Reagan & Conservatives -- Revisonist History 101

[CrusaderFrank]

Really? That's your answer?

Then you wonder why I ignore this thread

thanks for showing as always,you have reading comprehension problems dumbfuck.

as always you evaded my facts that counted his lies and B.s when i addressed it here in post # on this page.

OK, maybe you were in 2nd grade and out of diapers. There's not a chance in hell you were an adult during the Reagan presidency

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Really? That's your answer?

Then you wonder why I ignore this thread
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I shot down his lies with this post # number 178 which you ignored like you always do in your debates troll.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/histo...onservatives-revisonist-history-101-a-12.html

 

[bendog]

Dante, I agree it's true that pseudo-conservatives misinterpret what Reagan was about, but I don't think Reagan actually changed. As one of the initial threads pointed out, his greatest achievement may have been changing how we looked at ourselves. The conventional wisdom was we did something bad in Vietnam. LBJ lied us into it (hey were else did that happen) but the kids who served and died did so to protect the world from communism, and the public supported that. He told us we were good people, and to be proud of that.

I don't think he really moderated his views so much as how events played out. Reagan was morally horrified of the concept of mutually assured destruction. Nixon viewed him a simpleton.

Personally, I opposed Reagan's conventional military buildup, simply because in economic terms, I thought communism was doomed regardless. But, perhaps Reagan was wise. His military buildup nearly caused a nuclear exchange under Andropov, but it also forestalled any notion the soviets might of had to try and prop up their econ corpse with W. Germany's economy. They couldn't be sure that NATO would fail to stop them w/o America having to launch a nuclear attack from our hemisphere. That is, they might have bet we'd go Munich on Europe to avoid a general nuclear exchange, but Reagan dealt them a new hand that didn't allow that play.

Reagan wanted nukes out of the equation all along. Once Gorbachav saw there was no way to continue the arms race with Star Wars that potentially could eliminate the soviets cheap bang for the buck missle technology, it was game over. For Reagan's purposes it was enough if the Ruskies thought Star Wars just might work, even ten years down the road. They didn't have the money to build their own.

 

[Oldstyle]

Reagan is despised by two types of people....Progressives who are butt hurt that he was so great and Young Conspiracy nutbag Paulbots who never grew up in the Reagan era. Paul despised Reagan and then like the scumbag he was tried to use him to make himself look less fruity. Reagan is everything Obama cant be. He was a adult who compromised ... Too bad the democrats cant be trusted to keep up their end of the compromise. He was strait with the american people about the enemy...Unlike democrats who worshiped the USSR ... Hell most still do. He wasn't perfect but he has been the greatest president we have had since Lincoln . He was also the last real republican president we have had.

Only stupid ignorant trolls like you and Frank defend the corruption of reagan.

The people that lived through it actually remember how bad things really were back then.

Its only the young brainwashed nutbags that listen to that idiot box in the living room and mouthpieces full of hot air like Rush Limbaugh who fueled it all right after he got out off office that believe all the lies made up that he did.

the ones that grew up during the Reagan era are the ones that remember how bad it was.you obviously did not despite your lies.

Your just as much of a fucking troll is that idiot retard frank is.The proof is in the pudding on that the way you worship the lies the CIA media has spun about him in the lamestream media all the years.

Dante proved it earlier posting facts that Reagans popularity throughout most of his two terms,that he was very unpopular with the american people.

Hate to break your heart idiot,but Jfk was easily the greatest president since Lincoln.Unlike your bastard murdering idol,he actually tried to get rid of the CIA like the patriot he was and paid the price for it.He was our last REAL president we had despite franks lies in his avatar.

The CIA is the reason WHY the world is in the mess it is today and Obama just like every president since that bastard reagan,has been following the gippers footsteps sending jobs overseas and betraying the middle class.


