PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'

[HereWeGoAgain]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

I don't believe in registration and I don't believe in "licensing". The second amendment says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Now, if you want to impose mandatory sentencing for ANY crime committed with a firearm - I'm fine with that. But take this into consideration before you agree with me. You guys have the ACLU. It will never happen.

It also says "well regulated" but you forget to include that portion.

Argue with the experts....

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

What's so bad about background checks and gun "titles" so you can follow the ownership and wipe out straw purchases .

We already have background checks and straw purchases are illegal. Enforce the present laws. We don't need any new ones.

You can't enforce a law that doesn't exist. I can legally sell a gun to a felon because I can legally sell it without having him go through a background check..

If it is determined that you were aware he was felon, you'll go in for all day.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Just defending the Constitution....
I know you liberals have a problem with that.

There is NOTHING a leftist hates more than the Constitution.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If parking lot gun trades without a name check are already illegal what does the radical left suggest? Dump the Constitution and break into homes of suspected gun owners? It should be noted that Barry Hussein could have closed the no fly list loophole but he didn't want to anger his criminal jihad base.

How about just compelling gun owners wishing to sell gun to another person to have some integrity and know who they are selling to? Universal background checks no exceptions.

How about compelling states to update the NICs list in a timely manner?

And since AR-15 are the gun of choice for mass murderers how about we keep a federal or state registry of those -- a registry that periodically sees if that person has gotten in trouble and needs to part with said weapon.

AND BY THE WAY -- it's not the "left" it's the majority of gun owners who want better gun safety laws.

Wait AR-15 is weapon of choice? BE VERY specific and cite for us all these instances where ANY rifle much less an AR-15 was used. Come on you made the claim back it the fuck up.

 

[RandallFlagg]

If parking lot gun trades without a name check are already illegal what does the radical left suggest? Dump the Constitution and break into homes of suspected gun owners? It should be noted that Barry Hussein could have closed the no fly list loophole but he didn't want to anger his criminal jihad base.

How about just compelling gun owners wishing to sell gun to another person to have some integrity and know who they are selling to? Universal background checks no exceptions.

How about compelling states to update the NICs list in a timely manner?

And since AR-15 are the gun of choice for mass murderers how about we keep a federal or state registry of those -- a registry that periodically sees if that person has gotten in trouble and needs to part with said weapon.

AND BY THE WAY -- it's not the "left" it's the majority of gun owners who want better gun safety laws.

Wait AR-15 is weapon of choice? BE VERY specific and cite for us all these instances where ANY rifle much less an AR-15 was used. Come on you made the claim back it the fuck up.

But Gunny, the AR15 is the "crisis du jour" for these jerk offs. Had the guy used a knife, they (liberals) wouldn't have given a second thought.

They can't refer to him as a terrorist, because it would take away from the talking points (or marching orders) that they have been told to go forth with.

Talk about useful idiots.....fucking ISIS liberals aren't capable of an original thought.

 

[Divine Wind]

....There is no federal law requiring checks for private sales.

Annnnnd we come down to the truth of the "Gun Show loophole". The anti-gun Democrats want to ban private sales of gun.

Like banning "high capacity magazines", this is just a step toward their ultimate goal(s). First ban 10+ round magazines then, a few years later, ban 5+ round magazines. Similarly, first ban private sales without a background check, then charge $100+ for background checks.

 

[Divine Wind]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

You really do hate freedom dont you.

Agreed. Dictators hate people who have free choice.

 

[Crixus]

PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'


Calling it 'gun show' is imprecise because the gaping loophole in the federal law is much bigger than gun show...

Call it the gun-show-flea-market-parking-lot-craigs-list-garage-sale-internet-trailer-park loophole.

Professors at Northeastern and Harvard universities conducted a gun survey in 2015 that isn’t yet published. The national survey of 4,000 non-institutionalized adults found that 22 percent of the people who purchased guns -- at gun shows, stores or elsewhere -- underwent no background check, said Matthew Miller, professor of Health Sciences and Epidemiology at Northeastern University and co-director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center.

