Republican Senators send a letter to Iran. Wow. Damn!

[Iceweasel]

Plus the senate an congress do not make foreign policy so their letter is meaningless

Iranian Foreign Minister Schools US Senators in American Int l Law Sputnik International

You don't even know what Congress is. It's the Senate and the House of Representatives. Thanks for the history lesson!

 

[Uncensored2008]

You mean sort of like creating a solidarity agreement with the USSR the way democrats did under Reagan?

I know, that's different - the Soviets were our enemy, democrats LOVE our enemies, they just hate America and her allies...

Seriously dainty, of all the stupidity the leftists have come up with, this is a level of desperation that is simply laughable. The boiking got humiliated? Good!

speaking of Reagan and the USSR and opposition to his dealings with them:

When General Secretary Gorbachev was coming to Washington to sign the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. Congressional Republicans, led by Dick Cheney (R-WY), Chairman of the House Republican Conference rebelled. Cheney said:
“Addressing a joint meeting of Congress is a high honor, one of the highest honors we can accord anyone. Given the fact of continuing Soviet aggression in Afghanistan, Soviet repression in Eastern Europe, and Soviet actions in Africa and Central America, it is totally inappropriate to confer this honor upon Gorbachev. He is an adversary, not an ally.” Paul Weyrich, National Director, Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress (see also: Free Congress Foundation) said: “Reagan is a weakened president, weakened in spirit as well as in clout, and not in a position to make judgments about Gorbachev at this time.”

Conservative icon William F. Buckley Jr. devoted an entire issue of the National Review to the INF Treaty, calling it “Reagan’s Suicide Pact.” Buckley sent Reagan the first copy, with a letter attached saying, “For the first time, I and my colleagues need to take very serious issue with you.”

Henry Kissinger said the the treaty undid “40 years of NATO.”

Conservative pundit George Will calls Reagan “wildly wrong” in his dealings with the Soviets. Conservatives gather to bemoan what they call “summit fever,” accusing Reagan of “appeasement” both of communists and of Congressional liberals, and protesting Reagan’s “cutting deals with the evil empire.” They mount a letter-writing campaign, generating some 300,000 letters, and launch a newspaper ad campaign that compares Reagan to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Senators Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Steven Symms (R-ID) try to undercut the treaty by attempting to add amendments that would make the treaty untenable; Helms will lead a filibuster against the treaty as well.

Conservative columnist George Will ridiculed “the cult of arms control,” writing, “The Soviets want victories; we want treaties.” Conservative Caucus Chairman (also see: American Conservative Union) Howard Phillips fumed that Reagan had become “the speech reader-in-chief for the pro-appeasement triumvirate of (White House Chief of Staff) Howard Baker, Schultz, and (Defense Secretary) Frank Carlucci.” Every Republican presidential candidate, save Vice President George Bush, opposed it. New York Times columnist William Safire seemed to sum it up best: “The Russians… now understand the way to handle Mr. Reagan: Never murder a man who is committing suicide.”

Republicans during the INF debate genuinely believed the treaty would weaken America’s security. Senator Bob Dole, the Republican leader in the Senate, who was undecided on the treaty, put it bluntly: “I don’t trust Gorbachev.”

sources: The Daily Beast | The New Rpublic | History Commons | U.S. VS. THEM: How a Half Century of Conservatism Has Undermined America’s Security
– by J. Peter Scoblic

Did you have any idea that Israel is our ally?

I know Obama hates Jews, but Israel is a long time and loyal ally of America.

Obama, not so much....

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

please...outta here

 

[Uncensored2008]

Okay traitor.

You don't need to sign you posts, we all know you're a traitor.

 

[1stRambo]

Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won t Last - Bloomberg View

A group of 47 Republican senators has written an open letter to Iran's leaders warning them that any nuclear deal they sign with President Barack Obama's administration won’t last after Obama leaves office.

Organized by freshman Senator Tom Cotton and signed by the chamber's entire party leadership as well as potential 2016 presidential contenders Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, the letter is meant not just to discourage the Iranian regime from signing a deal but also to pressure the White House into giving Congress some authority over the process.

“It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system … Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement,” the senators wrote. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.”