STOP THE RW PREVARICATING!!! The Gipper was a tax-raisin', terrist armin', death squad fundin', deficit spender. Accept it and choose another rw dear leader to idolize because the Gipper doesn't hold water




The comparisons between Obama and Reagan were inevitable. Reagan took over from Jimmy Carter and inherited an economy that was in shambles. Obama

Uh actually those are lies that have been spread by the CIA media ever since Reagan left office.Carter was the one that took over an economy that was in shambles thanks to the prvious administration.By the time carter left,the ecomony was actually booming.Inflation was high but the ecomony was doing great under Carter.

Reagan got in and after his first term like you said,we were no better off that we were under Carter.It was Carters appointee Paul volker who turned the economy around in Reagans second term.Thanks to carter and his appointee,the economy turned around.Reagn just took the credit for it all.

Dude, your knowledge of what was taking place during the Nixon-Carter-Reagan Administrations is pathetic. Jimmy Carter shot himself in the foot with the economy when he instituted price controls on gas and oil which was an unmitigated disaster. Much of the Reagan turn around can be directly traced to his lifting of those price controls shortly after taking office.

CIA controlled media? Really?

 

[Camp]

Only stupid ignorant trolls like you and Frank defend the corruption of reagan.

The people that lived through it actually remember how bad things really were back then.

Its only the young brainwashed nutbags that listen to that idiot box in the living room and mouthpieces full of hot air like Rush Limbaugh who fueled it all right after he got out off office that believe all the lies made up that he did.

the ones that grew up during the Reagan era are the ones that remember how bad it was.you obviously did not despite your lies.

Your just as much of a fucking troll is that idiot retard frank is.The proof is in the pudding on that the way you worship the lies the CIA media has spun about him in the lamestream media all the years.

Dante proved it earlier posting facts that Reagans popularity throughout most of his two terms,that he was very unpopular with the american people.

Hate to break your heart idiot,but Jfk was easily the greatest president since Lincoln.Unlike your bastard murdering idol,he actually tried to get rid of the CIA like the patriot he was and paid the price for it.He was our last REAL president we had despite franks lies in his avatar.

The CIA is the reason WHY the world is in the mess it is today and Obama just like every president since that bastard reagan,has been following the gippers footsteps sending jobs overseas and betraying the middle class.

Then maybe you need to find somebody who did live through it, child

Willing to bet that 9/11 was in diapers when Reagan was President

I remember that era like it was yesterday.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Really? That's your answer?

Then you wonder why I ignore this thread

thanks for showing as always,you have reading comprehension problems dumbfuck.

as always you evaded my facts that counted his lies and B.s when i addressed it here in post # on this page.

OK, maybe you were in 2nd grade and out of diapers. There's not a chance in hell you were an adult during the Reagan presidency

No reagans devoted distant cousin troll,YOU were the one in diapers fuckface.No theres not a chance in hell YOU were an adult back then troll hyocrite.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Reagan is despised by two types of people....Progressives who are butt hurt that he was so great and Young Conspiracy nutbag Paulbots who never grew up in the Reagan era. Paul despised Reagan and then like the scumbag he was tried to use him to make himself look less fruity. Reagan is everything Obama cant be. He was a adult who compromised ... Too bad the democrats cant be trusted to keep up their end of the compromise. He was strait with the american people about the enemy...Unlike democrats who worshiped the USSR ... Hell most still do. He wasn't perfect but he has been the greatest president we have had since Lincoln . He was also the last real republican president we have had.

Only stupid ignorant trolls like you and Frank defend the corruption of reagan.

The people that lived through it actually remember how bad things really were back then.

Its only the young brainwashed nutbags that listen to that idiot box in the living room and mouthpieces full of hot air like Rush Limbaugh who fueled it all right after he got out off office that believe all the lies made up that he did.

the ones that grew up during the Reagan era are the ones that remember how bad it was.you obviously did not despite your lies.

Your just as much of a fucking troll is that idiot retard frank is.The proof is in the pudding on that the way you worship the lies the CIA media has spun about him in the lamestream media all the years.

Dante proved it earlier posting facts that Reagans popularity throughout most of his two terms,that he was very unpopular with the american people.

