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Read the first hand accounts...Firsthand accounts released in Saylor's death - Police - Frederick News-Post
It sounds like they were too forceful to me.The caretaker, in a follow-up interview with an investigator, said she wasn't sure if Saylor was then forced to the ground or if he fell.
I hear Ethan screaming saying 'ouch,' 'don't touch me,' 'get off,' and crying, she wrote. Next thing I hear is nothing.
After Saylor went quiet, the deputies turned him on his side and he sounded like he was snoring, she wrote. They asked her to try to wake him, and the caregiver rubbed his stomach and said, Wake up, Ethan, according to the investigator's interview notes.
Sound like the guy was at least somewhat out of control.
In other words, this 300 pound 26 year old was violent and no longer responding to his caregiver. It didn't matter WHO spoke to him, or touched him...police, caregiver or anyone else, he was going to react violently. That was the message the caregiver was conveying as a warning to police for THEIR safety...not Saylor's.According to the portions of the incident report, as the caretaker and Saylor were walking to her car outside the theater, he became upset and punched a window at LensCrafters. The caregiver called Saylor's mother, Patti, who told her to wait him out, according to a detective's notes from an interview with the caretaker.
A second caretaker called a short while later and advised the woman with Saylor at the theater to get her car and bring it out front and that he would be more willing to get in.
Once it was determined he was out of his caregivers control and potentially violent...what could the cops do?Rochford responded to the theater and called to Jewell and Harris for assistance after being told Saylor would refuse to comply with commands and that he may become violent, according to Rochford's written report.
The three deputies grabbed Saylor by his arms and moved him from the seat to a standing position near the ramp, but he resisted.
The caretaker, in a follow-up interview with an investigator, said she wasn't sure if Saylor was then forced to the ground or if he fell.
They couldn't leave him there...even if he had a ticket, or his caregiver bought him a ticket.
They had no choice but to remove him.
If he resisted and fell, or if he resisted and they ALL fell...how is this the fault of the police?
It would be an accident.
I've often wondered that myself. The only difference between these thugs and common criminals on the street is that these guys get paid a lot of money by our government and the badge is their "get out of jail free" card. There is a gross shortage of conscience in that profession.That's right, and I'm sick and tired of cops protecting each other when they should be getting rid of the ones who do shit like this.The aide shouldn't have left him alone in the first place, and the cops should have waited until his aide came back, and listened to her, instead of charging in like they did.
As for the jury that didn't wish to have charges filed against these thugs, shame on them. How can they sleep at night?
There are effective ways of taking a grown man down without harming him. There is no need to body slam someone to the floor and cut off their air supply.
Have you ever seen an adult with Down Syndrome? Yes, they can sometimes be violent, but its because they get confused and may not understand what is going on. They get frustrated and don't know how to express their anger, which is why they might appear to be violent. They do NOT intend to harm you, which is what you don't understand.
Because asserting their fucking authority was more important than a man's life.It sounds like they were too forceful to me.
Sound like the guy was at least somewhat out of control.
In other words, this 300 pound 26 year old was violent and no longer responding to his caregiver. It didn't matter WHO spoke to him, or touched him...police, caregiver or anyone else, he was going to react violently. That was the message the caregiver was conveying as a warning to police for THEIR safety...not Saylor's.According to the portions of the incident report, as the caretaker and Saylor were walking to her car outside the theater, he became upset and punched a window at LensCrafters. The caregiver called Saylor's mother, Patti, who told her to wait him out, according to a detective's notes from an interview with the caretaker.
A second caretaker called a short while later and advised the woman with Saylor at the theater to get her car and bring it out front and that he would be more willing to get in.
Once it was determined he was out of his caregivers control and potentially violent...what could the cops do?Rochford responded to the theater and called to Jewell and Harris for assistance after being told Saylor would refuse to comply with commands and that he may become violent, according to Rochford's written report.
The three deputies grabbed Saylor by his arms and moved him from the seat to a standing position near the ramp, but he resisted.
The caretaker, in a follow-up interview with an investigator, said she wasn't sure if Saylor was then forced to the ground or if he fell.
They couldn't leave him there...even if he had a ticket, or his caregiver bought him a ticket.
They had no choice but to remove him.
If he resisted and fell, or if he resisted and they ALL fell...how is this the fault of the police?
It would be an accident.
He had down syndrome, and they were told he doesn't like to be touched.
