Sequestration: Blame goes to GOP

[kwc57]

Why is it the first thing a liberal thinks of when faced with mandatory spending cuts is that instead they need to soak the rich for more revenue? How many times do you think you can go to that well before the economy is negatively impacted? How many new businesses will not be opened, or existing businesses not expanded? How many will move part or all of their companies offshore, or close al together cuz the ROI isn't good enough? How many rich guys will say screw this, I'm investing my money elsewhere? Gotta say, this ain't thw way to get a sluggish economy growing.

Liberals are like little kids who when their parents say they can't aford something say, "just write a check". True story!

 

[kwc57]

Jay Carney Admits Sequester Was The President's Idea | RealClearPolitics

Shit. I wonder why Obama doesn't just fire Carney.

Heck. I wonder why he didn't just correct him.

Lifted from a post of mine in a different thread.

What you leave out from that other thread was that sequester was a CON$ervative IDEA for enforcing spending caps that CON$ have wanted for YEARS and Obama only offered it to the CON$ as a bone to try to move the process forward.

“what conservatives like me have been fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, literally legal caps in law that says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money and if they breach that amount across the board sequester comes in to cut that spending. You can’t turn it out without a supermajority. We got that into law."
- Paul Ryan, August 2011

liar

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

JAY CARNEY: What I will concede is that we were looking and the Republicans were looking for a trigger around which to build a mechanism to get us out of default possibility and the sequester was one of the idea put forward, yes by the president's team. (Special Report, February 12, 2013)

Jay Carney Admits Sequester Was The President's Idea | RealClearPolitics

Shit. I wonder why Obama doesn't just fire Carney.

Heck. I wonder why he didn't just correct him.

Lifted from a post of mine in a different thread.

Sequestration is a Congressional thing. GOP needs to take responsibility for it's own actions and stop shilling for the wealthy elites as it salivates over the possibility of cutting programs.

GOP: name the programs you want to cut.

JAY CARNEY: What I will concede is that we were looking and the Republicans were looking for a trigger around which to build a mechanism to get us out of default possibility and the sequester was one of the idea put forward, yes by the president's team. (Special Report, February 12, 2013)

The PowerPoint That Proves It?s Not Obama?s Sequester After All - The Daily Beast

Congress passed sequestration before the president signed it, and the whole self-defeating exercise was carried out in response to Tea Party Republicans’ insistence that we play chicken with the debt ceiling, which ultimately cost America its AAA credit rating.

But here’s the thing. I happened to come across an old email that throws cold water on House Republicans’ attempts to call this “Obama’s Sequester.”

It’s a PowerPoint presentation that Boehner’s office developed with the Republican Policy Committee and sent out to the Capitol Hill GOP on July 31, 2011. Intended to explain the outline of the proposed debt deal, the presentation is titled: “Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable.”

It’s essentially an internal sales document from the old dealmaker Boehner to his unruly and often unreasonable Tea Party cohort. But it’s clear as day in the presentation that “sequestration” was considered a cudgel to guarantee a reduction in federal spending—the conservatives’ necessary condition for not having America default on its obligations.

The presentation lays out the deal in clear terms, describing the spending backstop as “automatic across-the-board cuts (‘sequestration&#8217. Same mechanism used in 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.”

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Sequestration: Blame goes to GOP

"Obama has said he wants Congress to end tax loopholes enjoyed mainly by the wealthy to buy lawmakers enough time to pass a budget but Republicans are insisting on deeper spending cuts to reduce the $16 trillion national debt."

What is wrong with closing loopholes for the wealthy? Fair or not, it only makes it look like (or for some people it validates the argument), the GOP is shilling for the wealthy elites.

If the GOP wants cuts to programs let them name the cuts? Obama wanted taxes raise and he named the taxes he wanted raised. Why won't the GOP just be honest and open with the American people, and name the cuts they would hold America hostage for?

The latest game makes it look like they really want to force sequestration, while denying it is what they want to do. This way they get cuts without naming which ones they wanted. They are hedging bets -- betting against the American people, and betting that both parties and the President will share blame with the GOP.

This isn't governing, it's electioneering.

Dante

dD

Funny how you liberals are never offended when a democratic supporting company pays ZERO taxes, like GE, or Facebook....

bs

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

What are the actual "loopholes by the wealthy"? Standard deductions?

