Should Young Minorities Be Allowed To Buy Guns ?

[OldLady]

Minorities, as a percentage, commit most of the violent crimes in America. That is a fact. Why let them have guns?

At least we should be able to see their criminal history. With Obama's Promise Program, if it's still in effect, we can't do that.

If that's the case, then selling guns to young minorities with concealed crime backgrounds could be asking for trouble

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

Cruz had felony convictions prior to his shooting spree? Do you have a link? I did a Google search and found nothing.

No, you're right. He didn't. The justice system has long realized that sending an adolescent into the juvenile corrections system pretty much ensures they will wind up a criminal for life. However, Nicholas Cruz had such a long line of red flags in his history that I agree something should have alerted someone that what they were doing wasn't working.

I blame the school board for what happened. It is a "nice" community, and they want to play up it being a safe place for good families to live and send their children to school. Having statistics that include troubled kids like Cruz in their portfolio just wouldn't be helpful. Obama's "Promise Program" has valid reasoning behind it but it was applied inappropriately in Cruz's case.

 

[protectionist]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

so your title was "should young minorities be allowed to buy guns"

and then you immediately SWITCHED IT to....

"young minorities with CRIMINAL RECORDS"

I'm guessing you are a conservative?

There is no switch. It simply happens to be the case that titles contain far fewer words than OPs do. This was explained earlier.

 

[Jitss617]

You obviously can’t read

I read quite well.

YOur plan involves getting rid of all illegal guns in 60 days. No idea how you plan to accomplish that. Do you expect the criminals to just turn them over? Or will you have the police do detailed searches of every building in the inner city?

Then, you want to "let the murders happen for a few months". The problem with that is that most criminals are scavengers. They won't attack other, armed criminals. They will attack unarmed citizens. The murders will happen, no doubt. But it won't be the bad guys getting killed. It will be the innocent.

And your last sentence, "god always takes the bad first" is absolute nonsense.

Well cool story

So why not tell us how you plan to remove all the illegal guns in 60 days?

We tell them the gun ban will be released in 60 days, you will treated with respect and be allowed to use the 2nd amendment, we will release the police state you live under also in 60 days.. turn your guns in..
then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection. Period

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

 

[protectionist]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

so your title was "should young minorities be allowed to buy guns"

and then you immediately SWITCHED IT to....

"young minorities with CRIMINAL RECORDS"

I'm guessing you are a conservative?

Young minorities shouldn't be able to buy guns if they have a felony record. But then, neither should young whites.

"felony" should not matter. Some felonies (ex bank robbery) are less dangerous than some misdemeanors (ex. battery).

Also, some items of backgrounds that are not crimes at all, are worse for gun sales than many crimes (ex. Cruz threatening to shoot up the school)

 

[WinterBorn]

I read quite well.

YOur plan involves getting rid of all illegal guns in 60 days. No idea how you plan to accomplish that. Do you expect the criminals to just turn them over? Or will you have the police do detailed searches of every building in the inner city?

Then, you want to "let the murders happen for a few months". The problem with that is that most criminals are scavengers. They won't attack other, armed criminals. They will attack unarmed citizens. The murders will happen, no doubt. But it won't be the bad guys getting killed. It will be the innocent.

And your last sentence, "god always takes the bad first" is absolute nonsense.

Well cool story

So why not tell us how you plan to remove all the illegal guns in 60 days?

We tell them the gun ban will be released in 60 days, you will treated with respect and be allowed to use the 2nd amendment, we will release the police state you live under also in 60 days.. turn your guns in..
then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection. Period

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

 

[WinterBorn]

As much as I am against gun control, I do believe criminals (those with records) shouldn't be free to buy guns. Their records should be public information, and available to gun sellers.

This wasn't the case with Nicolas Cruz, the Parkland Massacre killer, whose criminal activity was covered up, due to Obama's "Promise Program". Gun sellers, unable to see the Cruz background dirt, freely sold him the guns he used to kill 17 people.

So now we have many young minorities with criminal backgrounds, impervious to background checks. Where do we go from here ? Hopefully, not to more Parkland shootings.

so your title was "should young minorities be allowed to buy guns"

and then you immediately SWITCHED IT to....

"young minorities with CRIMINAL RECORDS"

I'm guessing you are a conservative?

Young minorities shouldn't be able to buy guns if they have a felony record. But then, neither should young whites.

"felony" should not matter. Some felonies (ex bank robbery) are less dangerous than some misdemeanors (ex. battery).

Also, some items of backgrounds that are not crimes at all, are worse for gun sales than many crimes (ex. Cruz threatening to shoot up the school)

Threatening to shoot up the school is a felony.

