Screw "Tax The Poor" Capitalism.

[sakinago]

Trump, as I expected, is talking giving companies tax breaks to create jobs here. Well if you give them tax breaks, then guess who pays the taxes. The Poor! Slavery in action. The more that things change, the more they stay the same.

Here is the way things work in the U.S. Capitalism-Corporations = Society = Government = AMERICA! We are "supposed" to live in a democracy. But the business world rules your lives. How many people in business did you vote for. Do you vote for business or government. People in business who aren't elected shouldn't be directing how people live. That is the government's job.

I say to hell with bribing companies with tax breaks or outright corporate welfare to create jobs. If the private sector can't create jobs, I say that the government should just cut away that that dead weight and start doing the job themselves. Also, want to see something interesting? Go to the internet and look up any year in the last 50 years and see the number of companies in whatever year paid no taxes at all.

If you say screw tax the poor. Let's do a flat tax where you're not taxed on the first 50,000$.

 

[Dale Smith]

Can you even fucking read?

The Treasury spent at least $560 billion on TARP by October 2009

Add up the numbers, ya tard.

HEY DUMMY, NOTE I GAVE YOU A LINK??? LOL

Here let's spank you again Bubba:


Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion, according to the CBO. So the one-time bump in spending amounted to about 4 percent of fiscal 2009 spending.

It’s true that money recovered since then is recorded as negative spending rather than as increased revenues. And that does artificially reduce Obama’s spending figures — but not by much.

Obama's Spending: 'Inferno' or Not? - FactCheck.org


TOTAL OUTLAYS F/Y 2009 -$154 BILLION BUBBA
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf


Aren't you getting embarrassed yet Bubs?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, a partial audit of the foreign owned Federal Reserve showed that they had sent trillions to their overseas banks after the bailout and it was put on OUR tab, dumb ass........depending on "gubermint" websites to prove a point does nothing. The CBO said that Barrypuppetcare would save TRILLIONS!!! Three years of a head start on collecting taxes, stealing BILLIONS from Medi-Care and Medi-Caid and after stealing BILLIONS from the shareholders of Fannie and Freddie? It has been an epic fail..

You are toooo fucking stupid to be embarrassed, puinkinpuss.

LMAOROG

Barrypuppetcare has been an epic fail and leftards have whined, bitched, moaned, griped and complain that the neocons didn't help them.....how fucking funny is that? The neocons were not needed to pass this 2,700 plus pages of pork-filled legislation of tens of thousands of rules and regulations. No sweat off of my ass. I didn't participate in it nor did I comply with Barrypuppetcare mandates nor would I ever. Fuck you and your little commie agenda. Come at me with some facts and data instead of a meme. The repub neocons can kiss my ass just like the fabian socialist leftists. I got out from under the UCC game and reclaimed my estate/birthright. The "benefits" offered versus what they were stealing from me made it a very easy decision....of course you have no idea about what I am talking about or what a "secured party creditor" entails. You are a "DEMCRAT"!!! All about the collective and sucking off the efforts of others for the (snicker) "greater good"....which is just a fancy way of saying you need a nanny and that "gubermint" is your god......how fucking pathetic. Hopefully your gonads will eventually drop but I kinda doubt it,

Any time you think you have got the "game" to take me on in a debate....step up to the plate and I will add your cyber pelt along to the others I have hanging....bet me and lose.


(snicker)

.

Game? Bubs, I don't deal with sociopaths!


All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it. Ben Franklin



DAMN LIBERTARIAN LOONS WHO "BELIEVE " IN MYTHS AND FAIRY TALES!

No, you and your fellow commies avoid debating because it's obvious what you are......useful idiots.

 

[danielpalos]

Indefinitely?

lol. capitalism has a "natural" rate of unemployment.

Yes, the reserve army of labour. How long do you think you can sustain the reserve army of labour on an at-will basis?

Why should it be a problem as long as they circulate capital to ensure liquidity in our markets?

