Prescription drug prices have doubled in 7 years. Republicans will of course do jack shit about it

[Uncensored2008]

Say, hasn't fucktard Obama been in power for 7 years?

Coincidence? Probably not.....

 

[kaz]

Wow, how did I guess. You know, the only people who see management as indispensable seem to managers. We're still reeling from the fucked up systems put in place by a consultant that our management had the bad sense to hire.

Let me ask you this, how is it that the socialized medicine in European countries achieves better outcomes for about half the cost per patient as in the US?

You didn't guess I was in management, you guessed I was in the medical industry. Can't even keep track of your own useless shit?

You still didn't answer how European countries provide medical care with better outcomes for about half the cost per patient. Maybe they just have better consultants.

First of all, that's a strawman. You aren't counting the total cost of medicine. The better outcomes is a complete fabrication. Europeans with money come to the US for care for serious illnesses. You're just talking about the cost of going to a doctor and having them whack your knee.

Also, one factor that does help Europeans is that American pharmaceutical companies get screwed by price caps. Companies still sell there because they can charge more than the manufacturing cost, but Europeans just don't let them recoup their investment.

So, Americans get screwed with even higher prices because companies won't develop if they can't make the money back. Rather than help them, our idiot politicians want them to have price caps here. If you're not a complete idiot, and I think you probably are, you'll recognize the great threat this dynamic is going to have on future development. That really what you want?

I think what you really mean is that Europeans don't let pharma companies fleece their customers. As for standard care, you've painted a dismal picture that simply doesn't exist. I have a few friends from Europe who claim to have been treated royally by hospital staff when they needed treatment. I won't dispute that if cost were no object (as is the case for the wealthy), the US would probably be the preferred option. That's what our medical community caters to and the rest of us subsidize it with our premiums.

You don't follow words, so let's try numbers. Let's say:

- The cost of manufacturing a pill is $1
- The cost of creating the pill (research, testing, ...) was $8
- Expected profit on the pill is $1
- And let's say to make it simple all sales are in the US and Europe are equal, meaning half your sales are in the US and half in Europe and pricing doesn't change that.

- So, if there are no price controls, you charge $10 a pill everywhere.

- If Europe caps your price at $5, you sell in Europe, but have to sell for $15 a pill in the US. This is what is happening

- If the US caps the price at $5 as well, you stop development of any new medications and you only sell the ones you already invested in. this is what you are advocating we do

 

[Uncensored2008]

Most new drugs are worthless and are not as good as the older ones. The medical industry has no intention of curing anything.

Big pharma is in business for one reason and that is to make money.

If you do a quick google search you will find that the largest criminal fines are levied against the pharmaceutical industry and guess you pays the fines. You guessed it, it's the consumer and guess you goes to prison. You guessed it... NOBODY!

Also google "deaths adverse drug reactions".

Oh look, another anti-science leftard...

How unique.

 

[hadit]

They didn't create obamadoesn'tcare.

Buy refusing to offer any better ideas or solutions to healthcare problems, republicans absolutely contributed to the Obama care situation.

why lie

the dems told the Republicans to take a back seat on it

The basic Obama care idea was an expanded version of a program ran in the state of Massachusetts if I remember correctly the gov was Mr. Romney. A republican I believe.

So to say the republicans had to take a back seat is bullshit.

Republicans chose to not participate in good faith. They had no intention of trying to change the healthcare situation of America.

It was already working great for their big money insurance company donors. Not working as well for the rest of us.

See the difference? Probably not.

Good faith? Obama made it clear they could come along for the ride, but had to be at the back of the bus. Hardly an invitation to work together.

I remember that time quite vividly. I was disappointed at how accommodating Obama was when there was a bona fide mandate for change. I assumed that it was because he was trying to be inclusive and avoid eventual blowback. Instead, he should have treated the Republicans like the spoiled toddlers they are but it has become fairly obvious that Obama was almost as indebted to the corporatocracy as the average Republican.

Obama apparently thought he would always control Congress and didn't need to accommodate the opposition party that was just as elected as he was. His arrogance caught up with him.

 

[kaz]

Big pharma is in business for one reason and that is to make money

Whoa, a business is in business to make money! Congratulations, you figured out the obvious. How did you accomplish that amazing feat? Did you have help or figure it out on your own!

As for the rest of your Marxist drivel that loving, caring government will tend to our every need is just delusional

 

[paulitician]

Say, hasn't fucktard Obama been in power for 7 years?

Coincidence? Probably not.....

Valid point.

 

[TeaBagger]

Most new drugs are worthless and are not as good as the older ones. The medical industry has no intention of curing anything.

