Religious Tolerance: Church kicks whole family out for supporting their gay daughter

[007]

So gays wanting to marry is the same as Jim Crow Laws.
Who is being abused by gays being allowed to marry?

Children!

Bull shit.

Bull shit if you think that indoctrinating young, impressionable children into the disgusting, perverted life style of butt fucking homosexuality is fine and dandy.

Otherwise it's not bull shit.

 

[LittleNipper]

So gays wanting to marry is the same as Jim Crow Laws.
Who is being abused by gays being allowed to marry?

Children!

Bull shit.

Exactly, that is what homosexuality feeds on and feeds to children. It is the ultimate example of pride in the promotion of same......... Confusion of sex. Confusion of roles, Confusion of purpose. Confusion of good and bad. Confusion of clean and filthy. Confusion of God's intent or the exclusion of Him all together.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Oh? What does "Publicly repent for their sins in front of the church's congregation and ask for God's forgiveness -- or leave the church" mean to you? What was their "sin" other than supporting their daughter?

homosexuality is a sin . and I will bet you that's b******* they ask them to do that. never once did say they were going to kick them out of the church either. should take your lying b******* and go bug somebody else

They weren't gay, their daughter was so what is their sin? Do all sinners have to go before the congregation and ask forgiveness or leave? How much you want to bet there are more than a few divorcees attending the church. That's a "sin" or so I've heard. Repent in public for a "sin" they didn't actually commit or leave the church. Sure smells like being kicked out.

Christian animosity toward homosexuals is not Christian, and indeed a sin.

Hatred of homosexuals is a human failing, forbidden by Christian dogma, which teaches love for one’s fellow man.

In this many Christians clearly fail.

 

[LittleNipper]

Most every parent I know wants what is best for their child/children. I know of no (sane) parent who would wish homosexuality on a dog let alone their own children. They want their sons to eventually be husbands and fathers and their little girls to be wives and mothers. I know of no mommy or daddy who wants their little baby to grow to be a ding dong sucker or a butt poker. And yet this is what the liberal element in this country seems to forget or cast aside without any regard for the children. Ignorance is bliss to the ignorant.

 

[Esmeralda]

After same-sex couple victory in Collegedale, church ousts gay detective's family | timesfreepress.com

Collegedale's decision to grant benefits to same-sex couples was a victory for Kat Cooper, a gay detective who championed the months-long effort that made the Chattanooga suburb the first city in Tennessee to offer benefits to same-sex spouses of its government employees.

Cooper's mother, Linda, stood by her side throughout the process. She held tight to her daughter's hand at a July meeting over the issue. And the two embraced after the City Council's 4-1 vote on Aug. 5.

But those small acts of support translated into collateral damage that left Linda Cooper and other relatives separated from their church family of more than 60 years. And one local advocate for gay families says the church's stance was the most extreme he's heard of in years.

Leaders at Ridgedale Church of Christ met in private with Kat Cooper's mother, aunt and uncle on Sunday after the regular worship service. They were given an ultimatum: They could repent for their sins and ask forgiveness in front of the congregation. Or leave the church.

Copyright violation edited.

God hates fags....

Every time I read shit like this I just think about "all God's children." Jesus Christ believed that we are all God's children. A true Christian would not do what people like this are doing.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Jim Crow laws were found constitutional also, I am willing to argue against both as abuse of government power, you want to pretend only one of them is wrong.

So gays wanting to marry is the same as Jim Crow Laws.
Who is being abused by gays being allowed to marry?

Children!

Ignorant, hateful, nonsense.

In Perry, proponents of Proposition 8 failed to provide any shred of evidence in support of the notion that children living in same-sex families suffered any ill-effects.

Indeed, the idea is completely discredited by the fact that in all 50 states same-sex couples are allowed to adopt, where in all such adoptions all the children were found to be completely mentally, emotionally, and physically healthy.

 

[LittleNipper]

homosexuality is a sin . and I will bet you that's b******* they ask them to do that. never once did say they were going to kick them out of the church either. should take your lying b******* and go bug somebody else

They weren't gay, their daughter was so what is their sin? Do all sinners have to go before the congregation and ask forgiveness or leave? How much you want to bet there are more than a few divorcees attending the church. That's a "sin" or so I've heard. Repent in public for a "sin" they didn't actually commit or leave the church. Sure smells like being kicked out.

