Simple question on electric vehicles, where does the electricity to recharge them come from?

[Blues Man]

We need to find a way to decrease our dependence of foreign countries for power.

Being dependent on China for batteries solar tech and wind mill components is no better than being dependent on the Middle East for oil.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You know this is not correct. It has been the lefties who have consistently fought pollution. The GOP used to actually care as well when Nixon was around but they quickly realized there's more money without regulation.



This is a gross mischaracterization.



Just because you don't understand the science doesn't make it any less real.



Speaking as someone who has been involved in alternative energy sources for transportation (my second postdoc) I can say that the free market is good but not fast enough. Now that denialists have kept us from addressing the topic for decades the choices are going to get harder and the solutions won't be as easy a fix as a simple "market fix".

Remember leaded gasoline? YOu may be too young but for many of us who lived through that change I can tell you the free market wasn't moving fast enough. Government mandates came in and it worked fine. We all survived. Same with acid rain. Remember that? Yeah, we fought it and won. We leveraged SOME free market stuff but we also required mandates from the government to ensure that the market didn't crush some people for doing the right thing.

All of this requires you have an appreciation for history and science. Something you clearly lack.

I can say that the free market is good but not fast enough.

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

Looks pretty fast to me.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

I can say that the free market is good but not fast enough.

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World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

Looks pretty fast to me.

You would think that. But then your understanding of the topic is pretty limited.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are they now? I've been driving my EV for free for about the last 3 years. Gets 300 miles on a full charge. I charge on my solar so I don't even pay to charge the thing.

I'm curious what is impractical about this scenario? Is it impractical in your imagination because you don't know what you are talking about? Why not listen to those of us who are LIVING IT right now?

Economics, some people just don't get it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You would think that. But then your understanding of the topic is pretty limited.

What caused the drop? Kyoto? Paris? Obama wishing really hard?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Honestly all this nit picking against EV's is a bit over the top. ESPECIALLY given how dangerous fossil fuels are to the environment, and how they are limited unlike solar.

You have unlimited solar? Awesome!
How much do you get per hour, over an average day?

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

You have unlimited solar? Awesome!
How much do you get per hour, over an average day?

Enough that I run about 1000kWh excess month over month. Meaning I generate, on average, far more electricity than I use.

Hope that helps.

(Also: I don't know if you know this but the sun is expected to be around for several billion years more!)

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

What caused the drop? Kyoto? Paris? Obama wishing really hard?

What is it like being so uneducated? It must be hard to make a living.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Enough that I run about 1000kWh excess month over month. Meaning I generate, on average, far more electricity than I use.

That wasn't my question.

How much do you get per hour, over an average day?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What is it like being so uneducated? It must be hard to make a living.

Sorry if the free market makes you feel stupid.
Plenty of liberals experience the same feelings of inadequacy.

 

[Blues Man]

Economics, some people just don't get it.

You obviously don't understand that all EVs have a greater carbon cost of production and that it matters when the car pays that back and becomes cleaner than an ICE vehicle.

A small EV will pay back the carbon cost in about 15K miles so that makes sense

A full size electric SUV will pay back it's carbon cost of production on something like 100K miles so that doesn't make too much sense from an environmental standpoint.

These are just the facts but you people seem to think it's an insult.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Sorry if the free market makes you feel stupid.

Unlike YOU I've got patents to my name. . I'd say I have a better view of the ability of the free market to address a given issue.

Plenty of liberals experience the same feelings of inadequacy.

I suspect You are the inadequate one.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

That wasn't my question.

How much do you get per hour, over an average day?

I gave you enough information.

 

[Blues Man]

Unlike YOU I've got patents to my name. . I'd say I have a better view of the ability of the free market to address a given issue.



I suspect You are the inadequate one.

OOOHHH a BADASS internet inventor

Anyone can say anything on the internet

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

OOOHHH a BADASS internet inventor

Anyone can say anything on the internet

Sure. Except sometimes it's true.

You have a patent question? I can answer it for you.

Ask away, dumbass.

 

[Blues Man]

Sure. Except sometimes it's true.

You have a patent question? I can answer it for you.

Ask away, dumbass.

Show me the patent with your name on it then prove it's actually yours

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Show me the patent with your name on it then prove it's actually yours

Right after you give my your social security number.

I was thinking maybe you might have a general question about how patents work. I could answer that for you so you'll understand how the concept of a patent works. Most dumbasses like you don't have a clue how they work.

 

[Blues Man]

Right after you give my your social security number.

I was thinking maybe you might have a general question about how patents work. I could answer that for you so you'll understand how the concept of a patent works. Most dumbasses like you don't have a clue how they work.

So then you can't prove it.

I didn't think so.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

So then you can't prove it.

I didn't think so.

I will GLADLY prove it once you give me your social security number. Easy peasy.

 

[Blues Man]

I will GLADLY prove it once you give me your social security number. Easy peasy.

You made the claim YOU prove it.