Big pharma is in business for one reason and that is to make money.

If you do a quick google search you will find that the largest criminal fines are levied against the pharmaceutical industry and guess you pays the fines. You guessed it, it's the consumer and guess you goes to prison. You guessed it... NOBODY!

Also google "deaths adverse drug reactions".

Oh look, another anti-science leftard...

How unique.

On March 26, 1953, American medical researcher Dr. Jonas Salk announces on a national radio show that he has successfully tested a vaccine against poliomyelitis, the virus that causes the crippling disease of polio.


Watch the video shit for brains.

OK sperm drinker, give us a list of the diseases that have been cured in the past 50 years. You can't even come up with a plausible lie.

 

[Uncensored2008]

On March 26, 1953, American medical researcher Dr. Jonas Salk announces on a national radio show that he has successfully tested a vaccine against poliomyelitis, the virus that causes the crippling disease of polio.

So cum guzzler, you are like the Amish and think all medical progress must stop in 1953:

Look, you are a troglodyte, a drooling retard who chews on his own turds.

It amazes me that you spew the moronic shit that you do, since it's a fairly good bet that you have AIDS. The cocktail of drugs that keep your skanky ass alive - all developed since 2000, have actually "cured" HIV is some patients. In the rest, it knocks the disease into remission.

No less of a miracle is targeted cancer medications. Chemotherapy used to be worse than the cancer, but the new drugs target only cancer cells leaving the healthy cells intact.

The HPV vaccination. The new vaccine utterly stops HPV, which is the cause of most cervical cancer.

Oh, we can now undo some of the damage done by Rachel Carson, we can cure malaria.

Serelaxin - nuff said.

AND we now can treat lung cancer, vastly extending the life of patients.

Look, you're a pile of shit, and stupid as dirt. You spew idiocy because you are a demagogue seeking to defame your betters. I get it, you're a pathetic worm with no value, so you make noise in hopes of tearing down those who do have value.

 

[JoeNormal]

Wow, how did I guess. You know, the only people who see management as indispensable seem to managers. We're still reeling from the fucked up systems put in place by a consultant that our management had the bad sense to hire.

Let me ask you this, how is it that the socialized medicine in European countries achieves better outcomes for about half the cost per patient as in the US?

You didn't guess I was in management, you guessed I was in the medical industry. Can't even keep track of your own useless shit?

You still didn't answer how European countries provide medical care with better outcomes for about half the cost per patient. Maybe they just have better consultants.

First of all, that's a strawman. You aren't counting the total cost of medicine. The better outcomes is a complete fabrication. Europeans with money come to the US for care for serious illnesses. You're just talking about the cost of going to a doctor and having them whack your knee.

Also, one factor that does help Europeans is that American pharmaceutical companies get screwed by price caps. Companies still sell there because they can charge more than the manufacturing cost, but Europeans just don't let them recoup their investment.

So, Americans get screwed with even higher prices because companies won't develop if they can't make the money back. Rather than help them, our idiot politicians want them to have price caps here. If you're not a complete idiot, and I think you probably are, you'll recognize the great threat this dynamic is going to have on future development. That really what you want?

I think what you really mean is that Europeans don't let pharma companies fleece their customers. As for standard care, you've painted a dismal picture that simply doesn't exist. I have a few friends from Europe who claim to have been treated royally by hospital staff when they needed treatment. I won't dispute that if cost were no object (as is the case for the wealthy), the US would probably be the preferred option. That's what our medical community caters to and the rest of us subsidize it with our premiums.

You don't follow words, so let's try numbers. Let's say:

- The cost of manufacturing a pill is $1
- The cost of creating the pill (research, testing, ...) was $8
- Expected profit on the pill is $1
- And let's say to make it simple all sales are in the US and Europe are equal, meaning half your sales are in the US and half in Europe and pricing doesn't change that.

- So, if there are no price controls, you charge $10 a pill everywhere.

- If Europe caps your price at $5, you sell in Europe, but have to sell for $15 a pill in the US. This is what is happening

- If the US caps the price at $5 as well, you stop development of any new medications and you only sell the ones you already invested in. this is what you are advocating we do

Your numbers are bogus. Research and testing is a fixed cost. The rest of the argument falls apart on that basis.

R&D is only 13% of the COB of the pharmaceutical industry. Marketing is twice that. Manufacturing is relatively cheap so there's a whole lot of money going to profits and excessive layers of accounting and executive pay. If we had a decent, single payer system, a lot of that useless bullshit would be negotiated out of the industry.

