Remembering Robert E. Lee: American Patriot and Southern Hero

[mgh80]

1) The South started a war over slavery. FACT.

2) Yes, Lee owned slaves, and even had slaves waiting on him as he fought the war to preserve, protect, defend, and expand Slavery.

Lee did NOT own slaves. His wife inherited slaves from her father. Lee said in a letter to his wife:

"In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former."

PS: This letter was from 1856, years BEFORE the Civil War. Lee did not fight for the South due to slavery, he did because of his loyalty for his state.

Remembering Robert E. Lee American Patriot and Southern Hero Page 3 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

I don't understand why you posted this link? I'm not trying to be sarcastic/a jerk I just don't get why you did?

Read it. Read the first link. I'm fully aware of the single letter to his wife, (like nearly 30 years ago -- I make my living in history) and that article does a good job explaining it.

If you're too tired to read, have a listen to the historian talk about Mythical Lee.

Your link was to the third page of this thread.....

edit: Out of curiosity if you're aware of the letter...how could you say the Lee was pro-slavery?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The pro-CSA loons are hysterical and hilarious.

No state had the right to secede.

SC had no legal right to interfere with the US transactions with its people in its own property (no, the property was not SC, it gave that right up).

The South rebelled and was executed rightfully by the North.

 

[paperview]

The link was to my post #149 in this thread. Read it.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The pro-CSA loons are hysterical and hilarious.

No state had the right to secede.

SC had no legal right to interfere with the US transactions with its people in its own property (no, the property was not SC, it gave that right up).

The South rebelled and was executed rightfully by the North.

The shit you sycophants say is just deplorable. Not that it is shocking. Especially from a progressive authoritarian like you, Fake.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Robert E. Lee was a great American. He deserves a holiday

CIVIL WAR OP-ED Remembering Robert E. Lee American Patriot and Southern Hero Huntington News

Sir Winston Churchill called General Robert E. Lee, “one of the noblest Americans who ever lived.”

Please let me call to your attention that Monday, January 19, 2015, is the 208th birthday of Robert E. Lee, whose memory is still dear in the hearts of many Southerners. Why is this man so honored in the South and respected in the North? Lee was even respected by the soldiers of Union blue who fought against him during the War Between the States.

What is your community doing to commemorate the birthday of this great American?

General Lee’s portrait adorns the State Capitol in Atlanta where the Georgia Division Sons of Confederate Veterans hosted their 1st Lee birthday in 1988. The SCV will host their annual Robert E. Lee birthday celebration on Saturday January 17, 2015 at Georgia’s Old Secession Capitol on Greene Street in Milledgeville. Read more at: 2015 Annual Robert E Lee Birthday Celebration

During Robert E. Lee's 100th birthday in 1907, Charles Francis Adams, Jr., a former Union Commander and grandson of US President John Quincy Adams, spoke in tribute to Robert E. Lee at Washington and Lee College's Lee Chapel in Lexington, Virginia. His speech was printed in both Northern and Southern newspapers and is said to had lifted Lee to a renewed respect among the American people.

And In Lexington, Virginia events are scheduled for the birthday of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson on January 16th and 17th. Read more at: Home - Lee-Jackson Day Lexington VA

Dr. Edward C. Smith, respected African-American Professor of History at American University in Washington, D.C. , told the audience in Atlanta, Ga. during a 1995 Robert E. Lee birthday event, quote 'Dr. Martin Luther King and Robert E. Lee were individuals worthy of emulation because they understood history.' Unquote
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bripat9643

No he doesn't. What a DUMB idea that is.

But, I do want to say ... wouldn't it be nice if we had a History forum so every dumb ass thread didn't get stuck in Politics.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Robert E. Lee was a great American. He deserves a holiday

CIVIL WAR OP-ED Remembering Robert E. Lee American Patriot and Southern Hero Huntington News

Sir Winston Churchill called General Robert E. Lee, “one of the noblest Americans who ever lived.”

Please let me call to your attention that Monday, January 19, 2015, is the 208th birthday of Robert E. Lee, whose memory is still dear in the hearts of many Southerners. Why is this man so honored in the South and respected in the North? Lee was even respected by the soldiers of Union blue who fought against him during the War Between the States.

What is your community doing to commemorate the birthday of this great American?

