Problem With the Black Community

[sealybobo]

Can't argue with 99% of that. But what are you suggesting? There's nothing that black communities can do about it if whites don't change? I think a guy like Ben Carson proves that wrong. He succeeded despite. And my advice is sound. If you are poor, don't have 4 kids. If you do then you did it to yourself. And if you have a kid make sure they are focused on school and/or "what are you going to do with your life?" That's what my parents always pushed. They said, "what are you going to do when you graduate highschool". Do you suggest that poor black parents shouldn't bother doing this with their kids?

The difference between me and Ben Carson is that Ben doesn't admit that white people need to change too. That would go against his right wing brainwashed brain. People who are conservative tend to agree with every right wing talking point, just like you aren't able to talk against your left wing talking points. I agree with most everything you say but you admit that if black people are dysfunctional it's because of racism. So you admit there is some dysfunction in the black community. We agree it's not their fault. But you won't discuss what black people need to do themselves to fix the situation they are in, regardless of who put them there. Stop pushing eubonics for one.

I heard a black radio political talk show host say once that black men wear their pants baggy because black women allow it. If black women didn't like it black men would pull their pants up tomorrow.

And I agree things still aren't fair or equal, but they are probably about as fair and equal as you are going to get. Don't hold your breath. So poor black parents have to do an even better job than poor white parents have to do because white hiring managers will hire whites over you just because they are white. That would discourage me too. You know, they discriminate against short and fat people too? That's why black parents probably should be stressing education even more than poor whites. Same way short fat whites have to be smarter than pretty whites. But ugly fat whites still get jobs even though lots of people discriminate against them. Should fat ugly people give up? I hate to compare blacks with fat and ugly people but you get my point, right? People are prejudice.

Not to mention poor whites aren't blaming whites for their woes. If they are smart they would blame the rich because they are the ones who fuck all poor people. Just so happens the rich are white.

Poor white people should be on your side but rich whites use racism to divide them.

You can't use exceptional people to define the possibilities of average people. Hey....Usain Bolt ran a 9.58 hundred......"what's your excuse"? Hey....Micheal Jordan could dunk a ball starting from the free throw line....what's everyone else excuse"? Hey....look what Ben Carson did......what is your excuse. Sorry....it does not work that way. There are plenty of people who did all the right things......but failed. Their are parents who do all the right things.....but their children go astray.

You rarely here people disparage those who go to war and die or come back maimed and use the fact that others were in the same war and were able to come back fully functioning....against those that fell because of the war. There were many people in the Twin Towers on 911. Many more people got out of those buildings than those who died in the building. Does the fact that some made it out caste aspersion upon those who succumbed? No. However, when it comes to racism, white folks LOVE to throw out successful blacks to try to discredit racism as being the root cause of so much failure in the black community. Look at BEN CARSON....looky looky looky.....see....its not racism...he made it. See....it was not the planes hitting the building causing the fire why those people died on 911....because look at the people who made it out. See...it was not the wars fault that these soldiers came back maimed.....look at so and so....he is fine and he was in the same war...etc.

You are not telling black people to do anything that black people don't know or have not been telling each other for centuries. Thus.....what are you suggesting? You asked me what am I suggesting by pointing out the role of racism......well....what are you suggesting by pointing out that people who cannot afford kids should not have them? How is the "suggestion" working out thus far? Simply saying what people should be doing does not get anything changed either. What you think black people are not hearing or not being told by other blacks......YOU ARE WRONG!!!

I'll address your first point before I read the rest. First of all, good point. But, what I'm saying is Ben Carson's mom didn't ask him to dunk a ball. She insisted he study and speak the queens english so he would be prepared to succeed in a white world. And don't have kids before you can afford to have kids.

Is asking someone to take school serious, not get pregnant until they can afford it and speak english as hard as asking someone to run a fast 100 yard dash or dunk a basketball?

Am I asking for the impossible?

Black peeps think that Ben Carson is an Uncle Tom because they're jealous.

Wow....obviously you have black people all figured out....lol. Just like you probably once thought we were all followers of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton....lol

Good one!

In 2008 a black man was elected POTUS. In 2009 the ACA was passed. Why didn't black people show up to vote in the 2010 midterms? Particularly poor black people. Don't blame the democrats for black people not showing up in 2010. Don't say the Democrats let you down. YALL let them/us down.

 

[AKIP]

Lol....YOU are the one who brought up the history of the black community being why the black community is seen negatively. Now when I bring up the history of whites behaving badly towards blacks......you want me to now stop living in the past....lol. You can't make this stuff up. "its gold Jerry"...lol.

Truth is....you just don't want to account for 3 plus centuries of white racism and its REACTION upon the black condition. Thus, you want to deflect and make it seem like there was nothing influencing the black condition....other than black people.

I don't have 3 centuries of anything to account for, as I had nothing to do with that. You seem to think that people today should apologize for things they didn't even do! I didn't say nothing but black people influenced black history, but I do say that you should stop looking to give out blame to people who had nothing to do with it, and start using your energy to fix your communities' problems. Anyways, let's say I accept blame for everything that ever happened to blacks, how does that help fix the problems?

No.....you do not have 3 centuries of things to account for.....but you do currently have a negative view of black people, which, when in contact with black people, is likely to work against them. However, you REFUSE to account for this and the role that such negative thoughts have that serve to hinder black progress.

I don't have anything to account for, my ancestors were serfs back in the old country and were treated like shit. I don't think there even were any black people where they come from. I treat black people how they deserve to be treated, the ones that are cool, Stevie Wonder comes to mind, I think are fantastic. But most of you? Meh. Just look at your communities. A total mess.

Oh....you and Stevie cool like that? Obviously you have imaginary friends.

Never said we are friends, you made that up because you have nothing.
Stevie is amazing, and with exceptions, the rest of you aren't.

I do not know about the rest of white people.......but what you have shown thus far.....is hardly amazing.

 

[Mudda]

I don't have 3 centuries of anything to account for, as I had nothing to do with that. You seem to think that people today should apologize for things they didn't even do! I didn't say nothing but black people influenced black history, but I do say that you should stop looking to give out blame to people who had nothing to do with it, and start using your energy to fix your communities' problems. Anyways, let's say I accept blame for everything that ever happened to blacks, how does that help fix the problems?

No.....you do not have 3 centuries of things to account for.....but you do currently have a negative view of black people, which, when in contact with black people, is likely to work against them. However, you REFUSE to account for this and the role that such negative thoughts have that serve to hinder black progress.

I don't have anything to account for, my ancestors were serfs back in the old country and were treated like shit. I don't think there even were any black people where they come from. I treat black people how they deserve to be treated, the ones that are cool, Stevie Wonder comes to mind, I think are fantastic. But most of you? Meh. Just look at your communities. A total mess.

Oh....you and Stevie cool like that? Obviously you have imaginary friends.

Never said we are friends, you made that up because you have nothing.
Stevie is amazing, and with exceptions, the rest of you aren't.

I do not know about the rest of white people.......but what you have shown thus far.....is hardly amazing.

Awww!! You're copying me, how cute.

 

[IM2]

You can't use exceptional people to define the possibilities of average people. Hey....Usain Bolt ran a 9.58 hundred......"what's your excuse"? Hey....Micheal Jordan could dunk a ball starting from the free throw line....what's everyone else excuse"? Hey....look what Ben Carson did......what is your excuse. Sorry....it does not work that way. There are plenty of people who did all the right things......but failed. Their are parents who do all the right things.....but their children go astray.

