Senate Impeachment Trial Thread.

[Dragonlady]

Ken Starr says impeachment is only for oral sex, not treason

But at least perjury is an indictable crime. The articles don’t allege an indictable crime. That’s because abuse of power isn’t a criminal offense.

 

[Lewdog]

Ok which one of you guys wrote this idiot's talking points? While in an impeachment hearing for Trump, he's stated very few facts, said Schiff is a lying criminal, and is blaming everything on Obama. He's not said ANY facts to defend Trump.

This is a fucking joke. The Republican Senators should feel outraged this got in front of them.

It's disappointing. It's also odd that he keeps asking where the house manager's were after citing things about Obama. The democrats weren't in power. That would have been up to Boehner. I doubt very much that the republicans would have let an impeachment of Obama go by if they thought what he was doing was impeachable. I guess they are hoping people will not do much independent research.

Now he is bringing up Fast & the Furious... WTF does that have to do with Trump?

Perhaps the fact Barry Hussein invoked Executive Privilege when he got Congressional subpoenas.

Are you just acting this dumb, or is it for real?

Obama isn't on trial. The trial is about Trump using the position of President to blackmail another country to help him win an election. Perhaps it was you then that wrote that fucking stupid defense today in the Senate?

 

[joaquinmiller]

Dershowitz is slinging spaghetti at the wall. He's trying to provide R Senators with flimsy cover against calling witnesses, by arguing no matter what Trump did, it's not impeachable.

That's some defense - that Unh-uh Defense.

 

[Lewdog]

Ok which one of you guys wrote this idiot's talking points? While in an impeachment hearing for Trump, he's stated very few facts, said Schiff is a lying criminal, and is blaming everything on Obama. He's not said ANY facts to defend Trump.

This is a fucking joke. The Republican Senators should feel outraged this got in front of them.

It's disappointing. It's also odd that he keeps asking where the house manager's were after citing things about Obama. The democrats weren't in power. That would have been up to Boehner. I doubt very much that the republicans would have let an impeachment of Obama go by if they thought what he was doing was impeachable. I guess they are hoping people will not do much independent research.

I'm pretty sure that Obama invoked executive privilege quite often when his administration was subpoenaed, if not every time. But the House didn't cry 'Obstruction of Congress' for that and impeach him, because they knew it wasn't an impeachable offense. It isn't an impeachable offense for Trump either, especially considering the House itself never voted to have an Inquiry, which was the case for every other presidential impeachment in the House. That issue should have been challenged by the Dems in court and resolved one way or the other, which is the Right Way things are supposed to be done. Had Trump still dened access to witnesses and documents, THEN the Dems would have had a case for obstruction. As it is now, they don't.

It is possible the Dems feared an unfavorable decision regarding the subpoenas, maybe because there is no crime for Trump to try to hide. They should have taken the time like every other impeachment process did, and done the job the right way.

The President has lost every one of the cases that Congress has taken to court, but the Courts are just deciding the cases based on requests for documents/witnesses which were filed early last year, once the Democrats started getting stonewalled. And every case that Trump has lost, he has appealled, so they still haven't received any of the documents or witnesses requested.

This is Trump's standard legal tactics in dealing with the over 3000 business law suits. He obstructs, delays, appeals and drags out the proceedings for years, until the other side either runs out of money, or gives up.

Trump is a danger to the country the longer he stays in office, because he cheated on the last election, and he'll cheat on this one. He's already put out the word that he'll be very helpful to governments that help him, and punish those who don't.

Yep Trump in his private life when being sued for not paying his bills would just keep things tied up in court until the people suing couldn't afford to fight anymore. He would make sure others knew he would do that to them too, so they wouldn't sue him. What I don't understand is why ANYONE would ever do a contract job for him unless you got paid upfront.

 

[Ame®icano]

Ken Starr says impeachment is only for oral sex, not treason

He also said you' have IQ of lint.

Ad Hominem = fail. Try harder, if you can. Bless your heart.

And your post is truth, right?

 

[joaquinmiller]

Dershowitz is giving himself a character reference! How fucking cool!

 

[Nostra]

Where did I make that claim? Quote my post where I said previous Presidents refused all subpoenas?

You aren't very good at this.

It's your avatar's eyes. They're freaking me out.

I may have embellished my response a bit but that's how your comment hit me. As a dramatic embellishment. No other president that I am aware has taken the extraordinary acts to keep information from the American people then this President and this Administration. Selectively invoking executive privilege is not abuse. Refusing all subpoenas...........I'd say, yep, it stinks.

The subpoenas from the House were invalid, as the Trump lawyers have explained. That's why the House Clowns withdrew them and refused to challenge them in court, as is normal protocol when a subpoena is challenged.

In short, YOUR House Clowns threw in the towel because they knew their subpoenas were invalid.