When researchers excluded purchases between family and friends, that number dropped to 15 percent, which equates to approximately 5 million gun owners whose most recent purchase did not involve a background check.

5 Million gun purchases/trades/sales - with no background check.

How many where domestic abusers, dishonorable discharges, mentally ill, no fly lists?

Hell, how many are just suicidal. That ugly secret of gun deaths, the majority are suicides. And the pro-life party is okay with suicidal people owning guns.

Not in Illinois thankfully. You don't even need to adjudicated at mentally ill. If you are admitted to hospital program voluntarily, you lose your state gun permit for 5 years.

That's what I call sensible.

Probubly not many. Maybe the presidant would know considering he has presided over the most mass shootings of any presidan.

 

[Rustic]

PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'


Calling it 'gun show' is imprecise because the gaping loophole in the federal law is much bigger than gun show...

Call it the gun-show-flea-market-parking-lot-craigs-list-garage-sale-internet-trailer-park loophole.

Professors at Northeastern and Harvard universities conducted a gun survey in 2015 that isn’t yet published. The national survey of 4,000 non-institutionalized adults found that 22 percent of the people who purchased guns -- at gun shows, stores or elsewhere -- underwent no background check, said Matthew Miller, professor of Health Sciences and Epidemiology at Northeastern University and co-director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center.

When researchers excluded purchases between family and friends, that number dropped to 15 percent, which equates to approximately 5 million gun owners whose most recent purchase did not involve a background check.

5 Million gun purchases/trades/sales - with no background check.

How many where domestic abusers, dishonorable discharges, mentally ill, no fly lists?

Hell, how many are just suicidal. That ugly secret of gun deaths, the majority are suicides. And the pro-life party is okay with suicidal people owning guns.

Not in Illinois thankfully. You don't even need to adjudicated at mentally ill. If you are admitted to hospital program voluntarily, you lose your state gun permit for 5 years.

That's what I call sensible.

Yo, shit for brains.
You're lumping murders and suicide in together, that's lying. shit head
You can't control every aspect of peoples lives without a pushback. So take your fucking control freak nature and shove it up your fucking ass you fucking moron… LOL

 

[Divine Wind]

What's so bad about background checks and gun "titles" so you can follow the ownership and wipe out straw purchases .

We already have background checks and straw purchases are illegal. Enforce the present laws. We don't need any new ones.

We don't have universal background checks.
There is no federal law regarding checks for private sales.

Again - BULLSHIT


The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 established the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which allows the seller to check a buyer’s eligibility with a search that usually takes less than a minute. The system was fully launched in 1998. Before selling a gun, the gun store worker calls in to the FBI or other designated law enforcement agency to run a check against the system’s records. If the prospective buyer’s record doesn’t raise a red flag – possible triggers include a person having been adjudicated as mentally ill or being sought by law enforcement – the sale is cleared to go through.

The only problem that I have with the above is the idea that it "usually takes less than a minute". Bullshit. I have waited for days for checks.

which allows the seller to check a buyer’s eligibility

Allows. Not requires.

There is no federal law requiring checks for private sales.


Gun Show Background Checks State Laws

"Known as the "gun show loophole," most states do not require background checksfor firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals -- federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks."




You really should know what you're talking about before calling bullshit.

Jesus, I give up. You're a blithering idiot.

The anti-gun mob runs on emotion, not logic. Arguing with emotional people is a waste of time. Better to spend your time buying ammo and supporting the NRA.

I'm signed up with the NRA through 2021 strictly due to the actions of the anti-gun mob. Yes, the NRA is a PITA with their calls for money, but I'm just a member and enjoy the American Rifleman magazine.

Nonetheless, I see the attack on the Second Amendment as an attack on the entire Constitution. I've asked several anti-gunners "If we passed the Obama/Clinton Gun control bill, would you be satisfied and never ask for additional gun control laws?" NONE OF THEM SAID YES. It's a step toward their ultimate goal of gun bans and confiscation.

