Should we remove tax exempt status for Mosque?

[Wildman]

All of a sudden liberals are supportive of religion.

only the religion that condones chopping off heads of infidels.

 

[Cecilie1200]

this idea was floated around a few years ago by the left. The said it wasn't an attempt to destroy churches by cutting into their revenue. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Why not remove the tax exempt status of mosque?

donations to any religion should be of the books.

but they all charge for certain services, that business, that's profit and they should all pony up.

Your knowledge of church operations is breathtaking in its sheer lack of existence.

My parents and I used to be the on-site caretakers for our church. We lived in what used to be the parsonage, and it was our job to clean, repair, and make the buildings available for use. Like most churches, ours did not charge for use of the church by members of the church for weddings, which was the vast majority of the weddings performed. Obviously, most people who care about specifically being married in a church, as opposed to a rental hall or other venue, are at least somewhat religiously observant, and as such, are members of their own church.

For the fees charged to non-members who just liked our building for whatever reason, it was less than $500. That covered the time and effort of having at least one member of my family available every time someone involved with the wedding needed access to the building; having one of us on call the entire day of the wedding to help manage wedding planners, decorators, florists, caterers (if the reception was on-site), etc.; having us clean the sanctuary and/or reception hall prior to the event and after the event; the pastor's time and services, if he was performing the ceremony; and the costs of the utilities used by having the church full of people. You truly have no idea how much it costs just to run the lights and air conditioning for a big, open, two-story room like that, let alone the changing rooms, nursery, etc. And all those people running in and out of the bathrooms.

If you think that was a "profit", you're a moron. The fee is charged because buildings and the people who run them cost money.

 

[hortysir]

this idea was floated around a few years ago by the left. The said it wasn't an attempt to destroy churches by cutting into their revenue. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Why not remove the tax exempt status of mosque?

Who on the Left?

There have been people who have suggested removing the tax free status of religions in the United States- and other public institutions(such as Harvard).

But the only ones suggesting removing the tax free status of one particular religion are right wing nut jobs who hate the Constitution.

Meanwhile those that would suggest it for ALL are Leftards who hate God

 

[Cecilie1200]

We should remove the tax exempt status for all organized religions.

When the churches start paying $$ to the government, you've eliminated the separation of church and state. You do realize that, right?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

When the government exempts religions from laws it is violating the first amendment because laws that exempt religions from taxes are laws that respect the establishment of religion

There is no separation of church and state mentioned in the constitution

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We should remove the tax exempt status for all organized religions.

When the churches start paying $$ to the government, you've eliminated the separation of church and state. You do realize that, right?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

When the government exempts religions from laws it is violating the first amendment because laws that exempt religions from taxes are laws that respect the establishment of religion

There is no separation of church and state mentioned in the constitution

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

 

[Cecilie1200]

We should remove the tax exempt status for all organized religions.

When the churches start paying $$ to the government, you've eliminated the separation of church and state. You do realize that, right?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

When the government exempts religions from laws it is violating the first amendment because laws that exempt religions from taxes are laws that respect the establishment of religion

There is no separation of church and state mentioned in the constitution

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

There is such passion from the left to defend mosque from taxation. It is the first time in my entire life that the left opposed any kind of taxation at all. I guess if you believe you must defend Muslims from white people then I guess this is what happens.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is such passion from the left to defend mosque from taxation. It is the first time in my entire life that the left opposed any kind of taxation at all. I guess if you believe you must defend Muslims from white people then I guess this is what happens.

Goddam you're a retard!

 

[SuperDemocrat]

There is such passion from the left to defend mosque from taxation. It is the first time in my entire life that the left opposed any kind of taxation at all. I guess if you believe you must defend Muslims from white people then I guess this is what happens.

Goddam you're a retard!

I feel your anger...and I like it!

I'm not really sure on this but isn't god damn two words? There is dam like the building that blocks water on a river and damn as in you are damn to eternity in hell. Which one did you mean because if you said god dam then you are saying God is blocking up some river somewhere but if you say God damn then you are saying God should condemn someone to hell. Which one are you referring to?

Perhaps you should try some punctuation.

God damn! You are a retard.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We should remove the tax exempt status for all organized religions.

When the churches start paying $$ to the government, you've eliminated the separation of church and state. You do realize that, right?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

When the government exempts religions from laws it is violating the first amendment because laws that exempt religions from taxes are laws that respect the establishment of religion

There is no separation of church and state mentioned in the constitution

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is such passion from the left to defend mosque from taxation. It is the first time in my entire life that the left opposed any kind of taxation at all. I guess if you believe you must defend Muslims from white people then I guess this is what happens.

Goddam you're a retard!

I feel your anger...and I like it!

