Rightwingers: what do you think of Bernie's plan for free tuition?

[jon_berzerk]

So why aren't you going after the folks that are gouging students instead of the middle class? BTW you didn't answer my question about taxing the trillions in endowments colleges are sitting on, I guess you have no problem with big schools that gouge their customers.

Oh, I'm fine with taxing the endowments, I must have missed that, sorry.

What about the text book publishers?

Regulate the prices, this is unacceptable:
College Textbook Prices Have Risen 1 041 Percent Since 1977 - NBC News

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

 

[David_42]

Oh, I'm fine with taxing the endowments, I must have missed that, sorry.

What about the text book publishers?

Regulate the prices, this is unacceptable:
College Textbook Prices Have Risen 1 041 Percent Since 1977 - NBC News

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

Oh please, the government can, and does, help people, reagan wasn't to bright, he'd probably be labeled a left winger in today's GOP..

 

[jon_berzerk]

What about the text book publishers?

Regulate the prices, this is unacceptable:
College Textbook Prices Have Risen 1 041 Percent Since 1977 - NBC News

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

Oh please, the government can, and does, help people, reagan wasn't to bright, he'd probably be labeled a left winger in today's GOP..

that certainly is not the case with college costs

they have made it skyrocket

 

[David_42]

Regulate the prices, this is unacceptable:
College Textbook Prices Have Risen 1 041 Percent Since 1977 - NBC News

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

Oh please, the government can, and does, help people, reagan wasn't to bright, he'd probably be labeled a left winger in today's GOP..

that certainly is not the case with college costs

they have made it skyrocket

Back that up buddy, I'm sure the government is responsible for rising text book prices and rising costs of private colleges, amirite? /s

 

[Zander]

Bernie, like this plan, is a crackpot.

 

[OKTexas]

The year doesn't matter, the point is I did what I needed to do, my family was lower middle class, I worked all through high school. I did it to buy a car, and pay for gas, insurance, registration and maintenance. I paid $75.00 for my first car and it was 27 years old when I bought it. If people want something bad enough, they'll find a way to get it.

The year does matter, conditions change, the cost of living in the 80's/90's is alot different then today. 75$ LOL. Good luck finding that today, it's unrealistic what you're expecting people to do. Oh sure, make everyone fight like blood thirsty dogs to scrape into the middle class, great plan.

LMAO, the last college grad I met, asked, do you want fries with that?

Yeah, it's getting harder to find jobs once you graduate to..

And your solution is to provide a glut of over qualified idiots to work at McDonalds, and of course you want to pay them according to their worthless education instead of what their labor is actually worth to the business. You're so free with other peoples money, that's why socialism fails 100% of the time. Why put out effort if the government is going to give you everything you need?

Where the hell did I say that was my solution? If we're already having a problem with people barely being able to afford college and a lack of jobs, we need to reinvest in job programs, at the federal level, along with encouraging companies to hire new graduates. Socialism/capitalism are mixed in every advanced country bud, both fail when left unchecked.

You want to send every swinging richard to college, even as many now who pay their way aren't qualified to enter the job market.
Show me in the Constitution where jobs programs are a federal function.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The year does matter, conditions change, the cost of living in the 80's/90's is alot different then today. 75$ LOL. Good luck finding that today, it's unrealistic what you're expecting people to do. Oh sure, make everyone fight like blood thirsty dogs to scrape into the middle class, great plan.

LMAO, the last college grad I met, asked, do you want fries with that?

Yeah, it's getting harder to find jobs once you graduate to..

And your solution is to provide a glut of over qualified idiots to work at McDonalds, and of course you want to pay them according to their worthless education instead of what their labor is actually worth to the business. You're so free with other peoples money, that's why socialism fails 100% of the time. Why put out effort if the government is going to give you everything you need?

Where the hell did I say that was my solution? If we're already having a problem with people barely being able to afford college and a lack of jobs, we need to reinvest in job programs, at the federal level, along with encouraging companies to hire new graduates. Socialism/capitalism are mixed in every advanced country bud, both fail when left unchecked.

You want to send every swinging richard to college, even as many now why pay their way aren't qualified to enter the job market.
Show me in the Constitution where jobs programs are a federal function.

pay for it yourself

you will appreciate it more

 

[David_42]

The year does matter, conditions change, the cost of living in the 80's/90's is alot different then today. 75$ LOL. Good luck finding that today, it's unrealistic what you're expecting people to do. Oh sure, make everyone fight like blood thirsty dogs to scrape into the middle class, great plan.

LMAO, the last college grad I met, asked, do you want fries with that?

