Remembering why the Bill of Rights was not part of Constitution and why the income...

Remembering why the Bill of Rights was not part of Constitution....

GO AWAY!​

United States Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Section. 7.

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

Dear Ed, go away.

sincerely
America

dear, if you're a big government liberal it is you who could go away to liberal communist Cuba and seemingly be more at home. America is about freedom, not more and more welfare. Sorry.
 
Remembering why the Bill of Rights was not part of Constitution....

GO AWAY!​

United States Bill of Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dear Ed, go away.

sincerely
America

dear, if you're a big government liberal it is you who could go away to liberal communist Cuba and seemingly be more at home. America is about freedom, not more and more welfare. Sorry.


Perhaps welfare is a form of freedom from want?
Did the founders have a plan for welfare or were people just left on their own in our new nation, as today's Republicans seem to think and want to return to?
 
Why did Jefferson change Locke's reference to property in Locke's life, liberty and property theme to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Too Stupid as usual, Garry Wills argues that it was not Locks reference at all!!

More importantly, are liberal like goldfish, i.e, too stupid to understand why our founders created a very very limited government!!

It is a difficult question and that's why it is not for lesser students.

Benjamin Franklin was in agreement with Thomas Jefferson in downplaying protection of "property" as a goal of government. It is noted that Franklin found property to be a "creature of society" and thus, he believed that it should be taxed as a way to finance civil society.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and even yahoo-simple answers and questions addresses this one: Why was Thomas Jeffersons phrase. "Life, liberty, and the persuit of property" Changed to Happiness? - Yahoo! Answers

An English translation of Jean Jacques Burlamaqui's Principles of Natural and Politic Law prepared in 1763 extolled the "noble pursuit" of "true and solid happiness" in the opening chapter discussing natural rights.[18] Historian Jack Rakove posits Burlamaqui as the inspiration for Jefferson's phrase.

Dante likes Jack
 
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Perhaps welfare is a form of freedom from want?

it is indeed. Enough welfare and you won't want for anything money can buy!! Welfare was directed at the black family an it amounted to a near genocide.

"We could survive slavery, we could survive Jim Crow, but we could not survive liberalism."- Walter Williams Ph.D




Did the founders have a plan for welfare or were people just left on their own in our new nation, as today's Republicans seem to think and want to return to?

hardly left on their own dear!! They were given the greatest gift of all: freedom from liberal government.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.-Jefferson


the natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to grain ground; that the greater the government the stronger the exploiter and the weaker the producer; that , therefore, the hope of liberty depends upon local self-governance and the vigilance of the producer class."

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor (read-taxes) and bread it has earned --this is the sum of good government.


I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious

"Our tenet ever was that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated, and that, as it was never meant that they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money. ." - Thomas Jefferson

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

"If the government robs Peter to pay Paul, it can always count on the support of Paul." [in America to bottom 45% pay no Federal taxes]
-Winston Churchhill

"The government of the United States [federal government] is a definite government confined to specified objects [powers]. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. CHARITY IS NO PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT."
-James madison


Jefferson: "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."


As a liberal you will find yourself lacking to understand the above concepts. Sorry, but thats just the way it is.
 
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When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin


59)"The government of the United States [federal government] is a definite government confined to specified objects [powers]. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. CHARITY IS NO PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT."
-James madison


Jefferson: "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."


As a liberal you will find yourself lacking to understand the above concepts. Sorry, but thats just the way it is.

When the barely educated start quoting people the fun begins...anyone can pull up quotes from sometimes the very same people contradicting themselves.

boy, if only people were taught a class on 'context' :eusa_whistle:
 
we could survive slavery, we could survive Jim Crow, but we could not survive liberalism- Walter Williams

One black conservative mouths something racists like, and they stick with it like flies on shit

you mean most other blacks think a near genocide was a good thing????

How stupid can you really be????

Do you see why we are positive liberalism is based on pure ignorance??
 
But that's exactly the point, Sonny. We need to evaluate them on whether it's a good idea today. Saying, "Well, the Founding Slave-rapists thought we should all have guns, so Adam Lanza should have one!" is just batshit crazy.

too stupid but perfectly ignorant and liberal!!! Conservatives like to conserve the lessons of history, not history you idiot!! The major lesson on which they based this country was that government had been the source of evil, had always grown like a metastatic cancer, and so had to be limited in every way possible. So, no direct tax was allowed. It was too coercive.It made the central government look powerful and important, the exact opposite of what was intended.


"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground" -Jefferson

what "conservatives" do is listen to whatever shit a corporation pays them to say on Hate Radio and pretend it is some kind of profound truth, when really, all you are advocating is selfishiness and mean-spiritedness, and you wonder why that loses elections.

Ah yes, the clueless concept that those who believe differently than you, must be evil, or the dupes of those who are evil.

It is not selfish or mean-spirited to desire to keep what I worked hard to get. It is not selfish or mean-spirited to expect others, who can, to work for what they want. Nor, is it selfish or mean-spirited to expect the federal government to comply with the contract they made with the people, and allow the states to handle the needs of the people.

Our founders not only separated political power in three branches of the federal government, but left most of the political power in the hands of 13 (now 50) individual states. They knew that power corrupts, and that massing power in a single entity is dangerous to the freedoms of all citizens. That tenet is just as valid today as it was when the Constitution was ratified.
 
When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin


59)"The government of the United States [federal government] is a definite government confined to specified objects [powers]. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. CHARITY IS NO PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT."
-James madison


Jefferson: "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."


As a liberal you will find yourself lacking to understand the above concepts. Sorry, but thats just the way it is.

