Solar Power Destroys Miles and Miles of Desert

[Judicial review]

I think building a city or road in the desert is far more destructive. Should we do that, yes we should!

if you can get the city access to clean water or water period I'd agree! Better have damn good air conditioners and water fountains everywhere.

Solar can not be sustained without water. Yet somehow Solar is finding plenty of water in the desert, which according to you is a wasteland?

You silly ass, why don't you just link us a credible source that states you need a lot of water for solar?

Okay, how about the Final Environmental Impact Statement from the World's Largest Solar Power Plant, Ivanpah. It is located in the Mojave desert. I will use the Bureau of Land Management and the actual EIS. Is that good or should I use your source Old Crock, wikipedia!

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/b...r.19048.File.dat/1-CDCA-Ivanpah-Final-EIS.pdf

The facilities would require a water source to support operations, including process water consisting of make-up water for the steam system and wash water for the heliostats, and potable water for domestic water needs. Groundwater would be supplied from one of two wells that would be constructed at the northwest corner of Ivanpah 1, just outside the perimeter fence but within the construction logistics area. Each of the three power blocks would be connected to the groundwater wells by underground water pipelines. The applicant estimates project water consumption would not exceed a maximum of 100 acre-feet per year for all three solar plants combined, which would primarily be used to provide water for washing heliostats (mirrors) and to replace boiler feed water blow-down. The quality of groundwater would be improved using a treatment system for meeting the requirements of the boiler make-up and mirror wash water. Water treatment equipment would consist of activated carbon filters, de-ionization media, and a mixed-bed polisher. Each power plant would have a 250,000 gallon raw water storage tank. Approximately 100,000 gallons would be usable for plant process needs and 150,000 gallons would be reserved for fire protection. Demineralized water would be stored in a 25,000-gallon demineralized water storage tank. Boiler feedwater make-up water would be stored in another 25,000-gallon tank. Fire Protection The fire protection system would be designed to protect personnel and limit property loss and plant downtime in the event of a fire. The primary source of fire protection water would be the 250,000 gallon raw

Damn, Ivanpah requires two wells and its own water treatment facility which is being powered by electricity supplied by Fossil Fuel.

Old Crock, I am going to start calling you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

You know that desert water is limited, right? The grape farm you referenced was due to the rain california got in the last few days, which just so happened to be perfect timing for grape harvesting season. Have you been paying attention to the California droughts? It was just on the news today. Did you hear about the water usage ban in all of CA? Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news. hey! It's all good. there's no drought. Or you want desert everywhere. That is happening. California is becoming more and more desert.

Just give it up. You are looking like a fool who doesn't have the balls to let it go.

 

[longknife]

Well, that is more than we ever got out of the Bush boys buddy, Enron.

 

[elektra]

I think building a city or road in the desert is far more destructive. Should we do that, yes we should!

if you can get the city access to clean water or water period I'd agree! Better have damn good air conditioners and water fountains everywhere.

Solar can not be sustained without water. Yet somehow Solar is finding plenty of water in the desert, which according to you is a wasteland?

You silly ass, why don't you just link us a credible source that states you need a lot of water for solar?

Okay, how about the Final Environmental Impact Statement from the World's Largest Solar Power Plant, Ivanpah. It is located in the Mojave desert. I will use the Bureau of Land Management and the actual EIS. Is that good or should I use your source Old Crock, wikipedia!

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/b...r.19048.File.dat/1-CDCA-Ivanpah-Final-EIS.pdf

The facilities would require a water source to support operations, including process water consisting of make-up water for the steam system and wash water for the heliostats, and potable water for domestic water needs. Groundwater would be supplied from one of two wells that would be constructed at the northwest corner of Ivanpah 1, just outside the perimeter fence but within the construction logistics area. Each of the three power blocks would be connected to the groundwater wells by underground water pipelines. The applicant estimates project water consumption would not exceed a maximum of 100 acre-feet per year for all three solar plants combined, which would primarily be used to provide water for washing heliostats (mirrors) and to replace boiler feed water blow-down. The quality of groundwater would be improved using a treatment system for meeting the requirements of the boiler make-up and mirror wash water. Water treatment equipment would consist of activated carbon filters, de-ionization media, and a mixed-bed polisher. Each power plant would have a 250,000 gallon raw water storage tank. Approximately 100,000 gallons would be usable for plant process needs and 150,000 gallons would be reserved for fire protection. Demineralized water would be stored in a 25,000-gallon demineralized water storage tank. Boiler feedwater make-up water would be stored in another 25,000-gallon tank. Fire Protection The fire protection system would be designed to protect personnel and limit property loss and plant downtime in the event of a fire. The primary source of fire protection water would be the 250,000 gallon raw

Damn, Ivanpah requires two wells and its own water treatment facility which is being powered by electricity supplied by Fossil Fuel.

