Right vs. Left is Logic vs. Emotion

[Papageorgio]

No, insurance is not healthcare. Control freaks will never understand… LOL

You are ok with paying for the irresponsible who choose to not have insurance?

I have never bought insurance in my life and I am not about to. What makes healthcare so expensive is Sue happy bastards with their frivolous lawsuits and their lawyers. Any type of mandatory insurance is nothing more than legalized extortion

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

 

[Brain357]

You are ok with paying for the irresponsible who choose to not have insurance?

I have never bought insurance in my life and I am not about to. What makes healthcare so expensive is Sue happy bastards with their frivolous lawsuits and their lawyers. Any type of mandatory insurance is nothing more than legalized extortion

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

Link?

 

[Rustic]

You are ok with paying for the irresponsible who choose to not have insurance?

I have never bought insurance in my life and I am not about to. What makes healthcare so expensive is Sue happy bastards with their frivolous lawsuits and their lawyers. Any type of mandatory insurance is nothing more than legalized extortion

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

 

[Brain357]

I have never bought insurance in my life and I am not about to. What makes healthcare so expensive is Sue happy bastards with their frivolous lawsuits and their lawyers. Any type of mandatory insurance is nothing more than legalized extortion

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Single payer is always cheaper. We have the most expensive healthcare now.

 

[Brain357]

I have never bought insurance in my life and I am not about to. What makes healthcare so expensive is Sue happy bastards with their frivolous lawsuits and their lawyers. Any type of mandatory insurance is nothing more than legalized extortion

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Can we afford over 600k bankruptcies?

 

[Papageorgio]

I have never bought insurance in my life and I am not about to. What makes healthcare so expensive is Sue happy bastards with their frivolous lawsuits and their lawyers. Any type of mandatory insurance is nothing more than legalized extortion

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

Link?

I was wrong, it is going to be 1.3 trillion. My apologies.

Here's How Many Billions Obamacare Will Cost in 2016

 

[Papageorgio]

No, insurance is not healthcare. Control freaks will never understand… LOL

You are ok with paying for the irresponsible who choose to not have insurance?

I have never bought insurance in my life and I am not about to. What makes healthcare so expensive is Sue happy bastards with their frivolous lawsuits and their lawyers. Any type of mandatory insurance is nothing more than legalized extortion

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Yes, because all taxpayers are paying for Obamacare at the tune of $1,3 trillion.

 

[Brain357]

The average U.S. family and their employers paid an extra $1,017 in health care premiums last year to compensate for the uninsured, according to a study to be released Thursday by an advocacy group for health care consumers.

Families USA, which supports expanded health care coverage, found that about 37% of health care costs for people without insurance — or a total of $42.7 billion — went unpaid last year. That cost eventually was shifted to the insured through higher premiums, according to the group.

Study: Insured pay 'hidden tax' for uninsured health care

 

[Papageorgio]

The average U.S. family and their employers paid an extra $1,017 in health care premiums last year to compensate for the uninsured, according to a study to be released Thursday by an advocacy group for health care consumers.

Families USA, which supports expanded health care coverage, found that about 37% of health care costs for people without insurance — or a total of $42.7 billion — went unpaid last year. That cost eventually was shifted to the insured through higher premiums, according to the group.

Study: Insured pay 'hidden tax' for uninsured health care

So, $1.3 trillion and 427 billion over the next 10 years, hmmm.... Which figure is smaller?

 

[Brain357]

The average U.S. family and their employers paid an extra $1,017 in health care premiums last year to compensate for the uninsured, according to a study to be released Thursday by an advocacy group for health care consumers.

Families USA, which supports expanded health care coverage, found that about 37% of health care costs for people without insurance — or a total of $42.7 billion — went unpaid last year. That cost eventually was shifted to the insured through higher premiums, according to the group.

Study: Insured pay 'hidden tax' for uninsured health care

So, $1.3 trillion and 427 billion over the next 10 years, hmmm.... Which figure is smaller?

Plus the cost of 600k bankruptcies.

 

[Brain357]

• In 2013, the cost of “uncompensated care” provided to uninsured individuals was $84.9 billion. Uncompensated care includes health care services without a direct source of payment. In addition, people who are uninsured paid an additional $25.8 billion out-of-pocket for their care.

