Single payer system within 7 years

[Political Junky]

Thanks to the republican assholes who voted to repeal Obamacare. They can't even appear before their constituents .. those that do get booed.
The Senate will start from scratch, canning the House bill.
Yes, thanks to the Alt-Right we'll have single payer in 7 years or less.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Thanks to the republican assholes who voted to repeal Obamacare. They can't even appear before their constituents .. those that do get booed.
The Senate will start from scratch, canning the House bill.
Yes, thanks to the Alt-Right we'll have single payer in 7 years or less.

Same thing you people were saying when DumBama got elected.


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[Mac1958]

If we end up with true Single Payer within a few years, it won't difficult to point at this very time, right here, as the reason.

We were promised for EIGHT YEARS that the GOP had a better approach, and it turned out they were lying all along.
.

 

[JoeB131]

If we end up with true Single Payer within a few years, it won't difficult to point at this very time, right here, as the reason.

We were promised for EIGHT YEARS that the GOP had a better approach, and it turned out they were lying all along.
.

NO, they weren't lying.

It's just that their definition of "better" means that Insurance CEO's can buy all the Dressage Horses they want.

 

[Dragonlady]

On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer predicts America will have single-payer health care within 7 years

The recent passage of a tweak on Obamacare by the GOP is viewed with disdain by pretty much everyone, just like when the Dims passed Obamacare and were rounded up and thrown out of office.

According to some, however, this will only lead to a single payer in a very short time.

The GOP acted like a bunch of Dims yesterday as they tweaked, not repealed, Obamacare. They were not even very sure what was in the bill, Nancy Pelosi style. They did not even wait for a CBO analysis of what exactly they were voting for. Then they all went to the White House to celebrate like a bunch of retards. Of course, the main objective in Washington is simply to "get things done" that work 100%, 100% of the time for 100% of the population. This is nothing short of a socialist mentality. And since socialism is nothing but a never ending quest for the unattainable, the drum beat will continue for a single payer system

Kraut is a hack.

The left will continue to say we need single-payer, which is just socialist medicine.

1. This makes no sense because we are in too much debt to afford single-payer
2. Bringing thousands of refugees here that will be first in line will make it even more unaffordable
3. Too many baby-boomers will be entering retirement in the next 10 years to make it sustainable

Bullshit. Eliminating the administration costs (1/3 of every health care dollar) will reduce costs substantially. Eliminating pre-approvals makes treatment cheaper and allows doctors more freedom to treat patients.

Other countries manage to give quality health care to ALL of their citizens and not just a few.

 

[frigidweirdo]

On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer predicts America will have single-payer health care within 7 years

The recent passage of a tweak on Obamacare by the GOP is viewed with disdain by pretty much everyone, just like when the Dims passed Obamacare and were rounded up and thrown out of office.

According to some, however, this will only lead to a single payer in a very short time.

The GOP acted like a bunch of Dims yesterday as they tweaked, not repealed, Obamacare. They were not even very sure what was in the bill, Nancy Pelosi style. They did not even wait for a CBO analysis of what exactly they were voting for. Then they all went to the White House to celebrate like a bunch of retards. Of course, the main objective in Washington is simply to "get things done" that work 100%, 100% of the time for 100% of the population. This is nothing short of a socialist mentality. And since socialism is nothing but a never ending quest for the unattainable, the drum beat will continue for a single payer system

A system where everyone gets healthcare at an affordable price should be essential for a government.

 

[frigidweirdo]

On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer predicts America will have single-payer health care within 7 years

The recent passage of a tweak on Obamacare by the GOP is viewed with disdain by pretty much everyone, just like when the Dims passed Obamacare and were rounded up and thrown out of office.

According to some, however, this will only lead to a single payer in a very short time.