Standard deductions that only wealthy elites qualify for.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The daily Beast is your response to my post? LOL
I would take some amateurs blog site to that BS any day
It is obamas. Deal with it
Granted, you have got to blame someone.. Since you couldn't possibly blame Boooosh, blame the GOP, right? Right

So you do not have the facts to dispute what you are commenting on? Dispute one fact from the link

 

[OriginalShroom]

Obama: I Will Veto Attempts To Get Rid Of Automatic Spending Cuts - Forbes

President Barack Obama gave a press conference after the Supercommittee officially admitted it failed to reach an agreement to cut $1.2 trillion in budget spending over the next 10 years. Obama told reporters he would veto any attempt to get rid of the automatic cuts which are set to kick in as a part of the sequester proposition, which will be triggered unless Congress reaches over the next year.

“I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts,” said Obama from the White House’s briefing room, adding “the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal.”

Now I guess the Democrats will start asking Harry Reid about the House passed Budgets that have been passed and sat in Senate without a vote for the past year....

Oh wait a minute.. Democrats question Reid as to why he refused to bring House Passed bills to vote... The moon will turn blue while a pig and a cow fly over it first.

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Ignoratio elenchi, also known as irrelevant conclusion,[1] is the informal fallacy of presenting an argument that may or may not be logically valid, but fails nonetheless to address the issue in question

In other words, you've got nothing.

I've got the Obama Quote. I've got the fact that Reid hasn't voted on a House passed Budget in over three years...

And you have exactly what?

Nothing.

 

[g5000]

You guys are debating over who invented sequestration? Really?

 

[TNHarley]

JAY CARNEY: What I will concede is that we were looking and the Republicans were looking for a trigger around which to build a mechanism to get us out of default possibility and the sequester was one of the idea put forward, yes by the president's team. (Special Report, February 12, 2013)

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

If the Sequestration is so bad, why did that fuck sign it? If it was the GOP who made it, why is everyone lying except your BS link? Even his employees are lying?

It is all explained by a post. All involved put it forth as something no one would dare allow to happen. President Obama underestimated the power of the right wing tail of the GOP to wag the gop dog.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Now I guess the Democrats will start asking Harry Reid about the House passed Budgets that have been passed and sat in Senate without a vote for the past year....

Oh wait a minute.. Democrats question Reid as to why he refused to bring House Passed bills to vote... The moon will turn blue while a pig and a cow fly over it first.

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Ignoratio elenchi, also known as irrelevant conclusion,[1] is the informal fallacy of presenting an argument that may or may not be logically valid, but fails nonetheless to address the issue in question

In other words, you've got nothing.

I've got the Obama Quote. I've got the fact that Reid hasn't voted on a House passed Budget in over three years...

And you have exactly what?

Nothing.

Do not try and hijack this thread, or I will report your posts as a hijack attempt to take OP off topic.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You guys are debating over who invented sequestration? Really?

please try to keep up: Blame over sequestration as a reality when it was sold as never going to happen. President Obama keeps making the mistake of giving the GOP the benefit of the doubt on maturity and love for nation over ideology and partisan politics

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

JAY CARNEY: What I will concede is that we were looking and the Republicans were looking for a trigger around which to build a mechanism to get us out of default possibility and the sequester was one of the idea put forward, yes by the president's team. (Special Report, February 12, 2013)

Sequestration is a Congressional thing. GOP needs to take responsibility for it's own actions and stop shilling for the wealthy elites as it salivates over the possibility of cutting programs.

GOP: name the programs you want to cut.

JAY CARNEY: What I will concede is that we were looking and the Republicans were looking for a trigger around which to build a mechanism to get us out of default possibility and the sequester was one of the idea put forward, yes by the president's team. (Special Report, February 12, 2013)

The PowerPoint That Proves It?s Not Obama?s Sequester After All - The Daily Beast

Congress passed sequestration before the president signed it, and the whole self-defeating exercise was carried out in response to Tea Party Republicans’ insistence that we play chicken with the debt ceiling, which ultimately cost America its AAA credit rating.

But here’s the thing. I happened to come across an old email that throws cold water on House Republicans’ attempts to call this “Obama’s Sequester.”

It’s a PowerPoint presentation that Boehner’s office developed with the Republican Policy Committee and sent out to the Capitol Hill GOP on July 31, 2011. Intended to explain the outline of the proposed debt deal, the presentation is titled: “Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable.”

It’s essentially an internal sales document from the old dealmaker Boehner to his unruly and often unreasonable Tea Party cohort. But it’s clear as day in the presentation that “sequestration” was considered a cudgel to guarantee a reduction in federal spending—the conservatives’ necessary condition for not having America default on its obligations.

The presentation lays out the deal in clear terms, describing the spending backstop as “automatic across-the-board cuts (‘sequestration&#8217. Same mechanism used in 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.”

