Republicans are ignorant about the most basic FACTS about welfare in this country

[Meathead]

see the idiot above lie and provide NO proof of any of his so called facts?

Sweetie, the facts have been provided over and over and over. You choose to ignore them because you're scared to death that the government gravy train might end and you'll actually have to get a job.

Unemployment under Obama has been between 8% - 10% his entire presidency. The only time it has "dropped" is when people have given up and left the work force.

Furthermore, everything I said about the states are well known. You're ignorance of reality is not my problem. You're inability to dispute what I said (and back it up with ANY facts) is comical. You lose sweetie...

That's cold. How dare you suggest Truthmatters get a job! Any liberal would be insulted because their country owes them a living, especially if they're not white men. How do you think we got Obama ffs?

 

[Truthmatters]

why don't you guys ever want to actually LINK to your "proof"?

 

[P@triot]

why don't you guys ever want to actually LINK to your "proof"?

Says the parasite who can't provide ANY proof that the Dumbocrats haven't collapsed the world economy with their idiot socialism....

I've provided more links on this site than anyone I know and all you moron's do is go "Fox News doesn't count", "CNN doesn't count", "Glenn Beck doesn't count". I actually linked to MSNBC in another thread yesterday and the idiot liberal tried to deny that story.

Sweetie, you're a liberal because you can't deal with facts. You were brainwashed at some point (because you're weak minded) and you prefer that ideology over reality. It's why you rant like a lunatic and spend your life pissed off 24x7.

I'm sorry - I can't help you. You don't like the truth, you can't deal with the truth, so there is nothing I can do for you.

 

[P@triot]

why don't you guys ever want to actually LINK to your "proof"?

Here you go [MENTION=5217]Truthmatters[/MENTION] - indisputable facts that proves everything I have said is 100% accurate. This is data directly from the IRS (that's your precious federal government dear). And all you will do is one of the 3 Dumbocrat techniques that you teach each other (none of you can even be original or entertaining in your denial of reality): (A.) attempt to discredit the source (B.) claim it doesn't matter because it's not "cause and effect" (usually followed up with the laughable buzz word "critical thinking"), or (C.) try to deny it the facts.

Ready? Go!

In the United States, no- and low-income tax states are experiencing booms, while high-income tax states are threatened with busts. This is no mere hypothesis. Fifteen years' worth of data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that net adjusted gross incomes (net AGI) move from states that levy high income taxes to those with low or no income tax. Our analysis of more than 134 million individual taxpayer records revealed that, between 1995 and 2010, more than $2 trillion dollars moved between the states. Using this unimpeachable data, we can see – down to the county level – which areas are gaining wealth and residents, and which are losing them.

Why does this matter? There are myriad reasons. Successful people and businesses flee from states with harsh tax environments. They flock to states with benign, progrowth tax structures that allow them to save and invest. This is why a state like California, with its top income tax rate of 13.3 percent, saw a loss of more than $31.7 billion over 15 years. Texas, which taxes its residents at the very agreeable rate of zero, gained more than $22 billion over that same time period. (Recently, Texas Gov. Rick Perry took advantage of this reality by running ad campaigns that woo California businesses to move to Texas.)

High Tax States Are Losing Taxpayers - US News

 

[Redfish]

why don't you guys ever want to actually LINK to your "proof"?

Says the parasite who can't provide ANY proof that the Dumbocrats haven't collapsed the world economy with their idiot socialism....

I've provided more links on this site than anyone I know and all you moron's do is go "Fox News doesn't count", "CNN doesn't count", "Glenn Beck doesn't count". I actually linked to MSNBC in another thread yesterday and the idiot liberal tried to deny that story.

Sweetie, you're a liberal because you can't deal with facts. You were brainwashed at some point (because you're weak minded) and you prefer that ideology over reality. It's why you rant like a lunatic and spend your life pissed off 24x7.

I'm sorry - I can't help you. You don't like the truth, you can't deal with the truth, so there is nothing I can do for you.

put the bitch on ignore, you are wasting your time talking to an empty shell.

 

[P@triot]

why don't you guys ever want to actually LINK to your "proof"?

On a side note - it is truly remarkable that you need "proof" that businesses will take their jobs to what ever city, county, state, or country provides them with the best deal (ie lowest taxes, lowest costly regulations, lowest payroll, etc.).

I mean, seriously, are you really that stupid or are you just being a troll now? This is just common fuck'n sense that nobody should need explained to them.

A business exists for one reason and one reason only: to make money. If Dumbocrat tax & spend socialism is preventing them from making money, they will go somewhere else. And they have. It really is that simple sweetie....

 

[P@triot]

why don't you guys ever want to actually LINK to your "proof"?

Says the parasite who can't provide ANY proof that the Dumbocrats haven't collapsed the world economy with their idiot socialism....

