Russia fires at Ukraine ships, captures 3

[airplanemechanic]

This is huge news, a huge escalation in the conflict in Crimea.

Russia fires at Ukraine ships and captures three vessels off Crimea

 

[Stratford57]

3 Ukrainian ships were doing their best today provoking Russia in Black see (Russian territory). The video released by Russian authorities show border guard ships pursuing Ukrainian vessels that maneuvered dangerously close to them.
RAW: Coast Guard traces Ukrainian vessels after breach of Russian waters

Ukrainian vessels heading to Kerch Strait from Azov Sea on way to their port – FSB

All three Ukrainian Navy vessels that violated Russia’s border detained in Black Sea

Ukraine is desperate because International Monetary Fund stopped transferring money to Ukraine and they badly need a conflict to attract sympathy from the West and possibly money+weapons. Besides there will be presidential elections in March and Poroshenko's rating is 7% while post-coup Ukraine is without gas, without money, without heat in radiators, without medical assistance, without education.

Nov, 17, former deputy head of the Main Headquarters of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Igor Romanenko:
It is necessary to sharpen and transfigure the situation into a large-scale war. In this situation, Ukraine will be able to count on the help of the West in diplomatic and economic formats. And if the conflict is aggravated, then we will be more actively helped with weapons - not in the way it is now.

https: //apostrophe.ua/article/society/accidents/2018-11-17/mejdu-ukrainoy-i-rossiey-zagoraetsya-tretiy-ochag-est-opasnost-bolshoy-voynyi/22103
^ I added a space to the name of the link because it's a Ukrainian site and contains banned [on our forum] letters.

 

[theHawk]

Let me guess, the globalist pigs will be along to tell us we should intervene and of course be on the side of Ukraine.

 

[Stratford57]

Let me guess, the globalist pigs will be along to tell us we should intervene and of course be on the side of Ukraine.

Especially, just 5 days before Trump and Putin are meeting in Argentina.

Putin, Trump to hold substantive meeting at G20 in Argentina – Kremlin aide

Certain Washington Elites and Deep State do not want this meeting to be productive and trying to stick its wheels with their puppet regime in Ukraine. As usual.

 

[Eugene]

One should also take into account that Poroshenko wants to keep his presidentship. Presidential elections are to be held in March in Ukraine and Poroshenko has no any chance while in case of martial law he will keep his position.
Today Rada (ukr.parlament) will vote for it to be announced.

 

[Mindful]

This is huge news, a huge escalation in the conflict in Crimea.

Russia fires at Ukraine ships and captures three vessels off Crimea

It certainly is big news.

Another bloody conflict?

NATO will do nothing?

 

[Eugene]

This is huge news, a huge escalation in the conflict in Crimea.

Russia fires at Ukraine ships and captures three vessels off Crimea

It certainly is big news.

Another bloody conflict?

NATO will do nothing?

It will be bloody if NATO involves
Russia never does bloody

Even now 3 ukr.boats were sent with the only aim - they had to provoke Russians so that they sank them which would lead to serious blaming and some new sanctions. But Russians captured those boats without victims.

 

[Stratford57]

This is huge news, a huge escalation in the conflict in Crimea.

Russia fires at Ukraine ships and captures three vessels off Crimea

It certainly is big news.

Another bloody conflict?

NATO will do nothing?

That's exactly the goal of crooked Ukrainian officials and their Deep State bosses to make Ukraine look like a victim and to involve NATO. They have been provoking Russia to start war actions for 5 years by all means, this is just another big provocation.

Besides, it will make Trump/Putin negotiations in Argentina a lot more complicated. Deep State knows well: if Trump and Putin start fighting against Deep State and its puppets together, it will be "Game Over!" for Deep State pretty darn soon. Ukraine is supposed to play a significant and dirty role in all that to prevent it.

P.S. Ukrainian officials are under total control from Deep State, they can't even fart without Washington's permission. So, all those provocations must be part of the plan.

 

[Stratford57]

If anybody's interested yesterday Putin has commented Ukrainian provocation in Black see. It's a bit long but worth of reading.

Vladimir Putin: As concerns the incident in the Black Sea, it was obviously a provocation organised by the current officials – I think, by the incumbent president, ahead of the presidential election in Ukraine to be held next March.

The current president is, I think, fifth in the popularity rating and there is a chance he may not make it into the second round. Therefore, he needs to do something to escalate the situation and create unsurpassable obstacles for his rivals, especially in the opposition.