I don't see what the emergency is, the health aid called his mother, why couldn't they have waited and had his mother come assist?
Police have said Saylor, who stood 5-foot-6 and weighed 294 pounds, yelled and cursed at the deputies after they confronted him for refusing to leave an auditorium where he had watched the movie, "Zero Dark Thirty." The autopsy report says one deputy then touched Saylor to remove him from the theater. When he resisted, the others joined in.
"In their effort, three deputies and Mr. Saylor all fell into a heap" in a side aisle of the auditorium, the report says.
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Folks have to learn not to let their emotions rule them.
It sounds like they were too forceful to me.
Sound like the guy was at least somewhat out of control.In other words, this 300 pound 26 year old was violent and no longer responding to his caregiver. It didn't matter WHO spoke to him, or touched him...police, caregiver or anyone else, he was going to react violently. That was the message the caregiver was conveying as a warning to police for THEIR safety...not Saylor's.According to the portions of the incident report, as the caretaker and Saylor were walking to her car outside the theater, he became upset and punched a window at LensCrafters. The caregiver called Saylor's mother, Patti, who told her to “wait him out,” according to a detective's notes from an interview with the caretaker.
A second caretaker called a short while later and advised the woman with Saylor at the theater to get her car and bring it out front and that he would be more willing to get in.
Once it was determined he was out of his caregivers control and potentially violent...what could the cops do?Rochford responded to the theater and called to Jewell and Harris for assistance after being told Saylor would “refuse to comply with commands and that he may become violent,” according to Rochford's written report.
The three deputies grabbed Saylor by his arms and moved him from the seat to a standing position near the ramp, but he resisted.
The caretaker, in a follow-up interview with an investigator, said she wasn't sure if Saylor was then forced to the ground or if he fell.
They couldn't leave him there...even if he had a ticket, or his caregiver bought him a ticket.
They had no choice but to remove him.
If he resisted and fell, or if he resisted and they ALL fell...how is this the fault of the police?
It would be an accident.
He had down syndrome, and they were told he doesn't like to be touched.
I don't see what the emergency is, the health aid called his mother, why couldn't they have waited and had his mother come assist?
Folks have to learn not to let their emotions rule them.
A person with Down Syndrome does not understand this concept.
And if another guy was intoxicated and violent, they could just wait for him to sober up.
And if a different guy was schizophrenic and violent, they could just wait for someone to bring them their meds.
Sound like the guy was at least somewhat out of control.In other words, this 300 pound 26 year old was violent and no longer responding to his caregiver. It didn't matter WHO spoke to him, or touched him...police, caregiver or anyone else, he was going to react violently. That was the message the caregiver was conveying as a warning to police for THEIR safety...not Saylor's.According to the portions of the incident report, as the caretaker and Saylor were walking to her car outside the theater, he became upset and punched a window at LensCrafters. The caregiver called Saylor's mother, Patti, who told her to wait him out, according to a detective's notes from an interview with the caretaker.
A second caretaker called a short while later and advised the woman with Saylor at the theater to get her car and bring it out front and that he would be more willing to get in.
Once it was determined he was out of his caregivers control and potentially violent...what could the cops do?Rochford responded to the theater and called to Jewell and Harris for assistance after being told Saylor would refuse to comply with commands and that he may become violent, according to Rochford's written report.
The three deputies grabbed Saylor by his arms and moved him from the seat to a standing position near the ramp, but he resisted.
The caretaker, in a follow-up interview with an investigator, said she wasn't sure if Saylor was then forced to the ground or if he fell.
They couldn't leave him there...even if he had a ticket, or his caregiver bought him a ticket.
They had no choice but to remove him.
If he resisted and fell, or if he resisted and they ALL fell...how is this the fault of the police?
It would be an accident.
He had down syndrome, and they were told he doesn't like to be touched.
I don't see what the emergency is, the health aid called his mother, why couldn't they have waited and had his mother come assist?
And if another guy was intoxicated and violent, they could just wait for him to sober up.
And if a different guy was schizophrenic and violent, they could just wait for someone to bring them their meds.
And so on and so on...
I doubt they thought there would be any harm...they would move Saylor to a safer, more controlled area, and the moviegoers who were waiting would not be inconvenienced.
It's not like police officers don't deal with violent individuals everyday.
I imagine the three of them believed they could control the guy, and they found out they couldn't...they fell while trying to control him.
It was an accident.
I can't even say it was bad judgement.