Christian animosity toward homosexuals is not Christian, and indeed a sin.

Hatred of homosexuals is a human failing, forbidden by Christian dogma, which teaches love for one’s fellow man.

In this many Christians clearly fail.

Sin is sin according to God's Word and not according to your values or opinions. Love the sinner but hate the sin is what Christianity is actually about. I hate my own sins as a Christian. I do not celebrate them.
NOW, the reality is that liberals hate the messenger, as well as the message. They hate those they disagree with. They do not say, "I disagree with your opinion." They say, "You are a hate monger. You should be dragged through the streets and peed on. Your values are as outdated as you are." Note the difference. One is critical of a deed or a way of thinking, while the other is critical of the person. This is because liberals actually seem to think that their smarter, wiser and more open. They fact is that they are proving themselves the total opposite.

 

[paperview]

For thousands of years, the bible was used to justify slavery, wife-beating, condemning "witches" to death, denying women the vote, or even any position of power; it was used to justify wars, genocide, segregation, child abuse and the divine right of kings. I could go on and on.
The bible is also used to justify the bigotry against homosexuals.

Time moves on and but some folks will always use that book to deny rights to others.

Always was. Always will be. Eventually, enough people see how ridiculous it is, and things change.

 

[LittleNipper]

I do not think that homosexual adoption has been happening formally for very long . There is no way to gauge if a child has been harmed in one way or another unless one actually asks what the child believes as he/she matures and grows to become a parent. However, it is clear that what one thinks is okay another may see in a totally different light. Please see the following: LifeSiteNews Mobile | Model gay adoptive ?fathers? sexually abused 6-year-old for years: offered him to pedophile ring

 

[007]

For thousands of years, the bible was used to justify slavery, wife-beating, condemning "witches" to death, denying women the vote, or even any position of power; it was used to justify wars, genocide, segregation, child abuse and the divine right of kings. I could go on and on.
The bible is also used to justify the bigotry against homosexuals.

Time moves on and but some folks will always use that book to deny rights to others.

Always was. Always will be. Eventually, enough people see how ridiculous it is, and things change.

Translation: Man wants to create his own morals and no longer pay attention to God, which in turn is always in the direction of more and more evil and moral depravity and perversion.

 

[LittleNipper]

For thousands of years, the bible was used to justify slavery, wife-beating, condemning "witches" to death, denying women the vote, or even any position of power; it was used to justify wars, genocide, segregation, child abuse and the divine right of kings. I could go on and on.
The bible is also used to justify the bigotry against homosexuals.

Time moves on and but some folks will always use that book to deny rights to others.

Always was. Always will be. Eventually, enough people see how ridiculous it is, and things change.

The Bible doesn't condone wife beating. Fornicators and pimps do. Christian virture ended slavery and not liberalism nor atheism. And more Christians died at the hands of those who wanted to control Christianity then died for sorcery. Homosexuality is a sin. The same as murder, rape, stealing, fornication, adultery, hate, slander, gossip, idolatry, gluttony. And yet the real bigot would insist that his own indulgences are not as evil as those committed by others and even worthy of social approval....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Public Accommodation laws have been found Constitutional. Information is not advocacy.

Jim Crow laws were found constitutional also, I am willing to argue against both as abuse of government power, you want to pretend only one of them is wrong.

So gays wanting to marry is the same as Jim Crow Laws.
Who is being abused by gays being allowed to marry?

I don't know how you jumped from public accommodation to gay marraige, but no one ever said your brain worked.

 

[Seawytch]

Yes there are.

And yet your post shows an appalling lack of them.

Do you define an appalling lack as me shoving numerous examples down your throat and you pretending you didn't say what you said?

No, you have not provided a single case of a Christian being denied the right to practice his faith. You provided a couple that had to do with Public Accommodation...which the SCOTUS has upheld. They have also upheld the right to associate for groups like the BSA.

Churches won't be forced to marry the gays no matter how often you lie about it.

