Right-wing populism

[Unkotare]

OP you don't understand conservatives at all, we just want the freedom to be left alone. Unfortunately the left runs amok trying to force its views on everyone else. There's no middle ground with the left its obey, comply, agree or be punished via regulations, fines, regulations, restrictions, lawsuits, propaganda, public character attacks.

Just want the freedom to be left alone?

What about abortion?

What about same sex marriage?

What about military spending?

What about climate change?

What does any of that have to do with being left alone? It sounds more like imposing your beliefs onto others to me.

Ah, here we have a perfect example. Gays intentionally target Christian bakeries to force them to accept their view on gay marriage. This conflicts with the Christian bakery owner's religious beliefs so they refuse to obey. Instead of walking down the street and buying a cake elsewhere the gays sue the crap out of the Christian bakery for refusing to obey, they try to destroy them financially, and launch personal attacks in the left media. Thanks!

Do you think that arguing how the evil gay boogeyman conspiracy is persecuting and oppressing "the people" is a refutation of my argument about the rise of right wing populism?

Such an argument is baseless.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It's funny that you think I'm a "hardcore partisan".

Well, your posts might something to do with it.
.

And by your posts, it would appear that all you think about on a daily basis is the boogeyman of "political correctness".

As far as I'm concerned, the American left is as bad as the American right, and I haven't voted in a national election since 2000.

I'll believe that when I see you laying into lefties a few times.

No hurry.
.

I don't care if you believe me or not.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

OP you don't understand conservatives at all, we just want the freedom to be left alone. Unfortunately the left runs amok trying to force its views on everyone else. There's no middle ground with the left its obey, comply, agree or be punished via regulations, fines, regulations, restrictions, lawsuits, propaganda, public character attacks.

Just want the freedom to be left alone?

What about abortion?

What about same sex marriage?

What about military spending?

What about climate change?

What does any of that have to do with being left alone? It sounds more like imposing your beliefs onto others to me.

Ah, here we have a perfect example. Gays intentionally target Christian bakeries to force them to accept their view on gay marriage. This conflicts with the Christian bakery owner's religious beliefs so they refuse to obey. Instead of walking down the street and buying a cake elsewhere the gays sue the crap out of the Christian bakery for refusing to obey, they try to destroy them financially, and launch personal attacks in the left media. Thanks!

Do you think that arguing how the evil gay boogeyman conspiracy is persecuting and oppressing "the people" is a refutation of my argument about the rise of right wing populism?

Such an argument is baseless.

I'm not sure which argument you are referring to. Are you say that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

 

[Toro]

Populist nationalism is the new new thing.

 

[The Rabbi]

Pathetically, one of the common arguments on this board is the Godwin argument - which side is more like the Nazis, and so one. Arguments over the words "national socialism", Stalin's crimes, and so on.

But there's an important thing that everyone seems to miss. The common element that exists between nearly all of the regimes that have committed the worst crimes against humanity is not "left" or "right", it's populism - or more specifically, nationalism and populism - and today, those are on the rise all over the world - mostly from right wing parties, but echoed on the left as well. A glance at the current status of much of Eastern Europe will give you a good example - and the support from American movement conservatives for the borderline fascist governments in Hungary based on their reactions to immigration highlights the issue even more.

Trump is the current king of populism on the right in the US. Carson and Cruz are close seconds. On the left, Sanders is the populist hero, and even Hillary dabbles in it in her speeches.

This is interesting from a number of political theory perspectives. Traditionally the "Conservative" ideology is an antithesis to populism - conservatism being the ideology of long-term, slow change, with respect given to authority and the status quo. The basis for conservatism is the idea that man is inherently fallible, and that systems of authority exist to maintain the natural hierarchy and status quo - while the basis for populism is in passionate and emotional "us versus them" rhetoric and mob rule.

What is the explanation for the rise of right-wing populism? Why have ideologies shifted? What will be the end result of this in the US? Are we as a country smart enough to avoid the traps of authoritarian populism?

That post utterly fails on almost every level. From conflating Donald Trump to the authoritarian right in Hungary, to assuming that conservatives believe people are flawed (it's the opposite, btw. Liberal want to control people), to being simply a loaded question/
This thread belongs in the Taunting Zone, at best.

