Question for those on the left

[Redfish]

You have left out the corporate and billionaires main source of income, publicly owned property, assets and natural resources. If the government collected efficiently and fairly on those, taxes would not be needed.

I assume you are talking about taxing oil recovery on public lands. Do you have any idea who makes the most profit on every gallon of gasoline produced in this country------------------------------the government.

And if you put more taxes on energy production, who do you think is going to pay it? It would be a cost of doing business and would be passed along to the consumers.

You libs have a very limited understanding of economics and tax law.

The national debt has only been paid off once in our history. And it took a lib to do that task. The lib paid off the debt that using a source of income you forgot with your unlimited understanding of economics and tax law.

please explain------I can't wait to hear this.

 

[Redfish]

When does it stop being all about hating the president? You people have put Obama's face on everything you find bad about the government and actually seem to think simply getting him out of office will solve all kinds of problems. There is only one problem that will be solved, your horror of a black man in the oval office. Wait, you say you are not racist like that? Then zero problems will be solved with his eventual departure.

This coming from the Dog and Pony HATE Boooooosh show.. What fucking irony.

No, the fucking irony is when Bush was GROWING government and GROWING the debt there was not a PEEP from you right wing parrots.

Where was all this angst and concern about debt from conservatives when Bush and Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for almost a decade??? When Bush was starting a 3 trillion dollar war of ideology in Iraq, there was not a fucking PEEP from you right wingers, just cheers and 'bring 'em on'... And where was this less government mantra? You right wingers LOVED BIG government and government intervention into people lives... the Patriot Act, Fatherland Security, torture of human beings, trashing habeas corpus, the Geneva Conventions and the US War Crimes Act.

show us where any conservative has defended that. See, the difference is that our principles are pure, not partisan.

 

[Redfish]

Sorry, watched you all do it when Bush took over from Clinton and then switch back to being fantasy revolutionaries when Obama came in. I have no faith that any of your anti-government rhetoric is real. You just want republican hands on the levers of power not to actually curtail that power in any meaningful way. Republicans had every opportunity to make good on their stated values and instead expanded executive powers beyond all reason.

All of us who???? Show me links.. You never saw me do anything of the sort Spunkmeister.. SHOW ME or it didn't happen.

oh course it did. but thats why you are an idiot sock.

you are the idiot, plasma. not only an idiot, but a lying idiot. No one is defending Bush's liberal actions------NO ONE

 

[occupied]

Remember your words liberal.. BTW- There is NEVER any time that the Constitution allows for the President to legislate from the Executive Branch, NOT EVER.. You liberals have opened the floodgates with the stroke of a pen and because he's your affiliation and breaks the law with what you liberals want, you've given him a pass.. YOU OWN THIS.. and it's going to come back to you. Mark this thread and my words.

Sorry, the precedents that makes all that at least quasi-legal was established during the "unitary" Bush presidency, didn't see you guys bitching about it then. I do not like expansion of executive power in any presidency but, Christ, if republicans do not force constitutional crises so often that I cannot see that they have the slightest respect for the established legal process when their narrow political aims are at stake. It's not so much that Obama gets a pass, it's just that we already went over this shit several years ago with the Bush administration and lost across the board.

Once again.. remember your words. I don't want to see YOU or any liberal hack here whine when the hand of power changes.. and it will change.

Of course it will, that's why if congress actually did their job even if it was to vote no on everything, you would see a big sigh of relief from the left. Deficiencies in congress either by rubber stamping the president's agenda or refusing to legislate at all force the government to work in ways it was never intended and set precedent for future presidents to do whatever they feel like doing. You will never see a republican congress do a damned thing to actually permanently limit executive power, rather they will refuse to act until they can wield these expanded powers as they always wished.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

All of us who???? Show me links.. You never saw me do anything of the sort Spunkmeister.. SHOW ME or it didn't happen.

oh course it did. but thats why you are an idiot sock.

you are the idiot, plasma. not only an idiot, but a lying idiot. No one is defending Bush's liberal actions------NO ONE

I have him on ignore.. Ever since I shunned his PMs he's been butt hurt.. I've had him on ignore for at least two years.

 

[peach174]

No but I bet you can, think for a moment at how much further outside established executive powers that would be compared to anything Obama is doing.

WRONG- Only in your liberal mindset because you support his tyranny being it aligns with your own set of beliefs. TYRANNY IS TYRANNY, period.. It doesn't fucking matter which law it is.. When you support trashing the Constitution and a sitting President who breaks the law, makes his own laws from the EB, YOU are the problem. Like I said, wait until republicans get in office and I don't want to hear not one of you fuckers complain.

The only thing about this mess I would support is for congress to do it's god-damned job. There would be no need for executive action on anything if congress had not created a power vacuum in our government by refusing to even do the routine housekeeping chores that are their sworn duties as congressmen.