Who is going to supply the unemployment compensation?

when you have capitalism supply equals demand so there is no unemployment

then, obviously, we don't have true capitalism and never did.

 

[danielpalos]

HEY DUMMY, NOTE I GAVE YOU A LINK??? LOL

Here let's spank you again Bubba:


Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion, according to the CBO. So the one-time bump in spending amounted to about 4 percent of fiscal 2009 spending.

It’s true that money recovered since then is recorded as negative spending rather than as increased revenues. And that does artificially reduce Obama’s spending figures — but not by much.

Obama's Spending: 'Inferno' or Not? - FactCheck.org


TOTAL OUTLAYS F/Y 2009 -$154 BILLION BUBBA
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf


Aren't you getting embarrassed yet Bubs?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, a partial audit of the foreign owned Federal Reserve showed that they had sent trillions to their overseas banks after the bailout and it was put on OUR tab, dumb ass........depending on "gubermint" websites to prove a point does nothing. The CBO said that Barrypuppetcare would save TRILLIONS!!! Three years of a head start on collecting taxes, stealing BILLIONS from Medi-Care and Medi-Caid and after stealing BILLIONS from the shareholders of Fannie and Freddie? It has been an epic fail..

You are toooo fucking stupid to be embarrassed, puinkinpuss.

LMAOROG

Barrypuppetcare has been an epic fail and leftards have whined, bitched, moaned, griped and complain that the neocons didn't help them.....how fucking funny is that? The neocons were not needed to pass this 2,700 plus pages of pork-filled legislation of tens of thousands of rules and regulations. No sweat off of my ass. I didn't participate in it nor did I comply with Barrypuppetcare mandates nor would I ever. Fuck you and your little commie agenda. Come at me with some facts and data instead of a meme. The repub neocons can kiss my ass just like the fabian socialist leftists. I got out from under the UCC game and reclaimed my estate/birthright. The "benefits" offered versus what they were stealing from me made it a very easy decision....of course you have no idea about what I am talking about or what a "secured party creditor" entails. You are a "DEMCRAT"!!! All about the collective and sucking off the efforts of others for the (snicker) "greater good"....which is just a fancy way of saying you need a nanny and that "gubermint" is your god......how fucking pathetic. Hopefully your gonads will eventually drop but I kinda doubt it,

Any time you think you have got the "game" to take me on in a debate....step up to the plate and I will add your cyber pelt along to the others I have hanging....bet me and lose.


(snicker)

.

Game? Bubs, I don't deal with sociopaths!


All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it. Ben Franklin



DAMN LIBERTARIAN LOONS WHO "BELIEVE " IN MYTHS AND FAIRY TALES!

No, you and your fellow commies avoid debating because it's obvious what you are......useful idiots.

Let's abolish the drug war to lower taxes.

 

[JonKoch]

So NOW you throw out a different number Bubs?

NOW WHO TO BELIEVE? LMAOROG


Your first link is BS, It's just a graph with nothing


YOUR SECOND LINK BUBS, THE CBO?

This is the first of CBO’s statutory reports on the TARP’s transactions. Through December 31, 2008, those transactions totaled $247 billion. Valuing those assets using procedures similar to those specified in the Federal Credit Reform Act (FCRA), but adjusting for market risk as specified in the EESA, CBO estimates that the subsidy cost of those transactions (broadly speaking, the difference between what the Treasury paid for the investments or lent to the firms and the market value of those transactions) amounts to $64 billion.
The Troubled Asset Relief Program: Report on Transactions Through December 31, 2008

LET'S SEE WHAT CBO SAID IN 2011 IN HIND SITE WHEN THEY DID THE ACCOUNTING SHALL WE BUBBA?