 

[Seawytch]

I do not think that homosexual adoption has been happening formally for very long . There is no way to gauge if a child has been harmed in one way or another unless one actually asks what the child believes as he/she matures and grows to become a parent. However, it is clear that what one thinks is okay another may see in a totally different light. Please see the following: LifeSiteNews Mobile | Model gay adoptive ?fathers? sexually abused 6-year-old for years: offered him to pedophile ring

Gays have been adopting for decades...and we've been having our own children much longer than that.

Do you really want to go there? Do you not think I can find HUNDREDS of articles about how horrible straight children have been and are to children, especially foster children?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQQK2Vuf9Q"]Our Kids are fine[/ame]

 

[Seawytch]

For thousands of years, the bible was used to justify slavery, wife-beating, condemning "witches" to death, denying women the vote, or even any position of power; it was used to justify wars, genocide, segregation, child abuse and the divine right of kings. I could go on and on.
The bible is also used to justify the bigotry against homosexuals.

Time moves on and but some folks will always use that book to deny rights to others.

Always was. Always will be. Eventually, enough people see how ridiculous it is, and things change.

The Bible doesn't condone wife beating. Fornicators and pimps do. Christian virture ended slavery and not liberalism nor atheism. And more Christians died at the hands of those who wanted to control Christianity then died for sorcery. Homosexuality is a sin. The same as murder, rape, stealing, fornication, adultery, hate, slander, gossip, idolatry, gluttony. And yet the real bigot would insist that his own indulgences are not as evil as those committed by others and even worthy of social approval....

And still the bible was used to justify slavery and more...

Defenders of slavery noted that in the Bible, Abraham had slaves. They point to the Ten Commandments, noting that "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, ... nor his manservant, nor his maidservant." In the New Testament, Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master, and, although slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, Jesus never spoke out against it.

The Southern Argument for Slavery

For example, in 1832 Thomas Dew of Virginia argued that many of the patriarchs of the Old Testament, God's chosen people, owned slaves. God's covenant with Abraham was an agreement with a slaveowner. God even rewarded him by giving him more slaves.

Among the many Bible passages cited by Dew was this one from Leviticus 25:44-46: "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever."

The Bible was once used to justify slavery, too

Jesus wants you to beat your wife? The dangers of ‘Christian Domestic Discipline’

From the Christian Domestic Discipline website...

When administering physical discipline, take caution not to deliver the lashes anywhere but the buttocks. The first attempt at this punishment should only be delivered by hand so you can get an idea of how many lashings are needed. The best position will be for you to sit at the end of a bed or on a chair (with no arms) and have her lay across your lap. She can also bend over a bed with arms tucked under her chest and your left hand on the small of her back. If a strap (belt) is to be implemented watch that each stoke falls directly on the buttocks and not higher. EDITOR'S NOTE: When using the hand, or a small, short implement, such as a switch or small "hairbrush"-type paddle, over-the-knee positioning can work quite well.

 

[LittleNipper]

Ephesians 5:25 ►






Parallel Verses

New International Version
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

New Living Translation
For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her

English Standard Version
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

New American Standard Bible
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,

King James Bible
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her

International Standard Version
Husbands, love your wives as the Messiah loved the church and gave himself for it,

NET Bible
Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Husbands, love your wives, as The Messiah also loves his church and gave himself up for her sake,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Husbands, love your wives even as the Christ also loved the congregation {Gr. ekklesia � called out ones} and gave himself for her,

King James 2000 Bible
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

American King James Version
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

American Standard Version
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;

Douay-Rheims Bible
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it:

Darby Bible Translation
Husbands, love your own wives, even as the Christ also loved the assembly, and has delivered himself up for it,

English Revised Version
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;

Webster's Bible Translation
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Weymouth New Testament
Married men, love your wives, as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself up to death for her;

World English Bible
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the assembly, and gave himself up for it;

Young's Literal Translation
The husbands! love your own wives, as also the Christ did love the assembly, and did give himself for it,