Who is the one who stopped it?
Sen. Harry Reid in 2011 because he did not like who the people elected as their Representatives.
Senator Reid Blocks Republican Jobs Bills

You see this one passed by a vast majority in the House but the Senate has done nothing.
H.Res. 72, a Resolution to direct committees to inventory and review existing, pending, and proposed regulations and order from agencies of the Federal Government, particularly with respect to their effect on jobs and economic growth


•Introduced by Rep. Pete Sessions (TX) on February 8, 2011
•Passed the House by a vote of 391 to 28 on February 11, 2011
•The Senate has not directed their committees to take such action


Reid and the Senate are the ones not doing anything.

 

[Bfgrn]

This coming from the Dog and Pony HATE Boooooosh show.. What fucking irony.

No, the fucking irony is when Bush was GROWING government and GROWING the debt there was not a PEEP from you right wing parrots.

Where was all this angst and concern about debt from conservatives when Bush and Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for almost a decade??? When Bush was starting a 3 trillion dollar war of ideology in Iraq, there was not a fucking PEEP from you right wingers, just cheers and 'bring 'em on'... And where was this less government mantra? You right wingers LOVED BIG government and government intervention into people lives... the Patriot Act, Fatherland Security, torture of human beings, trashing habeas corpus, the Geneva Conventions and the US War Crimes Act.

I don't see one person defending Boooooosh.. NOT ONE.. BUT I do see you and every butt sucking liberal eat Obama's butthole on a daily basis..

HELLO? Is anyone one home upstairs? I will highlight key words for you...

 

[occupied]

WRONG- Only in your liberal mindset because you support his tyranny being it aligns with your own set of beliefs. TYRANNY IS TYRANNY, period.. It doesn't fucking matter which law it is.. When you support trashing the Constitution and a sitting President who breaks the law, makes his own laws from the EB, YOU are the problem. Like I said, wait until republicans get in office and I don't want to hear not one of you fuckers complain.

The only thing about this mess I would support is for congress to do it's god-damned job. There would be no need for executive action on anything if congress had not created a power vacuum in our government by refusing to even do the routine housekeeping chores that are their sworn duties as congressmen.

Who is the one who stopped it?
Sen. Harry Reid in 2011 because he did not like who the people elected as their Representatives.
Senator Reid Blocks Republican Jobs Bills

You see this one passed by a vast majority in the House but the Senate has done nothing.
H.Res. 72, a Resolution to direct committees to inventory and review existing, pending, and proposed regulations and order from agencies of the Federal Government, particularly with respect to their effect on jobs and economic growth


•Introduced by Rep. Pete Sessions (TX) on February 8, 2011
•Passed the House by a vote of 391 to 28 on February 11, 2011
•The Senate has not directed their committees to take such action


Reid and the Senate are the ones not doing anything.

a bill is nothing but a partisan political statement until someone takes it seriously. Sending bills to the senate that have no chance of passage is nothing but a stunt.

 

[regent]

I assume you are talking about taxing oil recovery on public lands. Do you have any idea who makes the most profit on every gallon of gasoline produced in this country------------------------------the government.

And if you put more taxes on energy production, who do you think is going to pay it? It would be a cost of doing business and would be passed along to the consumers.

You libs have a very limited understanding of economics and tax law.

The national debt has only been paid off once in our history. And it took a lib to do that task. The lib paid off the debt that using a source of income you forgot with your unlimited understanding of economics and tax law.

please explain------I can't wait to hear this.

That's high school history stuff, get a high school history text and have at it.
But your real problem is economics, and here you might have to get a lower division econ text book, preferably comparative econ, and discover the difference between socialism and communism. Might also discover that most economic systems in the world today are a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

 

[Redfish]

The only thing about this mess I would support is for congress to do it's god-damned job. There would be no need for executive action on anything if congress had not created a power vacuum in our government by refusing to even do the routine housekeeping chores that are their sworn duties as congressmen.

Who is the one who stopped it?
Sen. Harry Reid in 2011 because he did not like who the people elected as their Representatives.
Senator Reid Blocks Republican Jobs Bills

You see this one passed by a vast majority in the House but the Senate has done nothing.
H.Res. 72, a Resolution to direct committees to inventory and review existing, pending, and proposed regulations and order from agencies of the Federal Government, particularly with respect to their effect on jobs and economic growth


•Introduced by Rep. Pete Sessions (TX) on February 8, 2011
•Passed the House by a vote of 391 to 28 on February 11, 2011
•The Senate has not directed their committees to take such action


Reid and the Senate are the ones not doing anything.

a bill is nothing but a partisan political statement until someone takes it seriously. Sending bills to the senate that have no chance of passage is nothing but a stunt.

LOL, thats funny. The reason Reid won't let any of them come to a vote in the senate is because he and obama are afraid one might pass. If not, the politically smart thing to do would be to let them get voted down in the senate and make the GOP led house look foolish.

You really need to look at what is really going on.

 

[Chris]

What did liberals do that was so offensive to the conservatives? Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.
- Lawrence O’Donnell Jr.