 

[Auld Phart]

Spoken like someone that has no clue about responsible gun owners

I know you're not one of them. What else ya got?

know you're not one of them.

How?

Your stance in this thread is proof enough.

Hardly.

what have I posted that proves I'm not a 'responsible gunowner' ?

Refusing to discuss sensible gun laws. Proves you're not mature enough to own a gun yourself.

Sensible?

Not in my opinion

Nor in the opinion of anyone I know, with the exception of my youngest daughter, (Bloomberg is her God, and Everytown her church)

 

[2aguy]

PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'


Calling it 'gun show' is imprecise because the gaping loophole in the federal law is much bigger than gun show...

Call it the gun-show-flea-market-parking-lot-craigs-list-garage-sale-internet-trailer-park loophole.

Professors at Northeastern and Harvard universities conducted a gun survey in 2015 that isn’t yet published. The national survey of 4,000 non-institutionalized adults found that 22 percent of the people who purchased guns -- at gun shows, stores or elsewhere -- underwent no background check, said Matthew Miller, professor of Health Sciences and Epidemiology at Northeastern University and co-director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center.

When researchers excluded purchases between family and friends, that number dropped to 15 percent, which equates to approximately 5 million gun owners whose most recent purchase did not involve a background check.

5 Million gun purchases/trades/sales - with no background check.

How many where domestic abusers, dishonorable discharges, mentally ill, no fly lists?

Hell, how many are just suicidal. That ugly secret of gun deaths, the majority are suicides. And the pro-life party is okay with suicidal people owning guns.

Not in Illinois thankfully. You don't even need to adjudicated at mentally ill. If you are admitted to hospital program voluntarily, you lose your state gun permit for 5 years.

That's what I call sensible.

Suicide is a choice
Why do you think you have the right to tell someone they can't choose to end their own life?

The same idiots counting suicides are the ones claiming assisted suicide should be legal and that other then with a firearm suicide should be allowed. Go figure.

Yeah.....when you realize that it just becomes another bat shit crazy part of the left wing psychology.....

 

[2aguy]

We already have background checks and straw purchases are illegal. Enforce the present laws. We don't need any new ones.

We don't have universal background checks.
There is no federal law regarding checks for private sales.

Again - BULLSHIT


The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 established the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which allows the seller to check a buyer’s eligibility with a search that usually takes less than a minute. The system was fully launched in 1998. Before selling a gun, the gun store worker calls in to the FBI or other designated law enforcement agency to run a check against the system’s records. If the prospective buyer’s record doesn’t raise a red flag – possible triggers include a person having been adjudicated as mentally ill or being sought by law enforcement – the sale is cleared to go through.

The only problem that I have with the above is the idea that it "usually takes less than a minute". Bullshit. I have waited for days for checks.

which allows the seller to check a buyer’s eligibility

Allows. Not requires.

There is no federal law requiring checks for private sales.


Gun Show Background Checks State Laws

"Known as the "gun show loophole," most states do not require background checksfor firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals -- federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks."




You really should know what you're talking about before calling bullshit.

Jesus, I give up. You're a blithering idiot.

The anti-gun mob runs on emotion, not logic. Arguing with emotional is a waste of time. Better to spend your time buying ammo and supporting the NRA.

I'm signed up with the NRA through 2021 strictly due to the actions of the anti-gun mob. Yes, the NRA is a PITA with their calls for money, but I'm just a member and enjoy the American Rifleman magazine.

Nonetheless, I see the attack on the Second Amendment as an attack on the entire Constitution. I've asked several anti-gunners "If we passed the Obama/Clinton Gun control bill, would you be satisfied and never ask for additional gun control laws?" NONE OF THEM SAID YES. It's a step toward their ultimate goal of gun bans and confiscation.