Parallel Commentaries
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

5:22-33 The duty of wives is, submission to their husbands in the Lord, which includes honouring and obeying them, from a principle of love to them. The duty of husbands is to love their wives. The love of Christ to the church is an example, which is sincere, pure, and constant, notwithstanding her failures. Christ gave himself for the church, that he might sanctify it in this world, and glorify it in the next, that he might bestow on all his members a principle of holiness, and deliver them from the guilt, the pollution, and the dominion of sin, by those influences of the Holy Spirit, of which baptismal water was the outward sign. The church and believers will not be without spot or wrinkle till they come to glory. But those only who are sanctified now, shall be glorified hereafter. The words of Adam, mentioned by the apostle, are spoken literally of marriage; but they have also a hidden sense in them, relating to the union between Christ and his church. It was a kind of type, as having resemblance. There will be failures and defects on both sides, in the present state of human nature, yet this does not alter the relation. All the duties of marriage are included in unity and love. And while we adore and rejoice in the condescending love of Christ, let husbands and wives learn hence their duties to each other. Thus the worst evils would be prevented, and many painful effects would be avoided.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 25. - Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave himself for her. The husband's duty to the wife is enforced by another parallel - it ought to correspond to Christ's love for the Church. This parallel restores the balance; if it should seem hard for the wife to be in subjection, the spirit of love, Christ-like love, on the part of the husband makes the duty easy. Christ did not merely pity the Church, or merely desire her good, but loved her; her image was stamped on his heart and her name graven on his hands; he desired to have her for his companion, longing for a return of her affection, for the establishment of sympathy between her and him. And he gave himself for her (comp. ver. 2), showing that her happiness and welfare were dearer to him than his own - the true test of deep, real love.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Husbands, love your wives,.... Which consists in a strong and cordial affection for them; in a real delight and pleasure in them; in showing respect, and doing honour to them; in seeking their contentment, satisfaction, and pleasure; in a quiet, constant, and comfortable dwelling with them; in providing all things necessary for them; in protecting them from all injuries and abuses; in concealing their faults, and covering their infirmities; in entertaining the best opinion of their persons and actions; and in endeavouring to promote their spiritual good and welfare: this love ought to be hearty and sincere, and not feigned and selfish; it should be shown in private, as well as in public: it should be chaste and single, constant and perpetual; it should exceed that which is bore to neighbours, or even to parents, and should be equal to that a man bears to himself; though not so as to hinder, and break in upon love to God and Christ: many are the reasons why husbands should love their wives; they are given to be helps unto them; they are companions of them; they are wives of covenant; they are their own wives, yea, their own bodies, their own flesh, nay, as themselves; they are their image and their glory; and especially the example of Christ, in his love to his church and people, should engage to it:

even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it: See Gill on Ephesians 5:2; the Syriac and Ethiopic versions read, "his own church"; his bride and spouse, whom he betrothed to himself from all eternity, the Father having given her to him; and is no other than the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven, even all the elect of God.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

25. "Thou hast seen the measure of obedience; now hear also the measure of love. Do you wish your wife to obey you, as the Church is to obey Christ? Then have a solicitude for her as Christ had for the Church (Eph 5:23, "Himself the Saviour of the body"); and "if it be necessary to give thy life for her, or to be cut in ten thousand pieces, or to endure any other suffering whatever, do not refuse it; and if you suffer thus, not even so do you do what Christ has done; for you indeed do so being already united to her, but He did so for one that treated Him with aversion and hatred. As, therefore, He brought to His feet one that so treated Him, and that even wantonly spurned Him, by much tenderness of regard, not by threats, insults, and terror: so also do you act towards your wife, and though you see her disdainful and wantonly wayward, you will be able to bring her to your feet by much thoughtfulness for her, by love, by kindness. For no bound is more sovereign in binding than such bonds, especially in the case of husband and wife. For one may constrain a servant by fear, though not even he is so to be bound to you; for he may readily run away. But the companion of your life, the mother of your children, the basis of all your joy, you ought to bind to you, not by fear and threats, but by love and attachment" [Chrysostom].

gave himself—Greek, "gave Himself up."

for it—Translate, "for her." The relation of the Church to Christ is the ground of Christianity's having raised woman to her due place in the social scale, from which she was, and is, excluded in heathen lands.