Old Crock, I am going to start calling you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

You know that desert water is limited, right? The grape farm you referenced was due to the rain california got in the last few days, which just so happened to be perfect timing for grape harvesting season. Have you been paying attention to the California droughts? It was just on the news today. Did you hear about the water usage ban in all of CA? Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news. hey! It's all good. there's no drought. Or you want desert everywhere. That is happening. California is becoming more and more desert.

Just give it up. You are looking like a fool who doesn't have the balls to let it go.

Wow, you really took my posts personal, was it the, "opposite world" thing, so sorry.

Maybe I should call you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

Yes, things are so bad, as you say, "Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news." Last I checked plants will die if you water them with SALT WATER! California farmers go to great lengths to rinse salt from the soil, salt from the evaporation of fresh water.

Grapes, I did say Grapes, not to be confused with your name, "Strawberrry (Judicial review), I could not bait someone better than if I walked into the woods with honey all over me to attract the bears, seriously, you want to talk about grapes, I would think you would of had your fill of me by now, "Strawberry". You did say you finished my thread? Yes?

Anyhow, "Strawberry", I can let the stupidity of your, "grape" comments go, I have a great california grape thread coming, so here I will at least try to get back on topic, I will start the grape thread after the official, "Crush" report for 2014 is released in March.

So, in closing, "Strawberry", thanks for all the extra views, it helps with trophy points and all, ha! ha! (little private joke between me and "strawberry").

p.s. grape farmers do not like rain, it literally destroys the grapes, this time of year most the grapes are from chile.

 

[Judicial review]

if you can get the city access to clean water or water period I'd agree! Better have damn good air conditioners and water fountains everywhere.

Solar can not be sustained without water. Yet somehow Solar is finding plenty of water in the desert, which according to you is a wasteland?

You silly ass, why don't you just link us a credible source that states you need a lot of water for solar?

Okay, how about the Final Environmental Impact Statement from the World's Largest Solar Power Plant, Ivanpah. It is located in the Mojave desert. I will use the Bureau of Land Management and the actual EIS. Is that good or should I use your source Old Crock, wikipedia!

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/b...r.19048.File.dat/1-CDCA-Ivanpah-Final-EIS.pdf

The facilities would require a water source to support operations, including process water consisting of make-up water for the steam system and wash water for the heliostats, and potable water for domestic water needs. Groundwater would be supplied from one of two wells that would be constructed at the northwest corner of Ivanpah 1, just outside the perimeter fence but within the construction logistics area. Each of the three power blocks would be connected to the groundwater wells by underground water pipelines. The applicant estimates project water consumption would not exceed a maximum of 100 acre-feet per year for all three solar plants combined, which would primarily be used to provide water for washing heliostats (mirrors) and to replace boiler feed water blow-down. The quality of groundwater would be improved using a treatment system for meeting the requirements of the boiler make-up and mirror wash water. Water treatment equipment would consist of activated carbon filters, de-ionization media, and a mixed-bed polisher. Each power plant would have a 250,000 gallon raw water storage tank. Approximately 100,000 gallons would be usable for plant process needs and 150,000 gallons would be reserved for fire protection. Demineralized water would be stored in a 25,000-gallon demineralized water storage tank. Boiler feedwater make-up water would be stored in another 25,000-gallon tank. Fire Protection The fire protection system would be designed to protect personnel and limit property loss and plant downtime in the event of a fire. The primary source of fire protection water would be the 250,000 gallon raw

Damn, Ivanpah requires two wells and its own water treatment facility which is being powered by electricity supplied by Fossil Fuel.

Old Crock, I am going to start calling you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

You know that desert water is limited, right? The grape farm you referenced was due to the rain california got in the last few days, which just so happened to be perfect timing for grape harvesting season. Have you been paying attention to the California droughts? It was just on the news today. Did you hear about the water usage ban in all of CA? Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news. hey! It's all good. there's no drought. Or you want desert everywhere. That is happening. California is becoming more and more desert.

Just give it up. You are looking like a fool who doesn't have the balls to let it go.

Wow, you really took my posts personal, was it the, "opposite world" thing, so sorry.

Maybe I should call you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

Yes, things are so bad, as you say, "Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news." Last I checked plants will die if you water them with SALT WATER! California farmers go to great lengths to rinse salt from the soil, salt from the evaporation of fresh water.

Grapes, I did say Grapes, not to be confused with your name, "Strawberrry (Judicial review), I could not bait someone better than if I walked into the woods with honey all over me to attract the bears, seriously, you want to talk about grapes, I would think you would of had your fill of me by now, "Strawberry". You did say you finished my thread? Yes?

Anyhow, "Strawberry", I can let the stupidity of your, "grape" comments go, I have a great california grape thread coming, so here I will at least try to get back on topic, I will start the grape thread after the official, "Crush" report for 2014 is released in March.

