Single payer system within 7 years

[JoeB131]

That woman's mother who lost both legs thanks to the year plus delay in her treatment.

Oh, you worked on the assumption I watched that Agit-prop horseshit from the INsurance industry?

Silly man.

 

[JoeB131]

Some veterans still wait months for medical care

What Trump didn't fix it?

 

[JoeB131]

As long as you survive the absurdly long lines, lack of modern equipment and no new drugs, those other systems are hunky dory.

Again, they live longer than we do and have a lower infant mortality rate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As long as you survive the absurdly long lines, lack of modern equipment and no new drugs, those other systems are hunky dory.

Again, they live longer than we do and have a lower infant mortality rate.

Yes, those fake stats are very convincing.

 

[Political Junky]

As long as you survive the absurdly long lines, lack of modern equipment and no new drugs, those other systems are hunky dory.

Again, they live longer than we do and have a lower infant mortality rate.

That's true, but seems to escape the Right.

 

[g5000]

On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer predicts America will have single-payer health care within 7 years

The recent passage of a tweak on Obamacare by the GOP is viewed with disdain by pretty much everyone, just like when the Dims passed Obamacare and were rounded up and thrown out of office.

According to some, however, this will only lead to a single payer in a very short time.

The GOP acted like a bunch of Dims yesterday as they tweaked, not repealed, Obamacare. They were not even very sure what was in the bill, Nancy Pelosi style. They did not even wait for a CBO analysis of what exactly they were voting for. Then they all went to the White House to celebrate like a bunch of retards. Of course, the main objective in Washington is simply to "get things done" that work 100%, 100% of the time for 100% of the population. This is nothing short of a socialist mentality. And since socialism is nothing but a never ending quest for the unattainable, the drum beat will continue for a single payer system

As I've been saying for YEARS, the Republicans sold us down the single payer river to the Democrats decades ago. All this sound and fury over ObamaCare has been theater for the rubes.

Donald Trump is here to lead the tards into the liberal camp and deliver single payer healthcare.

 

[g5000]

“As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland." - Donald J. Trump, 2015.


Donald Trump in his book The America We Deserve:

We must have universal healthcare...I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...

Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork..

The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans. There are fewer medical lawsuits, less loss of labor to sickness, and lower costs to companies paying for the medical care of their employees. If the program were in place in Massachusetts in 1999 it would have reduced administrative costs by $2.5 million. We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing.




Donald Trump on Larry King the first time he ran for President:

I'm quite liberal, and getting much more liberal, on health care and other things. What's the purpose of a country if you're not gonna have defense and health care? If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. So I'm very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal healthcare.

See 13:25:

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

As long as you survive the absurdly long lines, lack of modern equipment and no new drugs, those other systems are hunky dory.

Again, they live longer than we do and have a lower infant mortality rate.

That's true, but seems to escape the Right.

No, the right are just smarter than the left by not making it a political issue to promote government healthcare.

Birth defects were the single biggest cause, but the report finds a high rate of low birthweight babies and preterm births.

The numbers tell the story of why. Teenagers and women over 40, and unmarried women, are far more likely to have babies who weigh too little at birth, who have birth defects or who are born too soon.

And despite clear guidelines from groups such as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, some IVF (in vitro fertilization) clinics still implant women with more than one embryo at a time.

More than 60,000 U.S. babies a year are born through IVF and most women are implanted with more than one embryo.

"The infant mortality rate for twins is four times the rate for single births," McCabe said.

"The infant mortality rate for triplets is 12 times and for quadruplets 26 times the rate for single births. Most of these are not nature making the decision. Most of these are the providers together with the family."

"Women, especially women in underserved communities, are subjected to stress in their communities on a daily basis," McCabe said. "There is a growing body of evidence that stress is associated with preterm birth. But also there's infection, inflammation, diabetes, obesity, overweight. All of these things have an impact."

Obesity, poor access to health care and teen birth rates are all high in the states with the highest infant mortality rates, experts point out.

U.S. Infant Mortality Rate Stays High: Report

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, those fake stats are very convincing.

NO problem, budd. We know you wingnuts have Jesus and you don't need you no facts or science.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, those fake stats are very convincing.

NO problem, budd. We know you wingnuts have Jesus and you don't need you no facts or science.

Nah, your fake stats have nothing to do with Jesus.

 

[JoeB131]

Nah, your fake stats have nothing to do with Jesus.

Fake stats compiled by our own CIA, the world health organization and the UN.

Yup. Totally fake stats, because they don't tell the story you want to hear.

Because it doesn't occur to you that when everyone can't access the health care system, bad stuff happens.

 

[FJO]

Medicare is a single payer system,

If it is good enough for people over 65, it should be good for all,

Should be? What if it is not? Assuming it is not the perfect system for all, (crazy thought I know), what choices will they have?

