Republicans are mostly to blame for our debt

[Brain357]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

History and politics not strong with you is it cum breath?

And yet you can’t deny any of the facts.

Deny what you don't know the facts.

Reagan had to compromise with tippy

Newt is the one who balanced the budget for a few

Fact is that repubs fuel increased spending with tax cuts.

so democrats take no responsibility for their increased spending they just blame republicans for cutting taxes.

got it.

Doesn't it seem to be the rationale that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault?

Tax payers don’t care about spending because it goes on the credit card and they get tax cuts.

now you're finally getting it

No one cares about the debt.

And it ain't gonna matter before I'm dead so i don't care either

I get it, it’s the point of the OP . Nobody will care till we increase taxes, cuts are making people care less and less.

presidents have increased taxes and still no one cared.

Reagan passed the single largest peacetime tax hike in history and no one cared that he grew the debt

Clinton raised taxes and no one cared that he raised the debt

Bush #1 raised taxes and no one cared that he increased the debt

how can you keep saying that people will care when taxes are raised when they have shown just the opposite?

Deficits decreased under Clinton. Increasing taxes is the only way. You are talking small increases. If taxes increased as much as spending then people would take notice.

no they wouldn't.

because it will never happen.

No politician will ever get elected if he says he's going to increase taxes to cover all spending.

what fantasy land do you call home?

That is the problem. And repubs are worse cause they cut taxes and increase spending.

Biden said he was increasing some taxes and was elected. It’s a start.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/27/top-tax-rate-has-been-cut-six-times-since-usually-with-democrats-help/

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts and increased spending

Extending the cuts means the rate was not changed. Had they expired rates would have increased.

but you said he should have raised taxes to cover all the spending he initiated he didn't and he still doubled the debt

I’m not saying either party is good, just that repubs are worse. Trump quickly increased Obama deficits.

and Obama doubled the debt. Democrat senators and congress men voted for republican tax cuts too you know

you are saying that it's somehow worse to die from getting strangled than getting shot when you wind up dead either way.

what you want will never happen and no democrat will do it just as no republican will.

so when you buy your ticket back to reality let me know

And trump increased Obama deficits. Bad and worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/27/top-tax-rate-has-been-cut-six-times-since-usually-with-democrats-help/

you need to do some homework

Republicans always start the cuts.

always?

JFK started cutting the top rate of the income tax

We didn’t have a debt problem then.

That's because we had automatic tax increases then.

And now repubs cut taxes when deeply in debt.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, it was Democrats who killed the 70 percent tax

The Reagan-era tax deal has some lessons to teach reformers like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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You are going back to times when debt wasn’t out of control. You can do cuts then.

debt is debt.
and we didn't get to where we are today in the last 4 years

As stated in the OP it started with Reagan.

Yep. That's when Congress had to start approving every tax increase rather than getting it automatically through inflation.

 

[Nostra]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

 

[Billiejeens]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

History and politics not strong with you is it cum breath?

And yet you can’t deny any of the facts.

Deny what you don't know the facts.

Reagan had to compromise with tippy

Newt is the one who balanced the budget for a few

Fact is that repubs fuel increased spending with tax cuts.

so democrats take no responsibility for their increased spending they just blame republicans for cutting taxes.

got it.

Doesn't it seem to be the rationale that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault?

Tax payers don’t care about spending because it goes on the credit card and they get tax cuts.

now you're finally getting it

No one cares about the debt.

And it ain't gonna matter before I'm dead so i don't care either

I get it, it’s the point of the OP . Nobody will care till we increase taxes, cuts are making people care less and less.

presidents have increased taxes and still no one cared.

Reagan passed the single largest peacetime tax hike in history and no one cared that he grew the debt

Clinton raised taxes and no one cared that he raised the debt

Bush #1 raised taxes and no one cared that he increased the debt

how can you keep saying that people will care when taxes are raised when they have shown just the opposite?

Deficits decreased under Clinton. Increasing taxes is the only way. You are talking small increases. If taxes increased as much as spending then people would take notice.

no they wouldn't.

because it will never happen.

No politician will ever get elected if he says he's going to increase taxes to cover all spending.

what fantasy land do you call home?

That is the problem. And repubs are worse cause they cut taxes and increase spending.