November 7, 2011


MONTHLY BUDGET REVIEW Fiscal Year 2011 A Congressional Budget Office Analysis


TOTAL OUTLAYS- F/Y 2009 (DUBYA'S FINAL F/Y BUDGET) - TARP $154 BILLION


NOW DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE A LYING POS OR ACCEPT REALITY BUBBA?
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf

As of the end of December, the Treasury had spent $247 billion of the first $350 billion (see Table 1) and had plans in place for most of the rest of that half of the funds. Although CBO believes that the budget should record only the subsidy cost of those purchases (an estimated $64 billion through December 31), the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion. Disbursements and commitments so far fall into three categories: capital purchases, loans, and other actions.


https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-16-tarp.pdf

DERP!

Right they buy ASSETS Bubba, you know the ONLY account for SPENDING on the budget Bubs

Yes, they spent money when they bought assets.
I'm glad you learned something.

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

And that's just through December 2008.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

 

[JonKoch]

HEY DUMMY, NOTE I GAVE YOU A LINK??? LOL

Here let's spank you again Bubba:


Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion, according to the CBO. So the one-time bump in spending amounted to about 4 percent of fiscal 2009 spending.

It’s true that money recovered since then is recorded as negative spending rather than as increased revenues. And that does artificially reduce Obama’s spending figures — but not by much.

Obama's Spending: 'Inferno' or Not? - FactCheck.org


TOTAL OUTLAYS F/Y 2009 -$154 BILLION BUBBA
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf


Aren't you getting embarrassed yet Bubs?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, a partial audit of the foreign owned Federal Reserve showed that they had sent trillions to their overseas banks after the bailout and it was put on OUR tab, dumb ass........depending on "gubermint" websites to prove a point does nothing. The CBO said that Barrypuppetcare would save TRILLIONS!!! Three years of a head start on collecting taxes, stealing BILLIONS from Medi-Care and Medi-Caid and after stealing BILLIONS from the shareholders of Fannie and Freddie? It has been an epic fail..

You are toooo fucking stupid to be embarrassed, puinkinpuss.

LMAOROG

Barrypuppetcare has been an epic fail and leftards have whined, bitched, moaned, griped and complain that the neocons didn't help them.....how fucking funny is that? The neocons were not needed to pass this 2,700 plus pages of pork-filled legislation of tens of thousands of rules and regulations. No sweat off of my ass. I didn't participate in it nor did I comply with Barrypuppetcare mandates nor would I ever. Fuck you and your little commie agenda. Come at me with some facts and data instead of a meme. The repub neocons can kiss my ass just like the fabian socialist leftists. I got out from under the UCC game and reclaimed my estate/birthright. The "benefits" offered versus what they were stealing from me made it a very easy decision....of course you have no idea about what I am talking about or what a "secured party creditor" entails. You are a "DEMCRAT"!!! All about the collective and sucking off the efforts of others for the (snicker) "greater good"....which is just a fancy way of saying you need a nanny and that "gubermint" is your god......how fucking pathetic. Hopefully your gonads will eventually drop but I kinda doubt it,

Any time you think you have got the "game" to take me on in a debate....step up to the plate and I will add your cyber pelt along to the others I have hanging....bet me and lose.


(snicker)

.

Game? Bubs, I don't deal with sociopaths!


All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it. Ben Franklin



DAMN LIBERTARIAN LOONS WHO "BELIEVE " IN MYTHS AND FAIRY TALES!

No, you and your fellow commies avoid debating because it's obvious what you are......useful idiots.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

To keep them poor you mean. That is what you are accomplishing, and dependence on the government. While the capital class continues to consolidate wealth and political power.

You simply don't understand the social dilemma. It is about solving for simple poverty on an at-will basis, to abolish forms of "wage slavery".

I don't understand how unemployment compensation on an at-will basis works to abolish wage exploitation. Can you explain it?

Sure. It is about solving simple poverty to improve the efficiency of our economy; Because, capital Must circulate to promote the general prosperity and the general welfare, under Any form of Capitalism.

Employment is at-will in our at-will employment States. Our current regime is unjust, oppressive, and unnecessary and improper, because it denies and disparages the least wealthy and most vulnerable, equal protection of the law.

