Religion: The clear and present danger of our time

[Hollie]

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You might want to examine the facts of the political and social dynamics of the late '50's, early '60's to understand the civil rights movement.

You might want to take your own advice.

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You might want to examine the facts of the political and social dynamics of the late '50's, early '60's to understand the civil rights movement.

You might want to take your own advice.

Well, far be it from me to shatter your religious fundamentalism but a snappy cut and paste paragraph hardly does justice to a remarkable decade in time of this nation. Your hope to enlist Christianity as a factor that drove the civil rights movement is a laughable joke. You seem to have missed the fact that the Bible Belt thumpers were the reason segregation lasted as long as it did.

The '60's represented a decade of enormous social activism and the widest possible expression of music, the arts, public involvement in politics by young people. During the awakening social conciseness of U.S. in the 1960’s, young people in huge numbers joined the Peace Corps and went overseas to assist in under-developed nations. The Peace Corps was not a religious entity but it did have a draw and it appealed to that 60’s era, post John F. Kennedy theme of unselfish, altruistic behavior.

As Tom Hayden noted in March 1962, "Three out of every four students believe 'that what the nation needs is a strong leader in whom we can have faith.'" The embryonic youth movement hoped that [John F.] Kennedy might prove to be that leader. The Peace Corps, and later VISTA, drew volunteers from the same wellspring of youthful activism....When the Student Peace Union, or SPU, protested in front of the White House in February 1962, Kennedy ordered his kitchen to send the picketers coffee while the SPU proudly distributed copies of a New York Times article which claimed that the president was "listening" to them.

Rather than try and pump up your your gawds and the good Christian folk who enabled and abetted segregation, maybe learn a bit of history.

 

[Picaro]

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You might want to examine the facts of the political and social dynamics of the late '50's, early '60's to understand the civil rights movement.

You might want to take your own advice.

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You might want to examine the facts of the political and social dynamics of the late '50's, early '60's to understand the civil rights movement.

You might want to take your own advice.

Well, far be it from me to shatter your religious fundamentalism but a snappy cut and paste paragraph hardly does justice to a remarkable decade in time of this nation. Your hope to enlist Christianity as a factor that drove the civil rights movement is a laughable joke. You seem to have missed the fact that the Bible Belt thumpers were the reason segregation lasted as long as it did.

I'm not religious, nor a 'fundamentalist'; I grew up in that era. Don't pretend you can school anybody about the era; you're obviously just indulging in the usual Xian bashing gibberish. One obvious example is your complete silence on northern segregation, which of course means you're just bashing southerners, most likely as part of an agenda, not any discussions about the history of the era. You don't have any credibility as some sort of 'scholar' on the times.

The '60's represented a decade of enormous social activism and the widest possible expression of music, the arts, public involvement in politics by young people. During the awakening social conciseness of U.S. in the 1960’s, young people in huge numbers joined the Peace Corps and went overseas to assist in under-developed nations. The Peace Corps was not a religious entity but it did have a draw and it appealed to that 60’s era, post John F. Kennedy theme of unselfish, altruistic behavior.

Lol ... nothing to do with the topic, but I guess you need the filler, not having a real point. Like I said, I grew up then; most of this 'social activism' was just ego tripping, and almost that entire generation got bored with it and moved on to disco and cocaine. After the war was over, they weren't in any real danger of having to be treated like common proles and being drafted, so they promptly forgot all the gibberish they hid behind as a cover for merely being occupied with their own self-indulgent fashions.

As Tom Hayden noted in March 1962, "Three out of every four students believe 'that what the nation needs is a strong leader in whom we can have faith.'" The embryonic youth movement hoped that [John F.] Kennedy might prove to be that leader. The Peace Corps, and later VISTA, drew volunteers from the same wellspring of youthful activism....When the Student Peace Union, or SPU, protested in front of the White House in February 1962, Kennedy ordered his kitchen to send the picketers coffee while the SPU proudly distributed copies of a New York Times article which claimed that the president was "listening" to them.

lol .. the guy married a movie star for money, and avoided getting a real job. yes, he's a real example of altruism and moral superiority. I can fully understand why you think these con artists are great ...

