Put Up, or Shut Up; What are Republicans offering the Middle class? Be Specific

The incessant "too many regulations" comes out time after time. Imagine what our air would look like and our water quality would be without regulation. Answer? If left to the corporations to police themselves the air would be unbeatable and the water totally polluted... but that would be fine as long as profit is created.

why does California still have so much pollution....? aren't they policing and taxing corporations up the yingyang already.....?

maybe they should make some MORE regulations......let's see what happens next....

and if it's autos causing that horrible stench then California should just BAN them altogether in their state....let's see what happens next...

no need for the whole country to do this experiment at the same time.....
 
What deregulation? Be specific.

Wall Street

Coal

:badgrin::badgrin::badgrin::badgrin:
Neither one was deregulated. The opposite.



Banks used cheap capital to create a bubble. Their lending strategies fueled and fed off the housing bubble, and they did so using mortgage products whose performance was premised on continued growth of that bubble.


After 2004, the financial industry coalesced around high
-risk mortgage lending as their primary cash crop. Subprime mortgages, which had been an effective if sometimes shady means of extending credit availability to under-served borrowers, suddenly became a foundation of 21st century financial capitalism. The complete collapse of the financial system and resulting recession have shown the folly of that strategy. What has saved the financial sector is the government takeover of the GSEs and the bailout of the rest of the banking system




Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf


Conservative Ideas Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis


The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress
 
Year Super Rich Tax Rate
1917 67%
1925 25%
1932 63%
1936 79%
1941 81%
1942 88%
1944 94%
1946 91%
1964 77%
1965 70%
1981 70%
1982 50%
1987 38.50%
1988 28%
1991 31%
1993 39.60%
2003 35%
2011 35%
2013 39.60%

Excellent! Glad I could help you correct your error.

It's the tax rate, NOT what was actually paid.

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory


The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

These three sentences do nothing less than blow apart the central tenet of modern conservative economic theory, confirming that lowering tax rates on the wealthy does nothing to grow the economy while doing a great deal to concentrate more wealth in the pockets of those at the very top of the income chain.


Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes




As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009.


Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP (UPDATE)
 
Wall Street

Coal

:badgrin::badgrin::badgrin::badgrin:
Neither one was deregulated. The opposite.



Banks used cheap capital to create a bubble. Their lending strategies fueled and fed off the housing bubble, and they did so using mortgage products whose performance was premised on continued growth of that bubble.


After 2004, the financial industry coalesced around high
-risk mortgage lending as their primary cash crop. Subprime mortgages, which had been an effective if sometimes shady means of extending credit availability to under-served borrowers, suddenly became a foundation of 21st century financial capitalism. The complete collapse of the financial system and resulting recession have shown the folly of that strategy. What has saved the financial sector is the government takeover of the GSEs and the bailout of the rest of the banking system




Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf


Conservative Ideas Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis


The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

Yeah center for american retards is a fail right off.
Thanks for pointing out that there was no deregulation. The regulation failed. More regulation will fail more.
 
Excellent! Glad I could help you correct your error.

It's the tax rate, NOT what was actually paid.

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory


The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

These three sentences do nothing less than blow apart the central tenet of modern conservative economic theory, confirming that lowering tax rates on the wealthy does nothing to grow the economy while doing a great deal to concentrate more wealth in the pockets of those at the very top of the income chain.


Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes




As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009.


Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP (UPDATE)

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

Well raising the top tax rate has certainly helped Obama grow our economy.

Real gross domestic product (GDP) fell 2.9 percent at an annual rate in the first quarter of 2014, according to the third estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Third Estimate of GDP for the First Quarter of 2014 | The White House

Oops.
 
Yeah center for american retards is a fail right off.
Thanks for pointing out that there was no deregulation. The regulation failed. More regulation will fail more.

It is amazing how he can go off on these ADD harangues with no thought against what he just quoted.

He's just looking for a soapbox.
 
Neither one was deregulated. The opposite.



Banks used cheap capital to create a bubble. Their lending strategies fueled and fed off the housing bubble, and they did so using mortgage products whose performance was premised on continued growth of that bubble.