You rarely here people disparage those who go to war and die or come back maimed and use the fact that others were in the same war and were able to come back fully functioning....against those that fell because of the war. There were many people in the Twin Towers on 911. Many more people got out of those buildings than those who died in the building. Does the fact that some made it out caste aspersion upon those who succumbed? No. However, when it comes to racism, white folks LOVE to throw out successful blacks to try to discredit racism as being the root cause of so much failure in the black community. Look at BEN CARSON....looky looky looky.....see....its not racism...he made it. See....it was not the planes hitting the building causing the fire why those people died on 911....because look at the people who made it out. See...it was not the wars fault that these soldiers came back maimed.....look at so and so....he is fine and he was in the same war...etc.

You are not telling black people to do anything that black people don't know or have not been telling each other for centuries. Thus.....what are you suggesting? You asked me what am I suggesting by pointing out the role of racism......well....what are you suggesting by pointing out that people who cannot afford kids should not have them? How is the "suggestion" working out thus far? Simply saying what people should be doing does not get anything changed either. What you think black people are not hearing or not being told by other blacks......YOU ARE WRONG!!!

I'll address your first point before I read the rest. First of all, good point. But, what I'm saying is Ben Carson's mom didn't ask him to dunk a ball. She insisted he study and speak the queens english so he would be prepared to succeed in a white world. And don't have kids before you can afford to have kids.

Is asking someone to take school serious, not get pregnant until they can afford it and speak english as hard as asking someone to run a fast 100 yard dash or dunk a basketball?

Am I asking for the impossible?

Black peeps think that Ben Carson is an Uncle Tom because they're jealous.

Wow....obviously you have black people all figured out....lol. Just like you probably once thought we were all followers of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton....lol

Good one!

In 2008 a black man was elected POTUS. In 2009 the ACA was passed. Why didn't black people show up to vote in the 2010 midterms? Particularly poor black people. Don't blame the democrats for black people not showing up in 2010. Don't say the Democrats let you down. YALL let them/us down.

White people didn't vote in 2010. Shut the fuck up.

 

[AKIP]

You can't use exceptional people to define the possibilities of average people. Hey....Usain Bolt ran a 9.58 hundred......"what's your excuse"? Hey....Micheal Jordan could dunk a ball starting from the free throw line....what's everyone else excuse"? Hey....look what Ben Carson did......what is your excuse. Sorry....it does not work that way. There are plenty of people who did all the right things......but failed. Their are parents who do all the right things.....but their children go astray.

You rarely here people disparage those who go to war and die or come back maimed and use the fact that others were in the same war and were able to come back fully functioning....against those that fell because of the war. There were many people in the Twin Towers on 911. Many more people got out of those buildings than those who died in the building. Does the fact that some made it out caste aspersion upon those who succumbed? No. However, when it comes to racism, white folks LOVE to throw out successful blacks to try to discredit racism as being the root cause of so much failure in the black community. Look at BEN CARSON....looky looky looky.....see....its not racism...he made it. See....it was not the planes hitting the building causing the fire why those people died on 911....because look at the people who made it out. See...it was not the wars fault that these soldiers came back maimed.....look at so and so....he is fine and he was in the same war...etc.

You are not telling black people to do anything that black people don't know or have not been telling each other for centuries. Thus.....what are you suggesting? You asked me what am I suggesting by pointing out the role of racism......well....what are you suggesting by pointing out that people who cannot afford kids should not have them? How is the "suggestion" working out thus far? Simply saying what people should be doing does not get anything changed either. What you think black people are not hearing or not being told by other blacks......YOU ARE WRONG!!!

Point 3. Good to hear. Means you are working on it. That's what I'm hoping. I'll work on the racist white devils, you work on slacker blacks. LOL.

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I kind of detect some resentment from you in regards to black voter turnout. I am not sure that you want blacks to turnout more for their benefit....OR FOR YOURS! Your interest as a liberal is threatened if blacks don't come out in strong numbers, because the democrats are not viable without the black vote. Its akin to a team sport like basketball. If you want to win and other starters are slacking off.......the person on the team trying to win will get pissed off by their lack of effort. That is how you come across. You are the player that wants the democrats to win, but you do not see blacks as doing their part to get the victory.....and hence you are pissed off at them.

The black players are not playing their hardest because their interest do not get paid the same. There is an old saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"? Blacks are not going to vote for republicans for the most part. Any novice political strategist would realize this. Hence, the Democrats do not offer blacks anything other than protection from Republicans.

We are not voting for something, in a vote for democrats, as much as we are voting against the republicans getting into office. However, blacks have realized that Democrats have shifted more to the right the last 50 years. Blacks are solidly left of center while democrats have moved more towards to the center......then you wonder why blacks do not show up to vote? This is a representative republic. Politicians are voted in to represent the interest of the people who voted. What democrats see as "black interest" is simply keeping out the republicans, while offering specific policies for other interest groups under the democratic umbrella. Here is the conundrum. Democrats cannot attract the white swing voters/independents if the party caters to much to black interest and rhetoric. Thus, the party has moved away from black interest in order to attract more white voters and then giving blacks "protection" from republicans instead of specific policies aimed out our interest and needs. Then you wonder why blacks are not turning out. Yes....blacks turned out for Obama because it was historic and it implicitly gave blacks hope that finally the party would address our interest....TOO. It did not happen though.....because he had to overcompensate away from black interest or whites would not have voted for him like they were.

All that being said, just how do you suppose black people complete your list? Things on that list requires social engineering and in order to have social engineering you need CONTROL of laws, the Media, the Schools etc. Society is socially engineered by creating laws and giving tax incentives and creating media programming to reflect a vision and direction for society. Blacks as 13% of the population cannot control laws, the media or the schools through the political process and we certainly do not have the money to buy the influence. Whites are the only demographic that has the numbers and dollars to shape laws, the media and schools and socially engineer the society based upon their interest and needs. Blacks do not have that ability. You can go to any black church on Sunday and hear the preacher telling blacks to step up and be fathers, stop the violence, etc, etc. Preaching it is not powerful enough to make it happen. It has to be socially engineered through laws, taxes and the media....which blacks do not have control over.

 

[IM2]

You can't use exceptional people to define the possibilities of average people. Hey....Usain Bolt ran a 9.58 hundred......"what's your excuse"? Hey....Micheal Jordan could dunk a ball starting from the free throw line....what's everyone else excuse"? Hey....look what Ben Carson did......what is your excuse. Sorry....it does not work that way. There are plenty of people who did all the right things......but failed. Their are parents who do all the right things.....but their children go astray.

You rarely here people disparage those who go to war and die or come back maimed and use the fact that others were in the same war and were able to come back fully functioning....against those that fell because of the war. There were many people in the Twin Towers on 911. Many more people got out of those buildings than those who died in the building. Does the fact that some made it out caste aspersion upon those who succumbed? No. However, when it comes to racism, white folks LOVE to throw out successful blacks to try to discredit racism as being the root cause of so much failure in the black community. Look at BEN CARSON....looky looky looky.....see....its not racism...he made it. See....it was not the planes hitting the building causing the fire why those people died on 911....because look at the people who made it out. See...it was not the wars fault that these soldiers came back maimed.....look at so and so....he is fine and he was in the same war...etc.