I'm not really sure on this but isn't god damn two words? There is dam like the building that blocks water on a river and damn as in you are damn to eternity in hell. Which one did you mean because if you said god dam then you are saying God is blocking up some river somewhere but if you say God damn then you are saying God should condemn someone to hell. Which one are you referring to?

Perhaps you should try some punctuation.

God damn! You are a retard.

You aren't an American obviously.

 

[hortysir]

When the churches start paying $$ to the government, you've eliminated the separation of church and state. You do realize that, right?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

When the government exempts religions from laws it is violating the first amendment because laws that exempt religions from taxes are laws that respect the establishment of religion

There is no separation of church and state mentioned in the constitution

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

Property taxes.....payroll taxes....sales tax....
Just a few taxes that come to mind that aren't contingent on income or profit

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[Cecilie1200]

When the churches start paying $$ to the government, you've eliminated the separation of church and state. You do realize that, right?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

When the government exempts religions from laws it is violating the first amendment because laws that exempt religions from taxes are laws that respect the establishment of religion

There is no separation of church and state mentioned in the constitution

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

Yes, it's brilliant to suggest forcing charities to wade through exponentially more tax paperwork and red tape every year just so that they can prove they aren't liable for any taxes, rather than simply classifying them tax-exempt, JUST so that you can vent your spleen on a handful of them who dare to be based on religious beliefs.

Oh, AND to incidentally open the door for churches and religious organizations to start being politically active and partisan, which I'm SURE is something you definitely want happening, right?

You have no fucking clue why the 501(c)(3) classification exists, that's obvious. All you see is, "Churches!!!! Aaaaagh!!!! We must marginalize them immediately!!!! If we notice that they exist in society, that's SPECIAL TREATMENT!!!! A theocracy is coming!!!!"

But by all means, if you can demonstrate that there's a logical reason to overcomplicate the tax system further in regards to non-profits - and please do keep in mind that it would apply to ALL non-profits, not merely religious organizations - then lay it on me.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

When the government exempts religions from laws it is violating the first amendment because laws that exempt religions from taxes are laws that respect the establishment of religion

There is no separation of church and state mentioned in the constitution

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

Property taxes.....payroll taxes....sales tax....
Just a few taxes that come to mind that aren't contingent on income or profit

Sent from my Y538 using Tapatalk

And all should be paid

Even churches and charities benefit from government services that we all have to pay for so they should too

 

[Skull Pilot]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

When the government exempts religions from laws it is violating the first amendment because laws that exempt religions from taxes are laws that respect the establishment of religion

There is no separation of church and state mentioned in the constitution

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

Yes, it's brilliant to suggest forcing charities to wade through exponentially more tax paperwork and red tape every year just so that they can prove they aren't liable for any taxes, rather than simply classifying them tax-exempt, JUST so that you can vent your spleen on a handful of them who dare to be based on religious beliefs.

Oh, AND to incidentally open the door for churches and religious organizations to start being politically active and partisan, which I'm SURE is something you definitely want happening, right?

You have no fucking clue why the 501(c)(3) classification exists, that's obvious. All you see is, "Churches!!!! Aaaaagh!!!! We must marginalize them immediately!!!! If we notice that they exist in society, that's SPECIAL TREATMENT!!!! A theocracy is coming!!!!"

But by all means, if you can demonstrate that there's a logical reason to overcomplicate the tax system further in regards to non-profits - and please do keep in mind that it would apply to ALL non-profits, not merely religious organizations - then lay it on me.

They wouldn't have to wade through anymore paperwork than any business

Getting rid of all the tax laws written especially for charities and churches would simplify the tax code

 

[Cecilie1200]

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

Property taxes.....payroll taxes....sales tax....
Just a few taxes that come to mind that aren't contingent on income or profit

Sent from my Y538 using Tapatalk

And all should be paid

Even churches and charities benefit from government services that we all have to pay for so they should too

Really? What government services are charities getting that are paid by income taxes? And conversely, what are charities ADDING to the community that businesses don't, which you are willing to do away with simply because you think it's "unfair" that people who make no profit aren't still charged as though they do?

 

[Cecilie1200]

The government exempts non-profit organizations from taxes, because they DON'T MAKE A PROFIT TO TAX. You act like churches and religious organizations are the only groups who get that exemption. There are 1.5 million registered non-profit organizations in the US, according to the National Center for Charitable Statistics (NCCS).

And it is only a "violation of the First Amendment" if they don't extend that exemption impartially to ALL religious organizations who meet the requirements.

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

Yes, it's brilliant to suggest forcing charities to wade through exponentially more tax paperwork and red tape every year just so that they can prove they aren't liable for any taxes, rather than simply classifying them tax-exempt, JUST so that you can vent your spleen on a handful of them who dare to be based on religious beliefs.