 

[g5000]

Trying to assign blame rather than talking about how to solve the problem together. This symbolizes everything that's wrong with both parties today.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

You guys are debating over who invented sequestration? Really?

please try to keep up: Blame over sequestration as a reality when it was sold as never going to happen. President Obama keeps making the mistake of giving the GOP the benefit of the doubt on maturity and love for nation over ideology and partisan politics

His press secretary acknowledged just one week ago that the Obama team came up with the idea.

But given the fundamental dishonesty of the current President, when it suits his purposes, he will be pleased to pretend that Carney never spoke and that "sequestration" was all the other side's idea.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Trying to assign blame rather than talking about how to solve the problem. Figures.

Laying blame in order to keep a problem from happening. I'd say that is an attempt at problem solving when dealing with immature wing nuts and their leaders who lack spine, or worse, maybe the GOP wants sequestration because they fear naming the programs they want to cut.

Obama campaigned all over the nation saying, and being criticized by ALL conservatives and the whole GOP, he wanted to raise taxes on the wealthy elite. Why can't the GOP be honest and open with the American people and just name the programs they want to cut?

 

[OriginalShroom]

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Ignoratio elenchi, also known as irrelevant conclusion,[1] is the informal fallacy of presenting an argument that may or may not be logically valid, but fails nonetheless to address the issue in question

In other words, you've got nothing.

I've got the Obama Quote. I've got the fact that Reid hasn't voted on a House passed Budget in over three years...

And you have exactly what?

Nothing.

Do not try and hijack this thread, or I will report your posts as a hijack attempt to take OP off topic.

Only a liberal could call presenting the facts about a situation as "Hijacking" a thread.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You guys are debating over who invented sequestration? Really?

please try to keep up: Blame over sequestration as a reality when it was sold as never going to happen. President Obama keeps making the mistake of giving the GOP the benefit of the doubt on maturity and love for nation over ideology and partisan politics

His press secretary acknowledged just one week ago that the Obama team came up with the idea.

But given the fundamental dishonesty of the current President, when it suits his purposes, he will be pleased to pretend that Carney never spoke and that "sequestration" was all the other side's idea.

Sequestration is a Congressional thing. GOP needs to take responsibility for it's own actions and stop shilling for the wealthy elites as it salivates over the possibility of cutting programs.

GOP: name the programs you want to cut.

JAY CARNEY: What I will concede is that we were looking and the Republicans were looking for a trigger around which to build a mechanism to get us out of default possibility and the sequester was one of the idea put forward, yes by the president's team. (Special Report, February 12, 2013)

The PowerPoint That Proves It?s Not Obama?s Sequester After All - The Daily Beast

Congress passed sequestration before the president signed it, and the whole self-defeating exercise was carried out in response to Tea Party Republicans’ insistence that we play chicken with the debt ceiling, which ultimately cost America its AAA credit rating.

But here’s the thing. I happened to come across an old email that throws cold water on House Republicans’ attempts to call this “Obama’s Sequester.”

It’s a PowerPoint presentation that Boehner’s office developed with the Republican Policy Committee and sent out to the Capitol Hill GOP on July 31, 2011. Intended to explain the outline of the proposed debt deal, the presentation is titled: “Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable.”

It’s essentially an internal sales document from the old dealmaker Boehner to his unruly and often unreasonable Tea Party cohort. But it’s clear as day in the presentation that “sequestration” was considered a cudgel to guarantee a reduction in federal spending—the conservatives’ necessary condition for not having America default on its obligations.

The presentation lays out the deal in clear terms, describing the spending backstop as “automatic across-the-board cuts (‘sequestration’). Same mechanism used in 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.”

 

[OriginalShroom]

Trying to assign blame rather than talking about how to solve the problem. Figures.

Laying blame in order to keep a problem from happening. I'd say that is an attempt at problem solving when dealing with immature wing nuts and their leaders who lack spine, or worse, maybe the GOP wants sequestration because they fear naming the programs they want to cut.

Obama campaigned all over the nation saying, and being criticized by ALL conservatives and the whole GOP, he wanted to raise taxes on the wealthy elite. Why can't the GOP be honest and open with the American people and just name the programs they want to cut?

All you have to is read the Budget Bills passed by the House and that have sat unvoted on in the Senate.

 

[edthecynic]

Lifted from a post of mine in a different thread.

What you leave out from that other thread was that sequester was a CON$ervative IDEA for enforcing spending caps that CON$ have wanted for YEARS and Obama only offered it to the CON$ as a bone to try to move the process forward.

“what conservatives like me have been fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, literally legal caps in law that says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money and if they breach that amount across the board sequester comes in to cut that spending. You can’t turn it out without a supermajority. We got that into law."
- Paul Ryan, August 2011

liar

The typical Misinformation Voter cannot handle the truth. Watch the weasel get caught lying!

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