Rather than try and pump up your your gawds and the good Christian folk who enabled and abetted segregation, maybe learn a bit of history.

lol ... Again, try to follow your own advice. You don't know shit.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

That's utterly ridiculous.

Yes, because of the moral relativism of it all. Christianity is arguably a plus. I would certainly argue it. Islam is a murderous mandate.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I expect to see Christian extremists become increasingly violent and overt in the next few years much as Islam is now.

More like you hope for it to validate your bold faced lies.

 

[Hollie]

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You might want to examine the facts of the political and social dynamics of the late '50's, early '60's to understand the civil rights movement.

You might want to take your own advice.

[


You might want to examine the facts of the political and social dynamics of the late '50's, early '60's to understand the civil rights movement.

You might want to take your own advice.

Well, far be it from me to shatter your religious fundamentalism but a snappy cut and paste paragraph hardly does justice to a remarkable decade in time of this nation. Your hope to enlist Christianity as a factor that drove the civil rights movement is a laughable joke. You seem to have missed the fact that the Bible Belt thumpers were the reason segregation lasted as long as it did.

I'm not religious, nor a 'fundamentalist'; I grew up in that era. Don't pretend you can school anybody about the era; you're obviously just indulging in the usual Xian bashing gibberish. One obvious example is your complete silence on northern segregation, which of course means you're just bashing southerners, most likely as part of an agenda, not any discussions about the history of the era. You don't have any credibility as some sort of 'scholar' on the times.

The '60's represented a decade of enormous social activism and the widest possible expression of music, the arts, public involvement in politics by young people. During the awakening social conciseness of U.S. in the 1960’s, young people in huge numbers joined the Peace Corps and went overseas to assist in under-developed nations. The Peace Corps was not a religious entity but it did have a draw and it appealed to that 60’s era, post John F. Kennedy theme of unselfish, altruistic behavior.

Lol ... nothing to do with the topic, but I guess you need the filler, not having a real point. Like I said, I grew up then; most of this 'social activism' was just ego tripping, and almost that entire generation got bored with it and moved on to disco and cocaine. After the war was over, they weren't in any real danger of having to be treated like common proles and being drafted, so they promptly forgot all the gibberish they hid behind as a cover for merely being occupied with their own self-indulgent fashions.

As Tom Hayden noted in March 1962, "Three out of every four students believe 'that what the nation needs is a strong leader in whom we can have faith.'" The embryonic youth movement hoped that [John F.] Kennedy might prove to be that leader. The Peace Corps, and later VISTA, drew volunteers from the same wellspring of youthful activism....When the Student Peace Union, or SPU, protested in front of the White House in February 1962, Kennedy ordered his kitchen to send the picketers coffee while the SPU proudly distributed copies of a New York Times article which claimed that the president was "listening" to them.

lol .. the guy married a movie star for money, and avoided getting a real job. yes, he's a real example of altruism and moral superiority. I can fully understand why you think these con artists are great ...

Rather than try and pump up your your gawds and the good Christian folk who enabled and abetted segregation, maybe learn a bit of history.

lol ... Again, try to follow your own advice. You don't know shit.

That was a lot of backtracking and sidestepping as you have abandoned any attempt to defend your religious fundamentalism with the pointless meme that Christianity had a meaningful role in the civil rights movement.

Actually, I know enough shit to recognize a pompous blowhard who can't defend an argument.

 

[Correll]

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

Nothing in your long cut and paste supports your claim that the christian church had any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

Why are you lying and avoiding simple questions?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

Nothing in your long cut and paste supports your claim that the christian church had any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

Why are you lying and avoiding simple questions?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

A single organization.

LOL! It is an alliance of organizations (churches) leaderships.

Every member was not just an individual, but a leader of a church.

You don't think that they spoke politics from their pulpits? That they didn't lead their congregations, organize, recruit operatives from?