 

[Jitss617]

Well cool story

So why not tell us how you plan to remove all the illegal guns in 60 days?

We tell them the gun ban will be released in 60 days, you will treated with respect and be allowed to use the 2nd amendment, we will release the police state you live under also in 60 days.. turn your guns in..
then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection. Period

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

 

[katsteve2012]

So now the second amendment is only the right of whites.

You might recall the NRA becoming pro gun control over this:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BRAB&usg=AOvVaw2qU-MP-W-Jk8RJ9W3BBaGN&ampcf=1

 

[WinterBorn]

So why not tell us how you plan to remove all the illegal guns in 60 days?

We tell them the gun ban will be released in 60 days, you will treated with respect and be allowed to use the 2nd amendment, we will release the police state you live under also in 60 days.. turn your guns in..
then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection. Period

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

That will get expensive. Plus, you would have to ignore criminal records, mental health, and lack of training in safe handling of firearms.

 

[WinterBorn]

So why not tell us how you plan to remove all the illegal guns in 60 days?

We tell them the gun ban will be released in 60 days, you will treated with respect and be allowed to use the 2nd amendment, we will release the police state you live under also in 60 days.. turn your guns in..
then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection. Period

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

Also, it is federal law that felons cannot own guns.

I know you said this wasn't about you, but you never answered whether you would turn in the guns you claim to own.

 

[Jitss617]

We tell them the gun ban will be released in 60 days, you will treated with respect and be allowed to use the 2nd amendment, we will release the police state you live under also in 60 days.. turn your guns in..
then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection. Period

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

That will get expensive. Plus, you would have to ignore criminal records, mental health, and lack of training in safe handling of firearms.

You don’t have to live in a country with the second amendment,, now if you want to amend the constitution I wish you luck faag

 

[WinterBorn]

So now the second amendment is only the right of whites.

You might recall the NRA becoming pro gun control over this:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BRAB&usg=AOvVaw2qU-MP-W-Jk8RJ9W3BBaGN&ampcf=1

People tend to forget that CA's strict gun laws originated from laws passed by Reagan to curtail blacks walking around with loaded, legally owned, guns.

 

[WinterBorn]

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

That will get expensive. Plus, you would have to ignore criminal records, mental health, and lack of training in safe handling of firearms.

You don’t have to live in a country with the second amendment,, now if you want to amend the constitution I wish you luck faag

I do live in a country with a 2nd amendment, and I support it.

 

[Jitss617]

We tell them the gun ban will be released in 60 days, you will treated with respect and be allowed to use the 2nd amendment, we will release the police state you live under also in 60 days.. turn your guns in..
then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection. Period

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

Also, it is federal law that felons cannot own guns.

I know you said this wasn't about you, but you never answered whether you would turn in the guns you claim to own.

It’s not about me,, I have special clearance for my security team.. if you feel safe at night your welcome

 

[Jitss617]

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

That will get expensive. Plus, you would have to ignore criminal records, mental health, and lack of training in safe handling of firearms.

You don’t have to live in a country with the second amendment,, now if you want to amend the constitution I wish you luck faag

I do live in a country with a 2nd amendment, and I support it.

Lol you support it like I want corona virus lol

 

[WinterBorn]

First of all, if you expect criminals to trust the gov't and turn in their guns, you are just naive.

"then after 60 days we will give everyone a toll for protection" What? What toll will protect anyone?

They will when you treat them with respect, not toll tool

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

Also, it is federal law that felons cannot own guns.

I know you said this wasn't about you, but you never answered whether you would turn in the guns you claim to own.

It’s not about me,, I have special clearance for my security team.. if you feel safe at night your welcome

Of course you do.

I feel safe at night now.

 

[WinterBorn]

Riiiight. You really are naive, aren't you?

Considering that being caught with a gun could send them to jail, I doubt they will bring them to the police.

And what tool for self defense will you be giving everyone? Mace? A baseball bat?

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

That will get expensive. Plus, you would have to ignore criminal records, mental health, and lack of training in safe handling of firearms.

You don’t have to live in a country with the second amendment,, now if you want to amend the constitution I wish you luck faag

I do live in a country with a 2nd amendment, and I support it.

Lol you support it like I want corona virus lol

I support it. I also support the 1968 Gun Control Act that banned felons from owning guns.

 

[Jitss617]

No you will receive no punishment for turning your gun over, we will be issuing guns to any citizen that wants one after the 60 days is over.

That will get expensive. Plus, you would have to ignore criminal records, mental health, and lack of training in safe handling of firearms.

You don’t have to live in a country with the second amendment,, now if you want to amend the constitution I wish you luck faag

I do live in a country with a 2nd amendment, and I support it.