Exactly.....they will not stop.....hunters, they often say they don't care because they won't bother their shotguns and deer rifles....they are clueless too....anti gunners will not stop till all guns are out of the hands of law abiding people...then they will turn to knives, just like the British do....

 

[Auld Phart]

There is no "gun show loophole". That is a leftist media invention.

Over the years I've attended many gun shows in several states.

And all of the vender's followed the law and required a background check before a weapon purchase could be made.

No exceptions. .......

But is anything recorded ? Criminals girlfriend wh the clear record can buy a gun and give it to felon boyfriend. No paper trail?

Criminals girlfriend wh the clear record can buy a gun and give it to felon boyfriend.

Straw purchase=illegal

 

[2aguy]

If parking lot gun trades without a name check are already illegal what does the radical left suggest? Dump the Constitution and break into homes of suspected gun owners? It should be noted that Barry Hussein could have closed the no fly list loophole but he didn't want to anger his criminal jihad base.

They aren't illegal under federal law. That's the point. Only 18 states and DC require paperwork for private sales.
I could go to a gun show, buy as many guns as I please, without question, then proceed to sell them on in the parking lot or advertise them online without question.

And if it is found you are supplying felons intentionally you will be snitched out by one of your customers and be sent to jail......we can already do that with current laws....and I post those stories all the time.

That's the rub. Without a check there's no way to know who you're selling to.

Do you realize that if a criminal wanted the private gun you are selling, they could just send a straw buyer to buy it....or follow you home and murder you to get it.....making universal background checks pointless.....right?


...the guy buying knows if he can buy or not...he is committing the crime, when he is caught with the gun or using the gun for a crime we can already arrest him...then if the guy he bought it from is knowingly selling guns to criminals, the cops can do what they already do...set up a sting....

.....the only other way is for universal registration of guns.......which is what the anti gunners really want....that is the only reason they are pushing universal background checks...

 

[2aguy]

And, regardless of the state, a background check MUST be completed by the FBI. You sell a gun without a background check (Chicago for example) and BOTH the seller and the buyer are federal felons.

Wrong.

Only 18 states and DC require paperwork for private sales.

National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives


Read it and weep....

Yes that's the system they use but federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct background checks.

I have purchased several guns at "Gun Shows" and every seller there has been a Licensed Dealer. Every time I have EVER purchased at a gun show, I have undergone a background check. I have NEVER seen a "private sale" out of the trunk of a car at a gun show. Please, stop with your bullshit propaganda.

Like I told you, 18 states and DC require background checks for all sales. Perhaps your state is among them but all of them aren't.

Most states don't require checks for private sales. Hence the need for a federal law closing that gap.

And how is that working out for D.C.....? Has it reduced their gun murder rate by any chance? Didn't think so.....criminals don't do background checks.....

 

[2aguy]

What's so bad about background checks and gun "titles" so you can follow the ownership and wipe out straw purchases .

Background checks don't stop criminals...they just don't. Criminals use people with clean records to buy their guns at licensed gun dealers....so if those people went to a private seller, they could pass that background check too...making the call for universal background checks pointless for the reason of stopping criminals..

Mass shooters can pass background checks too...the few who can't steal their guns or buy them illegally.

registering guns does not do anything for straw purchases.....they report the guns stolen.....they are then clean.

Felons do not have to register illegal guns..as per the Haynes v. United States supreme court decision...

Most crime guns found in Illinois...are 11 years on the street before they are found....this factoid was from a recent article by Kevin D. Williamson...

And gun registration is only needed in order to confiscate guns in the future. Besides being a waste of time, money and manpower....

This fails as a red herring fallacy.

No one ever claimed that background checks would stop all prohibited persons from obtaining firearms.

You keep posting this same fallacy and look stupid every time you do.

They don't stop any...and they are the first step toward getting gun registration....the only reason the anti gunners want them.

 

[2aguy]

Anyone found in possession of an unlicensed, unregistered weapon gets a mandatory 25 year sentence.

Why dont' they do something like that to felons now?

Have a record, have a firearm, mandatory 25 year sentence.

