So I recently got a FOID Card.

[JoeB131]

Yup, just think, it is easier to vote in a US national election than it is to vote for a Minecraft server.

Maybe government is so screwed up it should be closed up.

What do you think?

I think this is the most retarded thing you've said in your life.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here's the problem with that. We've tried that. We lock up 2 million people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole. We have 100 million with some kind of police record. The prison industrial complex you pine for has ruined millions of lives.

Sensible precautions are not cowardice, it's prudence. The insanity of letting people like Joker Holmes, Adam Lanza, Robert Crimo, etc. have access to the kind of firepower we reserve for soldiers is pure madness.

We've tried that. We lock up 2 million people.

And then libs whine, "The crime rate is dropping, why do we have so many locked up?"

The insanity of letting people like Joker Holmes, Adam Lanza, Robert Crimo, etc. have access to the kind of firepower

Or letting Darrell Brooks have access to a car.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Except his racist travel ban made things worse. 400,000 people flooded in from China between the time that we realized Covid was a thing and Trump imposed the travel ban. That meant thousands of panicked people rushing home to their families.

Racism wasn't a pandemic plan.



Yeah, like those Thugs at Sandy Hook, Stoneman High, Uvalde, yo!

400,000 people flooded in from China between the time that we realized Covid was a thing and Trump imposed the travel ban.

More would have been better, eh?

Yeah, like those Thugs at Sandy Hook, Stoneman High, Uvalde, yo!

No, I'm thinking more like the criminal yoots in our inner cities

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Racism wasn't a pandemic plan.

The China virus doesn't recognize skin color.

 

[westwall]

I think this is the most retarded thing you've said in your life.

Why? It's true. Government is broken. Best to get rid of it and start over with people who aren't corrupt.

 

[MarathonMike]

Not that I actually want to buy a gun... but I just wanted to see how easy it was to get.

Because I've heard the usual mewling from the Ammosexuals on this board screaming about how Illinois has the "Strictest gun laws in the nation!" and I wanted to see how strict they were.

I mean, they couldn't have been that strict if Robert Crimo AKA "Awake the Rapper" AKA the Highland Park shooter, was able to get one, and mow down seven people just trying to enjoy a nice parade. So I was curious.

So here's what happened.

I filled out a form.
I paid $11.00.
30 days later, I got my FOID Card, which means I can go into any store I want and buy a gun.

Now, obviously, I have no criminal record, am an honorably discharged veteran and have never been treated for a mental illness, so there's no reason why they SHOULD have denied me.

But man, I can't imagine they did a very thorough check for $11.00. I mean it must have cost at least $2.00 to make and mail the card.

Now I compare that to when I applied for my current job in 2020, or when I got my home loan in 2021. Those actually WERE Thorough background checks. They even found discrepancies that I wasn't aware of (and quickly got cleared up.) I should point out that my job happened because a manager there recommended me, and the bank that gave me my home loan had been doing business with me for 20 years. So neither was dealing with a stranger, but they STILL did the work.

.

You are operating under the false assumption that people who want to kill other people with guns buy their guns legally. That is ridiculous. You are talking about MURDERERS yet you think they are going to be Joe Good Citizen and file the proper paperwork and submit to background checks? Fer Criss Sakes dude.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Except his racist travel ban made things worse. 400,000 people flooded in from China between the time that we realized Covid was a thing and Trump imposed the travel ban. That meant thousands of panicked people rushing home to their families.

Racism wasn't a pandemic plan.



Yeah, like those Thugs at Sandy Hook, Stoneman High, Uvalde, yo!

Two of three of those thugs are DEAD! The other will be when he gets the needle.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The Germans already do this…

Really? You're citing Germany as an example that the United States should follow?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Nor is owning a gun.

The Second Amendment is about Militias.

Every mention of the 2nd Amendment by the Founders and Statesmen of the day reinforces the right of the people to bear arms.

ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ."
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."

". the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; ."
Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence . from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that . it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; . "
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8

 

[JoeB131]

And then libs whine, "The crime rate is dropping, why do we have so many locked up?"

Because that had nothing to do with locking people up. The crime rate started dropping in the 1990's because the birth rate started dropping in the 1970's. All the Boomers who were doing young dumbass weren't doing young dumbass anymore when they started hitting their 40's.

Or letting Darrell Brooks have access to a car.

Well, it would have been nice if Brooks had gotten mental health treatment, but he'll probably just end up in jail for the rest of his life.

Why? It's true. Government is broken. Best to get rid of it and start over with people who aren't corrupt.

Government works just fine. In fact, it's testament to how well government works that it took Trump 3 years to truly fuck things up.

 

[JoeB131]

Really? You're citing Germany as an example that the United States should follow?

Uh, yeah, dummy, the Germany of today, absolutely.

You see, being an ignorant Mormon (But I repeat myself), you probably never learned the problem with Germany before WWII was not gun control. There were a shitload of guns in Germany after WWI when the Kaiser's Army fell apart and all those guys went home with their guns.

That followed the Weimar Republic's attempts to impose gun control laws, and various political factions (Nazis, Communists, Socialists, Monarchists) having gun battles in the streets. There were about half a dozen "Putsches" to try to overthrow the government, including the notorious Beer Hall Putsch involving Hitler and Ludendorff.

When the Nazis got into power, they REPEALLED the gun laws the Weimar Government put into place. They actually saw gun ownership as a sign of Aryan Manliness (sound familiar?) And contrary to all the Ammosexual babbling about how we needs our guns to protect us from an oppressive government, those heavily Armed Germans never rose up against Hitler. They fought to the last old man and little boy against the allies.

