So...Trump’s now going after legal immigrants.

[Thinker101]

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

Then why this thread? Why Trump's policy?

I'm genuinely confused now.

Well, first of all, the thread is over a year old, some troll necro’d it. Second, I think penalizing immigrants who ARE WORKING for utilizing small amounts of aid is just hateful. If they were entirely reliant on the welfare, That would be different.

Sure...so stealing just a little is just fine?

Who is stealing? Many pay taxes. Are American citizens stealing from immigrants? Hmmmm

Sigh, another brilliant liberal.

 

[Kondor3]

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

Then why this thread? Why Trump's policy?

I'm genuinely confused now.

Well, first of all, the thread is over a year old, some troll necro’d it. Second, I think penalizing immigrants who ARE WORKING for utilizing small amounts of aid is just hateful. If they were entirely reliant on the welfare, That would be different.

Sure...so stealing just a little is just fine?

Who is stealing? Many pay taxes. Are American citizens stealing from immigrants? Hmmmm

Ask to be let in... start sucking on the State Teat... get sent home... it's only fair...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What a piece of trash he is.

Naw, I think YOU are the pos. How many indigent foreigners have you taken in? Fed? Clothed? Or otherwise cared for?

Imo it should be a federal crime for ANY FOREIGNER to receive aid of any kind other than life saving EMERGENCY care.

He is a total piece of trash.

 

[Coyote]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.



rm Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

In the discussion of legal immigrants they do pay the same taxes as anyone else in this country.

Legal immigrants have limited access to social programs but within 5 years residence then they will have more access to more programs

Ultimately they are no different than anyone else in regards to welfare
They pay taxes and by 5 years are eligible for welfare programs

granted that prior to the 5 year mark they have very limited access to social programs

with some federal benefit programs, it can be gotten if the recipient has worked 40 quarters with a valid visa.
This also applies to refugees, asylum seekers, and victims of human trafficking or domestic violence have the same eligibility requirements for federal benefits

Otherwise illegal do not have access to these benefits
yet they do pay taxes

Their children certainly do. When was the last time you read of a child of an illegal starve to death?

Their children go to our schools they likely are are not paying anything into, on our food stamp or similar programs, get Medicaid which some working Americans can't even get for their children.

If you make an average living, you are going to get everything that was deducted from your paychecks your entire life and more if you live an average lifespan; that is outside your state and local government deductions which provide you with services you used all your life.

And they pay taxes. You want their kids to starve?

 

[bodecea]

I accept your moral argument. Now I have a question for you. Would it or would it not be better for our economy to get rid of those people?

If they are not contributing to America's economy, which they are not as they are all on welfare then they are draining your welfare system funded by taxpayers money, so from an economic viewpoint removing them would SAVE you money that you could put to a better more worthy use.

Maybe get rid of all those military members, E-5 and below with families that have to be on food stamps too?

 

[Coyote]

What a piece of trash he is.

Naw, I think YOU are the pos. How many indigent foreigners have you taken in? Fed? Clothed? Or otherwise cared for?

Imo it should be a federal crime for ANY FOREIGNER to receive aid of any kind other than life saving EMERGENCY care.

He is a total piece of trash.

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[Ray From Cleveland]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.



rm Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

In the discussion of legal immigrants they do pay the same taxes as anyone else in this country.

Legal immigrants have limited access to social programs but within 5 years residence then they will have more access to more programs

Ultimately they are no different than anyone else in regards to welfare
They pay taxes and by 5 years are eligible for welfare programs

granted that prior to the 5 year mark they have very limited access to social programs

with some federal benefit programs, it can be gotten if the recipient has worked 40 quarters with a valid visa.
This also applies to refugees, asylum seekers, and victims of human trafficking or domestic violence have the same eligibility requirements for federal benefits

Otherwise illegal do not have access to these benefits
yet they do pay taxes

Their children certainly do. When was the last time you read of a child of an illegal starve to death?

Their children go to our schools they likely are are not paying anything into, on our food stamp or similar programs, get Medicaid which some working Americans can't even get for their children.

If you make an average living, you are going to get everything that was deducted from your paychecks your entire life and more if you live an average lifespan; that is outside your state and local government deductions which provide you with services you used all your life.

And they pay taxes. You want their kids to starve?

Food assistance is funded through income taxes, not Medicare, SS, state or local taxes. If they are not able to feed their kids, they are not contributing to income taxes at all.

Maybe if their kids are going hungry because we are not providing for them, they will pack their bags and kids and go home.

 

[Confounding]

Maybe get rid of all those military members, E-5 and below with families that have to be on food stamps too?

I'm glad you agree that soldiers should be paid more.

 

[WillowTree]

Bay county has 4000 homeless children. Why don’t we give a shit about American kids?

 

[Nova78]

Kick there worthless asses out, also anybody else who is a leech .

 

[WillowTree]

Coyote keeps saying this is a year old but if you follow this link that she provided


Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation



It show what date?



It shows Newsweek dated

Tue, Aug 13, 2019


So somebody is lying here!

 

[WillowTree]

cause you know what? Trump said nothing about legal immigrants a year ago.