 

[TeaBagger]

Big pharma is in business for one reason and that is to make money

Whoa, a business is in business to make money! Congratulations, you figured out the obvious. How did you accomplish that amazing feat? Did you have help or figure it out on your own!

As for the rest of your Marxist drivel that loving, caring government will tend to our every need is just delusional

What a low life piece of shit you have proven yourself to be. You Ratpublicans talk about JEEEESUS. Tell me this you evil fucker. What would Jesus charge to cure a sick person. What sort of obscene profit would he make exploiting the suffering oof others? Answer the question Mr Shit For Brains.

You are such a total piece of shit that you actually believe it is good that the American medical industry makes obscene profit by exploiting disease instead of curing it. In fact you love that business model.



I would love to force you to watch the above video while beating you until you choke on your own blood.

The other part of your evil shit that defeats your own hyper-capitalist lunacy is that sick people are bad for the economy. Healthy slaves are more productive than sick ones. Do you see how fucking stupid you are? Probably not. When your banks and corporations that you love so much fucked up it was corporate socialism that bailed them out. What the people running your bank and other toxic industries need is prison but since that won't happen people like you and the corporate gangster you admire need to be purged.

Back in 1776 a piece of shit like you would be a loyalist, treasonous slug and that is what you are today. You are a clueless dumb fuck who believes that the rich know what's best for you and in your case that may be true. What's best for you is Zyklon B. It will cure everything that ails you and your kind.

 

[kaz]

You didn't guess I was in management, you guessed I was in the medical industry. Can't even keep track of your own useless shit?

You still didn't answer how European countries provide medical care with better outcomes for about half the cost per patient. Maybe they just have better consultants.

First of all, that's a strawman. You aren't counting the total cost of medicine. The better outcomes is a complete fabrication. Europeans with money come to the US for care for serious illnesses. You're just talking about the cost of going to a doctor and having them whack your knee.

Also, one factor that does help Europeans is that American pharmaceutical companies get screwed by price caps. Companies still sell there because they can charge more than the manufacturing cost, but Europeans just don't let them recoup their investment.

So, Americans get screwed with even higher prices because companies won't develop if they can't make the money back. Rather than help them, our idiot politicians want them to have price caps here. If you're not a complete idiot, and I think you probably are, you'll recognize the great threat this dynamic is going to have on future development. That really what you want?

I think what you really mean is that Europeans don't let pharma companies fleece their customers. As for standard care, you've painted a dismal picture that simply doesn't exist. I have a few friends from Europe who claim to have been treated royally by hospital staff when they needed treatment. I won't dispute that if cost were no object (as is the case for the wealthy), the US would probably be the preferred option. That's what our medical community caters to and the rest of us subsidize it with our premiums.

You don't follow words, so let's try numbers. Let's say:

- The cost of manufacturing a pill is $1
- The cost of creating the pill (research, testing, ...) was $8
- Expected profit on the pill is $1
- And let's say to make it simple all sales are in the US and Europe are equal, meaning half your sales are in the US and half in Europe and pricing doesn't change that.

- So, if there are no price controls, you charge $10 a pill everywhere.

- If Europe caps your price at $5, you sell in Europe, but have to sell for $15 a pill in the US. This is what is happening

- If the US caps the price at $5 as well, you stop development of any new medications and you only sell the ones you already invested in. this is what you are advocating we do

Your numbers are bogus. Research and testing is a fixed cost. The rest of the argument falls apart on that basis.

R&D is only 13% of the COB of the pharmaceutical industry. Marketing is twice that. Manufacturing is relatively cheap so there's a whole lot of money going to profits and excessive layers of accounting and executive pay. If we had a decent, single payer system, a lot of that useless bullshit would be negotiated out of the industry.

Nope, you can't read and you can't understand numbers. You are a complete idiot. Can't penetrate the world of delusion and hate that you live in until you want to get out of it yourself

 

[TeaBagger]

On March 26, 1953, American medical researcher Dr. Jonas Salk announces on a national radio show that he has successfully tested a vaccine against poliomyelitis, the virus that causes the crippling disease of polio.

So cum guzzler, you are like the Amish and think all medical progress must stop in 1953:

Look, you are a troglodyte, a drooling retard who chews on his own turds.

It amazes me that you spew the moronic shit that you do, since it's a fairly good bet that you have AIDS. The cocktail of drugs that keep your skanky ass alive - all developed since 2000, have actually "cured" HIV is some patients. In the rest, it knocks the disease into remission.

No less of a miracle is targeted cancer medications. Chemotherapy used to be worse than the cancer, but the new drugs target only cancer cells leaving the healthy cells intact.

The HPV vaccination. The new vaccine utterly stops HPV, which is the cause of most cervical cancer.