The GOP acted like a bunch of Dims yesterday as they tweaked, not repealed, Obamacare. They were not even very sure what was in the bill, Nancy Pelosi style. They did not even wait for a CBO analysis of what exactly they were voting for. Then they all went to the White House to celebrate like a bunch of retards. Of course, the main objective in Washington is simply to "get things done" that work 100%, 100% of the time for 100% of the population. This is nothing short of a socialist mentality. And since socialism is nothing but a never ending quest for the unattainable, the drum beat will continue for a single payer system

Kraut is a hack.

The left will continue to say we need single-payer, which is just socialist medicine.

1. This makes no sense because we are in too much debt to afford single-payer
2. Bringing thousands of refugees here that will be first in line will make it even more unaffordable
3. Too many baby-boomers will be entering retirement in the next 10 years to make it sustainable

Bullshit. Eliminating the administration costs (1/3 of every health care dollar) will reduce costs substantially. Eliminating pre-approvals makes treatment cheaper and allows doctors more freedom to treat patients.

Other countries manage to give quality health care to ALL of their citizens and not just a few.

7% of healthcare spending goes on Insurance companies, which are, quite frankly, a waste of space, time, and mostly money.

 

[Rustic]

If we end up with true Single Payer within a few years, it won't difficult to point at this very time, right here, as the reason.

We were promised for EIGHT YEARS that the GOP had a better approach, and it turned out they were lying all along.
.

No doubt single payer will be the last nail in the coffin of this country… Fucked

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Starting at 10:06, that woman doesn't sound satisfied with the Canadian system.

Who cares. Canadians aren't saying, "you know what we need? We need Cigna to come in here and tell us we can't have treatment after we've paid them!"

Who cares.

That woman's mother who lost both legs thanks to the year plus delay in her treatment.

 

[Rustic]

Do you want to wait in line? single player is all about that… Fact

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer predicts America will have single-payer health care within 7 years

The recent passage of a tweak on Obamacare by the GOP is viewed with disdain by pretty much everyone, just like when the Dims passed Obamacare and were rounded up and thrown out of office.

According to some, however, this will only lead to a single payer in a very short time.

The GOP acted like a bunch of Dims yesterday as they tweaked, not repealed, Obamacare. They were not even very sure what was in the bill, Nancy Pelosi style. They did not even wait for a CBO analysis of what exactly they were voting for. Then they all went to the White House to celebrate like a bunch of retards. Of course, the main objective in Washington is simply to "get things done" that work 100%, 100% of the time for 100% of the population. This is nothing short of a socialist mentality. And since socialism is nothing but a never ending quest for the unattainable, the drum beat will continue for a single payer system

Kraut is a hack.

The left will continue to say we need single-payer, which is just socialist medicine.

1. This makes no sense because we are in too much debt to afford single-payer
2. Bringing thousands of refugees here that will be first in line will make it even more unaffordable
3. Too many baby-boomers will be entering retirement in the next 10 years to make it sustainable

Bullshit. Eliminating the administration costs (1/3 of every health care dollar) will reduce costs substantially. Eliminating pre-approvals makes treatment cheaper and allows doctors more freedom to treat patients.

Other countries manage to give quality health care to ALL of their citizens and not just a few.

Other countries manage to give quality health care to ALL of their citizens and not just a few.

It's easy to spend half as much per capita on healthcare.
Those other countries do it by having half the doctors, half the hospital beds, providing half the services.

 

[CowboyTed]

Medicare is a single payer system,

If it is good enough for people over 65, it should be good for all,

Should be? What if it is not? Assuming it is not the perfect system for all, (crazy thought I know), what choices will they have?

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

 

[CowboyTed]

Do you want to wait in line? single player is all about that… Fact

Then buy Private Insurance... No one stops you doing that in single payer...

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Once single-payer is here, we'll all get to see how the VA system works, where appointments are made five months in advance and you're left waiting in a long line.

Never had an issue when I've used the VA... but never mind. You have your trope and you are sticking with it.

Some veterans still wait months for medical care

some-veterans-still-wait-months-medical-care

 

[healthmyths]

Medicare is a single payer system,

If it is good enough for people over 65, it should be good for all,

Technically Medicare does NOT pay a single claim!
Here are the "payers" as the payers get money from Medicare and the "payers" pay the claims!