 

[Plasmaball]

All of us who???? Show me links.. You never saw me do anything of the sort Spunkmeister.. SHOW ME or it didn't happen.

oh course it did. but thats why you are an idiot sock.

you are the idiot, plasma. not only an idiot, but a lying idiot. No one is defending Bush's liberal actions------NO ONE

plenty of people defend Bush's policies. Sure you might disagree with one thing he did, but in the next breath you defend the action anyways. Both sides do this. You have a set group of the population that no matter what there side does, they will defend their guy to the end. Neither side does it more than the other.
to ignore this, ignores reality.

But then again i was here and other places watching it go down in real time. I've watched them defend Reagan's actions while blasting Obama for doing the something.

Remember the patriot was ok, because they had nothing to hide.

 

[Redfish]

The national debt has only been paid off once in our history. And it took a lib to do that task. The lib paid off the debt that using a source of income you forgot with your unlimited understanding of economics and tax law.

please explain------I can't wait to hear this.

That's high school history stuff, get a high school history text and have at it.
But your real problem is economics, and here you might have to get a lower division econ text book, preferably comparative econ, and discover the difference between socialism and communism. Might also discover that most economic systems in the world today are a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

translation = Regent cannot back up his claim and is trying to change the subject. Care to try again or will you now run from the thread?

 

[Redfish]

What did liberals do that was so offensive to the conservatives? Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.
- Lawrence O’Donnell Jr.

another attempt to rewrite history. The GOP passed those measures, the democrats voted against every one of them.

 

[Redfish]

oh course it did. but thats why you are an idiot sock.

you are the idiot, plasma. not only an idiot, but a lying idiot. No one is defending Bush's liberal actions------NO ONE

plenty of people defend Bush's policies. Sure you might disagree with one thing he did, but in the next breath you defend the action anyways. Both sides do this. You have a set group of the population that no matter what there side does, they will defend their guy to the end. Neither side does it more than the other.
to ignore this, ignores reality.

But then again i was here and other places watching it go down in real time. I've watched them defend Reagan's actions while blasting Obama for doing the something.

Remember the patriot was ok, because they had nothing to hide.

Bush did some good things and some bad things. I defend the truth.

As to the Patriot act--------it may have saved YOUR life.

 

[Chris]

What did liberals do that was so offensive to the conservatives? Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.
- Lawrence O’Donnell Jr.

another attempt to rewrite history. The GOP passed those measures, the democrats voted against every one of them.

Republicans used to be liberal.

That all changed in 1968. Nixon's so called Southern Strategy.

 

[Plasmaball]

you are the idiot, plasma. not only an idiot, but a lying idiot. No one is defending Bush's liberal actions------NO ONE

plenty of people defend Bush's policies. Sure you might disagree with one thing he did, but in the next breath you defend the action anyways. Both sides do this. You have a set group of the population that no matter what there side does, they will defend their guy to the end. Neither side does it more than the other.
to ignore this, ignores reality.

But then again i was here and other places watching it go down in real time. I've watched them defend Reagan's actions while blasting Obama for doing the something.

Remember the patriot was ok, because they had nothing to hide.

Bush did some good things and some bad things. I defend the truth.

As to the Patriot act--------it may have saved YOUR life.

there we go. we are done here.

 

[regent]

please explain------I can't wait to hear this.

That's high school history stuff, get a high school history text and have at it.
But your real problem is economics, and here you might have to get a lower division econ text book, preferably comparative econ, and discover the difference between socialism and communism. Might also discover that most economic systems in the world today are a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

translation = Regent cannot back up his claim and is trying to change the subject. Care to try again or will you now run from the thread?

It's not a claim, it's history, American history, and if you cannot do your own research I would be amiss to do it for you. But, maybe, just this once, where do you need the help with the history or the economics?

 

[candycorn]

Thats what kills me about liberals. At some point any thinking person will turn on a crooked government,even if it's their own party.
Yet here we have a president who has been inept at best and criminal at worst...yet they still follow him.
When does it become about country liberals?

When does it stop being all about hating the president? You people have put Obama's face on everything you find bad about the government and actually seem to think simply getting him out of office will solve all kinds of problems. There is only one problem that will be solved, your horror of a black man in the oval office. Wait, you say you are not racist like that? Then zero problems will be solved with his eventual departure.

A little shrill there....And stuff your racist comments up your bunghole.
The guy is a disaster no matter what color he is. This country and the world are going to shit because of HIS policies. Look around you,or are you to blind from the shine off your messiah to see?

And if conservatives her stopped calling the president "boy", perhaps liberals wouldn't think it is racially motivated.

Just a thought.

 

[peach174]

When does it stop being all about hating the president? You people have put Obama's face on everything you find bad about the government and actually seem to think simply getting him out of office will solve all kinds of problems. There is only one problem that will be solved, your horror of a black man in the oval office. Wait, you say you are not racist like that? Then zero problems will be solved with his eventual departure.

A little shrill there....And stuff your racist comments up your bunghole.
The guy is a disaster no matter what color he is. This country and the world are going to shit because of HIS policies. Look around you,or are you to blind from the shine off your messiah to see?

And if conservatives her stopped calling the president "boy", perhaps liberals wouldn't think it is racially motivated.

Just a thought.

How about when the left called Bush Boy George?