 

[Polishprince]

I accept your moral argument. Now I have a question for you. Would it or would it not be better for our economy to get rid of those people?

If they are not contributing to America's economy, which they are not as they are all on welfare then they are draining your welfare system funded by taxpayers money, so from an economic viewpoint removing them would SAVE you money that you could put to a better more worthy use.

Maybe get rid of all those military members, E-5 and below with families that have to be on food stamps too?

If someone is of a low rank in the military, the commanding officers should not be allowing them to get married. Buck Privates and that really don't get paid enough to raise a family.

 

[Kilroy2]

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

In the discussion of legal immigrants they do pay the same taxes as anyone else in this country.

Legal immigrants have limited access to social programs but within 5 years residence then they will have more access to more programs

Ultimately they are no different than anyone else in regards to welfare
They pay taxes and by 5 years are eligible for welfare programs

granted that prior to the 5 year mark they have very limited access to social programs

with some federal benefit programs, it can be gotten if the recipient has worked 40 quarters with a valid visa.
This also applies to refugees, asylum seekers, and victims of human trafficking or domestic violence have the same eligibility requirements for federal benefits

Otherwise illegal do not have access to these benefits
yet they do pay taxes

Their children certainly do. When was the last time you read of a child of an illegal starve to death?

Their children go to our schools they likely are are not paying anything into, on our food stamp or similar programs, get Medicaid which some working Americans can't even get for their children.

If you make an average living, you are going to get everything that was deducted from your paychecks your entire life and more if you live an average lifespan; that is outside your state and local government deductions which provide you with services you used all your life.

Like I said they still pay taxes

If a child is hungry , I do not have a problem with feeding them and if they are sick I do not have any problem helping them get well

in school they say the pledge of allegiance "one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

what does all mean is it just for all Americans or for all people

This Democrat is saying what all democrats believe. America is for the entire world to come and go unchecked and unregulated from and receive benefits paid for by the American people

 

[Kilroy2]

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

In the discussion of legal immigrants they do pay the same taxes as anyone else in this country.

Legal immigrants have limited access to social programs but within 5 years residence then they will have more access to more programs

Ultimately they are no different than anyone else in regards to welfare
They pay taxes and by 5 years are eligible for welfare programs

granted that prior to the 5 year mark they have very limited access to social programs

with some federal benefit programs, it can be gotten if the recipient has worked 40 quarters with a valid visa.
This also applies to refugees, asylum seekers, and victims of human trafficking or domestic violence have the same eligibility requirements for federal benefits

Otherwise illegal do not have access to these benefits
yet they do pay taxes

Their children certainly do. When was the last time you read of a child of an illegal starve to death?

Their children go to our schools they likely are are not paying anything into, on our food stamp or similar programs, get Medicaid which some working Americans can't even get for their children.

If you make an average living, you are going to get everything that was deducted from your paychecks your entire life and more if you live an average lifespan; that is outside your state and local government deductions which provide you with services you used all your life.

Like I said they still pay taxes

If a child is hungry , I do not have a problem with feeding them and if they are sick I do not have any problem helping them get well

in school they say the pledge of allegiance "one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

what does all mean is it just for all Americans or for all people

This Democrat is saying what all democrats believe. America is for the entire world to come and go unchecked and unregulated from and receive benefits paid for by the American people

This Democrat is saying what all democrats believe. America is for the entire world to come and go unchecked and unregulated from and receive benefits paid for by the American people

No I did not say that but you did so I am assuming you speak for all republicans

Between 1900 and 1920 the nation admitted over 14.5 million immigrants

In 1917 the government got there act together and started limiting and controlling the flow of immigrants

 

[OKTexas]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.

Immigrants who rely completely on welfare programs or long-term Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

More commie lies! Participation in the CHIPS program was one on the exclusions to the new rule, as were refugees and people seeking asylum. And the rule was made in accordance with the LAW, it's not something arbitrary dreamed up by the administration. Why do you hate the rule of law?

.

Dude. This thread is a year old. Are you thinking of the new rules recently proposed?

Yep, I guess I am. Didn't notice the date on the OP.

.

 

[Kilroy2]

I accept your moral argument. Now I have a question for you. Would it or would it not be better for our economy to get rid of those people?

Illegal aliens are required and do pay taxes

They do jobs that most legal will not do or to lazy to do and even when some people are on welfare, Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and others also do well and make money and thus improve the economy

My question to you is should the Statue of Liberty be dismantled

still an oxford study that looks at the effects of immigration in the U.S. between 1850 and 1920 — aka the Age of Mass Migration — and its effect on economy prosperity today. And they found that the counties with more historical immigration have overall higher incomes, less poverty and less unemployment even today

Trump family being a prime example who came from Germany with very little money but look where they are at now

Democrats justified aiding and abetting foreign nationals who violate our borders at will by saying exploiting them helps the economy. They hate Americans and say we are to lazy to do those jobs under the table for slave wages. Democrats also hire illegal foreign nationals to Dodge taxes they pass on American citizens.

Democrats whine about foreign election interference while they fight to have undocumented foreign nationals in the census and enable them to vote with motor voter laws.

