Republicans Slam ATF For Attempting To Alter Legal Definition Of ‘Firearm’

[asaratis]

Then why are you so against them?

I support the 2nd Amendment. Read it.

Stop trolling, troll.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

It is likely impossible to take all criminals off the streets. The liberal gun-grabbers think that strict gun laws and confiscation efforts will keep criminals from having guns. They will not.

Of course it's impossible, but the Democrats don't even want to try.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Certain people have lost that right.

Then go after'em and leave everyone else alone.

 

[Crepitus]

Then go after'em and leave everyone else alone.

This is part of that.

 

[asaratis]

Of course it's impossible, but the Democrats don't even want to try.

They support criminals and gun violence, especially mass shootings. Gives them excuses to cry for abolishing our 2nd Amendment.

 

[westwall]

Ok, so why have any laws at all? Do laws against bank robbery work? How about against rape? Murder? Theft? Parking in the wrong place?

What makes guns different?

Laws don't prevent crimes. They merely codify the punishment in the now highly unlikely event that the perp is caught.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

They work for law abiding citizens. They provide punishments for criminals that are convicted of breaking them. The provide lucrative jobs for hoards of lawyers, judges, court staffs, detention centers, DUI schools, probation officers and 9 justices.



Nothing.

Really?

So, you think making a ghost gun is "law- abiding"?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

They support criminals and gun violence, especially mass shootings. Gives them excuses to cry for abolishing our 2nd Amendment.

Do you even know what it takes to ratify or amend an amendment?
40 years of the same crap (lies) from RW nut jobs.

"They are a commin' fer my guns".

 

[westwall]

Really?

So, you think making a ghost gun is "law- abiding"?

Yeah, it is. Under the law as it is written anyone who isn't a fon, or a crazy person can make one firearm per year.

Hobbyists make them, not criminals.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

This is part of that.

No it isn't. This is just another step toward banning gun ownership.

But, again, the ATF can't make laws. Only Congress can. You want the law changed? Do it legally.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Really?
So, you think making a ghost gun is "law- abiding"?

As long a syou do not make it with the intent to sell, it is -absolutely- legal -- and thus, law abiding.

 

[M14 Shooter]

"They are a commin' fer my guns".

Gun owners trust Democrats with their gun rights as much as women trust Republicans with their abortion rights -- with good reason.

 

[Rigby5]

It's a move to prevent "ghost" guns.

And it's a good idea.

You kids claim you want to stop criminals from.getting guns but not "law abiding gun owners"? This is a good way to start.

There is no legal way to make ghost guns illegal.
If someone wants to buy a machine shop to finish off castings or even raw billet into a firearm, that always has to remain legal.
It can NEVER be illegal to manufacture your own gun.

Criminals have made their own guns in the past, but no law can or will ever stop that, nor is anything gained by trying to prohibit people making their own guns.
Nor can any government ever have the authority to prevent anyone from making their own guns.

If you think kids are making their own guns, that simply is silly.

 

[Rigby5]

Preventing folks who aren't supposed to have guns from buying them piece by piece to avoid laws against them buying guns Is a good thing, right? It will not prevent folks who can legally buy them so no problems.

WRONG!

Ghost guns can not be just "bought piece by piece".
Ghost guns always requires machine shop work to finish off the pieces.
If the main receiver is finished, then it has to get stamped, recorded, and sold, as a "gun".
The only time it does not have to get stamped, recorded, and sold as a gun is if it still has to be machined into a final working part.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Preventing folks who aren't supposed to have guns from buying them piece by piece to avoid laws against them buying guns Is a good thing, right? It will not prevent folks who can legally buy them so no problems.

^^^
Abject ignorance or blatant dishonesty.
The receiver, and only the receiver, is legally considered gun; transfer of a receiver is regulated under state and federal law as a firearm.
Everything else is just parts.
So, anyone can order any part of a gun they want over the internet and have it shipped to their door, NQA -- except the receiver.
Absent the receiver, the rest of the parts are useless.

 

[Rigby5]

So why is a law that prevents criminals from buying guns any different?

Laws that prevent ex-criminals from legally being able to buy weapons for defense, are inherently illegal.
The right of individual defense not only is paramount, but you simply can not have a 2 tiered society.
Either all people are equal, or you have an oligarchy instead of a democratic republic.

If a person intends to risk the high penalty for murder or armed robbery, then adding a minor gun related penalty is not going to deter them in the least.
All it does is illegally allow prosecutors to pile on additional charges for greater sentences.

But what the gun penalties do cause and is intended for, is intimidation of honest citizens, attempting to prevent them from exercising their legal right and duty to be armed.

 

[Rigby5]

Then why are you so against them?

Because any and all federal gun laws are expressly forbidden and illegal.
That is exactly what the 2nd amendment says, that only states can make or enforce any gun laws.

 

[bodecea]

Again, Merrick Garland proves without doubt that his being withheld from consideration as a Justice on the SCOTUS bench was a wise move. He does not support our second amendment rights as guaranteed under our 2nd Amendment.

Republicans Slam ATF For Attempting To Alter Legal Definition Of 'Firearm'

More than two dozen GOP House members released a comment criticizing a proposed rule by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

thefederalist.com

The 2nd Amendment uses the word "firearms"?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Ok, so why have any laws at all? Do laws against bank robbery work? How about against rape? Murder? Theft? Parking in the wrong place?

What makes guns different?

You don't have a natural right rob. Nor a natural right to rape. Nor a natural right to steal.

That's what.

 

[bodecea]

Ok, so why have any laws at all? Do laws against bank robbery work? How about against rape? Murder? Theft? Parking in the wrong place?

What makes guns different?

Because they are gun loonies.