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

Well, who pays for the public libraries? Public roads? Public schools?
Public parks?

Obviously, taxes of some illiterates supports libraries. Taxes of some who don't drive support building and maintenance of roads. Taxes of some who don't have children pays for schools. Taxes of some who never venture outside pays for parks.

Healthcare is different only that - unlike the above examples - everybody needs it and that it is more expensive. If you want it and/or need it, you pay for it either out of your own pocket, on the spot, or through your taxes.

 

[Rustic]

Medicare is a single payer system,

If it is good enough for people over 65, it should be good for all,

Should be? What if it is not? Assuming it is not the perfect system for all, (crazy thought I know), what choices will they have?

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

Well, who pays for the public libraries? Public roads? Public schools?
Public parks?

Obviously, taxes of some illiterates supports libraries. Taxes of some who don't drive support building and maintenance of roads. Taxes of some who don't have children pays for schools. Taxes of some who never venture outside pays for parks.

Healthcare is different only that - unlike the above examples - everybody needs it and that it is more expensive. If you want it and/or need it, you pay for it either out of your own pocket, on the spot, or through your taxes.

See that's the problem, people that will never use it and never want to use it will be forced into it. That is why the concept of paying into a pool is so immoral.
Money is fungible, so people will be paying for things they absolutely disagree with every fiber of their being. By the way any type of insurance/socialize medicine is not healthcare… LOL

 

[FJO]

Medicare is a single payer system,

If it is good enough for people over 65, it should be good for all,

Should be? What if it is not? Assuming it is not the perfect system for all, (crazy thought I know), what choices will they have?

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

Well, who pays for the public libraries? Public roads? Public schools?
Public parks?

Obviously, taxes of some illiterates supports libraries. Taxes of some who don't drive support building and maintenance of roads. Taxes of some who don't have children pays for schools. Taxes of some who never venture outside pays for parks.

Healthcare is different only that - unlike the above examples - everybody needs it and that it is more expensive. If you want it and/or need it, you pay for it either out of your own pocket, on the spot, or through your taxes.

See that's the problem, people that will never use it and never want to use it will be forced into it. That is why the concept of paying into a pool is so immoral.
Money is fungible, so people will be paying for things they absolutely disagree with every fiber of their being. By the way any type of insurance/socialize medicine is not healthcare… LOL

Is it immoral to let children learn how to read? Is it immoral to have roads and other infrastructure paid for by taxes of those who don't use them? Is it immoral to have someone less fortunate than you enjoy what you take for granted supported by a tiny fraction of taxes you are paying?

I am about a conservative as one can get. But that never stopped me from being charitable.

 

[Rustic]

Should be? What if it is not? Assuming it is not the perfect system for all, (crazy thought I know), what choices will they have?

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

Well, who pays for the public libraries? Public roads? Public schools?
Public parks?

Obviously, taxes of some illiterates supports libraries. Taxes of some who don't drive support building and maintenance of roads. Taxes of some who don't have children pays for schools. Taxes of some who never venture outside pays for parks.

Healthcare is different only that - unlike the above examples - everybody needs it and that it is more expensive. If you want it and/or need it, you pay for it either out of your own pocket, on the spot, or through your taxes.

See that's the problem, people that will never use it and never want to use it will be forced into it. That is why the concept of paying into a pool is so immoral.
Money is fungible, so people will be paying for things they absolutely disagree with every fiber of their being. By the way any type of insurance/socialize medicine is not healthcare… LOL

Is it immoral to let children learn how to read? Is it immoral to have roads and other infrastructure paid for by taxes of those who don't use them? Is it immoral to have someone less fortunate than you enjoy what you take for granted supported by a tiny fraction of taxes you are paying?

I am about a conservative as one can get. But that never stopped me from being charitable.

you're talking voluntarily, with socialize medicine it's forced.
Charity as you call it, is not forced... there is nothing moral about the collective.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nah, your fake stats have nothing to do with Jesus.

Fake stats compiled by our own CIA, the world health organization and the UN.

Yup. Totally fake stats, because they don't tell the story you want to hear.

Because it doesn't occur to you that when everyone can't access the health care system, bad stuff happens.

I especially love when you believe stats from places like Cuba.

 

[FJO]

Medicare is a single payer system,

If it is good enough for people over 65, it should be good for all,

Should be? What if it is not? Assuming it is not the perfect system for all, (crazy thought I know), what choices will they have?

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

Well, who pays for the public libraries? Public roads? Public schools?
Public parks?

Obviously, taxes of some illiterates supports libraries. Taxes of some who don't drive support building and maintenance of roads. Taxes of some who don't have children pays for schools. Taxes of some who never venture outside pays for parks.

Healthcare is different only that - unlike the above examples - everybody needs it and that it is more expensive. If you want it and/or need it, you pay for it either out of your own pocket, on the spot, or through your taxes.