If Democrat tells you that foreign nationals do vote for anti American globalist Democrats who aid and abet them, they are either totally ignorant or lying to your face. You are even worse if you believe one.

Well we do know that Trump companies do hire illegals and last I looked he was a republican since 2011.

Most illegals don't tell legit employers they are illegal , you know.

It is the employers responsibility to ask in fact it is the law

Since 1986, U.S. employers have been required to confirm the work authorization of each new hire at the time of hire and to keep records to show compliance with this rule

Form I-9

The law says that as an employer you have to confirm that every new hire is authorized to work

 

[OKTexas]

What a piece of trash he is.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

Currently, immigrants who rely on, or are expected to rely on, the government for more than half of their income are considered “public charges” and can be banned from entering the country or deported, even if they’re otherwise eligible for extended residency.



rm Medicaid benefits are typically considered public charges, but the Trump administration wants to extend those guidelines to include immigrants who use public housing, subsidies to help pay for health insurance, food stamps, income tax credits, the Children's Health Insurance Program and non-emergency uses of Medicaid, according to a White House draft obtained by The Washington Post.

A recent study by The New England Journal of Medicine found that the changes “could have important consequences for access to medical care and the health of millions of immigrants and their families.” An estimated 1 million noncitizens would lose their insurance, the study found.

Why do they completely rely on welfare why don't they have jobs and pay for themselves? Are they just lazy and expect American taxpayers to fund them and their family?

They don’t completely rely on welfare Lucy. Read the article.

In the discussion of legal immigrants they do pay the same taxes as anyone else in this country.

Legal immigrants have limited access to social programs but within 5 years residence then they will have more access to more programs

Ultimately they are no different than anyone else in regards to welfare
They pay taxes and by 5 years are eligible for welfare programs

granted that prior to the 5 year mark they have very limited access to social programs

with some federal benefit programs, it can be gotten if the recipient has worked 40 quarters with a valid visa.
This also applies to refugees, asylum seekers, and victims of human trafficking or domestic violence have the same eligibility requirements for federal benefits

Otherwise illegal do not have access to these benefits
yet they do pay taxes

Their children certainly do. When was the last time you read of a child of an illegal starve to death?

Their children go to our schools they likely are are not paying anything into, on our food stamp or similar programs, get Medicaid which some working Americans can't even get for their children.

If you make an average living, you are going to get everything that was deducted from your paychecks your entire life and more if you live an average lifespan; that is outside your state and local government deductions which provide you with services you used all your life.

And they pay taxes. You want their kids to starve?

Just call it a post birth abortion, then you commies can be kewl with it. LMAO

.

 

[Kilroy2]

I accept your moral argument. Now I have a question for you. Would it or would it not be better for our economy to get rid of those people?

Illegal aliens are required and do pay taxes

They do jobs that most legal will not do or to lazy to do and even when some people are on welfare, Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and others also do well and make money and thus improve the economy

My question to you is should the Statue of Liberty be dismantled

still an oxford study that looks at the effects of immigration in the U.S. between 1850 and 1920 — aka the Age of Mass Migration — and its effect on economy prosperity today. And they found that the counties with more historical immigration have overall higher incomes, less poverty and less unemployment even today

Trump family being a prime example who came from Germany with very little money but look where they are at now

Democrats justified aiding and abetting foreign nationals who violate our borders at will by saying exploiting them helps the economy. They hate Americans and say we are to lazy to do those jobs under the table for slave wages. Democrats also hire illegal foreign nationals to Dodge taxes they pass on American citizens.

Democrats whine about foreign election interference while they fight to have undocumented foreign nationals in the census and enable them to vote with motor voter laws.

If Democrat tells you that foreign nationals do vote for anti American globalist Democrats who aid and abet them, they are either totally ignorant or lying to your face. You are even worse if you believe one.

Well we do know that Trump companies do hire illegals and last I looked he was a republican since 2011.

People who hire illegal immigrants aid and abet them should be punished.

Is that how you justify aiding and abetting foreign nationals violating our porters at will?

Trumps companies hired some in 2011 so everyone in the world is welcome to come and go unchecked and unregulated at will and receive benefits paid for by Americans.

Then accordingly Trump companies that hired illegals should be punished

 

[Kilroy2]

I accept your moral argument. Now I have a question for you. Would it or would it not be better for our economy to get rid of those people?

Illegal aliens are required and do pay taxes

They do jobs that most legal will not do or to lazy to do and even when some people are on welfare, Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and others also do well and make money and thus improve the economy

My question to you is should the Statue of Liberty be dismantled

still an oxford study that looks at the effects of immigration in the U.S. between 1850 and 1920 — aka the Age of Mass Migration — and its effect on economy prosperity today. And they found that the counties with more historical immigration have overall higher incomes, less poverty and less unemployment even today

Trump family being a prime example who came from Germany with very little money but look where they are at now

Illegal aliens are required and do pay taxes

How much do they pay in payroll taxes?

Who knows

Its pretty much controlled by the employer who withholds the tax from pay and then they the employer pays a payroll tax