You are not telling black people to do anything that black people don't know or have not been telling each other for centuries. Thus.....what are you suggesting? You asked me what am I suggesting by pointing out the role of racism......well....what are you suggesting by pointing out that people who cannot afford kids should not have them? How is the "suggestion" working out thus far? Simply saying what people should be doing does not get anything changed either. What you think black people are not hearing or not being told by other blacks......YOU ARE WRONG!!!

Point 3. Good to hear. Means you are working on it. That's what I'm hoping. I'll work on the racist white devils, you work on slacker blacks. LOL.

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I've shown you in so many ways how wrong you are that a normal white person would recognize they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Your list is not what we need to do. You aren't looking at the problem of Chicago and Detroit you think you know what the problem is and you lecture ignorantly about what your perception of it is. No one gives a damn what white racists like you think, You are not a white liberal. Whites who know and have studied the problems don't come to your conclusions. I say we don't have to try harder. And we damn sure don't have to make up with the police. I say you need to shut your mother fucking mouth and stay out of the conversation because you have nothing to offer that we need to listen to.

You need to learn that you have nothing to tell me. I have done work for 32 years in his community, I know what the problems are and why they happen. You say you are just trying to figure something out and think that you can tell me what we need to do. You are 30 years behind on your so called solutions. The problem fucking up back neighborhoods is the lack of economic development which has created the lack of jobs in this community There are 2 million black businesses and more are starting, yet most of these businesses cannot afford to hire people as the many of them are at the beginning stage and are small sole proprietorships. Communities like Detroit will offer tax breaks and financial incentives to whites to come in and start businesses while denying blacks who are there in the community the same things. Nothing in your list addresses this.

You can pull up your pants speak 100 languages fluently and every child have daddy at home everybody with a PhD and if there are no jobs for them, nothing changes. I don't know anyone who speaks eubonics. I've travelled the nation and have seen black communities from coast to coast and have never heard eubonics.

More blacks than ever before are going to college and graduating, I can cut your list into shreds and have done so on several occasions yet you keep repeating this crap. We don't need to do what you propose and yes you are a racist when you think that you are so superior that you a white man can tell us that we need to listen to you and do what you propose while what we see is wrong because we don't see things fro the white perspective. So then you need to simply shut your ass with these "suggestions" and understand that I am black and I have worked in the black community, that I have worked on the issues you say we need to fix and have seen the reductions on those things. You need to learn that unlike you and the black community, I have spent time in the white community and have seen all kinds of women who raise their kids with no dad at home, and because all kinds of factory retail., professional or clerical and support jobs exist for those women that they can make enough money to raise their children with no fathers at home and they have what they need. There are all kinds of entry level retail. service jobs for those kids and they can find work after school and not just hang out idly in the neighborhood bored looking for mischief. Those kids speak slang to each other just like those kids you talk shit about in the black community. And all of this you ignore in your own community while assessing a double standard on us is why I say that your opinion is racist bullshit and that you are a racist.

 

[IM2]

Point 3. Good to hear. Means you are working on it. That's what I'm hoping. I'll work on the racist white devils, you work on slacker blacks. LOL.

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I kind of detect some resentment from you in regards to black voter turnout. I am not sure that you want blacks to turnout more for their benefit....OR FOR YOURS! Your interest as a liberal is threatened if blacks don't come out in strong numbers, because the democrats are not viable without the black vote. Its akin to a team sport like basketball. If you want to win and other starters are slacking off.......the person on the team trying to win will get pissed off by their lack of effort. That is how you come across. You are the player that wants the democrats to win, but you do not see blacks as doing their part to get the victory.....and hence you are pissed off at them.

The black players are not playing their hardest because their interest do not get paid the same. There is an old saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"? Blacks are not going to vote for republicans for the most part. Any novice political strategist would realize this. Hence, the Democrats do not offer blacks anything other than protection from Republicans.

We are not voting for something, in a vote for democrats, as much as we are voting against the republicans getting into office. However, blacks have realized that Democrats have shifted more to the right the last 50 years. Blacks are solidly left of center while democrats have moved more towards to the center......then you wonder why blacks do not show up to vote? This is a representative republic. Politicians are voted in to represent the interest of the people who voted. What democrats see as "black interest" is simply keeping out the republicans, while offering specific policies for other interest groups under the democratic umbrella. Here is the conundrum. Democrats cannot attract the white swing voters/independents if the party caters to much to black interest and rhetoric. Thus, the party has moved away from black interest in order to attract more white voters and then giving blacks "protection" from republicans instead of specific policies aimed out our interest and needs. Then you wonder why blacks are not turning out. Yes....blacks turned out for Obama because it was historic and it implicitly gave blacks hope that finally the party would address our interest....TOO. It did not happen though.....because he had to overcompensate away from black interest or whites would not have voted for him like they were.

All that being said, just how do you suppose black people complete your list? Things on that list requires social engineering and in order to have social engineering you need CONTROL of laws, the Media, the Schools etc. Society is socially engineered by creating laws and giving tax incentives and creating media programming to reflect a vision and direction for society. Blacks as 13% of the population cannot control laws, the media or the schools through the political process and we certainly do not have the money to buy the influence. Whites are the only demographic that has the numbers and dollars to shape laws, the media and schools and socially engineer the society based upon their interest and needs. Blacks do not have that ability. You can go to any black church on Sunday and hear the preacher telling blacks to step up and be fathers, stop the violence, etc, etc. Preaching it is not powerful enough to make it happen. It has to be socially engineered through laws, taxes and the media....which blacks do not have control over.

You made excellent points. This "list" is full of holes, but sealybobo won't shut up.

For example brother Ta Nehesi Coates pointed out several years ago that married black couples are having less kids. Not that blacks are just purposefully having kids out of wedlock. If married blacks had more children the issue of illegitimacy would not exist. After all this is the argument, that the majority of black children are born illegitimate. So then if the number of kids to married couples increased, the rate of children born illegitimately would decrease. So how are we going to force married black couples to have more children?

This is one of the many holes in the argument made here by sealybobo. Yet he continues thinking he has some message we need to hear. He doesn't.

Your post hit the nail on the head relative to why blacks vote democratic and why we don't always turn out to vote. That's another hole in his argument. Thank you.

 

[sealybobo]

I'll address your first point before I read the rest. First of all, good point. But, what I'm saying is Ben Carson's mom didn't ask him to dunk a ball. She insisted he study and speak the queens english so he would be prepared to succeed in a white world. And don't have kids before you can afford to have kids.

Is asking someone to take school serious, not get pregnant until they can afford it and speak english as hard as asking someone to run a fast 100 yard dash or dunk a basketball?

Am I asking for the impossible?

Black peeps think that Ben Carson is an Uncle Tom because they're jealous.

Wow....obviously you have black people all figured out....lol. Just like you probably once thought we were all followers of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton....lol

Good one!

In 2008 a black man was elected POTUS. In 2009 the ACA was passed. Why didn't black people show up to vote in the 2010 midterms? Particularly poor black people. Don't blame the democrats for black people not showing up in 2010. Don't say the Democrats let you down. YALL let them/us down.

White people didn't vote in 2010. Shut the fuck up.

Rich ones did.

I don't feel any differently about poor white people than I do poor black people. I just think the poor black community has it a lot worse and the poor white community seems to be happy being poor and ignorant.

 

[sealybobo]

Point 3. Good to hear. Means you are working on it. That's what I'm hoping. I'll work on the racist white devils, you work on slacker blacks. LOL.