Labor should be able to quit their day job if they simply no longer have any will to work there, and collect unemployment compensation.

Capitalists should have to "compete" for labor ceteris paribus, not indulge a "work or die" ethic, from the fantastical element of the right wing; that simply happens to be in favor of their bottom line. Capital coincidence or capital conspiracy?

No what the biggest thing that would help labor? Get rid of Health care tied to employment, you'd see a boom like the US had post WW2 if we had single payer UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE like every other developed nation!

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

A Seed Doesn't Grow by Sitting on It

Money only represents products or potential products. Once the products are consumed, more have to be produced, which won't happen if too many consumers aren't producers. Imagine a food supply distributed your way, with people loafing who should be farming. That brings on starvation.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Nixon gave us a War on Drugs instead of a Mission to Mars. We could have had a Mars Observatory there, by now, right wingers.

NA$A

Wasting money on a childish Trekkie circus. Only those who are all doped up ignore what is around them and get fixated on the Twinkling Void.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Labor should be able to quit their day job if they simply no longer have any will to work there, and collect unemployment compensation.

Indefinitely?

lol. capitalism has a "natural" rate of unemployment.

Yes, the reserve army of labour. How long do you think you can sustain the reserve army of labour on an at-will basis?

Why should it be a problem as long as they circulate capital to ensure liquidity in our markets?

As in a Tsunami, the Surface Doesn't Tell Us What Is Going On

Liquidity leaks. Economists speak Klingon. Their fake science is shallow and superficial.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As of the end of December, the Treasury had spent $247 billion of the first $350 billion (see Table 1) and had plans in place for most of the rest of that half of the funds. Although CBO believes that the budget should record only the subsidy cost of those purchases (an estimated $64 billion through December 31), the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion. Disbursements and commitments so far fall into three categories: capital purchases, loans, and other actions.


https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-16-tarp.pdf

DERP!

Right they buy ASSETS Bubba, you know the ONLY account for SPENDING on the budget Bubs

Yes, they spent money when they bought assets.
I'm glad you learned something.

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

And that's just through December 2008.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

The CBO is wrong, idiot.
They spent $247 billion by December 2008.
They had to borrow $247 billion to do it.

 

[JonKoch]

Right they buy ASSETS Bubba, you know the ONLY account for SPENDING on the budget Bubs

Yes, they spent money when they bought assets.
I'm glad you learned something.

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

And that's just through December 2008.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

The CBO is wrong, idiot.
They spent $247 billion by December 2008.
They had to borrow $247 billion to do it.

CBO ACCOUNTING IN 2011 WAS WRONG ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY SPENT IN F/Y 2009 ON TARP???? LMAOROG

Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion, according to the CBO.
Obama's Spending: 'Inferno' or Not? - FactCheck.org



TOTAL OUTLAYS (Billions of dollars)
TARP FY 2009 - TARP $154

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf


To be sure, some of that is attributable to Bush. But most of TARP is turning a profit, funneling money back into the treasury; the actual net cost of TARP in FY2009 was $154 billion, but $108 billion is expected to be returned to the treasury in FY2010.
A Visual History of U.S. Government Deficits



IT RETURNED $108 BILLION IN FY 2010 BUBS


http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, they spent money when they bought assets.
I'm glad you learned something.

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

And that's just through December 2008.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

The CBO is wrong, idiot.
They spent $247 billion by December 2008.
They had to borrow $247 billion to do it.

CBO ACCOUNTING IN 2011 WAS WRONG ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY SPENT IN F/Y 2009 ON TARP???? LMAOROG

Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion, according to the CBO.
Obama's Spending: 'Inferno' or Not? - FactCheck.org



TOTAL OUTLAYS (Billions of dollars)
TARP FY 2009 - TARP $154

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf


To be sure, some of that is attributable to Bush. But most of TARP is turning a profit, funneling money back into the treasury; the actual net cost of TARP in FY2009 was $154 billion, but $108 billion is expected to be returned to the treasury in FY2010.
A Visual History of U.S. Government Deficits



IT RETURNED $108 BILLION IN FY 2010 BUBS


http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf

CBO ACCOUNTING IN 2011 WAS WRONG ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY SPENT IN F/Y 2009 ON TARP????