Do you consider yourself a liberal? DO you believe in diversity?

 

[there4eyeM]

Rigid adherence to any ideology, religion or other preconception is a blight on the human spirit.

 

[Hollie]

Nothing in your long cut and paste supports your claim that the christian church had any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

Why are you lying and avoiding simple questions?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

Nothing in your long cut and paste supports your claim that the christian church had any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

Why are you lying and avoiding simple questions?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

A single organization.

LOL! It is an alliance of organizations (churches) leaderships.

Every member was not just an individual, but a leader of a church.

You don't think that they spoke politics from their pulpits? That they didn't lead their congregations, organize, recruit operatives from?

Do you consider yourself a liberal? DO you believe in diversity?

LOL! Nothing you have cut and pasted has done anything to support your claim that the church had a meaningful role in the civil rights movement. I've already spelled out that it was an awakening social consciousness during the early 1960's, in great measure nurtured by JFK, that drove the equal rights movement.

Why make such a vacuous claim when it was you Bible Belt thumpers who worked so hard to maintain segregation?

 

[Correll]

Why are you lying and avoiding simple questions?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

Why are you lying and avoiding simple questions?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

A single organization.

LOL! It is an alliance of organizations (churches) leaderships.

Every member was not just an individual, but a leader of a church.

You don't think that they spoke politics from their pulpits? That they didn't lead their congregations, organize, recruit operatives from?

Do you consider yourself a liberal? DO you believe in diversity?

LOL! Nothing you have cut and pasted has done anything to support your claim that the church had a meaningful role in the civil rights movement. I've already spelled out that it was an awakening social consciousness during the early 1960's, in great measure nurtured by JFK, that drove the equal rights movement.

Why make such a vacuous claim when it was you Bible Belt thumpers who worked so hard to maintain segregation?

"Awakening Social Consciousness"?

That's nice and vague.

JFK was President for two years.

THe Black Churches were the center of black communities and the leaders of those churches led their flocks in the Civil Rights era.

The segregationalists had the Democratic Party and the Southern State Governments. They did not need CHurchs or church leaders to organize them, they were already organized. THey already had the laws in place way before the struggle began in earnest.

Do you consider yourself a liberal? DO you believe in diversity?

 

[PostmodernProph]

I've already spelled out

auwquard missteak......

 

[sealybobo]

Anybody who seriously claims Christian churches didn't have anything to do with the civil rights marches is either completely ignorant or lying; there is no middle ground.

If you look at the great social movements of American politics, not only the movement that led to the founding, which was driven in part by the First Great Awakening, but the movements that led to the temperance movement, the suffragette movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-slavery movement, there were not only waves of religious revival that often preceded and sometimes accompanied these movements, but the arguments in favor of these causes were made in explicitly religious terms…If you were to subtract the influence of Christianity from the west, what would be left? If you were to subtract it from America, no founding; no Declaration of Independence; no anti-slavery movement; no civil rights movement.

Dinesh D'Souza

what percent of white America participated in the civil rights movement a 1 percent?

 

[sealybobo]

Christianity and Islam represent the single greatest threat to our planet. Islam, for all its overt violence and quirky cultural traditions is at least overt and a known quantity. But Christianity, posing itself as warm and fluffy is much more insidious as the recent Duggar revelations show. I'm beginning to wonder if they're actually watching how Islam works and beginning to adopt Islamic practices in order to gain the kind of power Islam wields.

No one dares mock Mohammed, the Qur'an, or Islam itself (except online heh,) for fear of violent reprisals. But that kind of fear doesn't extend to Christianity. And I think they've noticed, and envy Islam for the fear it generates and would like to become more like them.

I expect to see Christian extremists become increasingly violent and overt in the next few years much as Islam is now.

I agree that Islam is dangerous. But true Christianity has never been a threat to anyone. If people were to apply true Christianity to their lives, the world would be a peaceful place. Problem is that you have imperfect people. Many religions teach true principles and are not to blame for the actions of all their (so called) followers. How many of the religions in the world teach violence toward their fellow human beings? This same problem exists among all peoples whether they are religious, atheist, or agnostic.

neither has true Islam what the hell is true Christianity anyways?