Ephesians 5:25


Context

Wives and Husbands
…24But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,…

 

[Seawytch]

Ephesians 5:25 ►






Parallel Verses

New International Version
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

New Living Translation
For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her

English Standard Version
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

New American Standard Bible
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,

King James Bible
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her

International Standard Version
Husbands, love your wives as the Messiah loved the church and gave himself for it,

NET Bible
Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Husbands, love your wives, as The Messiah also loves his church and gave himself up for her sake,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Husbands, love your wives even as the Christ also loved the congregation {Gr. ekklesia � called out ones} and gave himself for her,

King James 2000 Bible
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

American King James Version
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

American Standard Version
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;

Douay-Rheims Bible
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it:

Darby Bible Translation
Husbands, love your own wives, even as the Christ also loved the assembly, and has delivered himself up for it,

English Revised Version
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;

Webster's Bible Translation
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Weymouth New Testament
Married men, love your wives, as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself up to death for her;

World English Bible
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the assembly, and gave himself up for it;

Young's Literal Translation
The husbands! love your own wives, as also the Christ did love the assembly, and did give himself for it,

Parallel Commentaries
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

5:22-33 The duty of wives is, submission to their husbands in the Lord, which includes honouring and obeying them, from a principle of love to them. The duty of husbands is to love their wives. The love of Christ to the church is an example, which is sincere, pure, and constant, notwithstanding her failures. Christ gave himself for the church, that he might sanctify it in this world, and glorify it in the next, that he might bestow on all his members a principle of holiness, and deliver them from the guilt, the pollution, and the dominion of sin, by those influences of the Holy Spirit, of which baptismal water was the outward sign. The church and believers will not be without spot or wrinkle till they come to glory. But those only who are sanctified now, shall be glorified hereafter. The words of Adam, mentioned by the apostle, are spoken literally of marriage; but they have also a hidden sense in them, relating to the union between Christ and his church. It was a kind of type, as having resemblance. There will be failures and defects on both sides, in the present state of human nature, yet this does not alter the relation. All the duties of marriage are included in unity and love. And while we adore and rejoice in the condescending love of Christ, let husbands and wives learn hence their duties to each other. Thus the worst evils would be prevented, and many painful effects would be avoided.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 25. - Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave himself for her. The husband's duty to the wife is enforced by another parallel - it ought to correspond to Christ's love for the Church. This parallel restores the balance; if it should seem hard for the wife to be in subjection, the spirit of love, Christ-like love, on the part of the husband makes the duty easy. Christ did not merely pity the Church, or merely desire her good, but loved her; her image was stamped on his heart and her name graven on his hands; he desired to have her for his companion, longing for a return of her affection, for the establishment of sympathy between her and him. And he gave himself for her (comp. ver. 2), showing that her happiness and welfare were dearer to him than his own - the true test of deep, real love.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Husbands, love your wives,.... Which consists in a strong and cordial affection for them; in a real delight and pleasure in them; in showing respect, and doing honour to them; in seeking their contentment, satisfaction, and pleasure; in a quiet, constant, and comfortable dwelling with them; in providing all things necessary for them; in protecting them from all injuries and abuses; in concealing their faults, and covering their infirmities; in entertaining the best opinion of their persons and actions; and in endeavouring to promote their spiritual good and welfare: this love ought to be hearty and sincere, and not feigned and selfish; it should be shown in private, as well as in public: it should be chaste and single, constant and perpetual; it should exceed that which is bore to neighbours, or even to parents, and should be equal to that a man bears to himself; though not so as to hinder, and break in upon love to God and Christ: many are the reasons why husbands should love their wives; they are given to be helps unto them; they are companions of them; they are wives of covenant; they are their own wives, yea, their own bodies, their own flesh, nay, as themselves; they are their image and their glory; and especially the example of Christ, in his love to his church and people, should engage to it:

even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it: See Gill on Ephesians 5:2; the Syriac and Ethiopic versions read, "his own church"; his bride and spouse, whom he betrothed to himself from all eternity, the Father having given her to him; and is no other than the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven, even all the elect of God.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