So, in closing, "Strawberry", thanks for all the extra views, it helps with trophy points and all, ha! ha! (little private joke between me and "strawberry").

p.s. grape farmers do not like rain, it literally destroys the grapes, this time of year most the grapes are from chile.

Wow! I got absolutely NOTHING not a damn fucking thing out of that entire horrible, worthless, fruity post of yours except the FACT that you like fruit. I guess my only question that's left is, are you queer?

 

[elektra]

Solar can not be sustained without water. Yet somehow Solar is finding plenty of water in the desert, which according to you is a wasteland?

You silly ass, why don't you just link us a credible source that states you need a lot of water for solar?

Okay, how about the Final Environmental Impact Statement from the World's Largest Solar Power Plant, Ivanpah. It is located in the Mojave desert. I will use the Bureau of Land Management and the actual EIS. Is that good or should I use your source Old Crock, wikipedia!

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/b...r.19048.File.dat/1-CDCA-Ivanpah-Final-EIS.pdf

The facilities would require a water source to support operations, including process water consisting of make-up water for the steam system and wash water for the heliostats, and potable water for domestic water needs. Groundwater would be supplied from one of two wells that would be constructed at the northwest corner of Ivanpah 1, just outside the perimeter fence but within the construction logistics area. Each of the three power blocks would be connected to the groundwater wells by underground water pipelines. The applicant estimates project water consumption would not exceed a maximum of 100 acre-feet per year for all three solar plants combined, which would primarily be used to provide water for washing heliostats (mirrors) and to replace boiler feed water blow-down. The quality of groundwater would be improved using a treatment system for meeting the requirements of the boiler make-up and mirror wash water. Water treatment equipment would consist of activated carbon filters, de-ionization media, and a mixed-bed polisher. Each power plant would have a 250,000 gallon raw water storage tank. Approximately 100,000 gallons would be usable for plant process needs and 150,000 gallons would be reserved for fire protection. Demineralized water would be stored in a 25,000-gallon demineralized water storage tank. Boiler feedwater make-up water would be stored in another 25,000-gallon tank. Fire Protection The fire protection system would be designed to protect personnel and limit property loss and plant downtime in the event of a fire. The primary source of fire protection water would be the 250,000 gallon raw

Damn, Ivanpah requires two wells and its own water treatment facility which is being powered by electricity supplied by Fossil Fuel.

Old Crock, I am going to start calling you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

You know that desert water is limited, right? The grape farm you referenced was due to the rain california got in the last few days, which just so happened to be perfect timing for grape harvesting season. Have you been paying attention to the California droughts? It was just on the news today. Did you hear about the water usage ban in all of CA? Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news. hey! It's all good. there's no drought. Or you want desert everywhere. That is happening. California is becoming more and more desert.

Just give it up. You are looking like a fool who doesn't have the balls to let it go.

Wow, you really took my posts personal, was it the, "opposite world" thing, so sorry.

Maybe I should call you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

Yes, things are so bad, as you say, "Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news." Last I checked plants will die if you water them with SALT WATER! California farmers go to great lengths to rinse salt from the soil, salt from the evaporation of fresh water.

Grapes, I did say Grapes, not to be confused with your name, "Strawberrry (Judicial review), I could not bait someone better than if I walked into the woods with honey all over me to attract the bears, seriously, you want to talk about grapes, I would think you would of had your fill of me by now, "Strawberry". You did say you finished my thread? Yes?

Anyhow, "Strawberry", I can let the stupidity of your, "grape" comments go, I have a great california grape thread coming, so here I will at least try to get back on topic, I will start the grape thread after the official, "Crush" report for 2014 is released in March.

So, in closing, "Strawberry", thanks for all the extra views, it helps with trophy points and all, ha! ha! (little private joke between me and "strawberry").

p.s. grape farmers do not like rain, it literally destroys the grapes, this time of year most the grapes are from chile.

Wow! I got absolutely NOTHING not a damn fucking thing out of that entire horrible, worthless, fruity post of yours except the FACT that you like fruit. I guess my only question that's left is, are you queer?

Oh, I thought I stated Strawberry, as in Low Hanging Fruit. I did not link for, sorry.

Low Hanging Fruit

low-hanging fruit - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

low-hanging fruit

Also found in: Dictionary/thesaurus, Financial.
low-hanging fruit
Fig. the easiest person(s) to sell something to, to convince of something, or to fool. (From the much older easy pickings.) People who alwayswant to be the first to buy something, they're low-hanging fruit for this product. Don't be satisfied with the low-hanging fruit. Go after the hard-sell types.
See also: fruit

Strawberries are a low hanging fruit, see the pick, "Strawberry"

 

[Billy_Bob]

Well, that is more than we ever got out of the Bush boys buddy, Enron.

Enron, Kenneth Lay, and Bill Clinton.