AFTER the war, the Allies confiscated all the privately owned guns in Germany. They hung a few Nazi Dead-enders, too.

When Germany reformed as the FRG, they came up with sensible gun laws. You can own a gun, but ONLY after you've been thoroughly vetted by the government. As a result, you don't have gang shootings, you don't have crazy people shooting up schools, and you don't have the guy who shoots his wife because she burned the bratwurst.

 

[JoeB131]

You are operating under the false assumption that people who want to kill other people with guns buy their guns legally. That is ridiculous. You are talking about MURDERERS yet you think they are going to be Joe Good Citizen and file the proper paperwork and submit to background checks? Fer Criss Sakes dude.

Let's review, shall we?

Ramos - got his gun legally.
Crimo - got his gun legally.
Cruz - Got his gun legally.
Lanza - His mother got her guns legally.
Joker Holmes - Got his gun legally.


Now, yeah, the professional criminal isn't going to want a gun that can be traced back to him. But the vast majority of gun deaths are not professional criminals, they are domestic violence that got out of hand, suicides, and the occassional crazy person who loses his shit. Gun Control WILL keep guns away from THOSE people.

Then the police can concentrate on the crooks.

 

[westwall]

Uh, yeah, dummy, the Germany of today, absolutely.

You see, being an ignorant Mormon (But I repeat myself), you probably never learned the problem with Germany before WWII was not gun control. There were a shitload of guns in Germany after WWI when the Kaiser's Army fell apart and all those guys went home with their guns.

That followed the Weimar Republic's attempts to impose gun control laws, and various political factions (Nazis, Communists, Socialists, Monarchists) having gun battles in the streets. There were about half a dozen "Putsches" to try to overthrow the government, including the notorious Beer Hall Putsch involving Hitler and Ludendorff.

When the Nazis got into power, they REPEALLED the gun laws the Weimar Government put into place. They actually saw gun ownership as a sign of Aryan Manliness (sound familiar?) And contrary to all the Ammosexual babbling about how we needs our guns to protect us from an oppressive government, those heavily Armed Germans never rose up against Hitler. They fought to the last old man and little boy against the allies.

AFTER the war, the Allies confiscated all the privately owned guns in Germany. They hung a few Nazi Dead-enders, too.

When Germany reformed as the FRG, they came up with sensible gun laws. You can own a gun, but ONLY after you've been thoroughly vetted by the government. As a result, you don't have gang shootings, you don't have crazy people shooting up schools, and you don't have the guy who shoots his wife because she burned the bratwurst.

No, they only repealed the laws for Nazi Party members.

You really should stop lying.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because that had nothing to do with locking people up. The crime rate started dropping in the 1990's because the birth rate started dropping in the 1970's. All the Boomers who were doing young dumbass weren't doing young dumbass anymore when they started hitting their 40's.



Well, it would have been nice if Brooks had gotten mental health treatment, but he'll probably just end up in jail for the rest of his life.




Government works just fine. In fact, it's testament to how well government works that it took Trump 3 years to truly fuck things up.

Because that had nothing to do with locking people up. The crime rate started dropping in the 1990's because the birth rate started dropping in the 1970's.

And because the criminals in jail couldn't commit more crimes.

Well, it would have been nice if Brooks had gotten mental health treatment, but he'll probably just end up in jail for the rest of his life.

Ford should be sued for selling him his weapon.

Government works just fine. In fact, it's testament to how well government works that it took Trump 3 years to truly fuck things up.

Biden fucked up the border in 5 minutes.

 

[JoeB131]

No, they only repealed the laws for Nazi Party members.

You really should stop lying.

You should really start reading...

Then you'd know that the Nazis didn't practice gun control, they encouraged gun ownership for Germans.

Biden fucked up the border in 5 minutes.

No, what was fucked up was letting asylum cases pile up for four years, hoping they'd go away.

 

[marvin martian]

Really, because it seems to me most of those deaths were because Trump let the disease run rampant.

Another Republican fuckup fixed by a Democrat.

Nope. Trump developed the vaccine. Biden let 700,000 Americans die while he fought the invisible MAGA monster.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. Trump developed the vaccine. Biden let 700,000 Americans die while he fought the invisible MAGA monster.

trump didn't develop squat. Pfizer and Morderna did.

Then Trump fucked up the distribution plan, and Biden had to fix that.

Then all you MAGAts refused to take your shots, and kept spreading the disease.

 

[marvin martian]

trump didn't develop squat. Pfizer and Morderna did.

Then Trump fucked up the distribution plan, and Biden had to fix that.

Then all you MAGAts refused to take your shots, and kept spreading the disease.

Thanks for reminding me of another Biden lie that killed around 300,000 Americans.

How many people did you infect and subsequently kill while you were running around thinking you had "immunity"?

 

[Flash]

trump didn't develop squat. Pfizer and Morderna did.

Then Trump fucked up the distribution plan, and Biden had to fix that.

Then all you MAGAts refused to take your shots, and kept spreading the disease.

You dumbass Moon Bat.

Trump stopped all the bureaucratic bullshit with Operation Warpspeed or else it would have taken years for FDA approval. He also used Federal resources to distribute the vaccine. He put a four star general in charge of that.

Pull your Moon Bat head out of your Libtard ass. You are embarrassing yourself once again. Better yet just go take your TDS meds and lie down and take a nap. You will feel better when you wake up.

 

[Auld Phart]

All those well regulated militia members in Uvalde, in Charleston, in Sandy Hook, etc.