I've provided more links on this site than anyone I know and all you moron's do is go "Fox News doesn't count", "CNN doesn't count", "Glenn Beck doesn't count". I actually linked to MSNBC in another thread yesterday and the idiot liberal tried to deny that story.

Sweetie, you're a liberal because you can't deal with facts. You were brainwashed at some point (because you're weak minded) and you prefer that ideology over reality. It's why you rant like a lunatic and spend your life pissed off 24x7.

I'm sorry - I can't help you. You don't like the truth, you can't deal with the truth, so there is nothing I can do for you.

put the bitch on ignore, you are wasting your time talking to an empty shell.

But I'm not really talking to her. I'm simply setting the record straight for anyone who reads the thread. I already know that you're not going to change the mind of someone who lives to mooch off of their fellow tax payer through government. There is nothing I can say to her that will make her give up her life as a slave on the government plantation.

But for other people that are not like her, I think they should read the facts instead of the mindless drivel of the government gravy train girl....

 

[Billy000]

Shown me the evidence. Show me what regulations created by democrats specifically that are causing economic harm. You can't. You are just parroting rhetoric from the tea baggers. Tell me why is it that we have had private job growth if Obama is president and dems control the senate?

First of all - there has been nearly zero "job growth" under Obama. Unfortunately for America, Obama's idea of "job growth" is discouraging people to the point where they simply drop out of the work force so he can lower unemployment and convince ignorant buffoons such as yourself that he's doing a good job

Furthermore, what little job creation there has been is the result of the 2010 epic beat down when conservatives were voted into office across the land. To offset the job-killing policies of Obama, many states are offering business epic tax incentives and many are offering no state income taxes for residence. North Dakota is fracking like crazy which has created one of the largest economic booms in U.S. history in that state.

Sorry junior, the truth is you are immature (I'm guessing about 17 - am I right?), idealistic, and brainwashed by the left-wing propaganda because you are weak minded. God Bless you my friend. You're going to lead a miserable life.

Give it up. All you do is make shit up. Everything I have said is supported by facts from non partisan sources. All you post is fluff with nothing substiantiated. You would rather believe Obama is a failure even if it isn't true.

 

[RKMBrown]

And yet none of you fault republicans for anything. I never said Obama didn't make poor decisions during his presidency. He definitely has.

So basically all you have going for your side of the argument is being a full of shit liar.

Okay farmer Brown. What have I lied about? Prove me wrong or shut up.

You said, and I quote "none of you fault republicans for anything."

Not only do I fault republicans for what th ey have done wrong, I've also seen quite literally tens of thousands of times other people, republicans included, faulting republicans on this board. So you are, in every sense of the term, lying.

 

[Billy000]

So basically all you have going for your side of the argument is being a full of shit liar.

Okay farmer Brown. What have I lied about? Prove me wrong or shut up.

You said, and I quote "none of you fault republicans for anything."

Not only do I fault republicans for what th ey have done wrong, I've also seen quite literally tens of thousands of times other people, republicans included, faulting republicans on this board. So you are, in every sense of the term, lying.

Ok how about this? You give Obama credit for ANYTHING positive he has done for this country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You know I am right. Give it a rest. Negging me like a child just makes you look weak.

Show me that taxpayers "cough up $83 billion" to hedge fund managers.
Unless you're wrong. LOL!

It says it here in black and white. Give it a rest.

Top Ten Examples of Welfare for the Rich » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Let me know when you find actual proof that taxpayers "cough up $83 billion" to hedge fund managers.

So I won't have to neg you again. LOL!

 

[Gadawg73]

This is what your dumbass isn't getting. Yes regulations can impede economic development, but the actual economic effect regulations have is insignificant.

I know you cons struggle with basic nuance but reality is what it is.

Insignificant! Are you on crack?

Regulation has MASSIVE impact on the cost of runni9ng a company. There are literally thousands of regulations to run even the simplest business. It is also the LARGEST factor in trying to start up a new business. Almost all of your startup costs come directly from attempting to comply with regulation that is largely without purpose. If you believe that regulation is insignificant then you have no idea what goes into running or maintaining a business. The costs are massive. Even something as simple as getting a license can crush your business entirely and typically take large amounts of time that ends most business ventures before they even begin. It took us a full year to get our license and just to comply with regulation that was unnecessary cost close to 10,000 dollars. Considering that miniscule scale of the business, that was entirely asinine. Here is a wonderful example of just how asinine the system can be:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFfUvrCgcAs]Logan Square Kitchen Grand Opening - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O9cJMO4B18]Little American Dream Factory: Chicago Bureaucrats Put the Brakes on an Innovative Business - YouTube[/ame]

Further, your assertion that regulation cannot be a problem because business is sitting on massive profits is completely incorrect. Regulation is NOT a problem for massive corporations. Then have the means to deal with them. Primarily that is done through going to places that don’t have those regulations. One of the core reasons that companies offshore is because they don’t have to deal with regulation and the costs that come with it. Those that cannot move have the capitol to ride the changes and increased costs out until the prices and market stabilize. You know who does not though? Smaller companies and startups – the competition to those massive companies that you complain are making too much. IOW, regulation KILLS COMPETITION for the big companies.