Lol you support it like I want corona virus lol

I support it. I also support the 1968 Gun Control Act that banned felons from owning guns.

Then you don’t support the Second Amendment there is nothing in there that says a felon cannot have a weapon

 

[bodecea]

Still there is a federal law that bans those who have been convicted of certain crimes from ever possessing firearms which does include domestic violence offenses.

Texas, Under Texas state law a convicted felon may possess a firearm in the residence, in which he lives, once five years have elapsed from the date his sentence was discharged. This means the later of release from prison or parole. This is not true under federal law.


Montana is considered a restorative state, meaning under the Montana Constitution, felons who have completed their sentences and probationary periods have their rights restored — and technically can do things that regular citizens do, including possess a firearm and vote

Alaska - Ten years after completing felony probation, the state no longer bans felons from possessing firearms.
Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun. There is no requirement to register any firearm with the state of Alaska.

yet State laws say differently

But with Obama's Promise Program, young minorities like Nicolas Cruz can buy guns ANYTIME, with gun sellers unaware of their criminal background.

Liberal Obama supporters cry out for background checks, but then say nothing when their hero devises a program obliterating these checks, and one of the kids protected, goes out and shoots 34 people, killing 17 of them.

Sorry you just reading to many right wing sites. The program that you referred to was being pushed as an obama initiative but in reality it was a local program

Broward County, Florida program called PROMISE (Preventing Recidivism Through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Support and Education.) PROMISE was begun in 2013 by the Broward County School District and Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale; it is an intervention program for student behavior that would otherwise prompt a suspension, expulsion or arrest

this program was a local initiative and did not involve federal agencies or Obama

I am sure OB welcome the local initiative as an intervention for trouble youth but it was hardly a federal program and had nothing to do with OB

But that doesn't stop right wing from tying the two together to make some statement

Also if I remember correctly Cruz had already left school and as soon as he was of age and able to buy a gun , he did get a gun

look at Florida state laws which allow 18 year old kids to possess fire arms

1. The program originated from Obama. You create it, you own it.

2. Doesn't matter if Cruz out of school. Point is the PP kept his bad record hidden from gun sellers, in school or not.

PROMISE Program Getting Very Little Press

Parkland Parents Mad About the PROMISE Program-Look To Oust School Board

Overseer of Broward Schools' PROMISE Program Getting Big Rai$e

What Punishment for PROMISE Program leaders ?

Did someone mention Former President OBAMA??

 

[Jitss617]

P

Still there is a federal law that bans those who have been convicted of certain crimes from ever possessing firearms which does include domestic violence offenses.

Texas, Under Texas state law a convicted felon may possess a firearm in the residence, in which he lives, once five years have elapsed from the date his sentence was discharged. This means the later of release from prison or parole. This is not true under federal law.


Montana is considered a restorative state, meaning under the Montana Constitution, felons who have completed their sentences and probationary periods have their rights restored — and technically can do things that regular citizens do, including possess a firearm and vote

Alaska - Ten years after completing felony probation, the state no longer bans felons from possessing firearms.
Alaska has no waiting period for the purchase of a handgun, rifle or shotgun. There is no requirement to register any firearm with the state of Alaska.

yet State laws say differently

But with Obama's Promise Program, young minorities like Nicolas Cruz can buy guns ANYTIME, with gun sellers unaware of their criminal background.

Liberal Obama supporters cry out for background checks, but then say nothing when their hero devises a program obliterating these checks, and one of the kids protected, goes out and shoots 34 people, killing 17 of them.

Sorry you just reading to many right wing sites. The program that you referred to was being pushed as an obama initiative but in reality it was a local program

Broward County, Florida program called PROMISE (Preventing Recidivism Through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Support and Education.) PROMISE was begun in 2013 by the Broward County School District and Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale; it is an intervention program for student behavior that would otherwise prompt a suspension, expulsion or arrest

this program was a local initiative and did not involve federal agencies or Obama

I am sure OB welcome the local initiative as an intervention for trouble youth but it was hardly a federal program and had nothing to do with OB

But that doesn't stop right wing from tying the two together to make some statement

Also if I remember correctly Cruz had already left school and as soon as he was of age and able to buy a gun , he did get a gun

look at Florida state laws which allow 18 year old kids to possess fire arms

1. The program originated from Obama. You create it, you own it.

2. Doesn't matter if Cruz out of school. Point is the PP kept his bad record hidden from gun sellers, in school or not.

PROMISE Program Getting Very Little Press

Parkland Parents Mad About the PROMISE Program-Look To Oust School Board

Overseer of Broward Schools' PROMISE Program Getting Big Rai$e

What Punishment for PROMISE Program leaders ?

Did someone mention Former President OBAMA??

lol poor guy was in over his head haha what an embarrassment