Uncompensated Care for the Uninsured in 2013: A Detailed Examination

 

[Cecilie1200]

Jimmy Kimmel's recent viral monologue is a prime example of how the left values irrational emotions over logic and reason. That is why the left supports failed ideologies such as socialism, communism, etc. Because it feels good to them. They could care less that it ends in poverty, misery, and collapse.

Jimmy Kimmel illustrated this universal truth once again when he cried during his monologue about his baby (who is ok now) and proclaimed how nobody should have to decide between saving their child's life and money (as if anyone has ever had to make that "choice"). Life saving procedures cannot be denied regardless of a person's ability to pay. In addition to that inconvenient little fact, there is this gem:

The care, technology, and life saving treatment his family experienced was made possible by two, privately funded organizations. Both Cedars Sinai and Children’s Hospital LA are non-profit, not government-run, hospitals. This isn’t a coincidence.

When individuals are allowed to fund programs they like without a government mandate, we end up with more efficient and effective services. Hospitals are only one very important example.

Jimmy Kimmel’s Moving Story Shows Why Private Charity Trumps Government

Those private hospitals are great, I'm sure, but they sure are more expensive than most of the population can afford. So explain to me again how our current healthcare system is accessible to all? People can't afford to visit a hospital when they've got Obamacare--their $10,000 + deductibles are prohibitive. Same with doctor's visits. Kimmel as a father has every right to tear up relating the close call his newborn went through. You guys slamming "emotion" vs. "logic" aren't doing so hot when it comes to finding an actual solution to the problem, though. More and more people can't afford to visit doctors. Fix it.

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

The question isn't whether leftists are ALLOWED to contribute. It's whether or not they DO. And studies have shown that leftists are much, MUCH worse about putting their own personal money where their mouths are.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Single payer is always cheaper. We have the most expensive healthcare now.

Cheaper by what metric?

 

[Weatherman2020]

So what happens if you get cancer? The hospitals will still treat you. Will just be the insured that ends up paying for it. Real personal responsibility you have.

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Single payer is always cheaper. We have the most expensive healthcare now.

An analysis from the Colorado Health Institute showed that their state’s ColoradoCare proposal would start off with a deficit of over $200 million in its very first year of full operation, even with a three-year headstart on new taxes to launch the system. By the end of the tenth year, the cumulative red ink would have exceeded $7 billion — which would be more than twice the state’s annual GDP.

The solutions for this fiscal meltdown in a single-payer system, CHI noted, were all unpleasant. One option would be to cut benefits of the universal coverage, and hiking co-pays to provide disincentives for using health care. That would in some cases “reduce the level of insurance below what [Coloradans] have today,” the study noted. The state could raise taxes for the health-care system as deficits increased, which would amount to ironic premium hikes from a system designed to be a response to premium hikes from insurers. Another option: Reduce the payments provided to doctors, clinics, and hospitals for their services, which would almost certainly drive providers to either reduce their access or leave the state for greener pastures.
California's looming single-payer disaster

 

[Brain357]

Every month a portion of my insurance goes to subsidize Obamacare. Those that can't afford insurance, get it for free and I pay with increased premiums. Every visit to. A medical doctor or hospital a portion of my payment is to help pay for those with no insurance and can't afford to pay.

So I see no real advantage to having insurance or not.

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Single payer is always cheaper. We have the most expensive healthcare now.

Cheaper by what metric?

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries


Pearson: Whether measured relative to its population or its economy, the United States spends by far the most in the world on health care.

The U.S. spent $8,233 on health per person in 2010. Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland are the next highest spenders, but in the same year, they all spent at least $3,000 less per person. The average spending on health care among the other 33 developed OECD countries was $3,268 per person.

 

[Rustic]

Most people are paying for Obamacare.

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Single payer is always cheaper. We have the most expensive healthcare now.

Cheaper by what metric?

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries


Pearson: Whether measured relative to its population or its economy, the United States spends by far the most in the world on health care.