Last I checked, California, was also Democrat controlled.

you mean moron and idiot socialist controlled...

 

[elektra]

Enron, Kenneth Lay, and Bill Clinton.

Last I checked, California, was also Democrat controlled.

you mean moron and idiot socialist controlled...

I said that, I was simply politically correct.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Solar can not be sustained without water. Yet somehow Solar is finding plenty of water in the desert, which according to you is a wasteland?

You silly ass, why don't you just link us a credible source that states you need a lot of water for solar?

Okay, how about the Final Environmental Impact Statement from the World's Largest Solar Power Plant, Ivanpah. It is located in the Mojave desert. I will use the Bureau of Land Management and the actual EIS. Is that good or should I use your source Old Crock, wikipedia!

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/b...r.19048.File.dat/1-CDCA-Ivanpah-Final-EIS.pdf

The facilities would require a water source to support operations, including process water consisting of make-up water for the steam system and wash water for the heliostats, and potable water for domestic water needs. Groundwater would be supplied from one of two wells that would be constructed at the northwest corner of Ivanpah 1, just outside the perimeter fence but within the construction logistics area. Each of the three power blocks would be connected to the groundwater wells by underground water pipelines. The applicant estimates project water consumption would not exceed a maximum of 100 acre-feet per year for all three solar plants combined, which would primarily be used to provide water for washing heliostats (mirrors) and to replace boiler feed water blow-down. The quality of groundwater would be improved using a treatment system for meeting the requirements of the boiler make-up and mirror wash water. Water treatment equipment would consist of activated carbon filters, de-ionization media, and a mixed-bed polisher. Each power plant would have a 250,000 gallon raw water storage tank. Approximately 100,000 gallons would be usable for plant process needs and 150,000 gallons would be reserved for fire protection. Demineralized water would be stored in a 25,000-gallon demineralized water storage tank. Boiler feedwater make-up water would be stored in another 25,000-gallon tank. Fire Protection The fire protection system would be designed to protect personnel and limit property loss and plant downtime in the event of a fire. The primary source of fire protection water would be the 250,000 gallon raw

Damn, Ivanpah requires two wells and its own water treatment facility which is being powered by electricity supplied by Fossil Fuel.

Old Crock, I am going to start calling you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

You know that desert water is limited, right? The grape farm you referenced was due to the rain california got in the last few days, which just so happened to be perfect timing for grape harvesting season. Have you been paying attention to the California droughts? It was just on the news today. Did you hear about the water usage ban in all of CA? Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news. hey! It's all good. there's no drought. Or you want desert everywhere. That is happening. California is becoming more and more desert.

Just give it up. You are looking like a fool who doesn't have the balls to let it go.

Wow, you really took my posts personal, was it the, "opposite world" thing, so sorry.

Maybe I should call you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

Yes, things are so bad, as you say, "Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news." Last I checked plants will die if you water them with SALT WATER! California farmers go to great lengths to rinse salt from the soil, salt from the evaporation of fresh water.

Grapes, I did say Grapes, not to be confused with your name, "Strawberrry (Judicial review), I could not bait someone better than if I walked into the woods with honey all over me to attract the bears, seriously, you want to talk about grapes, I would think you would of had your fill of me by now, "Strawberry". You did say you finished my thread? Yes?

Anyhow, "Strawberry", I can let the stupidity of your, "grape" comments go, I have a great california grape thread coming, so here I will at least try to get back on topic, I will start the grape thread after the official, "Crush" report for 2014 is released in March.

So, in closing, "Strawberry", thanks for all the extra views, it helps with trophy points and all, ha! ha! (little private joke between me and "strawberry").

p.s. grape farmers do not like rain, it literally destroys the grapes, this time of year most the grapes are from chile.

Wow! I got absolutely NOTHING not a damn fucking thing out of that entire horrible, worthless, fruity post of yours except the FACT that you like fruit. I guess my only question that's left is, are you queer?

Because you do not understand what power generation requires. Calling someone stupid from a point of ignorance is.... ignorant!

 

[CultureCitizen]

12 hours while all other Solar plants get at best 7 hours of production? Where do you come up with 12 hours of operation?
33% less than the theoretical maximum is close?

Spain has determined that Solar is too expensive, produces too little, and resulted in negative job growth.

On the average the sun shines for 12 hours, but since it describes an arch I used the integral of sin , which yields (2/3.14) /2) = 31.5%
Internal combustion motors use only about 45% of the energy they are supplied, so yes , 33% below is quite close.
Well, you can disregard their costs, but why would they lie?
If they operate the plant and their costs are above the price they will loose money.
Regardless the price for kwh is still high and a simple solar panel with a couple of batteries can match the cost ( but you dont get electricity 24/7 still ).

Spain is in a serious recesion and the oil has hit a 10 year low. It is logic they stopped investing in solar.
Solar is mature enough, it's the storage technology whats holding it back , so we'll have to wait until we have better batteries.