Yeah, it's getting harder to find jobs once you graduate to..

And your solution is to provide a glut of over qualified idiots to work at McDonalds, and of course you want to pay them according to their worthless education instead of what their labor is actually worth to the business. You're so free with other peoples money, that's why socialism fails 100% of the time. Why put out effort if the government is going to give you everything you need?

Where the hell did I say that was my solution? If we're already having a problem with people barely being able to afford college and a lack of jobs, we need to reinvest in job programs, at the federal level, along with encouraging companies to hire new graduates. Socialism/capitalism are mixed in every advanced country bud, both fail when left unchecked.

You want to send every swinging richard to college, even as many now why pay their way aren't qualified to enter the job market.
Show me in the Constitution where jobs programs are a federal function.

No, I don't, I think everyone should have the opportunity to go to college without having to worry about debt. Oh please, the constitution is flexible and an old document, new deal like programs sound good to me.

 

[Zander]

The year does matter, conditions change, the cost of living in the 80's/90's is alot different then today. 75$ LOL. Good luck finding that today, it's unrealistic what you're expecting people to do. Oh sure, make everyone fight like blood thirsty dogs to scrape into the middle class, great plan.

LMAO, the last college grad I met, asked, do you want fries with that?

Yeah, it's getting harder to find jobs once you graduate to..

And your solution is to provide a glut of over qualified idiots to work at McDonalds, and of course you want to pay them according to their worthless education instead of what their labor is actually worth to the business. You're so free with other peoples money, that's why socialism fails 100% of the time. Why put out effort if the government is going to give you everything you need?

Where the hell did I say that was my solution? If we're already having a problem with people barely being able to afford college and a lack of jobs, we need to reinvest in job programs, at the federal level, along with encouraging companies to hire new graduates. Socialism/capitalism are mixed in every advanced country bud, both fail when left unchecked.

You want to send every swinging richard to college, even as many now why pay their way aren't qualified to enter the job market.
Show me in the Constitution where jobs programs are a federal function.

It's under Article 69 of paragraph 7-11, under Interstate commerce and shit.....

 

[OKTexas]

So why aren't you going after the folks that are gouging students instead of the middle class? BTW you didn't answer my question about taxing the trillions in endowments colleges are sitting on, I guess you have no problem with big schools that gouge their customers.

Oh, I'm fine with taxing the endowments, I must have missed that, sorry.

What about the text book publishers?

Regulate the prices, this is unacceptable:
College Textbook Prices Have Risen 1 041 Percent Since 1977 - NBC News

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

And it does nothing but make the problem worse, more dollars chasing a limited supply, that is the prescription for inflation, hyperinflation in this case.

 

[David_42]

Oh, I'm fine with taxing the endowments, I must have missed that, sorry.

What about the text book publishers?

Regulate the prices, this is unacceptable:
College Textbook Prices Have Risen 1 041 Percent Since 1977 - NBC News

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

And it does nothing but make the problem worse, more dollars chasing a limited supply, that is the prescription for inflation, hyperinflation in this case.

No, it really doesn't many people would have not gone to college at all if it weren't for the government helping.

 

[Political Junky]

I don't buy your source at all. The reality is that part time work among professors is on the rise and their salaries have remained flat between 2002 and 2010.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/0...-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?referrer=

How staff benefits and student services drive up college tuition Education Lab Blog Seattle Times

From you first link, which answers all the statements you have made.

In fact, public investment in higher education in America is vastly larger today, in inflation-adjusted dollars, than it was during the supposed golden age of public funding in the 1960s. Such spending has increased at a much faster rate than government spending in general. For example, the military’s budget is about 1.8 times higher today than it was in 1960, while legislative appropriations to higher education are more than 10 times higher.

In other words, far from being caused by funding cuts, the astonishing rise in college tuition correlates closely with a huge increase in public subsidies for higher education. If over the past three decades car prices had gone up as fast as tuition, the average new car would cost more than $80,000.

Some of this increased spending in education has been driven by a sharp rise in the percentage of Americans who go to college. While the college-age population has not increased since the tail end of the baby boom, the percentage of the population enrolled in college has risen significantly, especially in the last 20 years. Enrollment in undergraduate, graduate and professional programs has increased by almost 50 percent since 1995. As a consequence, while state legislative appropriations for higher education have risen much faster than inflation, total state appropriations per student are somewhat lower than they were at their peak in 1990. (Appropriations per student are much higher now than they were in the 1960s and 1970s, when tuition was a small fraction of what it is today.)