Arms-control advocates and supporters of the negotiations argue that the next president and the next Congress will have a hard time changing or canceling any Iran deal -- -- which is reportedly near done -- especially if it is working reasonably well.

Well, this is new, even in the world of the GOP batshit-crazy. This really does one-up it all. It's also kind of funny that there is a constitutional error in what the Senators wrote to the government of Iran. The Senate does NOT ratify treaties. That is even indicated directly on their Senate website. Instead, the Senate takes up a resolution of ratification, by which the Senate formally gives its advice and consent, empowering the president to proceed with ratification” . It's a fine point, almost splitting hairs, but worth noting.

So, Republicans hate this Democratic President so much that they are even willing to pen a letter to someone they consider an enemy of ours.

Back to the Bloomberg link:

It's stunning. And it's a rebuke on an international stage that doesn't really have a precedent. Imagine Democrats micro-managing the START talks in the 80s by sending an open letter to Gorbachev? It just wouldn't have been viewed as an acceptable political move while the talks were still happening.

The only conclusion we can make is that the GOP is not the loyal opposition, it is a severly disloyal opposition and deserves to be treated with disdain and contempt for such unamerican behavior. The GOP simply hates America, it's that simple.

Yo, nothing but more Hypocrisy here, move on!

"GTP"

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I was restricted to post a post in this thread. Flaw? Glitch?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

oh well, why bother? too many issues (either software or moderation) to waste time here

 

[Vigilante]

And who can forget this despicable act of Nancy Piglosi's!!!

Remembering Nancy Pelosi s Syria Junket - Commentary Magazine Commentary Magazine

Or that communist sellout...Ted Kennedy!!!

Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In 1984 Elections

 

[TimothysAlaska]

What the republicans did was retarded. What they should of done was talk about how non transparent the admin is about foreign diplomacy. He should have congress in the loop. But doing what they did is bad

I see now the republican heads are saying look nancy pelosi went to Damascus InDefiance of bush admin and other times the congress did things of a similar nature to a republican head of state. This is a retarded argument if it is bad it is bad. It gives credence to obama pointing fingers at bush saying look bush did this and that so I can do this. It's like children playing the tattle tale game. And these people are controlling our country. And should not be a game for political points. It is sad obama does it and the repubs do so it must mean it is good. What the heck is going on.....so basically in point blame bush and repubs can blame congress for doing bad things.


We need a third party that has some common sense and can lead and persuade people with logical arguments instead of political talking points that are all lies. Sad times when I see 10 year olds more mature then republicans and democrats.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No need for tit for tat - the traitorous democrats are full of shit. This charge is laughable, it's just the hates sites stirring up the retards to make noise.No one with an IQ higher than Statist or DotCom pays any attention at all.

Point, laugh at them, then ignore it.

 

[asterism]

Will all the staunch defenders of Presidential authority please post links to their criticisms of Pelosi in 2007?

Pelosi Meets With Syrian Leader

Hussein Malla/Associated Press
Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, meeting today at the Presidential Palace in Damascus with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria.

By HASSAN M. FATTAH and GRAHAM BOWLEY
Published: April 4, 2007
DAMASCUS, Syria, April 4 —Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, met here today with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria and discussed a variety of Middle Eastern issues, including the situations in Iraq and Lebanon and the prospect of peace talks between Syria and Israel.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/world/middleeast/04cnd-pelosi.html?_r=0

You mean the same leadership republicans like Frank Wolf and Darrell Issa who visited with the Syrian President around the same time as Pelosi?

Did they support or oppose the President?

 

[asterism]

The OP is correct that no one will be prosecuted under the Logan Act however. given what those GOP Senators actually did, the failure to prosecute them doesn't make it any less of an act of sedition against the USA.

I agree.

They actually counseled an enemy of the US, they advised them as to how they could ignore our government and go ahead with their weapons plans. They literally told Iran that the Republicans would guarantee the US would take no action.

Is there precedence for congress going behind the back of our government to aid and abet our enemy in getting a weapon to use against us?

Democratic Reps. Jim McDermott of Washington, David Bonior of Michigan and Mike Thompson of California traveled to Iraq in 2002 to support Saddam Hussein and oppose the President. Later it was uncovered that the Iraqi government paid for the trip (which they deny *wink wink).