Needs to be stricter. ANYONE found in possession of a gun not registered to them.....25 years Minimum. If we want to get serious about sorting out responsible gun owners from those who aren't capable of handling that sort of power, we need to get real with the punishments.

No......that punishes law abiding gun owners too......felons are not allowed, by law to own, buy or carry a gun...that is already illegal, we don't need new laws for that......I am all for 30 year sentences for actual gun criminals....but for some reson, obama reduced federal gun crime prosecutions......and state prosecutors don't want to take the time or energy to prosecute straw buyers.....that is the weak link in the system.

How does what I suggested punish law abiding gun owners?

A law abiding person in the possession of a legal gun has committed no crime....you make them a criminal by requiring paperwork to just possess the gun as a law abiding person...

They will not have used the gun for crime or murder, but you will send them to jail...is that what you want? So when the widow johnson forgets that her dead husband had a gun in a shoe box in the closet....when the police stop by to answer a call for whatever reason and find it...she is now a felon...according to your law....because the gun was not registered to her...right?

She won't have shot the gun, will not have committed crime with the gun...but a paperwork error puts her in prison for 25 years...right?

That is what you want....?

We can already do that to actual criminals...we don't need your registration of guns to do it...felons can't buy, own or carry a gun...if you catch them, you can arrest them already, no new laws needed.

If a law abiding person uses a gun to commit a crime...bingo..you can arrest them..right now, without any new gun laws needed....

Why do you feel the need to add an unnecessary gun law when it isn't needed?

 

[2aguy]

And, regardless of the state, a background check MUST be completed by the FBI. You sell a gun without a background check (Chicago for example) and BOTH the seller and the buyer are federal felons.

Wrong.

Only 18 states and DC require paperwork for private sales.

National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives


Read it and weep....

Yes that's the system they use but federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct background checks.

I have purchased several guns at "Gun Shows" and every seller there has been a Licensed Dealer. Every time I have EVER purchased at a gun show, I have undergone a background check. I have NEVER seen a "private sale" out of the trunk of a car at a gun show. Please, stop with your bullshit propaganda.

A private seller at a show doesn't need to sell out of their trunk. They can be a vendor at the show.

And if they are selling more guns than they are allowed.....they will get snitched on and can be arrested.....we already have laws that cover that...

 

[Chuz Life]

PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'


Calling it 'gun show' is imprecise because the gaping loophole in the federal law is much bigger than gun show...

Call it the gun-show-flea-market-parking-lot-craigs-list-garage-sale-internet-trailer-park loophole.

Professors at Northeastern and Harvard universities conducted a gun survey in 2015 that isn’t yet published. The national survey of 4,000 non-institutionalized adults found that 22 percent of the people who purchased guns -- at gun shows, stores or elsewhere -- underwent no background check, said Matthew Miller, professor of Health Sciences and Epidemiology at Northeastern University and co-director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center.

When researchers excluded purchases between family and friends, that number dropped to 15 percent, which equates to approximately 5 million gun owners whose most recent purchase did not involve a background check.

5 Million gun purchases/trades/sales - with no background check.

How many where domestic abusers, dishonorable discharges, mentally ill, no fly lists?

Hell, how many are just suicidal. That ugly secret of gun deaths, the majority are suicides. And the pro-life party is okay with suicidal people owning guns.

Not in Illinois thankfully. You don't even need to adjudicated at mentally ill. If you are admitted to hospital program voluntarily, you lose your state gun permit for 5 years.

That's what I call sensible.

"FACT: In 2013 there were 1117 gun deaths in the State of Illinois, a 5.18% decrease from 2012 Illinois gun deaths 1,178. The 2013 Illinois gun deaths included 576 homicides (nearly 52% of all IL gun deaths), 496 suicides (44% of all IL gun deaths), and 18 unintentional shootings, 16 legal intervention (1% of all IL gun deaths), and 11 reported with undetermined intent (just less than 1% of all IL gun deaths)."