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I kind of detect some resentment from you in regards to black voter turnout. I am not sure that you want blacks to turnout more for their benefit....OR FOR YOURS! Your interest as a liberal is threatened if blacks don't come out in strong numbers, because the democrats are not viable without the black vote. Its akin to a team sport like basketball. If you want to win and other starters are slacking off.......the person on the team trying to win will get pissed off by their lack of effort. That is how you come across. You are the player that wants the democrats to win, but you do not see blacks as doing their part to get the victory.....and hence you are pissed off at them.

The black players are not playing their hardest because their interest do not get paid the same. There is an old saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"? Blacks are not going to vote for republicans for the most part. Any novice political strategist would realize this. Hence, the Democrats do not offer blacks anything other than protection from Republicans.

We are not voting for something, in a vote for democrats, as much as we are voting against the republicans getting into office. However, blacks have realized that Democrats have shifted more to the right the last 50 years. Blacks are solidly left of center while democrats have moved more towards to the center......then you wonder why blacks do not show up to vote? This is a representative republic. Politicians are voted in to represent the interest of the people who voted. What democrats see as "black interest" is simply keeping out the republicans, while offering specific policies for other interest groups under the democratic umbrella. Here is the conundrum. Democrats cannot attract the white swing voters/independents if the party caters to much to black interest and rhetoric. Thus, the party has moved away from black interest in order to attract more white voters and then giving blacks "protection" from republicans instead of specific policies aimed out our interest and needs. Then you wonder why blacks are not turning out. Yes....blacks turned out for Obama because it was historic and it implicitly gave blacks hope that finally the party would address our interest....TOO. It did not happen though.....because he had to overcompensate away from black interest or whites would not have voted for him like they were.

All that being said, just how do you suppose black people complete your list? Things on that list requires social engineering and in order to have social engineering you need CONTROL of laws, the Media, the Schools etc. Society is socially engineered by creating laws and giving tax incentives and creating media programming to reflect a vision and direction for society. Blacks as 13% of the population cannot control laws, the media or the schools through the political process and we certainly do not have the money to buy the influence. Whites are the only demographic that has the numbers and dollars to shape laws, the media and schools and socially engineer the society based upon their interest and needs. Blacks do not have that ability. You can go to any black church on Sunday and hear the preacher telling blacks to step up and be fathers, stop the violence, etc, etc. Preaching it is not powerful enough to make it happen. It has to be socially engineered through laws, taxes and the media....which blacks do not have control over.

Then blacks need to show up and vote for a black guy, EVERY TWO YEARS!!! That's what Jill Stein and Gary Johnson did. They ran as libertarians and green party. It didn't matter if they didn't stand a chance, as long as they got enough votes nationally then they got more money and more power.

So then I would advise blacks to stop voting Democratic. Just run a black guy and call it the BLM party and if all the blacks nationwide vote for this person, he or she will get a lot more money power and influence. Then you'll see both parties trying to cater to this brother or sister.

Like a Ralph Nader or Ross Perot. Blacks need a black candidate to fuck with the two parties.

 

[sealybobo]

Point 3. Good to hear. Means you are working on it. That's what I'm hoping. I'll work on the racist white devils, you work on slacker blacks. LOL.

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

You can pull up your pants speak 100 languages fluently and every child have daddy at home everybody with a PhD and if there are no jobs for them, nothing changes. I don't know anyone who speaks eubonics. I've travelled the nation and have seen black communities from coast to coast and have never heard eubonics.

More blacks than ever before are going to college and graduating, I can cut your list into shreds and have done so on several occasions yet you keep repeating this crap. We don't need to do what you propose and yes you are a racist when you think that you are so superior that you a white man can tell us that we need to listen to you and do what you propose while what we see is wrong because we don't see things fro the white perspective. So then you need to simply shut your ass with these "suggestions" and understand that I am black and I have worked in the black community, that I have worked on the issues you say we need to fix and have seen the reductions on those things. You need to learn that unlike you and the black community, I have spent time in the white community and have seen all kinds of women who raise their kids with no dad at home, and because all kinds of factory retail., professional or clerical and support jobs exist for those women that they can make enough money to raise their children with no fathers at home and they have what they need. There are all kinds of entry level retail. service jobs for those kids and they can find work after school and not just hang out idly in the neighborhood bored looking for mischief. Those kids speak slang to each other just like those kids you talk shit about in the black community. And all of this you ignore in your own community while assessing a double standard on us is why I say that your opinion is racist bullshit and that you are a racist.

Are you telling me your life sucks? Do you have a job? You just admitted that you don't speak eubonics and you seem educated. Are you not a success story? You said you can pull up your pants and speak 1000 languages and still it is hopeless for a black man in America? Really you believe that???

I keep repeating my crap because you didn't do a good job explaining how and where I am wrong. AKIP did a better job.

And no I don't need to shut my mouth. I'm playing devils advocate and being honest about my feelings and perception. If you can't convince me good luck with real racist whites.

I know a single mom can give a child what they NEED. But not much more and not enough. And that goes for white women too. It's not enough to only be able to provide your child with the necessities. And can they really provide the kid what they need? Because most of them are on foodstamps.

The Consequences of Fatherlessness | National Center for Fathering

The Extent of Fatherlessness | National Center for Fathering

And once a week may be better than nothing but it's not enough either. Kid does better with 2 parents in the home.

 

[AKIP]

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I kind of detect some resentment from you in regards to black voter turnout. I am not sure that you want blacks to turnout more for their benefit....OR FOR YOURS! Your interest as a liberal is threatened if blacks don't come out in strong numbers, because the democrats are not viable without the black vote. Its akin to a team sport like basketball. If you want to win and other starters are slacking off.......the person on the team trying to win will get pissed off by their lack of effort. That is how you come across. You are the player that wants the democrats to win, but you do not see blacks as doing their part to get the victory.....and hence you are pissed off at them.

The black players are not playing their hardest because their interest do not get paid the same. There is an old saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"? Blacks are not going to vote for republicans for the most part. Any novice political strategist would realize this. Hence, the Democrats do not offer blacks anything other than protection from Republicans.

We are not voting for something, in a vote for democrats, as much as we are voting against the republicans getting into office. However, blacks have realized that Democrats have shifted more to the right the last 50 years. Blacks are solidly left of center while democrats have moved more towards to the center......then you wonder why blacks do not show up to vote? This is a representative republic. Politicians are voted in to represent the interest of the people who voted. What democrats see as "black interest" is simply keeping out the republicans, while offering specific policies for other interest groups under the democratic umbrella. Here is the conundrum. Democrats cannot attract the white swing voters/independents if the party caters to much to black interest and rhetoric. Thus, the party has moved away from black interest in order to attract more white voters and then giving blacks "protection" from republicans instead of specific policies aimed out our interest and needs. Then you wonder why blacks are not turning out. Yes....blacks turned out for Obama because it was historic and it implicitly gave blacks hope that finally the party would address our interest....TOO. It did not happen though.....because he had to overcompensate away from black interest or whites would not have voted for him like they were.