General Lee’s portrait adorns the State Capitol in Atlanta where the Georgia Division Sons of Confederate Veterans hosted their 1st Lee birthday in 1988. The SCV will host their annual Robert E. Lee birthday celebration on Saturday January 17, 2015 at Georgia’s Old Secession Capitol on Greene Street in Milledgeville. Read more at: 2015 Annual Robert E Lee Birthday Celebration

During Robert E. Lee's 100th birthday in 1907, Charles Francis Adams, Jr., a former Union Commander and grandson of US President John Quincy Adams, spoke in tribute to Robert E. Lee at Washington and Lee College's Lee Chapel in Lexington, Virginia. His speech was printed in both Northern and Southern newspapers and is said to had lifted Lee to a renewed respect among the American people.

And In Lexington, Virginia events are scheduled for the birthday of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson on January 16th and 17th. Read more at: Home - Lee-Jackson Day Lexington VA

Dr. Edward C. Smith, respected African-American Professor of History at American University in Washington, D.C. , told the audience in Atlanta, Ga. during a 1995 Robert E. Lee birthday event, quote 'Dr. Martin Luther King and Robert E. Lee were individuals worthy of emulation because they understood history.' Unquote
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bripat9643

No he doesn't. What a DUMB idea that is.

But, I do want to say ... wouldn't it be nice if we had a History forum so every dumb ass thread didn't get stuck in Politics.

Right? The shit you post is so useless and stupid we really need a Luddley forum. Or maybe just relegate you to the badlands.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Love what happened to his house....we should do stuff like that today.

So we SHOULD pile up all the dead Afghanistan vets in front of Obama's house.
Which one? Chicago or Hawaii?

Crawford Texas would be a more appropriate place....

Do you want to celebrate Osama Bin Laden's birthday too? Lee=Bin Laden

You are a truly SPECIAL kind of stupid.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Must say it is interesting that a man who took up arms against the US in the failed attempt to preserve slavery should even be mentioned as being honorable.

Maybe he should be honored for sending his men into a meat grinder at Gettysburg which resulted in the south losing the war for sure or at least shortened it by a long shot. But we usually don't honor failure. Most of Lee's engagement were defensive where the defense has a huge advantage, in that they didn't need to advance into gun fire. Gettysburg being a huge exception. Lee went on the offensive, huge mistake, gigantic error, and that lead to the defeat of the slave owners.

His biggest error was thinking his men invincible and they were not.

He made many errors.

His biggest error was not seizing Washington immediately.

He was not in command "immediately"...and when he was, he had to defend before he could attack.

That could have been done in the first six months.

Once the Union got organized, there was no way for a Southern victory.

Not true...he didn't NEED a complete victory. He needed one of two possible outcomes...either recognition by a European power (ideally Great Britain, though France or Russia would have sufficed), or do well enough in 1862 or 1864 that Peace Democrats took over Congress.

And using his armies like Chinese in the human wave assault at Gettysburg known as Pickett's Charge was criminally insane.

The biggest mistake at Gettysburg was not occupying the Round Tops. (The biggest problem in the weeks leading up to it was Lee, having lost Stuart's cavalry screen, had no clear idea what the Union army was doing.)

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong, he fought for his state, the CSA, and his property. The USA could not "invade" Virginia, for Virginia was a governmental entity indivisble from the USA.

Wrong. You're quoting the pledge of allegiance, which was written by some commie. Nothing in the Constitution says a state can't secede.

The pledge of alligiance was written by a Communist?

That is not only vapid thinking, which falls into line with all your posts, but the final nail in e coffin of this thread.

Now you will call me the vilest names you can think of, but consider just how stupid you actually are.

Pledge of alligiance written by a communist. What an idiot!

It was written by a self-described socialist. Although you almost certainly do, I see no functional difference between communists and socialists.

 

[Jarlaxle]

How many slaves did Robert E. Lee own?

As I recall, zero.

 

[toxicmedia]

The pro-CSA loons are hysterical and hilarious.

No state had the right to secede.

SC had no legal right to interfere with the US transactions with its people in its own property (no, the property was not SC, it gave that right up).

The South rebelled and was executed rightfully by the North.

The shit you sycophants say is just deplorable. Not that it is shocking. Especially from a progressive authoritarian like you, Fake.

I've not seen such a sound thrashing on this board in a while.

It would be generous to describe slavery apologists in this thread as being on their heels.

Slavery was the reason the southern states militarily seized, and attacked, sovereign US territory.