See that's the problem, people that will never use it and never want to use it will be forced into it. That is why the concept of paying into a pool is so immoral.
Money is fungible, so people will be paying for things they absolutely disagree with every fiber of their being. By the way any type of insurance/socialize medicine is not healthcare… LOL

What and when is NEVER?

Sure, a person in his/her twenties/thirties is reluctant to pay for something that they don't get right now, but if they are lucky to live as long as those whose health care they are so reluctant to contribute to, they will be beneficiary of the common decency they resist and declare immoral now,

 

[Rustic]

Should be? What if it is not? Assuming it is not the perfect system for all, (crazy thought I know), what choices will they have?

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

Well, who pays for the public libraries? Public roads? Public schools?
Public parks?

Obviously, taxes of some illiterates supports libraries. Taxes of some who don't drive support building and maintenance of roads. Taxes of some who don't have children pays for schools. Taxes of some who never venture outside pays for parks.

Healthcare is different only that - unlike the above examples - everybody needs it and that it is more expensive. If you want it and/or need it, you pay for it either out of your own pocket, on the spot, or through your taxes.

See that's the problem, people that will never use it and never want to use it will be forced into it. That is why the concept of paying into a pool is so immoral.
Money is fungible, so people will be paying for things they absolutely disagree with every fiber of their being. By the way any type of insurance/socialize medicine is not healthcare… LOL

What and when is NEVER?

Sure, a person in his/her twenties/thirties is reluctant to pay for something that they don't get right now, but if they are lucky to live as long as those whose health care they are so reluctant to contribute to, they will be beneficiary of the common decency they resist and declare immoral now,

Why not make it an opt in? any type of insurance/socialized medicine should be an opt in, you know voluntary... otherwise it's legalized extortion.

 

[FJO]

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

Well, who pays for the public libraries? Public roads? Public schools?
Public parks?

Obviously, taxes of some illiterates supports libraries. Taxes of some who don't drive support building and maintenance of roads. Taxes of some who don't have children pays for schools. Taxes of some who never venture outside pays for parks.

Healthcare is different only that - unlike the above examples - everybody needs it and that it is more expensive. If you want it and/or need it, you pay for it either out of your own pocket, on the spot, or through your taxes.

See that's the problem, people that will never use it and never want to use it will be forced into it. That is why the concept of paying into a pool is so immoral.
Money is fungible, so people will be paying for things they absolutely disagree with every fiber of their being. By the way any type of insurance/socialize medicine is not healthcare… LOL

What and when is NEVER?

Sure, a person in his/her twenties/thirties is reluctant to pay for something that they don't get right now, but if they are lucky to live as long as those whose health care they are so reluctant to contribute to, they will be beneficiary of the common decency they resist and declare immoral now,

Why not make it an opt in? any type of insurance/socialized medicine should be an opt in, you know voluntary... otherwise it's legalized extortior.

Sure, make it an "opt in", but keep a record of it.

When the time comes, when you are old, be prepared to hear: Sorry, you opted out when you were young.

Life is a bitch, What goes around, comes around. You know, KARMA.

 

[Rustic]

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

Well, who pays for the public libraries? Public roads? Public schools?
Public parks?

Obviously, taxes of some illiterates supports libraries. Taxes of some who don't drive support building and maintenance of roads. Taxes of some who don't have children pays for schools. Taxes of some who never venture outside pays for parks.

Healthcare is different only that - unlike the above examples - everybody needs it and that it is more expensive. If you want it and/or need it, you pay for it either out of your own pocket, on the spot, or through your taxes.

See that's the problem, people that will never use it and never want to use it will be forced into it. That is why the concept of paying into a pool is so immoral.
Money is fungible, so people will be paying for things they absolutely disagree with every fiber of their being. By the way any type of insurance/socialize medicine is not healthcare… LOL

What and when is NEVER?

Sure, a person in his/her twenties/thirties is reluctant to pay for something that they don't get right now, but if they are lucky to live as long as those whose health care they are so reluctant to contribute to, they will be beneficiary of the common decency they resist and declare immoral now,

Why not make it an opt in? any type of insurance/socialized medicine should be an opt in, you know voluntary... otherwise it's legalized extortior.

Sure, make it an "opt in", but keep a record of it.

When the time comes, when you are old, be prepared to hear: Sorry, you opted out when you were young.

Life is a bitch, What goes around, comes around. You know, KARMA.

I'm not gonna join the collective just because the "village" told me to do so… Why not make your own success it's more gratifying and lasting. I have been self-employed for 20+ years and debt free for 20+ years. I don't think I need the collective to make a life for me.
There's more to life than the collective, you know, like freedom and individuality - that makes life worth living.
You speak of karma, leaching and depending off the collective is bad karma most definitely.