All that being said, just how do you suppose black people complete your list? Things on that list requires social engineering and in order to have social engineering you need CONTROL of laws, the Media, the Schools etc. Society is socially engineered by creating laws and giving tax incentives and creating media programming to reflect a vision and direction for society. Blacks as 13% of the population cannot control laws, the media or the schools through the political process and we certainly do not have the money to buy the influence. Whites are the only demographic that has the numbers and dollars to shape laws, the media and schools and socially engineer the society based upon their interest and needs. Blacks do not have that ability. You can go to any black church on Sunday and hear the preacher telling blacks to step up and be fathers, stop the violence, etc, etc. Preaching it is not powerful enough to make it happen. It has to be socially engineered through laws, taxes and the media....which blacks do not have control over.

You made excellent points. This "list" is full of holes, but sealybobo won't shut up.

For example brother Ta Nehesi Coates pointed out several years ago that married black couples are having less kids. Not that blacks are just purposefully having kids out of wedlock. If married blacks had more children the issue of illegitimacy would not exist. After all this is the argument, that the majority of black children are born illegitimate. So then if the number of kids to married couples increased, the rate of children born illegitimately would decrease. So how are we going to force married black couples to have more children?

This is one of the many holes in the argument made here by sealybobo. Yet he continues thinking he has some message we need to hear. He doesn't.

Your post hit the nail on the head relative to why blacks vote democratic and why we don't always turn out to vote. That's another hole in his argument. Thank you.

No....thank YOU! It always amazes me how people who do not live in the community and who cannot empathize.....think that they know more about what our community needs and what are community hears than people living it. Most black people that are 30 or more years old was raised being told that we had to work twice as hard as whites to get the same things as whites. We were not told to not work hard, to have children out of wedlock, to not take school seriously, etc, etc. Obviously there are forces out of are control.....as the rate of white out of wedlock births has actually risen faster over the last 50 years than it has for blacks. The ship that we are in socially, morally and economically, called America, is sinking. Blacks are getting soaked a lot more because the legacy of racism, plus current racism, has us disproportionately on the lower deck. We are not in control of the ship.......yet he thinks we should be able to control our fate without the ability to control the ship. Whites have not figured it out either......or there rate of having kids out of wedlock would not have increased exponentially. While they are comforted by looking down at us......THEY ARE SINKING TOO. However, I guess as long as we as black people drown first.....they are satisfied because they come out superior by dying second....lol.

 

[sealybobo]

Point 3. Good to hear. Means you are working on it. That's what I'm hoping. I'll work on the racist white devils, you work on slacker blacks. LOL.

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I've shown you in so many ways how wrong you are that a normal white person would recognize they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Your list is not what we need to do. You aren't looking at the problem of Chicago and Detroit you think you know what the problem is and you lecture ignorantly about what your perception of it is. No one gives a damn what white racists like you think, You are not a white liberal. Whites who know and have studied the problems don't come to your conclusions. I say we don't have to try harder. And we damn sure don't have to make up with the police. I say you need to shut your mother fucking mouth and stay out of the conversation because you have nothing to offer that we need to listen to.

You need to learn that you have nothing to tell me. I have done work for 32 years in his community, I know what the problems are and why they happen. You say you are just trying to figure something out and think that you can tell me what we need to do. You are 30 years behind on your so called solutions. The problem fucking up back neighborhoods is the lack of economic development which has created the lack of jobs in this community There are 2 million black businesses and more are starting, yet most of these businesses cannot afford to hire people as the many of them are at the beginning stage and are small sole proprietorships. Communities like Detroit will offer tax breaks and financial incentives to whites to come in and start businesses while denying blacks who are there in the community the same things. Nothing in your list addresses this.

You can pull up your pants speak 100 languages fluently and every child have daddy at home everybody with a PhD and if there are no jobs for them, nothing changes. I don't know anyone who speaks eubonics. I've travelled the nation and have seen black communities from coast to coast and have never heard eubonics.

More blacks than ever before are going to college and graduating, I can cut your list into shreds and have done so on several occasions yet you keep repeating this crap. We don't need to do what you propose and yes you are a racist when you think that you are so superior that you a white man can tell us that we need to listen to you and do what you propose while what we see is wrong because we don't see things fro the white perspective. So then you need to simply shut your ass with these "suggestions" and understand that I am black and I have worked in the black community, that I have worked on the issues you say we need to fix and have seen the reductions on those things. You need to learn that unlike you and the black community, I have spent time in the white community and have seen all kinds of women who raise their kids with no dad at home, and because all kinds of factory retail., professional or clerical and support jobs exist for those women that they can make enough money to raise their children with no fathers at home and they have what they need. There are all kinds of entry level retail. service jobs for those kids and they can find work after school and not just hang out idly in the neighborhood bored looking for mischief. Those kids speak slang to each other just like those kids you talk shit about in the black community. And all of this you ignore in your own community while assessing a double standard on us is why I say that your opinion is racist bullshit and that you are a racist.

I love your attitude. I need to learn that I have nothing to tell you. And you know it all.

 

[AKIP]

Black peeps think that Ben Carson is an Uncle Tom because they're jealous.

Wow....obviously you have black people all figured out....lol. Just like you probably once thought we were all followers of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton....lol

Good one!

In 2008 a black man was elected POTUS. In 2009 the ACA was passed. Why didn't black people show up to vote in the 2010 midterms? Particularly poor black people. Don't blame the democrats for black people not showing up in 2010. Don't say the Democrats let you down. YALL let them/us down.

White people didn't vote in 2010. Shut the fuck up.

Rich ones did.

I don't feel any differently about poor white people than I do poor black people. I just think the poor black community has it a lot worse and the poor white community seems to be happy being poor and ignorant.

I don't thing any group of people are happy with being poor and ignorant.......I just think they learn to cope with life and make the best of what they have.

 

[sealybobo]

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I kind of detect some resentment from you in regards to black voter turnout. I am not sure that you want blacks to turnout more for their benefit....OR FOR YOURS! Your interest as a liberal is threatened if blacks don't come out in strong numbers, because the democrats are not viable without the black vote. Its akin to a team sport like basketball. If you want to win and other starters are slacking off.......the person on the team trying to win will get pissed off by their lack of effort. That is how you come across. You are the player that wants the democrats to win, but you do not see blacks as doing their part to get the victory.....and hence you are pissed off at them.

The black players are not playing their hardest because their interest do not get paid the same. There is an old saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"? Blacks are not going to vote for republicans for the most part. Any novice political strategist would realize this. Hence, the Democrats do not offer blacks anything other than protection from Republicans.

We are not voting for something, in a vote for democrats, as much as we are voting against the republicans getting into office. However, blacks have realized that Democrats have shifted more to the right the last 50 years. Blacks are solidly left of center while democrats have moved more towards to the center......then you wonder why blacks do not show up to vote? This is a representative republic. Politicians are voted in to represent the interest of the people who voted. What democrats see as "black interest" is simply keeping out the republicans, while offering specific policies for other interest groups under the democratic umbrella. Here is the conundrum. Democrats cannot attract the white swing voters/independents if the party caters to much to black interest and rhetoric. Thus, the party has moved away from black interest in order to attract more white voters and then giving blacks "protection" from republicans instead of specific policies aimed out our interest and needs. Then you wonder why blacks are not turning out. Yes....blacks turned out for Obama because it was historic and it implicitly gave blacks hope that finally the party would address our interest....TOO. It did not happen though.....because he had to overcompensate away from black interest or whites would not have voted for him like they were.