Why do I think so and why am I even certain that this is the case? Look, there was an incident (I will speak about it in a minute) in the Black Sea. But it is a border incident, nothing more. What happened in 2014 when Crimea decided to join Russia? That was a different story, a big one.

What about the painful civil war in southeastern Ukraine, in Donbass, in the Lugansk region, when government forces deployed tanks and heavy artillery, even aviation? It was a war while no martial law was declared.

Now, a small Black Sea incident resulted in martial law. This is clearly a measure taken because of the presidential election. It is absolutely obvious.

Now regarding this incident, or provocation, to be exact. Certainly, this is a provocation. Look, last September roughly the same convoy of Ukrainian military ships passed through the Kerch Strait under the Kerch Bridge to the Sea of Azov.

They fully complied with all agreements and requirements, informing the border guards about what ships made up the convoy, who they were and where they were going. We provided them with a pilotage service and quietly led them to their destination in the Sea of Azov.

What happened this time? They did not respond to our border guard’s requests. They entered our territorial waters. I would like you to note that they entered our territorial waters which were ours before Crimea became part of the Russian Federation. That is, they entered the waters which have always been Russian territorial waters.

Without responding to our border guards, they proceeded to move towards the [Kerch] Bridge. Neither did they respond to our proposal to moor the ships at the marina. Our proposal to take a pilot – even after the violation of our state border they, nevertheless, were offered to take a pilot – was met with silence, there was no reaction whatsoever.

What should border guards do in a situation like this? Military ships had entered Russian territorial waters and were not responding to our border guards and it was unclear what they were going to do. What did the border guards have to do? Had they acted differently, all of them would have been put on trial. They were fulfilling their military duty, the order they were given and, as things stand, they were fulfilling their legitimate functions to protect the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

I believe that the same would have been done in any other country, it is absolutely clear. Also, it was discovered that two Ukrainian Security Service officers were among the crew members and, in fact, were in charge of this special operation. They have acknowledged they were Ukrainian Security Service officers. These are clear signs of a provocation that had been planned in advance so it could be used as a pretext for introducing martial law in the country.

This has nothing to do with the efforts being taken to put relations between Russia and Ukraine back on track. This is a game to exacerbate tension, this is an immoral game that is being played in the country in order to neutralise someone’s political opponents.

In fact, I have already got used to many things but today’s Kiev authorities…They have succeeded in selling anti-Russia sentiments and they have nothing else to sell. It seems that no matter what they do, they always get away with it. If they ask to be given infants for breakfast they will probably have them served. Well, we will be told, they want to eat and that is it.

This is a very short-sighted policy. It will not lead to good things because it tends to unnerve today’s Ukrainian leadership in a way that it does not urge them to get down to normal political work within the country and start pursuing normal economic policy.

They have economic problems in addition to social and financial problems and they never stop to beg, asking the International Monetary Fund to give them money. But these are the future generations who will have to pay this money back. As for their work to promote cooperation with their neighbours, there is nothing good to speak about.

Russia Calling! Investment Forum

 

[BlackFlag]

The Russian propaganda is strong in this thread

 

[Baron]

This is huge news, a huge escalation in the conflict in Crimea.

Russia fires at Ukraine ships and captures three vessels off Crimea

What would do the US coast guard when Ukrainian ships float through the border without permission?

 

[Eugene]

Looks like Poroshenko wanted those boats to be sunk down with Ukrainian sailors killed. So that this new "act of Russian aggression" was criminated and some new help was received by Ukraine.
But crafty Russians decided not to use weapon. They bumped and shot with non-explosive shells which resulted zero victims and capturing of those 3 boats.

As the picture shows

There are no any blast and fire marks.
And there appears new interesting question - why is the boats' armour is so weak and who is responsible for that?

 

[Stratford57]

Poroshenko wants more blood of his own citizens (whom he has sworn to protect and to serve) to prolong martial law in Ukraine which can help him to cancel presidential elections in March (he obviously will lose badly). Ukraine has planted that provocation in Kerch, a direct evidence of that was found:

Dec 1, Vladimir Putin on Kerch incident: the ship’s log journal says these ships had the explicit task of secretly penetrating our territorial waters and secretly passing the Kerch Strait? What was it? It was a planned provocation, that’s what it was. This is evidenced by the documents found and the testimony of the sailors themselves. That's all.

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