 

[GWV5903]

It's funny that you think I'm a "hardcore partisan".

Well, your posts might something to do with it.
.

And by your posts, it would appear that all you think about on a daily basis is the boogeyman of "political correctness".

As far as I'm concerned, the American left is as bad as the American right, and I haven't voted in a national election since 2000.

I'll believe that when I see you laying into lefties a few times.

No hurry.
.

That would be next to impossible, oh wait it is impossible...

Doc is a liberal, just can't quite admit it...

 

[Unkotare]

Are you say [sic] that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

 

[The Rabbi]

Are you say [sic] that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

Not any more than left wing populism is on the rise. Look at the Canadian election and the selection of a Holocaust denier to head the British Labour Party. Then compare that with Bernie Sanders' appeal.

 

[Unkotare]

Populist nationalism is the new new thing.

How is that new?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Are you say [sic] that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

Do you believe that someone like Donald Trump, running the campaign that he is running today, would have gotten anywhere near this far in any of the elections of the last 30 years?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It's funny that you think I'm a "hardcore partisan".

Well, your posts might something to do with it.
.

And by your posts, it would appear that all you think about on a daily basis is the boogeyman of "political correctness".

As far as I'm concerned, the American left is as bad as the American right, and I haven't voted in a national election since 2000.

I'll believe that when I see you laying into lefties a few times.

No hurry.
.

That would be next to impossible, oh wait it is impossible...

Doc is a liberal, just can't quite admit it...

I'm happy to admit to being a "liberal".

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Are you say [sic] that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

Do you believe that someone like Donald Trump, running the campaign that he is running today, would have gotten anywhere near this far in any of the elections of the last 30 years?

probably not because:

1) Democrats have dumbed down the electorate each year by registering more and more illiterate dependents

2) Democrat's economic recovery has been worst since Great Depression

3) 20 million illegals have taken 20 million America jobs

4) Global competition is harder than ever

5) traditional govt is more gridlocked than ever

6) Outsiders are more aware of liberal stupidity than ever.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I'm happy to admit to being a "liberal".

why not try to say something intelligent in support of liberalism??

 

[The Rabbi]

Are you say [sic] that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

Do you believe that someone like Donald Trump, running the campaign that he is running today, would have gotten anywhere near this far in any of the elections of the last 30 years?

So what? Would Barack Obama have gotten that far running in the 1980s? Would Bernie Sanders have gotten where he is running against Jimmy Carter?
It's a nonsense question. Campaigns are products of their times. Reagan running today would not do as well as he did in 1979.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Are you say [sic] that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

Do you believe that someone like Donald Trump, running the campaign that he is running today, would have gotten anywhere near this far in any of the elections of the last 30 years?

So what? Would Barack Obama have gotten that far running in the 1980s? Would Bernie Sanders have gotten where he is running against Jimmy Carter?
It's a nonsense question. Campaigns are products of their times. Reagan running today would not do as well as he did in 1979.

No shit. That's my point.

 

[The Rabbi]

Are you say [sic] that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

Do you believe that someone like Donald Trump, running the campaign that he is running today, would have gotten anywhere near this far in any of the elections of the last 30 years?

So what? Would Barack Obama have gotten that far running in the 1980s? Would Bernie Sanders have gotten where he is running against Jimmy Carter?
It's a nonsense question. Campaigns are products of their times. Reagan running today would not do as well as he did in 1979.

No shit. That's my point.

Your point is irrelevant? I agree!
This thread is a complete fail. It is filled with trolling, false suppositions, and badgering attempts. ANyone else and it would have been moved to the Rubber Room long ago.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Are you say [sic] that you believe that right wing populism is not on the rise?

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

Do you believe that someone like Donald Trump, running the campaign that he is running today, would have gotten anywhere near this far in any of the elections of the last 30 years?

So what? Would Barack Obama have gotten that far running in the 1980s? Would Bernie Sanders have gotten where he is running against Jimmy Carter?
It's a nonsense question. Campaigns are products of their times. Reagan running today would not do as well as he did in 1979.

No shit. That's my point.

Your point is irrelevant? I agree!
This thread is a complete fail. It is filled with trolling, false suppositions, and badgering attempts. ANyone else and it would have been moved to the Rubber Room long ago.