 

[CultureCitizen]

I think building a city or road in the desert is far more destructive. Should we do that, yes we should!

if you can get the city access to clean water or water period I'd agree! Better have damn good air conditioners and water fountains everywhere.

Solar can not be sustained without water. Yet somehow Solar is finding plenty of water in the desert, which according to you is a wasteland?

well
Nestlé is finding it and taking it no matter how rare it is to find on the surface.
Addicting Info 8211 8220 Stealing 8221 Water From Drought-Ridden California Desert Thanks Nestle.


Oh! and look at this,

11 trillion gallons needed to replace California water losses

... and don't forget about facking, fracking requires tons and tons of water.

 

[rdean]

lol,

a DESERT IS A FUCKING WASTE LAND. Most of the desert solar is built on isn't useable.

I've come to the conclusion that both parties in this country are full of people that are truly sick in the head.

Apparently someone thinks birds live in the desert.

German power prices negative over weekend 8211 German Energy Transition

Germany Reached Nearly 75 Renewable Power Use On Sunday CleanTechnica

 

[elektra]

12 hours while all other Solar plants get at best 7 hours of production? Where do you come up with 12 hours of operation?
33% less than the theoretical maximum is close?

Spain has determined that Solar is too expensive, produces too little, and resulted in negative job growth.

On the average the sun shines for 12 hours, but since it describes an arch I used the integral of sin , which yields (2/3.14) /2) = 31.5%
Internal combustion motors use only about 45% of the energy they are supplied, so yes , 33% below is quite close.
Well, you can disregard their costs, but why would they lie?
If they operate the plant and their costs are above the price they will loose money.
Regardless the price for kwh is still high and a simple solar panel with a couple of batteries can match the cost ( but you dont get electricity 24/7 still ).

Spain is in a serious recesion and the oil has hit a 10 year low. It is logic they stopped investing in solar.
Solar is mature enough, it's the storage technology whats holding it back , so we'll have to wait until we have better batteries.

Yes, of course, you are so wrong, but that does not matter, Spain's crisis preceded the fall in the price of gasoline, the subsideis and tariffs were discontinued long before the fall in the price of gas.

As far as the idea of yours, is that solar simply needs battery in ridiculous as well, at no point in the day does Solar ever supply more power than we need, there is never excess.

So your idea is to drive up the cost of all other forms of electricity and then force consumers to by solar and batteries?

Of course that ignores the fact that industry and commercial users will not have power.

It will be our homes that are saddled with the burden of expensive, solar.

Yes, in Spain, Solar caused the recession. They admitted as much while everyone else makes excuses.

 

[Judicial review]

You silly ass, why don't you just link us a credible source that states you need a lot of water for solar?

Okay, how about the Final Environmental Impact Statement from the World's Largest Solar Power Plant, Ivanpah. It is located in the Mojave desert. I will use the Bureau of Land Management and the actual EIS. Is that good or should I use your source Old Crock, wikipedia!

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/b...r.19048.File.dat/1-CDCA-Ivanpah-Final-EIS.pdf

The facilities would require a water source to support operations, including process water consisting of make-up water for the steam system and wash water for the heliostats, and potable water for domestic water needs. Groundwater would be supplied from one of two wells that would be constructed at the northwest corner of Ivanpah 1, just outside the perimeter fence but within the construction logistics area. Each of the three power blocks would be connected to the groundwater wells by underground water pipelines. The applicant estimates project water consumption would not exceed a maximum of 100 acre-feet per year for all three solar plants combined, which would primarily be used to provide water for washing heliostats (mirrors) and to replace boiler feed water blow-down. The quality of groundwater would be improved using a treatment system for meeting the requirements of the boiler make-up and mirror wash water. Water treatment equipment would consist of activated carbon filters, de-ionization media, and a mixed-bed polisher. Each power plant would have a 250,000 gallon raw water storage tank. Approximately 100,000 gallons would be usable for plant process needs and 150,000 gallons would be reserved for fire protection. Demineralized water would be stored in a 25,000-gallon demineralized water storage tank. Boiler feedwater make-up water would be stored in another 25,000-gallon tank. Fire Protection The fire protection system would be designed to protect personnel and limit property loss and plant downtime in the event of a fire. The primary source of fire protection water would be the 250,000 gallon raw

Damn, Ivanpah requires two wells and its own water treatment facility which is being powered by electricity supplied by Fossil Fuel.

Old Crock, I am going to start calling you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

You know that desert water is limited, right? The grape farm you referenced was due to the rain california got in the last few days, which just so happened to be perfect timing for grape harvesting season. Have you been paying attention to the California droughts? It was just on the news today. Did you hear about the water usage ban in all of CA? Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news. hey! It's all good. there's no drought. Or you want desert everywhere. That is happening. California is becoming more and more desert.