Hate to break your heart idiot,but Jfk was easily the greatest president since Lincoln.Unlike your bastard murdering idol,he actually tried to get rid of the CIA like the patriot he was and paid the price for it.He was our last REAL president we had despite franks lies in his avatar.

The CIA is the reason WHY the world is in the mess it is today and Obama just like every president since that bastard reagan,has been following the gippers footsteps sending jobs overseas and betraying the middle class.


STOP THE RW PREVARICATING!!! The Gipper was a tax-raisin', terrist armin', death squad fundin', deficit spender. Accept it and choose another rw dear leader to idolize because the Gipper doesn't hold water




The comparisons between Obama and Reagan were inevitable. Reagan took over from Jimmy Carter and inherited an economy that was in shambles. Obama

Uh actually those are lies that have been spread by the CIA media ever since Reagan left office.Carter was the one that took over an economy that was in shambles thanks to the prvious administration.By the time carter left,the ecomony was actually booming.Inflation was high but the ecomony was doing great under Carter.

Reagan got in and after his first term like you said,we were no better off that we were under Carter.It was Carters appointee Paul volker who turned the economy around in Reagans second term.Thanks to carter and his appointee,the economy turned around.Reagn just took the credit for it all.

Dude, your knowledge of what was taking place during the Nixon-Carter-Reagan Administrations is pathetic. Jimmy Carter shot himself in the foot with the economy when he instituted price controls on gas and oil which was an unmitigated disaster. Much of the Reagan turn around can be directly traced to his lifting of those price controls shortly after taking office.

CIA controlled media? Really?

No dude,,your knowledge of what took place during the Reagan years is what is pathetic. the way you keep playing dodgeball with everybodys posts that comes on here and derails your ramblings.

thanks for demonstrationg your ignorance in what really goes on in the country as well and how corrupt the CIA is. Its common knowledge the CIA after world war two brought over nazi criminals to work for them.a fact your obviously ignorant of.

Oh and congress did an investigation into the CIA'S activities in the 70's -back then congress wasnt anywhere near as corrupt as it is now,and they discovered through the freedom of information act, documents that the CIA has plants everywhere in mainstream media outlets and they are stationed everywhere in federal workplaces as well.

It was all over in rolling stone magazine back then with the article done by none other than Carl Bernstein whom I guess your going to say is a tin foil hatter?.

Looks like the truth hurts.

It was discovered that Walter Kronkite was a plant,oh Hannity and Colmes and Bill O'reily are plants as well.Peter Jennings,Dan Rather,Tom Brokaw,all plants charlie.

That was why Dan Rather skyrocketed to stardom all of a sudden to the major networks was his partipation in the coverup of the assassination of JFK our last real president.

He was the ONLY media person who was able to view the zapruder film back then in the days that followed that whole week and like the idiot he was,got careless in his lies telling the american people that Kennedys head went FORWARD from the gunshot.

He knew the lie to spread was that oswald did it so in his desperate attempts to spread the lie,he said he saw his head go forward.thats why many cartoon features have been written about him snoozing while viewing the film since it clearly shows his head going backward and to the left.

thats why a lot of americans that are not brainwashed by the idiot box in the living room you worship,read alternative news sources like american free press,media bypass,the drudge report,ect ect.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

so much for the lies spread by the reagan trolls here that he made the economy flourish.

these links of course will go ignored by the reagan trolls.

Consortiumnews.com

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/the-reagan-ruins_b_816820.html

oh and you reagan trolls might try and read these two books here which we all know you wont.especially reagans cousin retard frank and that zionist paid shill thats penetrated this site.

https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1868/t/12126/shop/shop.jsp?storefront_KEY=1037

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Really? That's your answer?