What is a MAC and what do they do?
A Medicare Administrative Contractor (MAC) is a private health care insurer that has been awarded a geographic jurisdiction to process Medicare Part A and Part B (A/B) medical claims or Durable Medical Equipment (DME) claims for Medicare Fee-For-Service (FFS) beneficiaries.
CMS relies on a network of MACs to serve as the primary operational contact between the Medicare FFS program and the health care providers enrolled in the program. MACs are multi-state, regional contractors responsible for administering both Medicare Part A and Medicare Part B claims.
MACs perform many activities including:

• Process Medicare FFS claims
• Make and account for Medicare FFS payments
• Enroll providers in the Medicare FFS program
• Handle provider reimbursement services and audit institutional provider cost reports
• Handle redetermination requests (1st stage appeals process)
• Respond to provider inquiries
• Educate providers about Medicare FFS billing requirements
• Establish local coverage determinations (LCD’s)
• Review medical records for selected claims
• Coordinate with CMS and other FFS contractors

Section 911 of the Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement, and Modernization Act (MMA) of 2003 directed CMS to replace the Part A Fiscal Intermediaries (FIs) and Part B carriers with MACs. CMS procures all MAC contracts according to the Federal Acquisition Regulation. Various elements of the Agency’s original strategy for implementing Section 911 of the MMA evolved over the years. Learn more about the strategy in the Archives.

Currently there are 12 A/B MACs and 4 DME MACs in the program that process Medicare FFS claims for nearly 70% of the total Medicare beneficiary population, or 37.5 million Medicare FFS beneficiaries. The MACs serve more than 1.5 million health care providers enrolled in the Medicare FFS program. Collectively, the MACs process more than 1.2 billion Medicare FFS claims annually, 210 million Part A claims and more than 1 billion Part B claims, and paid $367 billion in Medicare benefits.

What is a MAC - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

So once again ignorance of how health care works is at play.
Finally WHY is there a need for Single Payer ?
There are truly less then 5 million people that truly WANT and NEED health insurance that are either too young for Medicare, don't qualify for Medicaid, aren't part
of an employer health insurance plan, or can't afford private health insurance.
Here are the FACTS!

 

[Rustic]

Do you want to wait in line? single player is all about that… Fact

Then buy Private Insurance... No one stops you doing that in single payer...

Single payer is a tax on everybody whether you use it or not… No one should be paying for anything they are not using for to be right.
Paying into a pool is morally wrong

 

[CowboyTed]

On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer predicts America will have single-payer health care within 7 years

The recent passage of a tweak on Obamacare by the GOP is viewed with disdain by pretty much everyone, just like when the Dims passed Obamacare and were rounded up and thrown out of office.

According to some, however, this will only lead to a single payer in a very short time.

The GOP acted like a bunch of Dims yesterday as they tweaked, not repealed, Obamacare. They were not even very sure what was in the bill, Nancy Pelosi style. They did not even wait for a CBO analysis of what exactly they were voting for. Then they all went to the White House to celebrate like a bunch of retards. Of course, the main objective in Washington is simply to "get things done" that work 100%, 100% of the time for 100% of the population. This is nothing short of a socialist mentality. And since socialism is nothing but a never ending quest for the unattainable, the drum beat will continue for a single payer system

Kraut is a hack.

The left will continue to say we need single-payer, which is just socialist medicine.

1. This makes no sense because we are in too much debt to afford single-payer
2. Bringing thousands of refugees here that will be first in line will make it even more unaffordable
3. Too many baby-boomers will be entering retirement in the next 10 years to make it sustainable

Bullshit. Eliminating the administration costs (1/3 of every health care dollar) will reduce costs substantially. Eliminating pre-approvals makes treatment cheaper and allows doctors more freedom to treat patients.

Other countries manage to give quality health care to ALL of their citizens and not just a few.

Other countries manage to give quality health care to ALL of their citizens and not just a few.