 

[sealybobo]

Why are you lying and avoiding simple questions?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

Why are you lying and avoiding simple questions?

1. Yes, it did.

2. Do you consider yourself a liberal? Do you support Diversity?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

A single organization.

LOL! It is an alliance of organizations (churches) leaderships.

Every member was not just an individual, but a leader of a church.

You don't think that they spoke politics from their pulpits? That they didn't lead their congregations, organize, recruit operatives from?

Do you consider yourself a liberal? DO you believe in diversity?

LOL! Nothing you have cut and pasted has done anything to support your claim that the church had a meaningful role in the civil rights movement. I've already spelled out that it was an awakening social consciousness during the early 1960's, in great measure nurtured by JFK, that drove the equal rights movement.

Why make such a vacuous claim when it was you Bible Belt thumpers who worked so hard to maintain segregation?

in 20 years they're going to take credit for being open minded about gays

 

[Picaro]

Anybody who seriously claims Christian churches didn't have anything to do with the civil rights marches is either completely ignorant or lying; there is no middle ground.

If you look at the great social movements of American politics, not only the movement that led to the founding, which was driven in part by the First Great Awakening, but the movements that led to the temperance movement, the suffragette movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-slavery movement, there were not only waves of religious revival that often preceded and sometimes accompanied these movements, but the arguments in favor of these causes were made in explicitly religious terms…If you were to subtract the influence of Christianity from the west, what would be left? If you were to subtract it from America, no founding; no Declaration of Independence; no anti-slavery movement; no civil rights movement.

Dinesh D'Souza

what percent of white America participated in the civil rights movement a 1 percent?

Given the demographics in those days, it would have been pretty much impossible for a large percentage of whites to not have been supportive of the movement, but don't let that keep you from sniveling about anything.

 

[Hollie]

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

You should read the material you cut and paste. Nothing in the wiki cut and paste identifies the christian church having any meaningful involvement with the civil rights movement.

What do you consider the Southern Christian Leadership Conference?

A single organization.

LOL! It is an alliance of organizations (churches) leaderships.

Every member was not just an individual, but a leader of a church.

You don't think that they spoke politics from their pulpits? That they didn't lead their congregations, organize, recruit operatives from?

Do you consider yourself a liberal? DO you believe in diversity?

LOL! Nothing you have cut and pasted has done anything to support your claim that the church had a meaningful role in the civil rights movement. I've already spelled out that it was an awakening social consciousness during the early 1960's, in great measure nurtured by JFK, that drove the equal rights movement.

Why make such a vacuous claim when it was you Bible Belt thumpers who worked so hard to maintain segregation?

"Awakening Social Consciousness"?

That's nice and vague.

JFK was President for two years.

THe Black Churches were the center of black communities and the leaders of those churches led their flocks in the Civil Rights era.

The segregationalists had the Democratic Party and the Southern State Governments. They did not need CHurchs or church leaders to organize them, they were already organized. THey already had the laws in place way before the struggle began in earnest.

Do you consider yourself a liberal? DO you believe in diversity?

There's nothing vague at all about the awakening social consciousness that was a part of the 1960's. I spelled it out for you earlier and you chose to sidestep my comments.

It's clear you can't define what churches were "organized" as clearly, the church had no meaningful impact during the civil rights movement. Those good southern bible beaters were too busy promoting segregation to make any meaningful steps to correct it.

 

[Hollie]

I've already spelled out

auwquard missteak......

Typical jibberish from the YEC'ist loon.

 

[sealybobo]

Anybody who seriously claims Christian churches didn't have anything to do with the civil rights marches is either completely ignorant or lying; there is no middle ground.