Biden said he was increasing some taxes and was elected. It’s a start.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/27/top-tax-rate-has-been-cut-six-times-since-usually-with-democrats-help/

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts and increased spending

Extending the cuts means the rate was not changed. Had they expired rates would have increased.

but you said he should have raised taxes to cover all the spending he initiated he didn't and he still doubled the debt

I’m not saying either party is good, just that repubs are worse. Trump quickly increased Obama deficits.

and Obama doubled the debt. Democrat senators and congress men voted for republican tax cuts too you know

you are saying that it's somehow worse to die from getting strangled than getting shot when you wind up dead either way.

what you want will never happen and no democrat will do it just as no republican will.

so when you buy your ticket back to reality let me know

And trump increased Obama deficits. Bad and worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/27/top-tax-rate-has-been-cut-six-times-since-usually-with-democrats-help/

you need to do some homework

Republicans always start the cuts.

always?

JFK started cutting the top rate of the income tax

We didn’t have a debt problem then.

That's because we had automatic tax increases then.

And now repubs cut taxes when deeply in debt.

They never cut taxes.

 

[Brain357]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

And repubs passed the tax cuts when in full control. Only one farting is you trumper.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

both parties add to the debt

it's a nonexistent ethical stance to say that one party is better because they accumulated a little less debt than the other.

And as we all know ( well maybe you don't) democrats only care about debt when republicans are in office and vice versa

Only one party adds spending and cuts taxes. That is the worst. People won’t care about spending till taxes increase.

it's not going to matter.

Even democrats who raise taxes still add to the debt

Reagan passed the biggest peace time tax increases in history and he still raised the debt.

No one cares about the debt stop kidding yourself

Indeed,you can say that again.I remember everywhere I went back in clintons day just even in his first term,I could not turn around without hearing people pissed off at him for raising taxes wanting him out of office,this troll is clearly another paid shill on the dnc payroll like smellybozo,the only thing he has got right sense coming here is how Reagan tripled the debt and you know that is ONLY because he is gop that he acknowledges that fact,If he was a dem,he would be dodging that fact evading it,the proof is in the pudding on that,just look how he evades facts that Obama gave us the worst debt ever and tax increases.gipper took him to school on that.

 

[bripat9643]

Blame for the National Debt - Just Facts

Who or what is to blame for the national debt? The truth is more compelling than political rhetoric.

www.justfactsdaily.com

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

show me in this , your very first post where you said anything ab out the ratio of the debt to GDP.

You are just babbling stupidly and don’t understand economics.

so you can't show me where in your opening "arguments" that you said debt only matters if it reaches a certain level then?

It wasn’t discussed. Seems unnecessary since we are so deeply in debt. But you keep babbling stupidly...

you mean you didn't mention that it was one of the most important parts of your argument don't you?

I would have thought that since debt to GDP ratio was your standard of whether debt is "good " or "bad" you would have at least mentioned it.

but you didn't until you got caught with your pants down and your arguments that only republicans cut taxes and increase the debt failed

It’s common in economics. We are so bad mentioning where we should be seems pointless. You don’t understand economics.

Where does "common economics" say that tax increases are good for the economy?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

It gets even worse, the Dems had unbroken majority of the House from 1954 to 1994, even reach 2/3 majorly for a time.

 

[Brain357]

Blame for the National Debt - Just Facts

Who or what is to blame for the national debt? The truth is more compelling than political rhetoric.

www.justfactsdaily.com

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

show me in this , your very first post where you said anything ab out the ratio of the debt to GDP.

You are just babbling stupidly and don’t understand economics.

so you can't show me where in your opening "arguments" that you said debt only matters if it reaches a certain level then?

It wasn’t discussed. Seems unnecessary since we are so deeply in debt. But you keep babbling stupidly...

you mean you didn't mention that it was one of the most important parts of your argument don't you?

I would have thought that since debt to GDP ratio was your standard of whether debt is "good " or "bad" you would have at least mentioned it.

but you didn't until you got caught with your pants down and your arguments that only republicans cut taxes and increase the debt failed

It’s common in economics. We are so bad mentioning where we should be seems pointless. You don’t understand economics.

Where does "common economics" say that tax increases are good for the economy?

When you drastically increase spending.

 

[Nostra]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

And repubs passed the tax cuts when in full control. Only one farting is you trumper.

And revenues went up.

Post fail by Brainfart.