All that being said, just how do you suppose black people complete your list? Things on that list requires social engineering and in order to have social engineering you need CONTROL of laws, the Media, the Schools etc. Society is socially engineered by creating laws and giving tax incentives and creating media programming to reflect a vision and direction for society. Blacks as 13% of the population cannot control laws, the media or the schools through the political process and we certainly do not have the money to buy the influence. Whites are the only demographic that has the numbers and dollars to shape laws, the media and schools and socially engineer the society based upon their interest and needs. Blacks do not have that ability. You can go to any black church on Sunday and hear the preacher telling blacks to step up and be fathers, stop the violence, etc, etc. Preaching it is not powerful enough to make it happen. It has to be socially engineered through laws, taxes and the media....which blacks do not have control over.

You made excellent points. This "list" is full of holes, but sealybobo won't shut up.

For example brother Ta Nehesi Coates pointed out several years ago that married black couples are having less kids. Not that blacks are just purposefully having kids out of wedlock. If married blacks had more children the issue of illegitimacy would not exist. After all this is the argument, that the majority of black children are born illegitimate. So then if the number of kids to married couples increased, the rate of children born illegitimately would decrease. So how are we going to force married black couples to have more children?

This is one of the many holes in the argument made here by sealybobo. Yet he continues thinking he has some message we need to hear. He doesn't.

Your post hit the nail on the head relative to why blacks vote democratic and why we don't always turn out to vote. That's another hole in his argument. Thank you.

What happened between 2008 and 2010 that caused you all to not vote in 2010???

 

[sealybobo]

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I kind of detect some resentment from you in regards to black voter turnout. I am not sure that you want blacks to turnout more for their benefit....OR FOR YOURS! Your interest as a liberal is threatened if blacks don't come out in strong numbers, because the democrats are not viable without the black vote. Its akin to a team sport like basketball. If you want to win and other starters are slacking off.......the person on the team trying to win will get pissed off by their lack of effort. That is how you come across. You are the player that wants the democrats to win, but you do not see blacks as doing their part to get the victory.....and hence you are pissed off at them.

The black players are not playing their hardest because their interest do not get paid the same. There is an old saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"? Blacks are not going to vote for republicans for the most part. Any novice political strategist would realize this. Hence, the Democrats do not offer blacks anything other than protection from Republicans.

We are not voting for something, in a vote for democrats, as much as we are voting against the republicans getting into office. However, blacks have realized that Democrats have shifted more to the right the last 50 years. Blacks are solidly left of center while democrats have moved more towards to the center......then you wonder why blacks do not show up to vote? This is a representative republic. Politicians are voted in to represent the interest of the people who voted. What democrats see as "black interest" is simply keeping out the republicans, while offering specific policies for other interest groups under the democratic umbrella. Here is the conundrum. Democrats cannot attract the white swing voters/independents if the party caters to much to black interest and rhetoric. Thus, the party has moved away from black interest in order to attract more white voters and then giving blacks "protection" from republicans instead of specific policies aimed out our interest and needs. Then you wonder why blacks are not turning out. Yes....blacks turned out for Obama because it was historic and it implicitly gave blacks hope that finally the party would address our interest....TOO. It did not happen though.....because he had to overcompensate away from black interest or whites would not have voted for him like they were.

All that being said, just how do you suppose black people complete your list? Things on that list requires social engineering and in order to have social engineering you need CONTROL of laws, the Media, the Schools etc. Society is socially engineered by creating laws and giving tax incentives and creating media programming to reflect a vision and direction for society. Blacks as 13% of the population cannot control laws, the media or the schools through the political process and we certainly do not have the money to buy the influence. Whites are the only demographic that has the numbers and dollars to shape laws, the media and schools and socially engineer the society based upon their interest and needs. Blacks do not have that ability. You can go to any black church on Sunday and hear the preacher telling blacks to step up and be fathers, stop the violence, etc, etc. Preaching it is not powerful enough to make it happen. It has to be socially engineered through laws, taxes and the media....which blacks do not have control over.

You made excellent points. This "list" is full of holes, but sealybobo won't shut up.

For example brother Ta Nehesi Coates pointed out several years ago that married black couples are having less kids. Not that blacks are just purposefully having kids out of wedlock. If married blacks had more children the issue of illegitimacy would not exist. After all this is the argument, that the majority of black children are born illegitimate. So then if the number of kids to married couples increased, the rate of children born illegitimately would decrease. So how are we going to force married black couples to have more children?

This is one of the many holes in the argument made here by sealybobo. Yet he continues thinking he has some message we need to hear. He doesn't.

Your post hit the nail on the head relative to why blacks vote democratic and why we don't always turn out to vote. That's another hole in his argument. Thank you.

No....thank YOU! It always amazes me how people who do not live in the community and who cannot empathize.....think that they know more about what our community needs and what are community hears than people living it. Most black people that are 30 or more years old was raised being told that we had to work twice as hard as whites to get the same things as whites. We were not told to not work hard, to have children out of wedlock, to not take school seriously, etc, etc. Obviously there are forces out of are control.....as the rate of white out of wedlock births has actually risen faster over the last 50 years than it has for blacks. The ship that we are in socially, morally and economically, called America, is sinking. Blacks are getting soaked a lot more because the legacy of racism, plus current racism, has us disproportionately on the lower deck. We are not in control of the ship.......yet he thinks we should be able to control our fate without the ability to control the ship. Whites have not figured it out either......or there rate of having kids out of wedlock would not have increased exponentially. While they are comforted by looking down at us......THEY ARE SINKING TOO. However, I guess as long as we as black people drown first.....they are satisfied because they come out superior by dying second....lol.

Or black people who are not married could stop having so many kids?

 

[sealybobo]

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I kind of detect some resentment from you in regards to black voter turnout. I am not sure that you want blacks to turnout more for their benefit....OR FOR YOURS! Your interest as a liberal is threatened if blacks don't come out in strong numbers, because the democrats are not viable without the black vote. Its akin to a team sport like basketball. If you want to win and other starters are slacking off.......the person on the team trying to win will get pissed off by their lack of effort. That is how you come across. You are the player that wants the democrats to win, but you do not see blacks as doing their part to get the victory.....and hence you are pissed off at them.

The black players are not playing their hardest because their interest do not get paid the same. There is an old saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"? Blacks are not going to vote for republicans for the most part. Any novice political strategist would realize this. Hence, the Democrats do not offer blacks anything other than protection from Republicans.

We are not voting for something, in a vote for democrats, as much as we are voting against the republicans getting into office. However, blacks have realized that Democrats have shifted more to the right the last 50 years. Blacks are solidly left of center while democrats have moved more towards to the center......then you wonder why blacks do not show up to vote? This is a representative republic. Politicians are voted in to represent the interest of the people who voted. What democrats see as "black interest" is simply keeping out the republicans, while offering specific policies for other interest groups under the democratic umbrella. Here is the conundrum. Democrats cannot attract the white swing voters/independents if the party caters to much to black interest and rhetoric. Thus, the party has moved away from black interest in order to attract more white voters and then giving blacks "protection" from republicans instead of specific policies aimed out our interest and needs. Then you wonder why blacks are not turning out. Yes....blacks turned out for Obama because it was historic and it implicitly gave blacks hope that finally the party would address our interest....TOO. It did not happen though.....because he had to overcompensate away from black interest or whites would not have voted for him like they were.