They should have backed off and let the caretaker handle him, but NOOOO!!!!! They had to assert their authority and teach this guy a lesson.
And if another guy was intoxicated and violent, they could just wait for him to sober up.
And if a different guy was schizophrenic and violent, they could just wait for someone to bring them their meds.
Those two men you refer to do not suffer from an intellectual disability, do they?
My agenda??? That's bullshit. Don't turn this into a pissing contest, 3 cops killed a retarded man. They could have tazed him, and/or they could have had everyone leave the theater until the mother got there. Disagree with me if you want but please leave the personal digs out of it.They should have backed off and let the caretaker handle him, but NOOOO!!!!! They had to assert their authority and teach this guy a lesson.
They tried that first.
Please, facts are important, your agenda is not.
And if another guy was intoxicated and violent, they could just wait for him to sober up.
And if a different guy was schizophrenic and violent, they could just wait for someone to bring them their meds.
Those two men you refer to do not suffer from an intellectual disability, do they?
Not only that it was just a movie theatre, surely they could have waited for his mother to arrive.
I mean what was the big hurry?
My agenda??? That's bullshit. Don't turn this into a pissing contest, 3 cops killed a retarded man. They could have tazed him, and/or they could have had everyone leave the theater until the mother got there. Disagree with me if you want but please leave the personal digs out of it.They should have backed off and let the caretaker handle him, but NOOOO!!!!! They had to assert their authority and teach this guy a lesson.
They tried that first.
Please, facts are important, your agenda is not.
That's right, and I'm sick and tired of cops protecting each other when they should be getting rid of the ones who do shit like this.The aide shouldn't have left him alone in the first place, and the cops should have waited until his aide came back, and listened to her, instead of charging in like they did.
I'm sure it WAS an accident, but an accident that a different attitude would have prevented. They had to have seen that the guy was mentally disabled. They should have asked the manager to let him stay for another movie, for starters. Then they could have offered to buy the guy another ticket. They had other options but they chose the worst one. If those cops can't differentiate between a mentally disabled man and a common criminal, they shouldn't be on the streets.My agenda??? That's bullshit. Don't turn this into a pissing contest, 3 cops killed a retarded man. They could have tazed him, and/or they could have had everyone leave the theater until the mother got there. Disagree with me if you want but please leave the personal digs out of it.They tried that first.
Please, facts are important, your agenda is not.
If he had a heart condition, a tazer could have killed him.
According to the autopsy report, Saylor fought with police and they fell.
Saylor wasn't choked...it was positional asphyxia.
It was an accident.The autopsy report says one deputy then touched Saylor to remove him from the theater. When he resisted, the others joined in. "In their effort, three deputies and Mr. Saylor all fell into a heap" in a side aisle of the auditorium, the report says.
The deputies then handcuffed Saylor, using three sets to accommodate his girth, while he was face down on the floor, according to the autopsy report. He became unresponsive and the deputies rolled him over. They couldn't find a pulse, so they removed the handcuffs and started chest compressions.
Read more: Robert Ethan Saylor: Autopsy shows Saylor had heart condition | WJLA.com
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I'm sure it WAS an accident, but an accident that a different attitude would have prevented. They had to have seen that the guy was mentally disabled. They should have asked the manager to let him stay for another movie, for starters. Then they could have offered to buy the guy another ticket. They had other options but they chose the worst one. If those cops can't differentiate between a mentally disabled man and a common criminal, they shouldn't be on the streets.My agenda??? That's bullshit. Don't turn this into a pissing contest, 3 cops killed a retarded man. They could have tazed him, and/or they could have had everyone leave the theater until the mother got there. Disagree with me if you want but please leave the personal digs out of it.
If he had a heart condition, a tazer could have killed him.
According to the autopsy report, Saylor fought with police and they fell.
Saylor wasn't choked...it was positional asphyxia.It was an accident.The autopsy report says one deputy then touched Saylor to remove him from the theater. When he resisted, the others joined in. "In their effort, three deputies and Mr. Saylor all fell into a heap" in a side aisle of the auditorium, the report says.
The deputies then handcuffed Saylor, using three sets to accommodate his girth, while he was face down on the floor, according to the autopsy report. He became unresponsive and the deputies rolled him over. They couldn't find a pulse, so they removed the handcuffs and started chest compressions.
Read more: Robert Ethan Saylor: Autopsy shows Saylor had heart condition | WJLA.com
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