After 2004, the financial industry coalesced around high
-risk mortgage lending as their primary cash crop. Subprime mortgages, which had been an effective if sometimes shady means of extending credit availability to under-served borrowers, suddenly became a foundation of 21st century financial capitalism. The complete collapse of the financial system and resulting recession have shown the folly of that strategy. What has saved the financial sector is the government takeover of the GSEs and the bailout of the rest of the banking system




Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf


Conservative Ideas Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis


The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

Yeah center for american retards is a fail right off.
Thanks for pointing out that there was no deregulation. The regulation failed. More regulation will fail more.


Yeah a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE was because of too much regulation *shaking head*
 
It's the tax rate, NOT what was actually paid.

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory


The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

These three sentences do nothing less than blow apart the central tenet of modern conservative economic theory, confirming that lowering tax rates on the wealthy does nothing to grow the economy while doing a great deal to concentrate more wealth in the pockets of those at the very top of the income chain.


Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes




As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009.


Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP (UPDATE)

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

Well raising the top tax rate has certainly helped Obama grow our economy.

Real gross domestic product (GDP) fell 2.9 percent at an annual rate in the first quarter of 2014, according to the third estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Third Estimate of GDP for the First Quarter of 2014 | The White House

Oops.

Got it, zero critical thinking abilities. Yeah, one quarter shows that right? Weird, Reagan had 50% top rate for 6 years, what do the GOPers/conservatives say about him again?
 
Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory


The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

These three sentences do nothing less than blow apart the central tenet of modern conservative economic theory, confirming that lowering tax rates on the wealthy does nothing to grow the economy while doing a great deal to concentrate more wealth in the pockets of those at the very top of the income chain.


Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes




As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009.


Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP (UPDATE)

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

Well raising the top tax rate has certainly helped Obama grow our economy.

Real gross domestic product (GDP) fell 2.9 percent at an annual rate in the first quarter of 2014, according to the third estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Third Estimate of GDP for the First Quarter of 2014 | The White House

Oops.

Got it, zero critical thinking abilities. Yeah, one quarter shows that right? Weird, Reagan had 50% top rate for 6 years, what do the GOPers/conservatives say about him again?

The problem is not tax rates, dingleberry. The problem is a government that spends more than it takes in. Balance the fricken budget, stop the deficit spending.

and for the record, raising the tax rate on the rich does not help the economy any more than cutting it.
 
Banks used cheap capital to create a bubble. Their lending strategies fueled and fed off the housing bubble, and they did so using mortgage products whose performance was premised on continued growth of that bubble.


After 2004, the financial industry coalesced around high
-risk mortgage lending as their primary cash crop. Subprime mortgages, which had been an effective if sometimes shady means of extending credit availability to under-served borrowers, suddenly became a foundation of 21st century financial capitalism. The complete collapse of the financial system and resulting recession have shown the folly of that strategy. What has saved the financial sector is the government takeover of the GSEs and the bailout of the rest of the banking system




Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf


Conservative Ideas Can't Escape Blame for the Financial Crisis


The onset of the recent financial crisis in late 2007 created an intellectual crisis for conservatives, who had been touting for decades the benefits of a hands-off approach to financial market regulation. As the crisis quickly spiraled out of control, it quickly became apparent that the massive credit bubble of the mid-2000s, followed by the inevitable bust that culminated with the financial markets freeze in the fall of 2008, occurred predominantly among those parts of the financial system that were least regulated, or where regulations existed but were largely unenforced.

Predictably, many conservatives sought to blame the bogeymen they always blamed

Politics Most Blatant | Center for American Progress

Yeah center for american retards is a fail right off.
Thanks for pointing out that there was no deregulation. The regulation failed. More regulation will fail more.


Yeah a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE was because of too much regulation *shaking head*

We had a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE because of imaginary deregulation?
 
The incessant "too many regulations" comes out time after time. Imagine what our air would look like and our water quality would be without regulation. Answer? If left to the corporations to police themselves the air would be unbeatable and the water totally polluted... but that would be fine as long as profit is created.

And you know this how ?
 
Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory


The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

These three sentences do nothing less than blow apart the central tenet of modern conservative economic theory, confirming that lowering tax rates on the wealthy does nothing to grow the economy while doing a great deal to concentrate more wealth in the pockets of those at the very top of the income chain.


Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes




As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009.


Congressional Research Service Report On Tax Cuts For Wealthy Suppressed By GOP (UPDATE)

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

Well raising the top tax rate has certainly helped Obama grow our economy.