All that being said, just how do you suppose black people complete your list? Things on that list requires social engineering and in order to have social engineering you need CONTROL of laws, the Media, the Schools etc. Society is socially engineered by creating laws and giving tax incentives and creating media programming to reflect a vision and direction for society. Blacks as 13% of the population cannot control laws, the media or the schools through the political process and we certainly do not have the money to buy the influence. Whites are the only demographic that has the numbers and dollars to shape laws, the media and schools and socially engineer the society based upon their interest and needs. Blacks do not have that ability. You can go to any black church on Sunday and hear the preacher telling blacks to step up and be fathers, stop the violence, etc, etc. Preaching it is not powerful enough to make it happen. It has to be socially engineered through laws, taxes and the media....which blacks do not have control over.

You made excellent points. This "list" is full of holes, but sealybobo won't shut up.

For example brother Ta Nehesi Coates pointed out several years ago that married black couples are having less kids. Not that blacks are just purposefully having kids out of wedlock. If married blacks had more children the issue of illegitimacy would not exist. After all this is the argument, that the majority of black children are born illegitimate. So then if the number of kids to married couples increased, the rate of children born illegitimately would decrease. So how are we going to force married black couples to have more children?

This is one of the many holes in the argument made here by sealybobo. Yet he continues thinking he has some message we need to hear. He doesn't.

Your post hit the nail on the head relative to why blacks vote democratic and why we don't always turn out to vote. That's another hole in his argument. Thank you.

No....thank YOU! It always amazes me how people who do not live in the community and who cannot empathize.....think that they know more about what our community needs and what are community hears than people living it. Most black people that are 30 or more years old was raised being told that we had to work twice as hard as whites to get the same things as whites. We were not told to not work hard, to have children out of wedlock, to not take school seriously, etc, etc. Obviously there are forces out of are control.....as the rate of white out of wedlock births has actually risen faster over the last 50 years than it has for blacks. The ship that we are in socially, morally and economically, called America, is sinking. Blacks are getting soaked a lot more because the legacy of racism, plus current racism, has us disproportionately on the lower deck. We are not in control of the ship.......yet he thinks we should be able to control our fate without the ability to control the ship. Whites have not figured it out either......or there rate of having kids out of wedlock would not have increased exponentially. While they are comforted by looking down at us......THEY ARE SINKING TOO. However, I guess as long as we as black people drown first.....they are satisfied because they come out superior by dying second....lol.

I lived in Detroit. 6 and Evergreen. I lived there until 1979 and my grandmother never left. She was the only white woman in the neighborhood. We visited every week until she died in 2010. I LIVED IT!

She was mugged twice by the way. Once in her 70's and once in her 80's.

 

[sealybobo]

Wow....obviously you have black people all figured out....lol. Just like you probably once thought we were all followers of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton....lol

Good one!

In 2008 a black man was elected POTUS. In 2009 the ACA was passed. Why didn't black people show up to vote in the 2010 midterms? Particularly poor black people. Don't blame the democrats for black people not showing up in 2010. Don't say the Democrats let you down. YALL let them/us down.

White people didn't vote in 2010. Shut the fuck up.

Rich ones did.

I don't feel any differently about poor white people than I do poor black people. I just think the poor black community has it a lot worse and the poor white community seems to be happy being poor and ignorant.

I don't thing any group of people are happy with being poor and ignorant.......I just think they learn to cope with life and make the best of what they have.

Naively so I give it another go
Sitting in church hearing legitimate woes
Pastor tells the lady it'll be alright
Just pray so you can see the pearly gates so white

The lady prays and prays and prays and prays
And prays and prays and prays and prays... it's everlasting
There's nothing wrong with praying?
It's what she's asking

She's asking the Lord to let her cope
so one day she can see the golden ropes
What you pray for God will give
To be able to cope in this world we live

The word 'cope' and the word 'change'
Is directly opposite, not the same
She should have been praying to change her woes
but pastor said "Pray to cope with those"

The government is happy with most baptist churches
'Cause they don't do a damn thing to try to nurture
brothers and sisters on a revolution
Baptist preaches dying is the only solution

Passiveness causes others to pass us by
I throw my line till I've made my decision
Until then, I'm still fishin' 4 religion

 

[AKIP]

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I kind of detect some resentment from you in regards to black voter turnout. I am not sure that you want blacks to turnout more for their benefit....OR FOR YOURS! Your interest as a liberal is threatened if blacks don't come out in strong numbers, because the democrats are not viable without the black vote. Its akin to a team sport like basketball. If you want to win and other starters are slacking off.......the person on the team trying to win will get pissed off by their lack of effort. That is how you come across. You are the player that wants the democrats to win, but you do not see blacks as doing their part to get the victory.....and hence you are pissed off at them.

The black players are not playing their hardest because their interest do not get paid the same. There is an old saying "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"? Blacks are not going to vote for republicans for the most part. Any novice political strategist would realize this. Hence, the Democrats do not offer blacks anything other than protection from Republicans.

We are not voting for something, in a vote for democrats, as much as we are voting against the republicans getting into office. However, blacks have realized that Democrats have shifted more to the right the last 50 years. Blacks are solidly left of center while democrats have moved more towards to the center......then you wonder why blacks do not show up to vote? This is a representative republic. Politicians are voted in to represent the interest of the people who voted. What democrats see as "black interest" is simply keeping out the republicans, while offering specific policies for other interest groups under the democratic umbrella. Here is the conundrum. Democrats cannot attract the white swing voters/independents if the party caters to much to black interest and rhetoric. Thus, the party has moved away from black interest in order to attract more white voters and then giving blacks "protection" from republicans instead of specific policies aimed out our interest and needs. Then you wonder why blacks are not turning out. Yes....blacks turned out for Obama because it was historic and it implicitly gave blacks hope that finally the party would address our interest....TOO. It did not happen though.....because he had to overcompensate away from black interest or whites would not have voted for him like they were.

All that being said, just how do you suppose black people complete your list? Things on that list requires social engineering and in order to have social engineering you need CONTROL of laws, the Media, the Schools etc. Society is socially engineered by creating laws and giving tax incentives and creating media programming to reflect a vision and direction for society. Blacks as 13% of the population cannot control laws, the media or the schools through the political process and we certainly do not have the money to buy the influence. Whites are the only demographic that has the numbers and dollars to shape laws, the media and schools and socially engineer the society based upon their interest and needs. Blacks do not have that ability. You can go to any black church on Sunday and hear the preacher telling blacks to step up and be fathers, stop the violence, etc, etc. Preaching it is not powerful enough to make it happen. It has to be socially engineered through laws, taxes and the media....which blacks do not have control over.

Then blacks need to show up and vote for a black guy, EVERY TWO YEARS!!! That's what Jill Stein and Gary Johnson did. They ran as libertarians and green party. It didn't matter if they didn't stand a chance, as long as they got enough votes nationally then they got more money and more power.

So then I would advise blacks to stop voting Democratic. Just run a black guy and call it the BLM party and if all the blacks nationwide vote for this person, he or she will get a lot more money power and influence. Then you'll see both parties trying to cater to this brother or sister.

Like a Ralph Nader or Ross Perot. Blacks need a black candidate to fuck with the two parties.

A "black candidate" would no longer be historic. Blacks did not vote for Obama in high turnout because Obama was black, but rather, because he was Democrat and there had never been a black president . If he were a republican he would not have gotten more than 20% of the black vote (which debunks the claim that blacks voted for him because he is black). Now that we have had a black president, there is no reason to turn out any more so than if the candidate was white. Detroit has Mike Duggan as mayor. He will probably win the next Democratic Primary over Coleman Young Jr....who is black and the son of Detroit's first and most popular black mayor. Its not about color of the candidate....but the color of the impact of the policies. Mike Duggan will get the majority of the black vote because they will associate the optics of the downtown turnaround and a solvent city government with the white mayor (its a false causation....however). Black Detroit just want things to get better......I know because I am an ex Detroiter.

