her going around telling everyone she was Native American was so much warmed-over bullshit.

There's no number of times you can try to pretend that she claimed she was 1/1024th Native American which will make it true.

Fuck you too, ya lyin’ con.

The average is about 0.18%. Her Native American ancestry was placed likely between 6 and 10 generations before her. Only at 10 generations back does she possess less heritage than the average white person; and given there were 4 other generations which were also “likely” possibilities, combined with her family stories, 10 generations back is the least likely of the range. So no, the test does not show she has less Native American heritage than the average white person.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing to say.

 

[Faun]

LOLOL

Oh what is worse about lying about dodging sniper fire than lying about the sitting president’s birthplace?

And of course he lied about it .... for 5 years, until just before the 2016 election when he finally admitted that Obama really was born in Hawaii.

No he didn't, Obama has said he was born in Kenya....you act like people had no right to question it...they did....he produced the proof, then people went away.....duh!
And yes saying you were under sniper fire is a much worse lie than saying where a President was born.

LYING FUCK.

Obama never said he was born in Kenya.

So why was he touted as being born in Kenya for his book tour?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/promotional-booklet/

Because the editor goofed on her fact checking.

You GOPers never learn, do ya? This is old news and you still haven’t learned.

You leftists never learn, do you? Saying "Who are you going to believe, my spin or your own lying eyes" 20 times and then declaring it "old news" just paints you as the same sort of liar Elizabeth Warren is. It does NOT convince people to believe your spin or to trust you.

But hey, you have my permission to run next month on "Look, we spun it so now it's okay" all you like. Please, PLEASE do. Explain to the American people how they didn't really hear Warren say what they think they heard her say until your face turns blue. I'm SURE it will work out just fine for you.

Do you ever think for yourself?

I tell a con to stop lying — you say to me, “stop lying.”

I say to a con, you GOPers never learn — you say to me, “you leftists never learn.”

Grow a fucking brain, will ya, con? (is that going to be your next insult you throw back?)

As far as Obama, I didn’t originate the claim he never told his publisher he was born in Kenya. So I’m not spinning anything. That comes from the editor of the pamphlet — and she knows infinitely better than you how “Kenya” ended up in that pamphlet and she claims it was her mistake; and that Obama never conveyed that to her.

Like I said, you goopers never learn. <smh>

 

[Faun]

Why are you so hung up on 'blood'? Something you need to tell the group?
And diga me Tonto, exactly what ass are y'all pulling this fraction `1/1024' from?

Uh we're hung up on blood, because Warren took a blood test to "prove" her claim. And the 1/1024 is the likely hood of her blood and that's for Hispanic blood, not even native American blood.....it's hilarious

Stop lying. The test showed she has Native American blood in her heritage.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

No it didn't...it showed she had a small amount of Mexican or Columbian heritage.......you guys really don't worry about facts do you?

Fuck you, ya lying con.

Results from the test...

https://mk0elizabethwarh5ore.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Bustamante_Report_2018.pdf

The largest segment identified as having Native American ancestry is on chromosome 10. This segment is 13.4 centiMorgans in genetic length, and spans approximately 4,700,000 DNA bases. Based on a principal components analysis (Novembre et al., 2008), this segment is clearly distinct from segments of European ancestry (nominal p-value 7.4 x 10-7, corrected p-value of 2.6 x 10-4) and is strongly associated with Native American ancestry.​

Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have nothing at all to post.

From your own link:

For Native American references, we used samples within the 1000 Genomes project of Native American ancestry; these samples come from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia. (It is not possible to use Native American reference sequences from inside the United States, since Native American groups within the US have not chosen to participate in recent population genetics studies.)

Like I always say, not lying isn't even an option for leftists at all.

Amazingly. You’re actually getting dumber.

Which of those countries do you think are not in Americas, also called America??