Oh, AND to incidentally open the door for churches and religious organizations to start being politically active and partisan, which I'm SURE is something you definitely want happening, right?

You have no fucking clue why the 501(c)(3) classification exists, that's obvious. All you see is, "Churches!!!! Aaaaagh!!!! We must marginalize them immediately!!!! If we notice that they exist in society, that's SPECIAL TREATMENT!!!! A theocracy is coming!!!!"

But by all means, if you can demonstrate that there's a logical reason to overcomplicate the tax system further in regards to non-profits - and please do keep in mind that it would apply to ALL non-profits, not merely religious organizations - then lay it on me.

They wouldn't have to wade through anymore paperwork than any business

Getting rid of all the tax laws written especially for charities and churches would simplify the tax code

You're clearly not an accountant. Businesses do completely different paperwork and accounting than non-profits do. That's why accounting degrees have entire classes in accounting specifically for non-profits. You can even get a degree specifically in accounting for non-profits.

There's a world of difference between IRS paperwork for an organization that is not aimed at making a profit, and one that is aimed at making a profit and simply didn't this year. And there are good reasons for doing it that way.

I'm still waiting for you to give me any good reason to do it differently, because I note that you still have not done so. And no, "simplify the tax code" doesn't count, because while the written law might have less to it, the workload on both sides would increase.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

Property taxes.....payroll taxes....sales tax....
Just a few taxes that come to mind that aren't contingent on income or profit

Sent from my Y538 using Tapatalk

And all should be paid

Even churches and charities benefit from government services that we all have to pay for so they should too

Really? What government services are charities getting that are paid by income taxes? And conversely, what are charities ADDING to the community that businesses don't, which you are willing to do away with simply because you think it's "unfair" that people who make no profit aren't still charged as though they do?

Let's see

Roads, water, sewer etc etc are all public services provided by government agencies anyone and everyone who uses them should pay like everyone else

Being exempt from not only federal taxes but the myriad of state taxes means we are all paying for them

And like I said if they truly show zero profit any year then they will pay no income taxes will they?

There are a million and one ways to show zero profit and these tax exempt businesses have been taking advantage of them for way too long

 

[NYcarbineer]

What part of the Constitution would you utilize to single out all Muslim places of worship for revoking their tax exempt status?

 

[Skull Pilot]

No business should be tax exempt even if that business is a charity

If a business truly is non profit then they need no special status they can file their taxes every year and show zero profit therefore pay no tax

By definition, charities AREN'T businesses.

But hey, you want to suck a bunch of money out of the Salvation Army to give to the federal government to fritter away? We'll send the homeless people to bunk at YOUR house.

If your objection is, "Ehrmagerd, the IRS has special administrative designations to allow them to keep track of who does and doesn't meet non-profit requirements, WE CAN'T HAVE NAMES FOR THINGS!" then you're not very bright.

If they truly are non profit then they won't pay taxes will they?

There is no need for any special status

If you can't see that then you're the one who is not so bright

Yes, it's brilliant to suggest forcing charities to wade through exponentially more tax paperwork and red tape every year just so that they can prove they aren't liable for any taxes, rather than simply classifying them tax-exempt, JUST so that you can vent your spleen on a handful of them who dare to be based on religious beliefs.

Oh, AND to incidentally open the door for churches and religious organizations to start being politically active and partisan, which I'm SURE is something you definitely want happening, right?

You have no fucking clue why the 501(c)(3) classification exists, that's obvious. All you see is, "Churches!!!! Aaaaagh!!!! We must marginalize them immediately!!!! If we notice that they exist in society, that's SPECIAL TREATMENT!!!! A theocracy is coming!!!!"

But by all means, if you can demonstrate that there's a logical reason to overcomplicate the tax system further in regards to non-profits - and please do keep in mind that it would apply to ALL non-profits, not merely religious organizations - then lay it on me.

They wouldn't have to wade through anymore paperwork than any business

Getting rid of all the tax laws written especially for charities and churches would simplify the tax code

You're clearly not an accountant. Businesses do completely different paperwork and accounting than non-profits do. That's why accounting degrees have entire classes in accounting specifically for non-profits. You can even get a degree specifically in accounting for non-profits.

There's a world of difference between IRS paperwork for an organization that is not aimed at making a profit, and one that is aimed at making a profit and simply didn't this year. And there are good reasons for doing it that way.

I'm still waiting for you to give me any good reason to do it differently, because I note that you still have not done so. And no, "simplify the tax code" doesn't count, because while the written law might have less to it, the workload on both sides would increase.

And getting rid of all the extra shit on the books for so called non profit businesses will simplify the tax code