Just give it up. You are looking like a fool who doesn't have the balls to let it go.

Wow, you really took my posts personal, was it the, "opposite world" thing, so sorry.

Maybe I should call you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

Yes, things are so bad, as you say, "Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news." Last I checked plants will die if you water them with SALT WATER! California farmers go to great lengths to rinse salt from the soil, salt from the evaporation of fresh water.

Grapes, I did say Grapes, not to be confused with your name, "Strawberrry (Judicial review), I could not bait someone better than if I walked into the woods with honey all over me to attract the bears, seriously, you want to talk about grapes, I would think you would of had your fill of me by now, "Strawberry". You did say you finished my thread? Yes?

Anyhow, "Strawberry", I can let the stupidity of your, "grape" comments go, I have a great california grape thread coming, so here I will at least try to get back on topic, I will start the grape thread after the official, "Crush" report for 2014 is released in March.

So, in closing, "Strawberry", thanks for all the extra views, it helps with trophy points and all, ha! ha! (little private joke between me and "strawberry").

p.s. grape farmers do not like rain, it literally destroys the grapes, this time of year most the grapes are from chile.

Wow! I got absolutely NOTHING not a damn fucking thing out of that entire horrible, worthless, fruity post of yours except the FACT that you like fruit. I guess my only question that's left is, are you queer?

Because you do not understand what power generation requires. Calling someone stupid from a point of ignorance is.... ignorant!

Not talking about power generation.

 

[elektra]

Okay, how about the Final Environmental Impact Statement from the World's Largest Solar Power Plant, Ivanpah. It is located in the Mojave desert. I will use the Bureau of Land Management and the actual EIS. Is that good or should I use your source Old Crock, wikipedia!

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/b...r.19048.File.dat/1-CDCA-Ivanpah-Final-EIS.pdf

Damn, Ivanpah requires two wells and its own water treatment facility which is being powered by electricity supplied by Fossil Fuel.

Old Crock, I am going to start calling you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

You know that desert water is limited, right? The grape farm you referenced was due to the rain california got in the last few days, which just so happened to be perfect timing for grape harvesting season. Have you been paying attention to the California droughts? It was just on the news today. Did you hear about the water usage ban in all of CA? Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news. hey! It's all good. there's no drought. Or you want desert everywhere. That is happening. California is becoming more and more desert.

Just give it up. You are looking like a fool who doesn't have the balls to let it go.

Wow, you really took my posts personal, was it the, "opposite world" thing, so sorry.

Maybe I should call you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

Yes, things are so bad, as you say, "Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news." Last I checked plants will die if you water them with SALT WATER! California farmers go to great lengths to rinse salt from the soil, salt from the evaporation of fresh water.

Grapes, I did say Grapes, not to be confused with your name, "Strawberrry (Judicial review), I could not bait someone better than if I walked into the woods with honey all over me to attract the bears, seriously, you want to talk about grapes, I would think you would of had your fill of me by now, "Strawberry". You did say you finished my thread? Yes?

Anyhow, "Strawberry", I can let the stupidity of your, "grape" comments go, I have a great california grape thread coming, so here I will at least try to get back on topic, I will start the grape thread after the official, "Crush" report for 2014 is released in March.

So, in closing, "Strawberry", thanks for all the extra views, it helps with trophy points and all, ha! ha! (little private joke between me and "strawberry").

p.s. grape farmers do not like rain, it literally destroys the grapes, this time of year most the grapes are from chile.

Wow! I got absolutely NOTHING not a damn fucking thing out of that entire horrible, worthless, fruity post of yours except the FACT that you like fruit. I guess my only question that's left is, are you queer?

Because you do not understand what power generation requires. Calling someone stupid from a point of ignorance is.... ignorant!

Not talking about power generation.

Oh, hi, Strawberry, welcome back to my thread.

 

[CultureCitizen]

So your idea is to drive up the cost of all other forms of electricity and then force consumers to by solar and batteries?

Of course that ignores the fact that industry and commercial users will not have power.

It will be our homes that are saddled with the burden of expensive, solar.

Yes, in Spain, Solar caused the recession. They admitted as much while everyone else makes excuses.

Jajaja, no, I didn't say that !!!
Where did you get that stuff from ?

Ok. I use around 114 kwh per month
So by buying 2 solar panels which will yield about 64. kwh per month. I become energy independent.
Now , to the cost : 600 USD for the panels ( both )
My actual bill is near 13.5 USD per month so in 4 years I'll recover the cost.

So far so good, except I need to invest another 2400 USD for the batteries to have 24/7 electricity . So now It will take 19 years to recover the investment. Since the solar panel will have a usefull life of 20 years, at this point I'll have to buy another panel, so I am just at the break even price.

So as I said , the solar technology is ready. We still need to wait for cheaper batteries.