Yes.

CBO estimates that the subsidy cost of those transactions (broadly speaking, the difference between what the Treasury paid for the investments or lent to the firms and the market value of those transactions) amounts to $64 billion.

They're using "subsidy cost" instead of money spent.
We should do that with defense spending.
We can pretend the USS Gerald R. Ford, $13 billion price tag, only cost $3 billion, because it was an asset purchase. LOL!

But most of TARP is turning a profit

Yes, TARP was profitable. And the payment of that profit and the return of the original investment made Obama's spending spree look smaller.

 

[JonKoch]

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

And that's just through December 2008.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

The CBO is wrong, idiot.
They spent $247 billion by December 2008.
They had to borrow $247 billion to do it.

CBO ACCOUNTING IN 2011 WAS WRONG ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY SPENT IN F/Y 2009 ON TARP???? LMAOROG

Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion, according to the CBO.
Obama's Spending: 'Inferno' or Not? - FactCheck.org



TOTAL OUTLAYS (Billions of dollars)
TARP FY 2009 - TARP $154

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf


To be sure, some of that is attributable to Bush. But most of TARP is turning a profit, funneling money back into the treasury; the actual net cost of TARP in FY2009 was $154 billion, but $108 billion is expected to be returned to the treasury in FY2010.
A Visual History of U.S. Government Deficits



IT RETURNED $108 BILLION IN FY 2010 BUBS


http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf

CBO ACCOUNTING IN 2011 WAS WRONG ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY SPENT IN F/Y 2009 ON TARP????

Yes.

CBO estimates that the subsidy cost of those transactions (broadly speaking, the difference between what the Treasury paid for the investments or lent to the firms and the market value of those transactions) amounts to $64 billion.

They're using "subsidy cost" instead of money spent.
We should do that with defense spending.
We can pretend the USS Gerald R. Ford, $13 billion price tag, only cost $3 billion, because it was an asset purchase. LOL!

But most of TARP is turning a profit

Yes, TARP was profitable. And the payment of that profit and the return of the original investment made Obama's spending spree look smaller.

Bubba, you are just a right wing liar undeterred by FACTS AND DATA!

 

[Dale Smith]

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, a partial audit of the foreign owned Federal Reserve showed that they had sent trillions to their overseas banks after the bailout and it was put on OUR tab, dumb ass........depending on "gubermint" websites to prove a point does nothing. The CBO said that Barrypuppetcare would save TRILLIONS!!! Three years of a head start on collecting taxes, stealing BILLIONS from Medi-Care and Medi-Caid and after stealing BILLIONS from the shareholders of Fannie and Freddie? It has been an epic fail..

You are toooo fucking stupid to be embarrassed, puinkinpuss.

LMAOROG

Barrypuppetcare has been an epic fail and leftards have whined, bitched, moaned, griped and complain that the neocons didn't help them.....how fucking funny is that? The neocons were not needed to pass this 2,700 plus pages of pork-filled legislation of tens of thousands of rules and regulations. No sweat off of my ass. I didn't participate in it nor did I comply with Barrypuppetcare mandates nor would I ever. Fuck you and your little commie agenda. Come at me with some facts and data instead of a meme. The repub neocons can kiss my ass just like the fabian socialist leftists. I got out from under the UCC game and reclaimed my estate/birthright. The "benefits" offered versus what they were stealing from me made it a very easy decision....of course you have no idea about what I am talking about or what a "secured party creditor" entails. You are a "DEMCRAT"!!! All about the collective and sucking off the efforts of others for the (snicker) "greater good"....which is just a fancy way of saying you need a nanny and that "gubermint" is your god......how fucking pathetic. Hopefully your gonads will eventually drop but I kinda doubt it,

Any time you think you have got the "game" to take me on in a debate....step up to the plate and I will add your cyber pelt along to the others I have hanging....bet me and lose.