The entire point of this thread is that campaigns are products of their times - and the populist campaigns we're seeing from Trump and the other clowns are products of these times - times that see a rise of right-wing populism and nationalism.

 

[The Rabbi]

It is not, any more than usual or any more than relative to any other 'movement' more than three people believe in.

Do you believe that someone like Donald Trump, running the campaign that he is running today, would have gotten anywhere near this far in any of the elections of the last 30 years?

So what? Would Barack Obama have gotten that far running in the 1980s? Would Bernie Sanders have gotten where he is running against Jimmy Carter?
It's a nonsense question. Campaigns are products of their times. Reagan running today would not do as well as he did in 1979.

No shit. That's my point.

Your point is irrelevant? I agree!
This thread is a complete fail. It is filled with trolling, false suppositions, and badgering attempts. ANyone else and it would have been moved to the Rubber Room long ago.

The entire point of this thread is that campaigns are products of their times - and the populist campaigns we're seeing from Trump and the other clowns are products of these times - times that see a rise of right-wing populism and nationalism.

And completely ignoring the left-wing populism of a Bernie Sanders. We get it.
Yeah, people are pissed. And pols understan that and try to explout it. So fucking what?
Obama and the Democrat have failed to deliver on every single promise. Their policies have produced GDP growth of 1.5% and incomes lower than the day Bush left office. In foreign policy we are so weak and ineffectual most countries simply ignore us. Yes, people are angry. They have been robbed of 8 years of wage and wealth growth. So no shit politicians left and right are going to try to tap into that.
Your point? Again?

 

[BluesLegend]

OP you don't understand conservatives at all, we just want the freedom to be left alone. Unfortunately the left runs amok trying to force its views on everyone else. There's no middle ground with the left its obey, comply, agree or be punished via regulations, fines, regulations, restrictions, lawsuits, propaganda, public character attacks.

Just want the freedom to be left alone?

What about abortion?

What about same sex marriage?

What about military spending?

What about climate change?

What does any of that have to do with being left alone? It sounds more like imposing your beliefs onto others to me.

Ah, here we have a perfect example. Gays intentionally target Christian bakeries to force them to accept their view on gay marriage. This conflicts with the Christian bakery owner's religious beliefs so they refuse to obey. Instead of walking down the street and buying a cake elsewhere the gays sue the crap out of the Christian bakery for refusing to obey, they try to destroy them financially, and launch personal attacks in the left media. Thanks!

Do you think that arguing how the evil gay boogeyman conspiracy is persecuting and oppressing "the people" is a refutation of my argument about the rise of right wing populism?

Its no conspiracy its a well documented case that has been all over the media. There is no such thing as right wing populism, there is only the left who refuse to leave us alone and keep poking sticks at us.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Do you believe that someone like Donald Trump, running the campaign that he is running today, would have gotten anywhere near this far in any of the elections of the last 30 years?

So what? Would Barack Obama have gotten that far running in the 1980s? Would Bernie Sanders have gotten where he is running against Jimmy Carter?
It's a nonsense question. Campaigns are products of their times. Reagan running today would not do as well as he did in 1979.

No shit. That's my point.

Your point is irrelevant? I agree!
This thread is a complete fail. It is filled with trolling, false suppositions, and badgering attempts. ANyone else and it would have been moved to the Rubber Room long ago.

The entire point of this thread is that campaigns are products of their times - and the populist campaigns we're seeing from Trump and the other clowns are products of these times - times that see a rise of right-wing populism and nationalism.

And completely ignoring the left-wing populism of a Bernie Sanders. We get it.
Yeah, people are pissed. And pols understan that and try to explout it. So fucking what?
Obama and the Democrat have failed to deliver on every single promise. Their policies have produced GDP growth of 1.5% and incomes lower than the day Bush left office. In foreign policy we are so weak and ineffectual most countries simply ignore us. Yes, people are angry. They have been robbed of 8 years of wage and wealth growth. So no shit politicians left and right are going to try to tap into that.
Your point? Again?

If by "ignoring" Bernie Sanders, you meaning mentioning him specifically in my OP, then sure.

And the rest of your post makes my point for me.