They got what they deserved when Sherman made Georgia howl, and crushed their will to fight.

Now the descendants of slavers are Tea Partiers, Fox News Republicans, Stormfront members, and socially Conservative Evangelicals, who have revised their own history, and in many cases educational curriculum to suit their denial of reality.

The New Deal and the 60's revolution turned these intellectually filthy confederates into Pariahs, but if Fox News and the GOP have their way, they'll unfortunately feel good enough about themselves to do something stupid again, and create some neo-lost cause that will damage the United States

 

[bripat9643]

Nothing in the Constitution says a state can't secede.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.


Let's see....United States Supreme Court, or some bitter, weak-minded imbecile on the internet...which has more credibility? Hmmmm........

Anyone who puts stock in what the Supreme Court rules is a weak minded imbecile. The one that decided Texas vs. White was populated with Lincoln appointed hacks.

 

[rightwinger]

Insurgents were citizens who rebelled against the law. People who do that get hurt, bripat. Duh.

If they were citizens, then Lincoln slaughtered them wholesale and violated their rights in ways too many to count.

They were citizen criminals in rebellion against their country

Criminals have constitutional rights. The government can't execute them without a trial, rape them, take their property or burn it to the ground.

War is Hell: William T Sherman

You think that excuses it?

You really just don't care if Lincoln pissed on the Constitution, do you?

Why should anyone care about your claims that the Constitution doesn't allow secession when you don't give a flying fuck that it doesn't allow the government to execute people without a trial?

Excuse it?

They were too easy on the traitors.

 

[Jarlaxle]

We know Lee fought against the Union, thus fought for slavery.

stmike talking about history is similar to a hamster eating the pages of a history book.

And many on the north (other than the abolishinists) were not fighting against slavery, but to preserve the union.

Including, of course, Lincoln!

 

[toxicmedia]

How many slaves did Robert E. Lee own?

As I recall, zero.

Robert E. Lee did not approve of slavery. He was a man of God.

The only reason he didn't fight for the north was his love for Virginia

 

[bripat9643]

The South didn't start the war. Lincoln did.

You can squat in the corner hitting yourself in the head with a mallet and repeating that over and over as long as you want, but you can't make it true.

The fact that it is true is what makes it true. No mallet is required.

 

[toxicmedia]

We know Lee fought against the Union, thus fought for slavery.

stmike talking about history is similar to a hamster eating the pages of a history book.

And many on the north (other than the abolishinists) were not fighting against slavery, but to preserve the union.

Including, of course, Lincoln!

If you want to read the most comprehensive book about Lincoln's opinion(s) about slavery, as they evolved throughout his life, read Eric Foner's "The Firey Trial"

 

[bripat9643]

The pro-CSA loons are hysterical and hilarious.

No state had the right to secede.

SC had no legal right to interfere with the US transactions with its people in its own property (no, the property was not SC, it gave that right up).

The South rebelled and was executed rightfully by the North.

You've already been proven wrong on every one of your points, Fakey.

 

[Nosmo King]

Wrong, he fought for his state, the CSA, and his property. The USA could not "invade" Virginia, for Virginia was a governmental entity indivisble from the USA.

Wrong. You're quoting the pledge of allegiance, which was written by some commie. Nothing in the Constitution says a state can't secede.

The pledge of alligiance was written by a Communist?

That is not only vapid thinking, which falls into line with all your posts, but the final nail in e coffin of this thread.

Now you will call me the vilest names you can think of, but consider just how stupid you actually are.

Pledge of alligiance written by a communist. What an idiot!

FTR: It was written by a a socialist.

Does it express Socialism? There are great minds and writers on all the colors of the political spectrum. How do you imagine a political philosophy gets legs? Great writers.

But as the Pledge of Alligence expresses no doctrine in opposition to laisse faire Capitalism, what's the problem with the political beliefs of its author?

It's a strawman of the first order.

 

[bripat9643]

We know Lee fought against the Union, thus fought for slavery.

stmike talking about history is similar to a hamster eating the pages of a history book.

And many on the north (other than the abolishinists) were not fighting against slavery, but to preserve the union.

Including, of course, Lincoln!

If you want to read the most comprehensive book about Lincoln's opinion(s) about slavery, as they evolved throughout his life, read Eric Foner's "The Firey Trial"

You mean if you want to read a pile of bullshit propaganda.