If you look at the great social movements of American politics, not only the movement that led to the founding, which was driven in part by the First Great Awakening, but the movements that led to the temperance movement, the suffragette movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-slavery movement, there were not only waves of religious revival that often preceded and sometimes accompanied these movements, but the arguments in favor of these causes were made in explicitly religious terms…If you were to subtract the influence of Christianity from the west, what would be left? If you were to subtract it from America, no founding; no Declaration of Independence; no anti-slavery movement; no civil rights movement.

Dinesh D'Souza

what percent of white America participated in the civil rights movement a 1 percent?

Given the demographics in those days, it would have been pretty much impossible for a large percentage of whites to not have been supportive of the movement, but don't let that keep you from sniveling about anything.

how did we end up with slavery in the first place I thought America was founded by Christians

 

[Hollie]

Anybody who seriously claims Christian churches didn't have anything to do with the civil rights marches is either completely ignorant or lying; there is no middle ground.

If you look at the great social movements of American politics, not only the movement that led to the founding, which was driven in part by the First Great Awakening, but the movements that led to the temperance movement, the suffragette movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-slavery movement, there were not only waves of religious revival that often preceded and sometimes accompanied these movements, but the arguments in favor of these causes were made in explicitly religious terms…If you were to subtract the influence of Christianity from the west, what would be left? If you were to subtract it from America, no founding; no Declaration of Independence; no anti-slavery movement; no civil rights movement.

Dinesh D'Souza

what percent of white America participated in the civil rights movement a 1 percent?

Given the demographics in those days, it would have been pretty much impossible for a large percentage of whites to not have been supportive of the movement, but don't let that keep you from sniveling about anything.

how did we end up with slavery in the first place I thought America was founded by Christians

America is a christian nation™

Tell your friends.

 

[sealybobo]

Anybody who seriously claims Christian churches didn't have anything to do with the civil rights marches is either completely ignorant or lying; there is no middle ground.

If you look at the great social movements of American politics, not only the movement that led to the founding, which was driven in part by the First Great Awakening, but the movements that led to the temperance movement, the suffragette movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-slavery movement, there were not only waves of religious revival that often preceded and sometimes accompanied these movements, but the arguments in favor of these causes were made in explicitly religious terms…If you were to subtract the influence of Christianity from the west, what would be left? If you were to subtract it from America, no founding; no Declaration of Independence; no anti-slavery movement; no civil rights movement.

Dinesh D'Souza

what percent of white America participated in the civil rights movement a 1 percent?

Given the demographics in those days, it would have been pretty much impossible for a large percentage of whites to not have been supportive of the movement, but don't let that keep you from sniveling about anything.

how did we end up with slavery in the first place I thought America was founded by Christians

America is a christian nation™

Tell your friends.

the other day my father got mad at me and said I was stupid if I didn't think something created us I said is that all he believes anything else he wants to tell me? am I going to hell if I don't believe that? he said no to all of those things so then I said that it doesn't matter what I believe does it?

I kept trying to explain to him that he is coming up with an answer or solution to a question based on ignorance maybe there is a creator but you can't prove it so don't say anyone who does not believe is stupid

 

[sealybobo]

Anybody who seriously claims Christian churches didn't have anything to do with the civil rights marches is either completely ignorant or lying; there is no middle ground.

If you look at the great social movements of American politics, not only the movement that led to the founding, which was driven in part by the First Great Awakening, but the movements that led to the temperance movement, the suffragette movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-slavery movement, there were not only waves of religious revival that often preceded and sometimes accompanied these movements, but the arguments in favor of these causes were made in explicitly religious terms…If you were to subtract the influence of Christianity from the west, what would be left? If you were to subtract it from America, no founding; no Declaration of Independence; no anti-slavery movement; no civil rights movement.

Dinesh D'Souza

what percent of white America participated in the civil rights movement a 1 percent?

Given the demographics in those days, it would have been pretty much impossible for a large percentage of whites to not have been supportive of the movement, but don't let that keep you from sniveling about anything.

think of yourselves back during the civil rights movement similar to how you are now with gay peopl. are you going to say 20 or 30 years from now that it would have been impossible for gays to achieve equality if it weren't for you Christians? unbelievable