Oh, we can now undo some of the damage done by Rachel Carson, we can cure malaria.

Serelaxin - nuff said.

AND we now can treat lung cancer, vastly extending the life of patients.

Look, you're a pile of shit, and stupid as dirt. You spew idiocy because you are a demagogue seeking to defame your betters. I get it, you're a pathetic worm with no value, so you make noise in hopes of tearing down those who do have value.

No asshole who I have cursed with several ailments. I want to see cures and not management of disease.

Give us a list of the diseases that have been cured since 1953.

List all the ailments the medical industry has eradicated. Do it you foul POS.

You mention the Amish. Perhaps you would like to tell us their level of autism, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, arthritis, obesity...
Why the Amish Don't Get Sick: Things You Can Learn From ...

The Amish don't rely on corporate medicine and they are far healthier than people who do.

CORPORATE HEALTH CARE = FAIL!

 

[kaz]

Big pharma is in business for one reason and that is to make money

Whoa, a business is in business to make money! Congratulations, you figured out the obvious. How did you accomplish that amazing feat? Did you have help or figure it out on your own!

As for the rest of your Marxist drivel that loving, caring government will tend to our every need is just delusional

What a low life piece of shit you have proven yourself to be. You Ratpublicans talk about JEEEESUS. Tell me this you evil fucker. What would Jesus charge to cure a sick person. What sort of obscene profit would he make exploiting the suffering oof others? Answer the question Mr Shit For Brains.

You are such a total piece of shit that you actually believe it is good that the American medical industry makes obscene profit by exploiting disease instead of curing it. In fact you love that business model.



I would love to force you to watch the above video while beating you until you choke on your own blood.

The other part of your evil shit that defeats your own hyper-capitalist lunacy is that sick people are bad for the economy. Healthy slaves are more productive than sick ones. Do you see how fucking stupid you are? Probably not. When your banks and corporations that you love so much fucked up it was corporate socialism that bailed them out. What the people running your bank and other toxic industries need is prison but since that won't happen people like you and the corporate gangster you admire need to be purged.

Back in 1776 a piece of shit like you would be a loyalist, treasonous slug and that is what you are today. You are a clueless dumb fuck who believes that the rich know what's best for you and in your case that may be true. What's best for you is Zyklon B. It will cure everything that ails you and your kind.

Can you take Obama's cock out of your mouth and try that again? I have no idea what you just said. I got that you started with that I'm a Republican and a Christian when I'm neither, then the rest was just incomprehensible

 

[RandallFlagg]

Wages have remained flat for decades. The cost of living only goes up. Democrats address these issues - republcans don't.

Why does anyone bother with a party that only serves to coddle the rich? I mean seriously. At what point will you people get it? Only government legislation can fix these problems. Rather than accepting this obvious logic, you Rightwingers hold on to this sorry philosophy that Big Pharma and the rest of the private sector can do whatever it wants. It just boggles my mind you people will buy into whatever republcans in office will tell you. NONE of these republican candidates will address this issue. None of them. Get a goddamn clue.

AARP: Price hikes doubled average drug price over 7 years

Well, let's put the shoe on the other foot, shall we? I mean, since you are so upset about republicans....isn't it funny that prices have increased so much during the last 7 years? Doesn't that coincide with the run of Obama? Tell me then: Democrats controlled Washington for 6 or those 7 years, right? Why the hell didn't they do anything?

That's what I thought. Your logic is that "well, the dems did nothing, so now I'll blame the GOP" - Good work guy...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Your numbers are bogus. Research and testing is a fixed cost. The rest of the argument falls apart on that basis.

R&D is only 13% of the COB of the pharmaceutical industry. Marketing is twice that. Manufacturing is relatively cheap so there's a whole lot of money going to profits and excessive layers of accounting and executive pay. If we had a decent, single payer system, a lot of that useless bullshit would be negotiated out of the industry.

Convincing....

I assume you made all of this up out of thin air?

Do you know what amortized process costing is?

Of course not.

But first, the 13% figure that you made up needs to be dealt with....

 

[Uncensored2008]

I would love to force you to watch the above video while beating you until you choke on your own blood.

Of course you would. You are vile and stupid little Stalinist who grasps nothing other than violence.

How did the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge happen? You.

 

[Billy000]

Wow, people who are getting welfare like that they're getting other people's money? Who would have seen that coming? What a great day it is, thanks for letting me know about that completely unexpected event.

And 18 million is total enrollment, not newly insured as you claimed. Still, wow, the government massively took over healthcare for Americans in order to insure, 5% of the population! Wow!