In short, one of the reasons that those companies make massive profits is because those same regulations make it impossible to compete. When you have the market virtually to yourself or shared between 5 companies across the entire nation you better damn well believe that they make huge sums of money. Increased regulation simply ensures that no one will ever challenge that income flow either.


I know you libs struggle with basic facts and logic but that is what it is.

Nothing to do with liberal versus conservative whatsoever in most instances.
Most regulations are set up so a company can PROTECT itself from competition.
They have theirs and want it to be very hard on anyone else entering into their field.
Big business lobbies for more and more and more regulations of what they already have.
Seen it many times in my business.
Home cooking protectionism. Countries do it also.

 

[P@triot]

Shown me the evidence. Show me what regulations created by democrats specifically that are causing economic harm. You can't. You are just parroting rhetoric from the tea baggers. Tell me why is it that we have had private job growth if Obama is president and dems control the senate?

First of all - there has been nearly zero "job growth" under Obama. Unfortunately for America, Obama's idea of "job growth" is discouraging people to the point where they simply drop out of the work force so he can lower unemployment and convince ignorant buffoons such as yourself that he's doing a good job

Furthermore, what little job creation there has been is the result of the 2010 epic beat down when conservatives were voted into office across the land. To offset the job-killing policies of Obama, many states are offering business epic tax incentives and many are offering no state income taxes for residence. North Dakota is fracking like crazy which has created one of the largest economic booms in U.S. history in that state.

Sorry junior, the truth is you are immature (I'm guessing about 17 - am I right?), idealistic, and brainwashed by the left-wing propaganda because you are weak minded. God Bless you my friend. You're going to lead a miserable life.

Give it up. All you do is make shit up. Everything I have said is supported by facts from non partisan sources. All you post is fluff with nothing substiantiated. You would rather believe Obama is a failure even if it isn't true.

I've got links, data, and common sense backing up everything I said. You have nothing - which is why you still can't answer a simple question.

I'll ask it for a third time just because I enjoy watching you run from it. It proves to everyone on the board that you're on the losing end here:

Would any business in the world move their operations to another country if it were cheaper for them to conduct business in the country they were already in?

Game over junior!

 

[P@triot]

Okay farmer Brown. What have I lied about? Prove me wrong or shut up.

You said, and I quote "none of you fault republicans for anything."

Not only do I fault republicans for what th ey have done wrong, I've also seen quite literally tens of thousands of times other people, republicans included, faulting republicans on this board. So you are, in every sense of the term, lying.

Ok how about this? You give Obama credit for ANYTHING positive he has done for this country.

I not only can junior, I have.... In fact, in this post right HERE I gave him credit for 4 things he did just on national security alone. Let me repeat that - I recognized him for 4 things he did positive just on national security.

On the rare occassion this failed marxist ideologue gets something right, I'm more than happy to give him credit for it. Unfortunately, like most Dumbocrats, he rarely gets anything right.

Now what junior? What do you have to say now? That post was made back in 2012 - roughly 2 years before you posed your question. What is your excuse now?

 

[Billy000]

You said, and I quote "none of you fault republicans for anything."

Not only do I fault republicans for what th ey have done wrong, I've also seen quite literally tens of thousands of times other people, republicans included, faulting republicans on this board. So you are, in every sense of the term, lying.

Ok how about this? You give Obama credit for ANYTHING positive he has done for this country.

I not only can junior, I have.... In fact, in this post right HERE I gave him credit for 4 things he did just on national security alone. Let me repeat that - I recognized him for 4 things he did positive just on national security.

On the rare occassion this failed marxist ideologue gets something right, I'm more than happy to give him credit for it. Unfortunately, like most Dumbocrats, he rarely gets anything right.

Now what junior? What do you have to say now? That post was made back in 2012 - roughly 2 years before you posed your question. What is your excuse now?

Are you kidding me? You gave him an F-. Overall I am not impressed, but yes, you did give him an ounce of credit.

Anything else?

 

[Billy000]

First of all - there has been nearly zero "job growth" under Obama. Unfortunately for America, Obama's idea of "job growth" is discouraging people to the point where they simply drop out of the work force so he can lower unemployment and convince ignorant buffoons such as yourself that he's doing a good job

Furthermore, what little job creation there has been is the result of the 2010 epic beat down when conservatives were voted into office across the land. To offset the job-killing policies of Obama, many states are offering business epic tax incentives and many are offering no state income taxes for residence. North Dakota is fracking like crazy which has created one of the largest economic booms in U.S. history in that state.