When the barely educated start quoting people the fun begins...anyone can pull up quotes from sometimes the very same people contradicting themselves.

boy, if only people were taught a class on 'context' :eusa_whistle:

please given an example or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so!!

You lack the IQ to know that an example or evidence is necessary. You have to asked as if you were a 5 years old.
 
When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin


59)"The government of the United States [federal government] is a definite government confined to specified objects [powers]. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. CHARITY IS NO PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT."
-James madison


Jefferson: "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."


As a liberal you will find yourself lacking to understand the above concepts. Sorry, but thats just the way it is.

When the barely educated start quoting people the fun begins...anyone can pull up quotes from sometimes the very same people contradicting themselves.

boy, if only people were taught a class on 'context' :eusa_whistle:

You actually needed a class on "context"? What did they call it, Socialism 101?

The context that you wish to ignore is that the founders firmly believed that the individual states would govern the people, care for their needs, and adjudicate their grievances. The federal government was necessary to bind these individual, soverign states together, provide collective defense, and deal with foreigners. The tasks assigned to the federal government were clearly defined in the Constitution, and all other tasks were left to the individual states and/or the people themselves.

The first attacks on these founding principles took place in 1913, with passage of two major amendments. Creation of the income tax, and direct election of senators.

We have been slowly going downhill since.
 
When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin


59)"The government of the United States [federal government] is a definite government confined to specified objects [powers]. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. CHARITY IS NO PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT."
-James madison


Jefferson: "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."


As a liberal you will find yourself lacking to understand the above concepts. Sorry, but thats just the way it is.

When the barely educated start quoting people the fun begins...anyone can pull up quotes from sometimes the very same people contradicting themselves.

boy, if only people were taught a class on 'context' :eusa_whistle:

please given an example or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so!!

You lack the IQ to know that an example or evidence is necessary. You have to asked as if you were a 5 years old.

don't make Dante spank you in public
 
When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin


59)"The government of the United States [federal government] is a definite government confined to specified objects [powers]. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. CHARITY IS NO PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT."
-James madison


Jefferson: "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."


As a liberal you will find yourself lacking to understand the above concepts. Sorry, but thats just the way it is.

When the barely educated start quoting people the fun begins...anyone can pull up quotes from sometimes the very same people contradicting themselves.

boy, if only people were taught a class on 'context' :eusa_whistle:

You actually needed a class on "context"? What did they call it, Socialism 101?

The context that you wish to ignore is that the founders firmly believed that the individual states would govern the people, care for their needs, and adjudicate their grievances. The federal government was necessary to bind these individual, soverign states together, provide collective defense, and deal with foreigners. The tasks assigned to the federal government were clearly defined in the Constitution, and all other tasks were left to the individual states and/or the people themselves.

The first attacks on these founding principles took place in 1913, with passage of two major amendments. Creation of the income tax, and direct election of senators.

We have been slowly going downhill since.

Really? Another pseudo-historian?
 
When the barely educated start quoting people the fun begins...anyone can pull up quotes from sometimes the very same people contradicting themselves.

boy, if only people were taught a class on 'context' :eusa_whistle:

You actually needed a class on "context"? What did they call it, Socialism 101?

The context that you wish to ignore is that the founders firmly believed that the individual states would govern the people, care for their needs, and adjudicate their grievances. The federal government was necessary to bind these individual, soverign states together, provide collective defense, and deal with foreigners. The tasks assigned to the federal government were clearly defined in the Constitution, and all other tasks were left to the individual states and/or the people themselves.

The first attacks on these founding principles took place in 1913, with passage of two major amendments. Creation of the income tax, and direct election of senators.

We have been slowly going downhill since.

Really? Another pseudo-historian?


tell us exactly where the mistake is or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so
 
Dear Ed, go away.

sincerely
America

dear, if you're a big government liberal it is you who could go away to liberal communist Cuba and seemingly be more at home. America is about freedom, not more and more welfare. Sorry.


Perhaps welfare is a form of freedom from want?
Did the founders have a plan for welfare or were people just left on their own in our new nation, as today's Republicans seem to think and want to return to?

People in need were cared for by their neighbors and churches. However, I am not opposed to welfare for those who are unable to care for themselves. It should be at the state and local level, and not part of the federal government.
 
dear, if you're a big government liberal it is you who could go away to liberal communist Cuba and seemingly be more at home. America is about freedom, not more and more welfare. Sorry.


Perhaps welfare is a form of freedom from want?
Did the founders have a plan for welfare or were people just left on their own in our new nation, as today's Republicans seem to think and want to return to?

People in need were cared for by their neighbors and churches. However, I am not opposed to welfare for those who are unable to care for themselves. It should be at the state and local level, and not part of the federal government.

The federal government has stepped in where local and state governments either failed to lead or was asked to help.

those are the facts. We stopped living in the early 19th century about 200 years ago
 
You actually needed a class on "context"? What did they call it, Socialism 101?

The context that you wish to ignore is that the founders firmly believed that the individual states would govern the people, care for their needs, and adjudicate their grievances. The federal government was necessary to bind these individual, soverign states together, provide collective defense, and deal with foreigners. The tasks assigned to the federal government were clearly defined in the Constitution, and all other tasks were left to the individual states and/or the people themselves.

The first attacks on these founding principles took place in 1913, with passage of two major amendments. Creation of the income tax, and direct election of senators.

We have been slowly going downhill since.

Really? Another pseudo-historian?


tell us exactly where the mistake is or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so

Oh, Dante will...just let Errorman play a little...
 

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