Then you wonder why I ignore this thread

thanks for showing as always,you have reading comprehension problems dumbfuck.

as always you evaded my facts that counted his lies and B.s when i addressed it here in post # on this page.

just so you cant come back and say i did not address it -which you would have a right to say if I had not cleared up this post,I made it thinking I had posted the link but obviously i had not," I addressed it and shot down the zionist shills lies right here on post # 178 on page 12 which like the troll you are,blatantly ignored like you do EVERY post of people like myself who shoot down your lies about your idiot bastard idio.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/histo...onservatives-revisonist-history-101-a-12.html

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Reagan is despised by two types of people....Progressives who are butt hurt that he was so great and Young Conspiracy nutbag Paulbots who never grew up in the Reagan era. Paul despised Reagan and then like the scumbag he was tried to use him to make himself look less fruity. Reagan is everything Obama cant be. He was a adult who compromised ... Too bad the democrats cant be trusted to keep up their end of the compromise. He was strait with the american people about the enemy...Unlike democrats who worshiped the USSR ... Hell most still do. He wasn't perfect but he has been the greatest president we have had since Lincoln . He was also the last real republican president we have had.

Only stupid ignorant trolls like you and Frank defend the corruption of reagan.

The people that lived through it actually remember how bad things really were back then.

Its only the young brainwashed nutbags that listen to that idiot box in the living room and mouthpieces full of hot air like Rush Limbaugh who fueled it all right after he got out off office that believe all the lies made up that he did.

the ones that grew up during the Reagan era are the ones that remember how bad it was.you obviously did not despite your lies.

Your just as much of a fucking troll is that idiot retard frank is.The proof is in the pudding on that the way you worship the lies the CIA media has spun about him in the lamestream media all the years.

Dante proved it earlier posting facts that Reagans popularity throughout most of his two terms,that he was very unpopular with the american people.

Hate to break your heart idiot,but Jfk was easily the greatest president since Lincoln.Unlike your bastard murdering idol,he actually tried to get rid of the CIA like the patriot he was and paid the price for it.He was our last REAL president we had despite franks lies in his avatar.

The CIA is the reason WHY the world is in the mess it is today and Obama just like every president since that bastard reagan,has been following the gippers footsteps sending jobs overseas and betraying the middle class.


STOP THE RW PREVARICATING!!! The Gipper was a tax-raisin', terrist armin', death squad fundin', deficit spender. Accept it and choose another rw dear leader to idolize because the Gipper doesn't hold water




The comparisons between Obama and Reagan were inevitable. Reagan took over from Jimmy Carter and inherited an economy that was in shambles. Obama

Uh actually those are lies that have been spread by the CIA media ever since Reagan left office.Carter was the one that took over an economy that was in shambles thanks to the prvious administration.By the time carter left,the ecomony was actually booming.Inflation was high but the ecomony was doing great under Carter.

Reagan got in and after his first term like you said,we were no better off that we were under Carter.It was Carters appointee Paul volker who turned the economy around in Reagans second term.Thanks to carter and his appointee,the economy turned around.Reagn just took the credit for it all.

"Unpopular Reagan 1984 Map"

Count 'em he won 56 of our 57 states

showing the reading comprehension problems you have as always I see a normal trait with reagan trolls.

I made it perfectly clear Reagan was unpopular DURING his time while in office,not before idiot. oh and elections are rigged-have been for DECADES,even my hero Jfk I can acknowledge unlike you can with reagan,I can even admit he stole the election from Nixon.

you however will never acknowledge elections have been rigged as far back as Hoovers days at least which included reagan stealing it from carter.

oh and when dante pointed those facts out to you,you even acknowleded it back then saying-"it was a good thing reagan did not listen to the people,"shall I find that quote of yours? I will be more than happy to do so if you wish.hee hee.

as always,you demostrate what a joke you are and your hypocrisy acknowleding back then to dante that he was unpopular with the people,and then when I mention that,you get desperate and try and say he was popular after saying he wasnt.what a total troll you are.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

so much for the lies spread by the reagan trolls here that he made the economy flourish.

these links of course will go ignored by the reagan trolls.

Consortiumnews.com

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/the-reagan-ruins_b_816820.html

oh and you reagan trolls might try and read these two books here which we all know you wont.especially reagans cousin retard frank and that zionist paid shill thats penetrated this site.

https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1868/t/12126/shop/shop.jsp?storefront_KEY=1037

I know the progressive lies about Reagan back and forth.