The U.S. spent $8,233 on health per person in 2010. Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland are the next highest spenders, but in the same year, they all spent at least $3,000 less per person. The average spending on health care among the other 33 developed OECD countries was $3,268 per person.

Single payer would be the most expensive to those that have to pay for it. Deadbeats and the like would not have to pay nothing.

 

[danielpalos]

The average U.S. family and their employers paid an extra $1,017 in health care premiums last year to compensate for the uninsured, according to a study to be released Thursday by an advocacy group for health care consumers.

Families USA, which supports expanded health care coverage, found that about 37% of health care costs for people without insurance — or a total of $42.7 billion — went unpaid last year. That cost eventually was shifted to the insured through higher premiums, according to the group.

Study: Insured pay 'hidden tax' for uninsured health care

So, $1.3 trillion and 427 billion over the next 10 years, hmmm.... Which figure is smaller?

Capitalists are welcome to create a perpetual Jobs Boom so more people will be working and paying taxes.

 

[danielpalos]

Jimmy Kimmel's recent viral monologue is a prime example of how the left values irrational emotions over logic and reason. That is why the left supports failed ideologies such as socialism, communism, etc. Because it feels good to them. They could care less that it ends in poverty, misery, and collapse.

Jimmy Kimmel illustrated this universal truth once again when he cried during his monologue about his baby (who is ok now) and proclaimed how nobody should have to decide between saving their child's life and money (as if anyone has ever had to make that "choice"). Life saving procedures cannot be denied regardless of a person's ability to pay. In addition to that inconvenient little fact, there is this gem:

The care, technology, and life saving treatment his family experienced was made possible by two, privately funded organizations. Both Cedars Sinai and Children’s Hospital LA are non-profit, not government-run, hospitals. This isn’t a coincidence.

When individuals are allowed to fund programs they like without a government mandate, we end up with more efficient and effective services. Hospitals are only one very important example.

Jimmy Kimmel’s Moving Story Shows Why Private Charity Trumps Government

Those private hospitals are great, I'm sure, but they sure are more expensive than most of the population can afford. So explain to me again how our current healthcare system is accessible to all? People can't afford to visit a hospital when they've got Obamacare--their $10,000 + deductibles are prohibitive. Same with doctor's visits. Kimmel as a father has every right to tear up relating the close call his newborn went through. You guys slamming "emotion" vs. "logic" aren't doing so hot when it comes to finding an actual solution to the problem, though. More and more people can't afford to visit doctors. Fix it.

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

The question isn't whether leftists are ALLOWED to contribute. It's whether or not they DO. And studies have shown that leftists are much, MUCH worse about putting their own personal money where their mouths are.

It isn't Only for the bottom line, for the left.

 

[danielpalos]

Over the next 10 years we are going to be paying $1 trillion to help subsidize those that can not afford their full premiums.

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Single payer is always cheaper. We have the most expensive healthcare now.

Cheaper by what metric?

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries


Pearson: Whether measured relative to its population or its economy, the United States spends by far the most in the world on health care.

The U.S. spent $8,233 on health per person in 2010. Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland are the next highest spenders, but in the same year, they all spent at least $3,000 less per person. The average spending on health care among the other 33 developed OECD countries was $3,268 per person.

Single payer would be the most expensive to those that have to pay for it. Deadbeats and the like would not have to pay nothing.

Why do you believe that would be the case, if taxes for health care can come from anywhere, not just employment compensation.

 

[Rustic]

That is why Obama care cannot be afforded, Single payer would be much, much worse…

Single payer is always cheaper. We have the most expensive healthcare now.

Cheaper by what metric?

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries


Pearson: Whether measured relative to its population or its economy, the United States spends by far the most in the world on health care.

The U.S. spent $8,233 on health per person in 2010. Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland are the next highest spenders, but in the same year, they all spent at least $3,000 less per person. The average spending on health care among the other 33 developed OECD countries was $3,268 per person.

Single payer would be the most expensive to those that have to pay for it. Deadbeats and the like would not have to pay nothing.

Why do you believe that would be the case, if taxes for health care can come from anywhere, not just employment compensation.

Anytime a pool is paid into it is abused, people should not be forced into something they will never use and never benefit from.