25. "Thou hast seen the measure of obedience; now hear also the measure of love. Do you wish your wife to obey you, as the Church is to obey Christ? Then have a solicitude for her as Christ had for the Church (Eph 5:23, "Himself the Saviour of the body"); and "if it be necessary to give thy life for her, or to be cut in ten thousand pieces, or to endure any other suffering whatever, do not refuse it; and if you suffer thus, not even so do you do what Christ has done; for you indeed do so being already united to her, but He did so for one that treated Him with aversion and hatred. As, therefore, He brought to His feet one that so treated Him, and that even wantonly spurned Him, by much tenderness of regard, not by threats, insults, and terror: so also do you act towards your wife, and though you see her disdainful and wantonly wayward, you will be able to bring her to your feet by much thoughtfulness for her, by love, by kindness. For no bound is more sovereign in binding than such bonds, especially in the case of husband and wife. For one may constrain a servant by fear, though not even he is so to be bound to you; for he may readily run away. But the companion of your life, the mother of your children, the basis of all your joy, you ought to bind to you, not by fear and threats, but by love and attachment" [Chrysostom].

gave himself—Greek, "gave Himself up."

for it—Translate, "for her." The relation of the Church to Christ is the ground of Christianity's having raised woman to her due place in the social scale, from which she was, and is, excluded in heathen lands.

Ephesians 5:25


Context

Wives and Husbands
…24But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,…

None of that changes what the bible has been used to justify, but thanks for playing.

 

[Gadawg73]

They weren't gay, their daughter was so what is their sin? Do all sinners have to go before the congregation and ask forgiveness or leave? How much you want to bet there are more than a few divorcees attending the church. That's a "sin" or so I've heard. Repent in public for a "sin" they didn't actually commit or leave the church. Sure smells like being kicked out.

Christian animosity toward homosexuals is not Christian, and indeed a sin.

Hatred of homosexuals is a human failing, forbidden by Christian dogma, which teaches love for one’s fellow man.

In this many Christians clearly fail.

Sin is sin according to God's Word and not according to your values or opinions. Love the sinner but hate the sin is what Christianity is actually about. I hate my own sins as a Christian. I do not celebrate them.
NOW, the reality is that liberals hate the messenger, as well as the message. They hate those they disagree with. They do not say, "I disagree with your opinion." They say, "You are a hate monger. You should be dragged through the streets and peed on. Your values are as outdated as you are." Note the difference. One is critical of a deed or a way of thinking, while the other is critical of the person. This is because liberals actually seem to think that their smarter, wiser and more open. They fact is that they are proving themselves the total opposite.

I own 3 businesses, one for 34 years, played a lot of ball in my day, vote Republican almost all the time, strong fiscal conservative, raised 3 kids, active in the community in all areas and am a Christian.
Sin has nothing to do with the law. Those are your beliefs only.
Do you believe eating ham sandwiches is a sin? How many ham sandwich eaters do you insult with your grandstanding of your religious beliefs?
Keep your so called values, beliefs and insults to yourself. Will give you a pass as it is obvious no one taught you that if you do not have something good to say about someone then be quiet.
You are the sole reason why we keep getting our asses kicked every election. I am a born winner, crossed the lines many times and started 3 businesses from scratch. I hate losing.
All you care about is spreading your religious dogma to back one group of folks you despise into a corner to make you feel better about yourself.
We got over that school boy nonsense years ago.
Religion has no place in politics. Gay folks deserve equal respect.

 

[Gadawg73]

Jim Crow laws were found constitutional also, I am willing to argue against both as abuse of government power, you want to pretend only one of them is wrong.

So gays wanting to marry is the same as Jim Crow Laws.
Who is being abused by gays being allowed to marry?

I don't know how you jumped from public accommodation to gay marraige, but no one ever said your brain worked.

Wedding cakes for gays getting married is a stretch for you I am sure.
I know your brain does not think that fast.

 

[Papageorgio]

Again, what law or laws has this church broken?

They church made a choice and the people that attended made the choice.

The religion taught in that church, no longer fits the parishioners that went there and they agreed to separate.

No laws or rights on either side were infringed upon?

So why is this a big deal?