The same thing is true nationally. We have always had to vote for white candidates so voting for whites is no big deal. We just want someone to address our issues in the degree that we experience them.

 

[IM2]

We have always been working on it! Its only others who assume that blacks cannot look outward and work inward at the same time. We have always been focuses on our improvement. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Sometimes I see blacks in Detroit doing things to try and reach out to the kids, to lower crime, to beatify the neighborhood, to confront the drug dealers and to reach out to the police. Makes me have hope.

You miss a whole lot of what goes on in Detroit. You need to end you fakeness. You are a racist, and what's worse is that you think we need your paternalism. That paternalism is the main problem that helped create the situation in Detroit and you have been shown that.

We black folks don't need to hear your opinion of what we need to do in order to "improve". Your opinion of how blacks aren't doing what we need to do is wrong, but you won't put it down no matter how much you get shown how wrong it is. Because of that you would be told that you take your ass to the white community and work to end the racism.

OMG I came here to be nice, explain how I realize I'm wrong, and give props to AKIP for explaining it so well. And to tell you that all I wanted was an explanation. Not that you owe me one but if you want white liberals to continue to agree and defend the black community when whites say the things I was thinking, I'll know how to defend them. You cock sucker! You're part of the problem! AKIP did a great job helping me wrap my brain around it. You don't need me? Fuck you. I still don't agree with reverse racists like you because you aren't able to articulate your position. You aren't able to admit "they" are part of the problem.

Well the simple answer was "don't you think we are trying?" That's all I would have needed to hear and I would have stopped arguing with you.

This my reverse racist chip on the shoulder victim mentality friend, is why we don't have an honest discussion about racism in America. Even anonymously it's hard. Not enough AKIP's and Sealybobo's out there who just want to have an honest discussion. And I love it here because I can't be offended and I don't care if I've offended you.

I am not a racist, you stupid prick. Look up the definition. Do I think I'm better than all blacks? No. Obama is a much better man than I'll ever be. So I'm just a prejudice bastard. We all are. Even you. So quit being a little bitch and realize I'm just trying to figure out my arguments because that Trump bullshit, "black people, what do you have to lose?" is pissing me off. And blacks saying that the Democrats let them down. Fuck you. You didn't show up to midterms and gave Republicans more seats. YOU let you down bro.

And I especially get pissed when Republicans here put the black community on us liberals. So I feel obligated to look at the problem of Chicago and Detroit and us white liberals/democrats have to be honest, your communities are embarrassing. Even to the rest of the world. Do a little better and clean it up a little faster please. AKIP said you're trying. Well try harder! From our conversations I see you are resistant to changing a few thing.

A. Fathering your kids
B. Taking school more seriously
C. Dropping Eubonics
D. Make up with the cops
E. Pull your pants up
F. Stop having kids you can't afford

If you do this maybe racists whites will take you more seriously.

Oh I almost forgot,

G. VOTE!

I've shown you in so many ways how wrong you are that a normal white person would recognize they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Your list is not what we need to do. You aren't looking at the problem of Chicago and Detroit you think you know what the problem is and you lecture ignorantly about what your perception of it is. No one gives a damn what white racists like you think, You are not a white liberal. Whites who know and have studied the problems don't come to your conclusions. I say we don't have to try harder. And we damn sure don't have to make up with the police. I say you need to shut your mother fucking mouth and stay out of the conversation because you have nothing to offer that we need to listen to.

You need to learn that you have nothing to tell me. I have done work for 32 years in his community, I know what the problems are and why they happen. You say you are just trying to figure something out and think that you can tell me what we need to do. You are 30 years behind on your so called solutions. The problem fucking up back neighborhoods is the lack of economic development which has created the lack of jobs in this community There are 2 million black businesses and more are starting, yet most of these businesses cannot afford to hire people as the many of them are at the beginning stage and are small sole proprietorships. Communities like Detroit will offer tax breaks and financial incentives to whites to come in and start businesses while denying blacks who are there in the community the same things. Nothing in your list addresses this.

You can pull up your pants speak 100 languages fluently and every child have daddy at home everybody with a PhD and if there are no jobs for them, nothing changes. I don't know anyone who speaks eubonics. I've travelled the nation and have seen black communities from coast to coast and have never heard eubonics.

More blacks than ever before are going to college and graduating, I can cut your list into shreds and have done so on several occasions yet you keep repeating this crap. We don't need to do what you propose and yes you are a racist when you think that you are so superior that you a white man can tell us that we need to listen to you and do what you propose while what we see is wrong because we don't see things fro the white perspective. So then you need to simply shut your ass with these "suggestions" and understand that I am black and I have worked in the black community, that I have worked on the issues you say we need to fix and have seen the reductions on those things. You need to learn that unlike you and the black community, I have spent time in the white community and have seen all kinds of women who raise their kids with no dad at home, and because all kinds of factory retail., professional or clerical and support jobs exist for those women that they can make enough money to raise their children with no fathers at home and they have what they need. There are all kinds of entry level retail. service jobs for those kids and they can find work after school and not just hang out idly in the neighborhood bored looking for mischief. Those kids speak slang to each other just like those kids you talk shit about in the black community. And all of this you ignore in your own community while assessing a double standard on us is why I say that your opinion is racist bullshit and that you are a racist.

I love your attitude. I need to learn that I have nothing to tell you. And you know it all.

I don't know it all. But on the matter of what blacks need to do, I know more than you and don't need to listen to what you have to say. There are whites out there who make sense that I do listen to, you just are not going to be one of them.

 

[AKIP]

Good one!

In 2008 a black man was elected POTUS. In 2009 the ACA was passed. Why didn't black people show up to vote in the 2010 midterms? Particularly poor black people. Don't blame the democrats for black people not showing up in 2010. Don't say the Democrats let you down. YALL let them/us down.

White people didn't vote in 2010. Shut the fuck up.

Rich ones did.

I don't feel any differently about poor white people than I do poor black people. I just think the poor black community has it a lot worse and the poor white community seems to be happy being poor and ignorant.

I don't thing any group of people are happy with being poor and ignorant.......I just think they learn to cope with life and make the best of what they have.

Naively so I give it another go
Sitting in church hearing legitimate woes
Pastor tells the lady it'll be alright
Just pray so you can see the pearly gates so white

The lady prays and prays and prays and prays
And prays and prays and prays and prays... it's everlasting
There's nothing wrong with praying?
It's what she's asking

She's asking the Lord to let her cope
so one day she can see the golden ropes
What you pray for God will give
To be able to cope in this world we live

The word 'cope' and the word 'change'
Is directly opposite, not the same
She should have been praying to change her woes
but pastor said "Pray to cope with those"

The government is happy with most baptist churches
'Cause they don't do a damn thing to try to nurture
brothers and sisters on a revolution
Baptist preaches dying is the only solution

Passiveness causes others to pass us by
I throw my line till I've made my decision
Until then, I'm still fishin' 4 religion

That is not far from the truth.......but then there is the Nation Of Islam who pretty much has it right.....but are vehemently attacked.