(snicker)

.

Game? Bubs, I don't deal with sociopaths!


All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it. Ben Franklin



DAMN LIBERTARIAN LOONS WHO "BELIEVE " IN MYTHS AND FAIRY TALES!

No, you and your fellow commies avoid debating because it's obvious what you are......useful idiots.

Since you have no clue about how the financial system by a foreign owned central bank created this and how your beloved "gubermint" is a corporate entity that has caused wage slavery and poverty, of course you would believe that we need "MORE gubermint", more taxes, more fees, more entitlements and subsidies. Idiots like you can never get enough "gubermint" or enough of other people's income.

 

[danielpalos]

You simply don't understand the social dilemma. It is about solving for simple poverty on an at-will basis, to abolish forms of "wage slavery".

I don't understand how unemployment compensation on an at-will basis works to abolish wage exploitation. Can you explain it?

Sure. It is about solving simple poverty to improve the efficiency of our economy; Because, capital Must circulate to promote the general prosperity and the general welfare, under Any form of Capitalism.

Employment is at-will in our at-will employment States. Our current regime is unjust, oppressive, and unnecessary and improper, because it denies and disparages the least wealthy and most vulnerable, equal protection of the law.

Labor should be able to quit their day job if they simply no longer have any will to work there, and collect unemployment compensation.

Capitalists should have to "compete" for labor ceteris paribus, not indulge a "work or die" ethic, from the fantastical element of the right wing; that simply happens to be in favor of their bottom line. Capital coincidence or capital conspiracy?

No what the biggest thing that would help labor? Get rid of Health care tied to employment, you'd see a boom like the US had post WW2 if we had single payer UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE like every other developed nation!

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

A Seed Doesn't Grow by Sitting on It

Money only represents products or potential products. Once the products are consumed, more have to be produced, which won't happen if too many consumers aren't producers. Imagine a food supply distributed your way, with people loafing who should be farming. That brings on starvation.

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

The poor tend to spend most of their income on consumable goods and services.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

And that's just through December 2008.

YET AS THE CBO LINK SHOWS, ONLY $154 BILLION WAS SPENT IN F/Y 2009. GO FIGURE MORON

the Treasury has had to borrow the full amount disbursed, thereby increasing debt held by the public by $247 billion.

The CBO is wrong, idiot.
They spent $247 billion by December 2008.
They had to borrow $247 billion to do it.

CBO ACCOUNTING IN 2011 WAS WRONG ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY SPENT IN F/Y 2009 ON TARP???? LMAOROG

Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion, according to the CBO.
Obama's Spending: 'Inferno' or Not? - FactCheck.org



TOTAL OUTLAYS (Billions of dollars)
TARP FY 2009 - TARP $154

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf


To be sure, some of that is attributable to Bush. But most of TARP is turning a profit, funneling money back into the treasury; the actual net cost of TARP in FY2009 was $154 billion, but $108 billion is expected to be returned to the treasury in FY2010.
A Visual History of U.S. Government Deficits



IT RETURNED $108 BILLION IN FY 2010 BUBS


http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2011_Nov_MBR.pdf

CBO ACCOUNTING IN 2011 WAS WRONG ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY SPENT IN F/Y 2009 ON TARP????

Yes.

CBO estimates that the subsidy cost of those transactions (broadly speaking, the difference between what the Treasury paid for the investments or lent to the firms and the market value of those transactions) amounts to $64 billion.

They're using "subsidy cost" instead of money spent.
We should do that with defense spending.
We can pretend the USS Gerald R. Ford, $13 billion price tag, only cost $3 billion, because it was an asset purchase. LOL!