 

[Judicial review]

You know that desert water is limited, right? The grape farm you referenced was due to the rain california got in the last few days, which just so happened to be perfect timing for grape harvesting season. Have you been paying attention to the California droughts? It was just on the news today. Did you hear about the water usage ban in all of CA? Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news. hey! It's all good. there's no drought. Or you want desert everywhere. That is happening. California is becoming more and more desert.

Just give it up. You are looking like a fool who doesn't have the balls to let it go.

Wow, you really took my posts personal, was it the, "opposite world" thing, so sorry.

Maybe I should call you, "Strawberry" (low hanging fruit).

Yes, things are so bad, as you say, "Hear about the helicopters bringing in water to farmers from the pacific due to things being so dire. It's national news." Last I checked plants will die if you water them with SALT WATER! California farmers go to great lengths to rinse salt from the soil, salt from the evaporation of fresh water.

Grapes, I did say Grapes, not to be confused with your name, "Strawberrry (Judicial review), I could not bait someone better than if I walked into the woods with honey all over me to attract the bears, seriously, you want to talk about grapes, I would think you would of had your fill of me by now, "Strawberry". You did say you finished my thread? Yes?

Anyhow, "Strawberry", I can let the stupidity of your, "grape" comments go, I have a great california grape thread coming, so here I will at least try to get back on topic, I will start the grape thread after the official, "Crush" report for 2014 is released in March.

So, in closing, "Strawberry", thanks for all the extra views, it helps with trophy points and all, ha! ha! (little private joke between me and "strawberry").

p.s. grape farmers do not like rain, it literally destroys the grapes, this time of year most the grapes are from chile.

Wow! I got absolutely NOTHING not a damn fucking thing out of that entire horrible, worthless, fruity post of yours except the FACT that you like fruit. I guess my only question that's left is, are you queer?

Because you do not understand what power generation requires. Calling someone stupid from a point of ignorance is.... ignorant!

Not talking about power generation.

Oh, hi, Strawberry, welcome back to my thread.

What do you want?

 

[kiwiman127]

California's desert is fast becoming a Solar Wasteland, what was once pristine desert habitat is being replaced with Industrial Scale Solar.

Thanks to Obama and the State Government of California.

California solar projects plan undergoing major overhaul - SFGate

With billions of dollars in federal stimulus money in hand, the Obama administration set out five years ago on a grand experiment in the California desert.

The goal: Open public lands to renewable-energy development to wean the nation from fossil fuels.

The results haven't been pretty, a fact the administration has tacitly acknowledged by devising a new plan, expected to be released this month, to find better places to put industrial-scale solar farms in the California desert.

The solar plants were rushed through the environmental approval process. Miles of unspoiled desert lands were scraped and bulldozed to make way for sprawling arrays of solar panels. Desert tortoises required mass relocation, and kit fox burrows were destroyed. Surprise troves of American Indian artifacts found in the Mojave Desert were moved to a San Diego warehouse, where they remain.


And once it was built, the largest solar plant of its kind in the world - the Ivanpah installation in the Mojave - began igniting birds and monarch butterflies that fly through intensely concentrated, reflected sunbeams aimed at 40-story "power towers," according to a confidential report by federal wildlife officials.

Much is at stake. Several projects are proposed near the three big national parks of the California desert: a 23-square-mile wind and solar farm in the Silurian Valley near Death Valley; a 3,000-acre solar project at Soda Mountain near the Mojave National Preserve that would straddle a bighorn sheep corridor; and another project by BrightSource at Palen, near Joshua Tree NationalPark, that would be a bigger version of Ivanpah and be located in a bird migratory path.

Other conflicts are playing out elsewhere in the desert.

Brian Brown, fourth-generation owner of the China Ranch date farm, is one of the few residents of the Silurian Valley, a remote area at the southern end of Death Valley National Park that is the site of the proposed 15,000-acre wind and solar farm by the Spanish firm Iberdrola Renewables. The area is all but surrounded by federally protected wilderness and home to historic pioneer trails.

The Silurian Valley is "all big, long vistas and gorgeous purple and blue mountains," Brown said, views he believes will be destroyed by creating "a big industrial zone."

And all of this is just the beginning. We are forced to buy an expensive product literally created by the government.

I do not want Obama's and California Energy policy driving up the cost of food, which is what expensive Solar does in a state dependent on Electricity to pump water.

Destruction of the Desert and forced to pay more for food, while the Republicans created the EPA, now they need to create another Agency to protect the Environment from the Government

So elektra, do you get paid by the fossil fuel industry for starting all these anti-Green Energy threads or what?
And the fossil fuel industry hasn't created havoc to the landscape, water supply and skies of this Earth? I must of missed your thread on that subject.

 

[elektra]

So your idea is to drive up the cost of all other forms of electricity and then force consumers to by solar and batteries?