Whoa there C Nostra - no where have I said I was a democrat. I'm an American and most of my views back in simpler times (3 years ago) would have been considered moderate republican but my peeps have been hijacked and taken prisoner. I'm a drifter now.....with no where to call home.

My understanding as to why the subpoena was withdrawn was due to the timeline in which the court would make a decision. I also think the house wanted to avoid an unfavorable decision.

My understanding as to why the subpoena was withdrawn was due to the timeline in which the court would make a decision. I also think the house wanted to avoid an unfavorable decision.

BINGO!

Neither of those constitutes "obstruction of Congress" on the part of the White House. Being in a hurry, and being afraid you will lose isn't an excuse for ignoring protocol.

Now you know why the House Clowns showed up at their Senate trial without their homework. That isn't on Trump. That isn't on the Senate.

The House Clowns fucked up, and now they are trying to blame the Senate for their fuck up. It's as simple as that.

The Senate has a responsibility to hold a trial, not the House. Additionally, the silliness of having each side hold position arguments doesn't get us any closer to the truth. It's simply posturing. We already know how they are going to argue. What we need are witnesses and documents.

That was quite incoherent.

The House is required to present their case they made to get the Senate to remove the President.

The House was able to present their evidence AND their witnesses, which they did via video of THEIR WITNESSES TESTIMONY in the House.

YOUR House Clowns failed miserably to make any kind of coherent case, which is why you and the House Clowns are begging the Senate to do their job.

You own YOUR Clusterfuck. Deal with it.

 

[Nostra]

Ok which one of you guys wrote this idiot's talking points? While in an impeachment hearing for Trump, he's stated very few facts, said Schiff is a lying criminal, and is blaming everything on Obama. He's not said ANY facts to defend Trump.

This is a fucking joke. The Republican Senators should feel outraged this got in front of them.

It's disappointing. It's also odd that he keeps asking where the house manager's were after citing things about Obama. The democrats weren't in power. That would have been up to Boehner. I doubt very much that the republicans would have let an impeachment of Obama go by if they thought what he was doing was impeachable. I guess they are hoping people will not do much independent research.

Now he is bringing up Fast & the Furious... WTF does that have to do with Trump?

Perhaps the fact Barry Hussein invoked Executive Privilege when he got Congressional subpoenas.

Are you just acting this dumb, or is it for real?

Obama isn't on trial. The trial is about Trump using the position of President to blackmail another country to help him win an election. Perhaps it was you then that wrote that fucking stupid defense today in the Senate?

Never said Obama was on trial, Dimwit.

I correctly pointed out Obama did the same thing you clowns think you can remove Trump from office for.

Moron.

 

[Katniss]

It's your avatar's eyes. They're freaking me out.

I may have embellished my response a bit but that's how your comment hit me. As a dramatic embellishment. No other president that I am aware has taken the extraordinary acts to keep information from the American people then this President and this Administration. Selectively invoking executive privilege is not abuse. Refusing all subpoenas...........I'd say, yep, it stinks.

The subpoenas from the House were invalid, as the Trump lawyers have explained. That's why the House Clowns withdrew them and refused to challenge them in court, as is normal protocol when a subpoena is challenged.

In short, YOUR House Clowns threw in the towel because they knew their subpoenas were invalid.

Whoa there C Nostra - no where have I said I was a democrat. I'm an American and most of my views back in simpler times (3 years ago) would have been considered moderate republican but my peeps have been hijacked and taken prisoner. I'm a drifter now.....with no where to call home.

My understanding as to why the subpoena was withdrawn was due to the timeline in which the court would make a decision. I also think the house wanted to avoid an unfavorable decision.

My understanding as to why the subpoena was withdrawn was due to the timeline in which the court would make a decision. I also think the house wanted to avoid an unfavorable decision.

BINGO!

Neither of those constitutes "obstruction of Congress" on the part of the White House. Being in a hurry, and being afraid you will lose isn't an excuse for ignoring protocol.

Now you know why the House Clowns showed up at their Senate trial without their homework. That isn't on Trump. That isn't on the Senate.

The House Clowns fucked up, and now they are trying to blame the Senate for their fuck up. It's as simple as that.

The Senate has a responsibility to hold a trial, not the House. Additionally, the silliness of having each side hold position arguments doesn't get us any closer to the truth. It's simply posturing. We already know how they are going to argue. What we need are witnesses and documents.

That was quite incoherent.

The House is required to present their case they made to get the Senate to remove the President.

The House was able to present their evidence AND their witnesses, which they did via video of THEIR WITNESSES TESTIMONY in the House.

YOUR House Clowns failed miserably to make any kind of coherent case, which is why you and the House Clowns are begging the Senate to do their job.

You own YOUR Clusterfuck. Deal with it.

Well.....wow - I don't think I went out of my way to try and insult you. Maybe we can try having a respectful conversation another evening. Enjoy the rest of your night.