 

[bripat9643]

Blame for the National Debt - Just Facts

Who or what is to blame for the national debt? The truth is more compelling than political rhetoric.

www.justfactsdaily.com

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

show me in this , your very first post where you said anything ab out the ratio of the debt to GDP.

You are just babbling stupidly and don’t understand economics.

so you can't show me where in your opening "arguments" that you said debt only matters if it reaches a certain level then?

It wasn’t discussed. Seems unnecessary since we are so deeply in debt. But you keep babbling stupidly...

you mean you didn't mention that it was one of the most important parts of your argument don't you?

I would have thought that since debt to GDP ratio was your standard of whether debt is "good " or "bad" you would have at least mentioned it.

but you didn't until you got caught with your pants down and your arguments that only republicans cut taxes and increase the debt failed

It’s common in economics. We are so bad mentioning where we should be seems pointless. You don’t understand economics.

Where does "common economics" say that tax increases are good for the economy?

When you drastically increase spending.

Nope.

 

[Nostra]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

It gets even worse, the Dems had unbroken majority of the House from 1954 to 1994, even reach 2/3 majorly for a time.

Yep, but I didn't want to confuse Brainfart since he wants to blame Reagan & Trump for everything.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The funny (if predictable) thing is that I'm ALREADY seeing the Trumpsters complain about "Biden's spending".

This, after Trump made Keynes look like Ron freakin' Paul and took credit for the actions of the Fed.

They're not to be taken seriously.

The left is hypocritical in the exact same way though. Very few people have consistent outrage in politics. It's all theater.

Sure. The two ends of the spectrum can be comically similar in their behaviors.

Like someone else said so well earlier,looks like Mac is finally taking his first step in growing up admitting both parties are corrupt.

mr braindead here might want to follow macs lead and stop being a Whiney immature baby on being proven wrong by everybody.

 

[Brain357]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

And repubs passed the tax cuts when in full control. Only one farting is you trumper.

And revenues went up.

Post fail by Brainfart.

So did spending and the rate of revenue increase went down. Oops....

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The funny (if predictable) thing is that I'm ALREADY seeing the Trumpsters complain about "Biden's spending".

This, after Trump made Keynes look like Ron freakin' Paul and took credit for the actions of the Fed.

They're not to be taken seriously.

Yep, the moment Biden takes office the Republicans will suddenly become a "fiscally conservative" party again.

Too bad PARTISANS never understand that BOTH parties are irresponsible.....because they BOTH are arms of the Establishment.

Let's not forget Trump was a LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who magically became "Republican" in the 11th hour.

If you want to get to the root of Fiscal Irresponsibility....you're going to have to look deeper than either of the two parties.

 

[Nostra]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

And repubs passed the tax cuts when in full control. Only one farting is you trumper.

And revenues went up.

Post fail by Brainfart.

So did spending and the rate of revenue increase went down. Oops....

Keep moving those goal posts when defeated, Brainfart.

 

[Brain357]

The funny (if predictable) thing is that I'm ALREADY seeing the Trumpsters complain about "Biden's spending".

This, after Trump made Keynes look like Ron freakin' Paul and took credit for the actions of the Fed.

They're not to be taken seriously.

Yep, the moment Biden takes office the Republicans will suddenly become a "fiscally conservative" party again.

Too bad PARTISANS never understand that BOTH parties are irresponsible.....because they BOTH are arms of the Establishment.

Let's not forget Trump was a LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who magically became "Republican" in the 11th hour.

If you want to get to the root of Fiscal Irresponsibility....you're going to have to look deeper than either of the two parties.

They are, but only one cuts taxes and increases spending.

 

[Brain357]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

And repubs passed the tax cuts when in full control. Only one farting is you trumper.

And revenues went up.

Post fail by Brainfart.

So did spending and the rate of revenue increase went down. Oops....

Keep moving those goal posts when defeated, Brainfart.

I didn’t. Stop making excuses for your stupidity.

 

[jc456]

If you can’t concede both parties are responsible, then you ain’t worth anyone’s time

thefunny thing is you think tax cuts increase debts

 

[Nostra]

Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

And repubs passed the tax cuts when in full control. Only one farting is you trumper.

And revenues went up.

Post fail by Brainfart.

So did spending and the rate of revenue increase went down. Oops....

Keep moving those goal posts when defeated, Brainfart.

I didn’t. Stop making excuses for your stupidity.

You are in a state of denial, Brainfart.