Reagan didn't revive the economy, someone else did that.

Reagan didn't defeat the USSR they just coincidentally decided to tear down the Berlin Wall and free Eastern Europe

Oh Reagan raised taxes

Reagan never cut the budget

Fucking boring

 

[Camp]

March 16, 1984 Fuck Ronald Reagan

 

[Dot Com]

I find it amusing that so many progressives on this board are willing to invest this much effort in an attempt to rip Ronald Reagan's reputation to shreds twenty plus years after he left office.

You could see this coming a mile off though...

The comparisons between Obama and Reagan were inevitable. Reagan took over from Jimmy Carter and inherited an economy that was in shambles. Obama took over from W. with an economy also in shambles. Each man had VASTLY different solutions to the problems that faced them. Each man had a completely different way of dealing with opposition to their agendas.

In the early points of the Obama Administration, Barry's supporters repeatedly made the valid point that unemployment was up in the early stages of Reagan's first term and public approval of his approach to the economic crisis was low. Give Obama the same amount of time and you'll see that HIS policies are going to create the same results as Reagan's. Give Obama time and he'll grow the economy and cut unemployment just as Reagan did!

The problem that Obama supporters have is that Obama's economic "plan" was put into action over five years ago...we've spent an unprecedented amount of money on it...and the economy simply hasn't responded. Growth is anemic and unemployment levels have remained high. Let's face it, Kiddies...you don't invent a statistic like "jobs created or saved" if your economic policies are working. You come up with that if they are NOT working.

At this point in Reagan's second term the country was experiencing strong economic growth and people felt good about the future because they believed that Reagan had a plan and that his plan actually worked.

How many people out there HONESTLY believe that Barack Obama has a plan to fix the economy any more? How many of you even know who's running the show for Barry now that Larry Summers, Christina Romer and Austin Goolsby have all departed? Who's Barry's chief economist now? What is their economic plan going forward? Does anyone know? Does one exist at all?

I ask those questions because what I think is happening with strings like this, is that the left have given up even trying to defend the economic policies of this Administration because they haven't worked so far and nothing indicates that will change any time soon. So what is left? If you can't talk about the "successes" of your guy then the only thing left is to talk about the "failures" of the other side's guy. That's why there are so many Reagan attack strings being started by Obama supporters.

It is amusing what the Left has tried to do to Reagan.

It amazes me that many on the Left believe BJ Bubba Clinton was a great president and regularly commend him for balancing the budget (not his intention, but thanks to an R Congress, gets kudos for it) and growing the economy. Ignoring his lies, corruption, and treatment of women. These same Leftists ignore Reagan's economic successes, while criticizing him for deficits (thanks in part to a D Congress). They also refuse to criticize Big Ears for his abysmal economic record, explosion of debt, and terrible corruption.

The hypocrisy is beyond words!

do you wear socks? Thats a rhetorical question.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan freed people from the nightmare political economy that the American left wants to implement here; how can you debate that, what do you say to people so detached from reality

 

[Dot Com]

The last decent Repub Prez I can think of is TR.

 

[Camp]

Reagan freed people from the nightmare political economy that the American left wants to implement here; how can you debate that, what do you say to people so detached from reality

The 70's weren't a nightmare. Reagan didn't free people from a nightmare, he created one.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan freed people from the nightmare political economy that the American left wants to implement here; how can you debate that, what do you say to people so detached from reality

The 70's weren't a nightmare. Reagan didn't free people from a nightmare, he created one.

That's how absurd the naive American left is, you think people were better off as slaves under Communism

 

[Camp]

Reagan freed people from the nightmare political economy that the American left wants to implement here; how can you debate that, what do you say to people so detached from reality

The 70's weren't a nightmare. Reagan didn't free people from a nightmare, he created one.