Real gross domestic product (GDP) fell 2.9 percent at an annual rate in the first quarter of 2014, according to the third estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Third Estimate of GDP for the First Quarter of 2014 | The White House

Oops.

Got it, zero critical thinking abilities. Yeah, one quarter shows that right? Weird, Reagan had 50% top rate for 6 years, what do the GOPers/conservatives say about him again?

Got it, zero critical thinking abilities.

Got it, but enough about you.

When does Obama's higher rate fix our economy?
 
Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

Well raising the top tax rate has certainly helped Obama grow our economy.

Real gross domestic product (GDP) fell 2.9 percent at an annual rate in the first quarter of 2014, according to the third estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Third Estimate of GDP for the First Quarter of 2014 | The White House

Oops.

Got it, zero critical thinking abilities. Yeah, one quarter shows that right? Weird, Reagan had 50% top rate for 6 years, what do the GOPers/conservatives say about him again?

The problem is not tax rates, dingleberry. The problem is a government that spends more than it takes in. Balance the fricken budget, stop the deficit spending.

and for the record, raising the tax rate on the rich does not help the economy any more than cutting it.



MORE conservative nonsense

"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives in order to limit government spending by cutting taxes in order to deprive the government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force the federal government to reduce spending.


Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."


INCREASING TAXES ON THE RICH DOESN'T HELP THE ECONOMY? Seriously? Then lets try it AGAIN like we did 1932-1986? Sound good? We KNOW giving them the longests sustained lowest tax burden in 80+ years doesn't help US


Economists say by increasing taxes on the 'job creators' there is less income inequality AND rather than paying higher tax rates, they tend to reinvest in the companies!


Weird right? Conservatives are NEVER on the correct side of history, especially economics!
 
Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

Well raising the top tax rate has certainly helped Obama grow our economy.

Real gross domestic product (GDP) fell 2.9 percent at an annual rate in the first quarter of 2014, according to the third estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Third Estimate of GDP for the First Quarter of 2014 | The White House

Oops.

Got it, zero critical thinking abilities. Yeah, one quarter shows that right? Weird, Reagan had 50% top rate for 6 years, what do the GOPers/conservatives say about him again?

Got it, zero critical thinking abilities.

Got it, but enough about you.

When does Obama's higher rate fix our economy?



You mean getting out of the Dubya/GOP great recession isn't enough? Getting back above Korean war levels of revenues Dubya put US at (but not as high as Clinton had US) doesn't help?'


Perhaps tell those GOP/TP's to stop trying to make Obama a 1 termer and to start helping US by getting out of the car and help pushing US out of the ditch they drove US into....
 
What conservative policies are we living with today?

We're living with the deregulated nirvana that was supposed to free companies to expand and give regular folks wonderful jobs and lives. Remember? It's too bad they chose instead to de-industrialize this country and replace those jobs with Walmart checker opportunities.

Please point to any deregulation that happened in the last 25 years. There has been none. There has been the opposite in fact.
We are living in an over regulated dystopia designed by liberal Democrats and RINOs where gov't tells everyone what they can and cannot do. How has that been working out?

Well, for one there's this little thing called NAFTA. Maybe you've heard of it. I could go on if I had the time and inclination but I don't.
 
Yeah center for american retards is a fail right off.
Thanks for pointing out that there was no deregulation. The regulation failed. More regulation will fail more.


Yeah a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE was because of too much regulation *shaking head*

We had a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE because of imaginary deregulation?



Nah, it was the Bankster choice to flood the world markets with cheap money, in the US it was just Bush ignoring regulator warnings that started in 2004 (20 years after Reagan ignored S&L warnings, weird), of an EPIDEMIC of fraud that could rival the S&L crisis, Bush gutted the FBI white collate division by over 1,800 agents, over 1/.3rd... HMM how'd that work out?
 
Yeah a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE was because of too much regulation *shaking head*

We had a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE because of imaginary deregulation?



Nah, it was the Bankster choice to flood the world markets with cheap money, in the US it was just Bush ignoring regulator warnings that started in 2004 (20 years after Reagan ignored S&L warnings, weird), of an EPIDEMIC of fraud that could rival the S&L crisis, Bush gutted the FBI white collate division by over 1,800 agents, over 1/.3rd... HMM how'd that work out?





Darn that Bush!
 
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