US Saddam paid for lawmakers Iraq trip - USATODAY.com

 

[cnm]

We do not negotiate with terrorists. [...]

Please.

You negotiate with some and fund others.

 

[Iceweasel]

The OP is correct that no one will be prosecuted under the Logan Act however. given what those GOP Senators actually did, the failure to prosecute them doesn't make it any less of an act of sedition against the USA.

I agree.

They actually counseled an enemy of the US, they advised them as to how they could ignore our government and go ahead with their weapons plans. They literally told Iran that the Republicans would guarantee the US would take no action.

Is there precedence for congress going behind the back of our government to aid and abet our enemy in getting a weapon to use against us?

Democratic Reps. Jim McDermott of Washington, David Bonior of Michigan and Mike Thompson of California traveled to Iraq in 2002 to support Saddam Hussein and oppose the President. Later it was uncovered that the Iraqi government paid for the trip (which they deny *wink wink).

US Saddam paid for lawmakers Iraq trip - USATODAY.com

He's our senator (still!). Fat asshole. He was called Baghdad Jim McDermott back in the day.

The libs are just stupid, they don't care about truth. They only want to defeat their enemies on the right and will make any deal with the devil to do it.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The petition to charge the 47 with treason has jumped from 8,900 when I signed it to 21,900 in just under 2 hours time....


File charges against the 47 U.S. Senators in violation of The Logan Act in attempting to undermine a nuclear agreement. We the People Your Voice in Our Government

You can sign up too.

The petition to charge the 47 with treason, which was at 21,900 just 5 hours ago, is now at 92,600.... it was at 9,800 when I signed it about 8 hours ago...


File charges against the 47 U.S. Senators in violation of The Logan Act in attempting to undermine a nuclear agreement. We the People Your Voice in Our Government

You can sign up too.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Sorry bout that,

1. At least some have the balls to stand for America, Obama is busy giving in to those who want us destroyed.
2. This is a start, much more needing to be done.
3. I know we have to let the negro end his term, otherwise the blacks will burn it down.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Were you charged for the full brain wash? Ask for some money back, you only needed a light rinse.

OH! Now THAT is a lovely concession!

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

You've become a cliche, I recognize being nuts (that is, challenged by reality) effects your judgments, making you incapable of responding in any manner other than to echo your earlier posts. If you believe that is clever, see the parenthetical comment above.

OH! Good work... deflecting from the otherwise irrefutable facts, was the best you could do.

Your re-concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The petition to charge the 47 with treason has jumped from 8,900 when I signed it to 21,900 in just under 2 hours time....


File charges against the 47 U.S. Senators in violation of The Logan Act in attempting to undermine a nuclear agreement. We the People Your Voice in Our Government

You can sign up too.

ROFLMNAO!

So you're suggesting that Treason is a function of popularity?

ROFLMNAO!

 

[Neotrotsky]

Considering that ...
Poll: Americans Don’t Trust Obama on Iran
Poll Americans Don t Trust Obama on Iran - The Daily Beast


One has to doubt little support for the Left's newest friends- The Iranians

 

[JimH52]

Lunatics!

 

[Faun]

it seems like Democrat don't understand or give a shit. so would you school this woman on it please

NOW speaking of a traitor..

FLASHBACK: Pelosi Dismisses Criticism From Bush After She Meets With Assad In Syria…

Keep in mind Pelosi was meeting with Assad while he was allowing al-Qaeda in Iraq to use Syria as a staging area to kill Americans fighting in Iraq.

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Wednesday for talks criticized by the White House as undermining American efforts to isolate the hard-line Arab country.

Pelosi said Assad assured her of his willingness to engage in peace talks with Israel, and that she and other members of her congressional delegation raised their concern about militants crossing from Syria into Iraq, as well the Israeli soldiers kidnapped by the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah and the Palestinian group Hamas.

all of it here:
FLASHBACK Pelosi Dismisses Criticism From Bush After She Meets With Assad In Syria Weasel Zippers

You probably can't even comprehend the difference between meeting with a leader and sabotaging a deal between the U.S. president and another country.