It's easy to spend half as much per capita on healthcare.
Those other countries do it by having half the doctors, half the hospital beds, providing half the services.

That is complete bullshit... The WHO and Commonwealth Fund both rate these other systems better than the US while being far cheaper....
Amazing what you can achieve when 20% off the top doesn't go to private admin, marketing and profit...

You stated half the doctors:
Countries Compared by Health > Physicians > Per 1,000 people. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

US at 52nd... Nearly all the EU countries are ahead of US..

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer predicts America will have single-payer health care within 7 years

The recent passage of a tweak on Obamacare by the GOP is viewed with disdain by pretty much everyone, just like when the Dims passed Obamacare and were rounded up and thrown out of office.

According to some, however, this will only lead to a single payer in a very short time.

The GOP acted like a bunch of Dims yesterday as they tweaked, not repealed, Obamacare. They were not even very sure what was in the bill, Nancy Pelosi style. They did not even wait for a CBO analysis of what exactly they were voting for. Then they all went to the White House to celebrate like a bunch of retards. Of course, the main objective in Washington is simply to "get things done" that work 100%, 100% of the time for 100% of the population. This is nothing short of a socialist mentality. And since socialism is nothing but a never ending quest for the unattainable, the drum beat will continue for a single payer system

Kraut is a hack.

The left will continue to say we need single-payer, which is just socialist medicine.

1. This makes no sense because we are in too much debt to afford single-payer
2. Bringing thousands of refugees here that will be first in line will make it even more unaffordable
3. Too many baby-boomers will be entering retirement in the next 10 years to make it sustainable

Bullshit. Eliminating the administration costs (1/3 of every health care dollar) will reduce costs substantially. Eliminating pre-approvals makes treatment cheaper and allows doctors more freedom to treat patients.

Other countries manage to give quality health care to ALL of their citizens and not just a few.

Other countries manage to give quality health care to ALL of their citizens and not just a few.

It's easy to spend half as much per capita on healthcare.
Those other countries do it by having half the doctors, half the hospital beds, providing half the services.

That is complete bullshit... The WHO and Commonwealth Fund both rate these other systems better than the US while being far cheaper....
Amazing what you can achieve when 20% off the top doesn't go to private admin, marketing and profit...

You stated half the doctors:
Countries Compared by Health > Physicians > Per 1,000 people. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

US at 52nd... Nearly all the EU countries are ahead of US..

As long as you survive the absurdly long lines, lack of modern equipment and no new drugs, those other systems are hunky dory.

 

[Rustic]

Medicare is a single payer system,

If it is good enough for people over 65, it should be good for all,

Should be? What if it is not? Assuming it is not the perfect system for all, (crazy thought I know), what choices will they have?

Lads,

I have been saying this since I am blue in the face... Why not actually look at what many European countries have done....

Nearly all the EU countries have a single payer system in place... This offers plastic seats, waiting times on elective procedures (i.e hip replacement), little choice of doctor.... Basic plan with no frills.... France has more frills and other countries (Ireland) has less... The national Insurance pays for private care for GPs with money coming out of your pocket depending on your earning.

On top of that:
You can buy private insurance which gives you direct access to private hospitals, full choice of doctor, little to no Wait times.... Private room in Hospitals... The Public hospitals are bigger and have more specialities and are better if anything goes wrong, private are good for routine stuff... This cost is very manageable at approx $100 a month...
They have a risk equalisation so everyone (barring penalties for lapse) pays the same if you are 26 or 90, man or woman... The Insurance companies can only discount you for 5 years with pre-existing condition (for that particular illness), people usually never lapse and can move companies easily...
This is better and cheaper than the present US system without being perfect...

Who pays for the single-payer system… The people that want nothing to do with it, that's who. Fuck that

 

[Rustic]

Do you want to wait in line? single player is all about that… Fact

Then buy Private Insurance... No one stops you doing that in single payer...

You progressives keep single payer to yourselfs, leave the rest of us out of it…