That's how absurd the naive American left is, you think people were better off as slaves under Communism

I'm not the American left. America wasn't communist in the 70's. Boxes with our dead neighbors and countrymen were still coming home from fighting communist you jack ass. You are insinuating that those who fought in Vietnam were fighting for communism against other communist. Where do you get this stuff that floats around in your head? How old are you? Were you around during the 70's or 80's?

 

[Oldstyle]

Only stupid ignorant trolls like you and Frank defend the corruption of reagan.

The people that lived through it actually remember how bad things really were back then.

Its only the young brainwashed nutbags that listen to that idiot box in the living room and mouthpieces full of hot air like Rush Limbaugh who fueled it all right after he got out off office that believe all the lies made up that he did.

the ones that grew up during the Reagan era are the ones that remember how bad it was.you obviously did not despite your lies.

Your just as much of a fucking troll is that idiot retard frank is.The proof is in the pudding on that the way you worship the lies the CIA media has spun about him in the lamestream media all the years.

Dante proved it earlier posting facts that Reagans popularity throughout most of his two terms,that he was very unpopular with the american people.

Hate to break your heart idiot,but Jfk was easily the greatest president since Lincoln.Unlike your bastard murdering idol,he actually tried to get rid of the CIA like the patriot he was and paid the price for it.He was our last REAL president we had despite franks lies in his avatar.

The CIA is the reason WHY the world is in the mess it is today and Obama just like every president since that bastard reagan,has been following the gippers footsteps sending jobs overseas and betraying the middle class.


STOP THE RW PREVARICATING!!! The Gipper was a tax-raisin', terrist armin', death squad fundin', deficit spender. Accept it and choose another rw dear leader to idolize because the Gipper doesn't hold water




The comparisons between Obama and Reagan were inevitable. Reagan took over from Jimmy Carter and inherited an economy that was in shambles. Obama

Uh actually those are lies that have been spread by the CIA media ever since Reagan left office.Carter was the one that took over an economy that was in shambles thanks to the prvious administration.By the time carter left,the ecomony was actually booming.Inflation was high but the ecomony was doing great under Carter.

Reagan got in and after his first term like you said,we were no better off that we were under Carter.It was Carters appointee Paul volker who turned the economy around in Reagans second term.Thanks to carter and his appointee,the economy turned around.Reagn just took the credit for it all.

"Unpopular Reagan 1984 Map"

Count 'em he won 56 of our 57 states

showing the reading comprehension problems you have as always I see a normal trait with reagan trolls.

I made it perfectly clear Reagan was unpopular DURING his time while in office,not before idiot. oh and elections are rigged-have been for DECADES,even my hero Jfk I can acknowledge unlike you can with reagan,I can even admit he stole the election from Nixon.

you however will never acknowledge elections have been rigged as far back as Hoovers days at least which included reagan stealing it from carter.

oh and when dante pointed those facts out to you,you even acknowleded it back then saying-"it was a good thing reagan did not listen to the people,"shall I find that quote of yours? I will be more than happy to do so if you wish.hee hee.

as always,you demostrate what a joke you are and your hypocrisy acknowleding back then to dante that he was unpopular with the people,and then when I mention that,you get desperate and try and say he was popular after saying he wasnt.what a total troll you are.

Ah, Sparky? That map is from the election leading to Reagan's 2nd term! How do you correlate THAT with your claim that Reagan was unpopular DURING his time in office? Reagan was incredibly popular DURING his time in office. His landslide victory over Mondale illustrates that fact. Now do yourself a favor and go do some RESEARCH on these things before you embarrass yourself further....

 

[Jroc]

so much for the lies spread by the reagan trolls here that he made the economy flourish.

these links of course will go ignored by the reagan trolls.

Consortiumnews.com

Robert L. Borosage: The Reagan Ruins

oh and you reagan trolls might try and read these two books here which we all know you wont.especially reagans cousin retard frank and that zionist paid shill thats penetrated this site.

https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1868/t/12126/shop/shop.jsp?storefront_KEY=1037

Stick to the conspiracy room loon...Thats where all the nutjobs belong