But most of TARP is turning a profit

Yes, TARP was profitable. And the payment of that profit and the return of the original investment made Obama's spending spree look smaller.

Bubba, you are just a right wing liar undeterred by FACTS AND DATA!

And all it took was $9.3 trillion in new debt and the weakest recovery from a recession since WWII.

The American people were so impressed with his success, they gave the Republicans control of the House, Senate and the Presidency and 33 governorships.

Thanks Obama!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't understand how unemployment compensation on an at-will basis works to abolish wage exploitation. Can you explain it?

Sure. It is about solving simple poverty to improve the efficiency of our economy; Because, capital Must circulate to promote the general prosperity and the general welfare, under Any form of Capitalism.

Employment is at-will in our at-will employment States. Our current regime is unjust, oppressive, and unnecessary and improper, because it denies and disparages the least wealthy and most vulnerable, equal protection of the law.

Labor should be able to quit their day job if they simply no longer have any will to work there, and collect unemployment compensation.

Capitalists should have to "compete" for labor ceteris paribus, not indulge a "work or die" ethic, from the fantastical element of the right wing; that simply happens to be in favor of their bottom line. Capital coincidence or capital conspiracy?

No what the biggest thing that would help labor? Get rid of Health care tied to employment, you'd see a boom like the US had post WW2 if we had single payer UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE like every other developed nation!

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

A Seed Doesn't Grow by Sitting on It

Money only represents products or potential products. Once the products are consumed, more have to be produced, which won't happen if too many consumers aren't producers. Imagine a food supply distributed your way, with people loafing who should be farming. That brings on starvation.

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

The poor tend to spend most of their income on consumable goods and services.

Handing poor people cash doesn't increase GDP.

 

[danielpalos]

Nixon gave us a War on Drugs instead of a Mission to Mars. We could have had a Mars Observatory there, by now, right wingers.

NA$A

Wasting money on a childish Trekkie circus. Only those who are all doped up ignore what is around them and get fixated on the Twinkling Void.

Nobody should ever take the right wing seriously about economics or the law.

Where do you think we have been getting most of our advances in technologies from.

 

[danielpalos]

Labor should be able to quit their day job if they simply no longer have any will to work there, and collect unemployment compensation.

Indefinitely?

lol. capitalism has a "natural" rate of unemployment.

Yes, the reserve army of labour. How long do you think you can sustain the reserve army of labour on an at-will basis?

Why should it be a problem as long as they circulate capital to ensure liquidity in our markets?

As in a Tsunami, the Surface Doesn't Tell Us What Is Going On

Liquidity leaks. Economists speak Klingon. Their fake science is shallow and superficial.

Solving simple poverty will act like an oil pump, to ensure capital circulates.

 

[danielpalos]

Sure. It is about solving simple poverty to improve the efficiency of our economy; Because, capital Must circulate to promote the general prosperity and the general welfare, under Any form of Capitalism.

Employment is at-will in our at-will employment States. Our current regime is unjust, oppressive, and unnecessary and improper, because it denies and disparages the least wealthy and most vulnerable, equal protection of the law.

Labor should be able to quit their day job if they simply no longer have any will to work there, and collect unemployment compensation.

Capitalists should have to "compete" for labor ceteris paribus, not indulge a "work or die" ethic, from the fantastical element of the right wing; that simply happens to be in favor of their bottom line. Capital coincidence or capital conspiracy?

No what the biggest thing that would help labor? Get rid of Health care tied to employment, you'd see a boom like the US had post WW2 if we had single payer UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE like every other developed nation!

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

A Seed Doesn't Grow by Sitting on It

Money only represents products or potential products. Once the products are consumed, more have to be produced, which won't happen if too many consumers aren't producers. Imagine a food supply distributed your way, with people loafing who should be farming. That brings on starvation.

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

The poor tend to spend most of their income on consumable goods and services.

Handing poor people cash doesn't increase GDP.

It does to the extent there is that liquidity in the markets to engender a positive multiplier effect.