Yep total enrollment. I guess that shows how popular the program is huh?

Funny how when government kills the competition, funds participants and fines people who don't play, their programs are "popular"

Christ do you honestly think medical prices will go down without government intervention?

Plenty of prescriptions are cheaper now that the patents have expired.

Billy's a pro-death voter. Pharmeceutical companies should only develop drugs that the poorest customers can afford. People should spend their money on cars and TVs, not their health.

If the poorest can't afford a drug you need and are willing to pay for, you need to do the decent thing and die. The world is overpopulating anyway

You're full of shit. If you lost your job, got terminal cancer, you would be begging for the help and you know it.

 

[TeaBagger]

Big pharma is in business for one reason and that is to make money

Whoa, a business is in business to make money! Congratulations, you figured out the obvious. How did you accomplish that amazing feat? Did you have help or figure it out on your own!

As for the rest of your Marxist drivel that loving, caring government will tend to our every need is just delusional

What a low life piece of shit you have proven yourself to be. You Ratpublicans talk about JEEEESUS. Tell me this you evil fucker. What would Jesus charge to cure a sick person. What sort of obscene profit would he make exploiting the suffering oof others? Answer the question Mr Shit For Brains.

You are such a total piece of shit that you actually believe it is good that the American medical industry makes obscene profit by exploiting disease instead of curing it. In fact you love that business model.



I would love to force you to watch the above video while beating you until you choke on your own blood.

The other part of your evil shit that defeats your own hyper-capitalist lunacy is that sick people are bad for the economy. Healthy slaves are more productive than sick ones. Do you see how fucking stupid you are? Probably not. When your banks and corporations that you love so much fucked up it was corporate socialism that bailed them out. What the people running your bank and other toxic industries need is prison but since that won't happen people like you and the corporate gangster you admire need to be purged.

Back in 1776 a piece of shit like you would be a loyalist, treasonous slug and that is what you are today. You are a clueless dumb fuck who believes that the rich know what's best for you and in your case that may be true. What's best for you is Zyklon B. It will cure everything that ails you and your kind.

Can you take Obama's cock out of your mouth and try that again? I have no idea what you just said. I got that you started with that I'm a Republican and a Christian when I'm neither, then the rest was just incomprehensible

Not a Republican or a Christian you say? OK then you have taken it to the next step. You are a Nazi. As to the rest of what I wrote.. it went over your head because you like the other righties are a DUMB FUCK!

You are defending the most heavily criminally fined industry in the world, the pharmaceutical industry. You are a special kind of stupid. Do you know who pays these criminal fines you dumb fuck? It's the consumer and taxpayer.

1. 
   In the largest settlement involving a pharmaceutical company, the British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline agreed to plead guilty to criminal charges and pay $3 billion in fines for promoting its best-selling antidepressants for unapproved uses and failing to report safety data about a top diabetes drug, federal prosecutors ...Jul 2, 2012
   GlaxoSmithKline Agrees to Pay $3 Billion in Fraud Settlement
   www.nytimes.com/.../glaxosmithkline-agrees-to-pay-...
   

 

[TeaBagger]

Yep total enrollment. I guess that shows how popular the program is huh?

Funny how when government kills the competition, funds participants and fines people who don't play, their programs are "popular"

Christ do you honestly think medical prices will go down without government intervention?

Plenty of prescriptions are cheaper now that the patents have expired.

Billy's a pro-death voter. Pharmeceutical companies should only develop drugs that the poorest customers can afford. People should spend their money on cars and TVs, not their health.

If the poorest can't afford a drug you need and are willing to pay for, you need to do the decent thing and die. The world is overpopulating anyway

You're full of shit. If you lost your job, got terminal cancer, you would be begging for the help and you know it.

You can bet your ass he would be begging for but that is not a problem for him because he's on welfare and medicaid. The ARC kicked him out of their sheltered workshop. They couldn't handle that violent retard.

Republicans have no problems taking government hand outs, especially the corporate ones.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No asshole who I have cursed with several ailments. I want to see cures and not management of disease.

Give us a list of the diseases that have been cured since 1953.

List all the ailments the medical industry has eradicated. Do it you foul POS.

You mention the Amish. Perhaps you would like to tell us their level of autism, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, arthritis, obesity...
Why the Amish Don't Get Sick: Things You Can Learn From ...

The Amish don't rely on corporate medicine and they are far healthier than people who do.

CORPORATE HEALTH CARE = FAIL!

Cumguzzler, you are exceedingly stupid.

I listed several cures, including HPV and Malaria.

Look, you have no worth, so you want to tear down those who do, I get it.