Sorry junior, the truth is you are immature (I'm guessing about 17 - am I right?), idealistic, and brainwashed by the left-wing propaganda because you are weak minded. God Bless you my friend. You're going to lead a miserable life.

Give it up. All you do is make shit up. Everything I have said is supported by facts from non partisan sources. All you post is fluff with nothing substiantiated. You would rather believe Obama is a failure even if it isn't true.

I've got links, data, and common sense backing up everything I said. You have nothing - which is why you still can't answer a simple question.

I'll ask it for a third time just because I enjoy watching you run from it. It proves to everyone on the board that you're on the losing end here:

Would any business in the world move their operations to another country if it were cheaper for them to conduct business in the country they were already in?

Game over junior!

Oh really? You have data. This ought to be good. Ok back up your claim Obama caused the loss of 10 million jobs to start. Then show me the source that says There has been no job growth under Obama.

Oh and using bullshit partisan crap like Fox News or Forbes is not permitted.

 

[P@triot]

Ok how about this? You give Obama credit for ANYTHING positive he has done for this country.

I not only can junior, I have.... In fact, in this post right HERE I gave him credit for 4 things he did just on national security alone. Let me repeat that - I recognized him for 4 things he did positive just on national security.

On the rare occassion this failed marxist ideologue gets something right, I'm more than happy to give him credit for it. Unfortunately, like most Dumbocrats, he rarely gets anything right.

Now what junior? What do you have to say now? That post was made back in 2012 - roughly 2 years before you posed your question. What is your excuse now?

Are you kidding me? You gave him an F-. Overall I am not impressed, but yes, you did give him an ounce of credit.

Anything else?

Because overall he's been a fuck'n failure on National Security. But on 4 specific items (things most people didn't even know about), I gave him the proper credit.

Why is it even when you're proven wrong, you're incapable of admitting it? It's very immature of you and one reason why I know you're somewhere around 19.

 

[Billy000]

I not only can junior, I have.... In fact, in this post right HERE I gave him credit for 4 things he did just on national security alone. Let me repeat that - I recognized him for 4 things he did positive just on national security.

On the rare occassion this failed marxist ideologue gets something right, I'm more than happy to give him credit for it. Unfortunately, like most Dumbocrats, he rarely gets anything right.

Now what junior? What do you have to say now? That post was made back in 2012 - roughly 2 years before you posed your question. What is your excuse now?

Are you kidding me? You gave him an F-. Overall I am not impressed, but yes, you did give him an ounce of credit.

Anything else?

Because overall he's been a fuck'n failure on National Security. But on 4 specific items (things most people didn't even know about), I gave him the proper credit.

Why is it even when you're proven wrong, you're incapable of admitting it? It's very immature of you and one reason why I know you're somewhere around 19.

What exactly did you prove me wrong on?

 

[P@triot]

Give it up. All you do is make shit up. Everything I have said is supported by facts from non partisan sources. All you post is fluff with nothing substiantiated. You would rather believe Obama is a failure even if it isn't true.

I've got links, data, and common sense backing up everything I said. You have nothing - which is why you still can't answer a simple question.

I'll ask it for a third time just because I enjoy watching you run from it. It proves to everyone on the board that you're on the losing end here:

Would any business in the world move their operations to another country if it were cheaper for them to conduct business in the country they were already in?

Game over junior!

Oh really? You have data. This ought to be good. Ok back up your claim Obama caused the loss of 10 million jobs to start. Then show me the source that says There has been no job growth under Obama.

Oh and using bullshit partisan crap like Fox News or Forbes is not permitted.

See my point? No matter how many links, you unhinged Dumbocrats just go "it doesn't count" even the media is radical left-wing.

The fact that you can't answer a simple question proves you lose this debate chief.

However, I will give you one link (not from Fox News or Forbes) just for shits & giggles...

High Tax States Are Losing Taxpayers - US News

(Again, this is just common sense - something that weak-minded brainwashed Dumbocrats can't figure out. If costs are high because of taxes/regulations/labor/etc., businesses will take their jobs somewhere else)

 

[P@triot]

Are you kidding me? You gave him an F-. Overall I am not impressed, but yes, you did give him an ounce of credit.

Anything else?

Because overall he's been a fuck'n failure on National Security. But on 4 specific items (things most people didn't even know about), I gave him the proper credit.

Why is it even when you're proven wrong, you're incapable of admitting it? It's very immature of you and one reason why I know you're somewhere around 19.

What exactly did you prove me wrong on?

That conservatives on USMB can and do give Obama credit on the rare occasions he actually does something right and earns it.

Are you not capable of following along here?