 

[BluesLegend]

Immediately following Harvard Law professor Dershowitz's powerful argument...Rachael Madcow blast into a character attack on Dershowitz, shocker.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Immediately following Harvard Law professor Dershowitz's powerful argument...Rachael Madcow blast into a character attack on Dershowitz, shocker.

I saw that, and the dumb bitch who said Dershowitz didn’t know what he was talking about because a year long vacation by POTUS is impeachable.

 

[BluesLegend]

The trial is about Trump using the position of President to blackmail another country to help him win an election. Perhaps it was you then that wrote that fucking stupid defense today in the Senate?

Every elected politician in the country co-mingles personal benefit to win re-election in the execution of their duties. Your clean as a fresh winter snow standard for politicians is absurd.

 

[BluesLegend]

Immediately following Harvard Law professor Dershowitz's powerful argument...Rachael Madcow blast into a character attack on Dershowitz, shocker.

I saw that, and the dumb bitch who said Dershowitz didn’t know what he was talking about because a year long vacation by POTUS is impeachable.

That's like saying its an impeachable offense for a president to take a joy ride on an alien space ship. These absurd arguments are precisely why Dems are losing and people think they are stupid shits.

 

[BluesLegend]

Yep Trump in his private life when being sued for not paying his bills would just keep things tied up in court until the people suing couldn't afford to fight anymore. He would make sure others knew he would do that to them too, so they wouldn't sue him. What I don't understand is why ANYONE would ever do a contract job for him unless you got paid upfront.

You destroyed your own dishonest argument, saving me the trouble. This is where you say but but but and walk away mumbling to yourself.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Immediately following Harvard Law professor Dershowitz's powerful argument...Rachael Madcow blast into a character attack on Dershowitz, shocker.

I saw that, and the dumb bitch who said Dershowitz didn’t know what he was talking about because a year long vacation by POTUS is impeachable.

That's like saying its an impeachable offense for a president to take a joy ride on an alien space ship. These absurd arguments are precisely why Dems are losing and people think they are stupid shits.

What if he took a 4 week vacation?

What if liked to shit in jars and put them on his desk?

What if he liked to get blowjobs in his office from interns?

What if he fired all staff from the previous administration?

What if he sold guns to drug dealers?

What if he used a charity as a slush fund?

What if he jerked off habitually?

She said the POTUS should be impeached if he took a year vacation, therefore, Trump should be impeached.

Unreal.

 

[BluesLegend]

She said the POTUS should be impeached if he took a year vacation, therefore, Trump should be impeached.

Unreal.

Democrats want VETO power over presidential elections, its that simple.

 

[ColonelAngus]

She said the POTUS should be impeached if he took a year vacation, therefore, Trump should be impeached.

Unreal.

Democrats want VETO power over presidential elections, its that simple.

And if that’s the new standard, the PUBS should do the same thing.

Dershowitz listed like 20 Presidents that would have been impeached by the standards used by this House.

 

[BluesLegend]

I'll summarize, Democrats demand VETO power over presidential elections when they lose.

 

[Lewdog]

Ok which one of you guys wrote this idiot's talking points? While in an impeachment hearing for Trump, he's stated very few facts, said Schiff is a lying criminal, and is blaming everything on Obama. He's not said ANY facts to defend Trump.

This is a fucking joke. The Republican Senators should feel outraged this got in front of them.

It's disappointing. It's also odd that he keeps asking where the house manager's were after citing things about Obama. The democrats weren't in power. That would have been up to Boehner. I doubt very much that the republicans would have let an impeachment of Obama go by if they thought what he was doing was impeachable. I guess they are hoping people will not do much independent research.

Now he is bringing up Fast & the Furious... WTF does that have to do with Trump?

Perhaps the fact Barry Hussein invoked Executive Privilege when he got Congressional subpoenas.

Are you just acting this dumb, or is it for real?

Obama isn't on trial. The trial is about Trump using the position of President to blackmail another country to help him win an election. Perhaps it was you then that wrote that fucking stupid defense today in the Senate?

Never said Obama was on trial, Dimwit.

I correctly pointed out Obama did the same thing you clowns think you can remove Trump from office for.

Moron.

You didn't have to, because I was watching the trial today and Trump's defense was acting like Obama was the one on trial, not Trump.

Maybe you should actually watch and pay attention to what you make posts about so you don't look like a bigger idiot than you already are.

 

[Lewdog]

The trial is about Trump using the position of President to blackmail another country to help him win an election. Perhaps it was you then that wrote that fucking stupid defense today in the Senate?

Every elected politician in the country co-mingles personal benefit to win re-election in the execution of their duties. Your clean as a fresh winter snow standard for politicians is absurd.

Strawman.

I never said all politicians are clean. What has happened here with Trump is not what you are alluding to. He was caught red-handed by people who aren't exactly good people, and even they were disgusted by Trump's actions. That says a lot. Trump was let off the hook on the Russian investigation and all it did was embolden him to be even less discrete about his illegal actions. This time he's gone to far and will forever be remembered for it.