According to your source I will admit to being wrong in blaming the professors, although sources show otherwise professors don't seem to be the problem it is just colleges increasing administration to justify increase in costs.

From your link;

By contrast, a major factor driving increasing costs is the constant expansion of university administration. According to the Department of Education data, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent between 1993 and 2009, which Bloomberg reported was 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions.

Even more strikingly, an analysis by a professor at California Polytechnic University, Pomona, found that, while the total number of full-time faculty members in the C.S.U. system grew from 11,614 to 12,019 between 1975 and 2008, the total number of administrators grew from 3,800 to 12,183 — a 221 percent increase.

Yes but none of this changes the fact that less college professors are working full time and are being paid flat. While the administrative costs do matter in the issue of rising cost of tuition, it doesn't change the fact that the primary reason for the higher costs is less government funding. These institutions depend on them. It says that in the very text you copied and pasted.

That is a problem with the administration of the college. College administrators, according to you link, are now demanding 7 figure wages. WTF do they do to earn that money?

This isn't a compelling reason not to have the government fund tuition. If we need to curb the wages of college administrators, then we will. Again, all of this depends on government funding.

So do you seriously think the Democrats will cut the pay of all those Liberals they have indoctrinating the students?????

I'm beginning to think you really are stupid enough to believe that.

 

[jon_berzerk]

LMAO, the last college grad I met, asked, do you want fries with that?

Yeah, it's getting harder to find jobs once you graduate to..

And your solution is to provide a glut of over qualified idiots to work at McDonalds, and of course you want to pay them according to their worthless education instead of what their labor is actually worth to the business. You're so free with other peoples money, that's why socialism fails 100% of the time. Why put out effort if the government is going to give you everything you need?

Where the hell did I say that was my solution? If we're already having a problem with people barely being able to afford college and a lack of jobs, we need to reinvest in job programs, at the federal level, along with encouraging companies to hire new graduates. Socialism/capitalism are mixed in every advanced country bud, both fail when left unchecked.

You want to send every swinging richard to college, even as many now why pay their way aren't qualified to enter the job market.
Show me in the Constitution where jobs programs are a federal function.

It's under Article 69 of paragraph 7-11, under Interstate commerce and shit.....

it is in the good and plenty clause

 

[Political Junky]

The estimated cost per year for the government providing free tuition would be about 60 billion. Bernie would place a tax on Wall Street speculation to pay for it.

Now before you all go into your rants about "liberal free lunch bullshit derp, derp, derp!" you should consider WHY this is a great idea. This isn't about giving individuals hand outs, this is about how higher education benefits the country as a whole. Plenty of intelligent people who cannot afford to go to college or are discouraged by the massive student debt that they would accumulate choose not to attend. Imagine the implications if we had an influx of people getting degrees in science, public policy, or business administration. Don't you think those educated people would bring a great deal of contribution to this country?

Shittiest idea to come down the pike.
First, a lot of people have no business going to college. They will simply not benefit from it.
Second, with the average unemployment/underemployment rate for recent college grads at close to 50% it is clear adding more useless BA's to the mix will not make anyone richer.
Third, as pointed out colleges will simply raise tuition to whatever they can get
Fourth, "Wall St Speculators" have been popular targets for 200 years. Because no one understands what they do and the valuable service they perform they are an easy target. But taxing them will be shooting ourselves in the foot.

Reason you didn't go to college is in your second sentence.... "average unemployment/underemployment rate for recent college grads " is nowhere near 50% which shows you would fail every college course because you can't argue a case on evidence..
Unemployment for recent college graduates higher in 2014 but prospects brightening this year Fox News
12.4%
So you ignorance of evidence based arguments is the real reason...

Let me make clear to you, you lack the intellectual capacity or the discipline to gain a degree.

I went to college and grad school.
You must have left sometime around 9th grade.
Overqualified and Underemployed The Job Market Waiting for Graduates - Forbes

Face it, you are simply wrong. And stupid. Quit posting and wasting everyone's time with your worthless trash.

The grad school you supposedly went to should be shut down.

 

[OKTexas]

LMAO, the last college grad I met, asked, do you want fries with that?

Yeah, it's getting harder to find jobs once you graduate to..

And your solution is to provide a glut of over qualified idiots to work at McDonalds, and of course you want to pay them according to their worthless education instead of what their labor is actually worth to the business. You're so free with other peoples money, that's why socialism fails 100% of the time. Why put out effort if the government is going to give you everything you need?

Where the hell did I say that was my solution? If we're already having a problem with people barely being able to afford college and a lack of jobs, we need to reinvest in job programs, at the federal level, along with encouraging companies to hire new graduates. Socialism/capitalism are mixed in every advanced country bud, both fail when left unchecked.

You want to send every swinging richard to college, even as many now why pay their way aren't qualified to enter the job market.
Show me in the Constitution where jobs programs are a federal function.

No, I don't, I think everyone should have the opportunity to go to college without having to worry about debt. Oh please, the constitution is flexible and an old document, new deal like programs sound good to me.

Then what's all this crap about free college? And no the Constitution is not flexible and it's age doesn't alter the FACT that it is still the supreme law of the land. You want it changed, see Article 5.

 

[David_42]

Yeah, it's getting harder to find jobs once you graduate to..

And your solution is to provide a glut of over qualified idiots to work at McDonalds, and of course you want to pay them according to their worthless education instead of what their labor is actually worth to the business. You're so free with other peoples money, that's why socialism fails 100% of the time. Why put out effort if the government is going to give you everything you need?

Where the hell did I say that was my solution? If we're already having a problem with people barely being able to afford college and a lack of jobs, we need to reinvest in job programs, at the federal level, along with encouraging companies to hire new graduates. Socialism/capitalism are mixed in every advanced country bud, both fail when left unchecked.

You want to send every swinging richard to college, even as many now why pay their way aren't qualified to enter the job market.
Show me in the Constitution where jobs programs are a federal function.

No, I don't, I think everyone should have the opportunity to go to college without having to worry about debt. Oh please, the constitution is flexible and an old document, new deal like programs sound good to me.

Then what's all this crap about free college? And no the Constitution is not flexible and it's age doesn't alter the FACT that it is still the supreme law of the land. You want it changed, see Article 5.

That's what it essentially is, tuition free college. Err, the constitution isn't against federal job programs.

 

[OKTexas]

What about the text book publishers?

Regulate the prices, this is unacceptable:
College Textbook Prices Have Risen 1 041 Percent Since 1977 - NBC News

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

And it does nothing but make the problem worse, more dollars chasing a limited supply, that is the prescription for inflation, hyperinflation in this case.

No, it really doesn't many people would have not gone to college at all if it weren't for the government helping.

You don't know much about economics do you?

 

[David_42]

Regulate the prices, this is unacceptable:
College Textbook Prices Have Risen 1 041 Percent Since 1977 - NBC News

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

And it does nothing but make the problem worse, more dollars chasing a limited supply, that is the prescription for inflation, hyperinflation in this case.

No, it really doesn't many people would have not gone to college at all if it weren't for the government helping.

You don't know much about economics do you?

Neither do you it seems, it's an undeniable fact that without pell grants/etc students wouldn't be able to go to college/wouldn't bother.

 

[OKTexas]

And your solution is to provide a glut of over qualified idiots to work at McDonalds, and of course you want to pay them according to their worthless education instead of what their labor is actually worth to the business. You're so free with other peoples money, that's why socialism fails 100% of the time. Why put out effort if the government is going to give you everything you need?

Where the hell did I say that was my solution? If we're already having a problem with people barely being able to afford college and a lack of jobs, we need to reinvest in job programs, at the federal level, along with encouraging companies to hire new graduates. Socialism/capitalism are mixed in every advanced country bud, both fail when left unchecked.

You want to send every swinging richard to college, even as many now why pay their way aren't qualified to enter the job market.
Show me in the Constitution where jobs programs are a federal function.

No, I don't, I think everyone should have the opportunity to go to college without having to worry about debt. Oh please, the constitution is flexible and an old document, new deal like programs sound good to me.

Then what's all this crap about free college? And no the Constitution is not flexible and it's age doesn't alter the FACT that it is still the supreme law of the land. You want it changed, see Article 5.

That's what it essentially is, tuition free college. Err, the constitution isn't against federal job programs.

Yet you can't show me where it is an authorized expenditure, see Article 1. Section 8. aka, the enumerated powers of the federal government.

 

[OKTexas]

Actually it's what you get when the government starts giving money willy nilly, students don't care, it's not their money. Even used text books cost way more than they should.

Seriously? This has been happening since 1977, the government steps in to help students deal with this shit.

And it does nothing but make the problem worse, more dollars chasing a limited supply, that is the prescription for inflation, hyperinflation in this case.

No, it really doesn't many people would have not gone to college at all if it weren't for the government helping.

You don't know much about economics do you?

Neither do you it seems, it's an undeniable fact that without pell grants/etc students wouldn't be able to go to college/wouldn't bother.

More dollars chasing a fixed supply = inflation. Period end of story. That's economics, not bleeding heart BS.