Of course that ignores the fact that industry and commercial users will not have power.

It will be our homes that are saddled with the burden of expensive, solar.

Yes, in Spain, Solar caused the recession. They admitted as much while everyone else makes excuses.

Jajaja, no, I didn't say that !!!
Where did you get that stuff from ?

Ok. I use around 114 kwh per month
So by buying 2 solar panels which will yield about 64. kwh per month. I become energy independent.
Now , to the cost : 600 USD for the panels ( both )
My actual bill is near 13.5 USD per month so in 4 years I'll recover the cost.

So far so good, except I need to invest another 2400 USD for the batteries to have 24/7 electricity . So now It will take 19 years to recover the investment. Since the solar panel will have a usefull life of 20 years, at this point I'll have to buy another panel, so I am just at the break even price.

So as I said , the solar technology is ready. We still need to wait for cheaper batteries.

California's desert is fast becoming a Solar Wasteland, what was once pristine desert habitat is being replaced with Industrial Scale Solar.

Thanks to Obama and the State Government of California.

California solar projects plan undergoing major overhaul - SFGate

With billions of dollars in federal stimulus money in hand, the Obama administration set out five years ago on a grand experiment in the California desert.

The goal: Open public lands to renewable-energy development to wean the nation from fossil fuels.

The results haven't been pretty, a fact the administration has tacitly acknowledged by devising a new plan, expected to be released this month, to find better places to put industrial-scale solar farms in the California desert.

The solar plants were rushed through the environmental approval process. Miles of unspoiled desert lands were scraped and bulldozed to make way for sprawling arrays of solar panels. Desert tortoises required mass relocation, and kit fox burrows were destroyed. Surprise troves of American Indian artifacts found in the Mojave Desert were moved to a San Diego warehouse, where they remain.


And once it was built, the largest solar plant of its kind in the world - the Ivanpah installation in the Mojave - began igniting birds and monarch butterflies that fly through intensely concentrated, reflected sunbeams aimed at 40-story "power towers," according to a confidential report by federal wildlife officials.

Much is at stake. Several projects are proposed near the three big national parks of the California desert: a 23-square-mile wind and solar farm in the Silurian Valley near Death Valley; a 3,000-acre solar project at Soda Mountain near the Mojave National Preserve that would straddle a bighorn sheep corridor; and another project by BrightSource at Palen, near Joshua Tree NationalPark, that would be a bigger version of Ivanpah and be located in a bird migratory path.

Other conflicts are playing out elsewhere in the desert.

Brian Brown, fourth-generation owner of the China Ranch date farm, is one of the few residents of the Silurian Valley, a remote area at the southern end of Death Valley National Park that is the site of the proposed 15,000-acre wind and solar farm by the Spanish firm Iberdrola Renewables. The area is all but surrounded by federally protected wilderness and home to historic pioneer trails.

The Silurian Valley is "all big, long vistas and gorgeous purple and blue mountains," Brown said, views he believes will be destroyed by creating "a big industrial zone."

And all of this is just the beginning. We are forced to buy an expensive product literally created by the government.

I do not want Obama's and California Energy policy driving up the cost of food, which is what expensive Solar does in a state dependent on Electricity to pump water.

Destruction of the Desert and forced to pay more for food, while the Republicans created the EPA, now they need to create another Agency to protect the Environment from the Government

So elektra, do you get paid by the fossil fuel industry for starting all these anti-Green Energy threads or what?
And the fossil fuel industry hasn't created havoc to the landscape, water supply and skies of this Earth? I must of missed your thread on that subject.

Do you get paid to support wind and solar?

So funny, so many people just can not accept the truth. You guys consume extreme amounts of oil to build the world's largest solar plants and act like solar grows magically on trees.

Solar is a huge step backwards, nothing consumes more.

 

[elektra]

So your idea is to drive up the cost of all other forms of electricity and then force consumers to by solar and batteries?

Of course that ignores the fact that industry and commercial users will not have power.

It will be our homes that are saddled with the burden of expensive, solar.

Yes, in Spain, Solar caused the recession. They admitted as much while everyone else makes excuses.

Jajaja, no, I didn't say that !!!
Where did you get that stuff from ?

Ok. I use around 114 kwh per month
So by buying 2 solar panels which will yield about 64. kwh per month. I become energy independent.
Now , to the cost : 600 USD for the panels ( both )
My actual bill is near 13.5 USD per month so in 4 years I'll recover the cost.

So far so good, except I need to invest another 2400 USD for the batteries to have 24/7 electricity . So now It will take 19 years to recover the investment. Since the solar panel will have a usefull life of 20 years, at this point I'll have to buy another panel, so I am just at the break even price.

So as I said , the solar technology is ready. We still need to wait for cheaper batteries.

Right.

You do realize this thread is about industry, not your backyard.

 

[MaryL]

Miles upon miles of useless desert being wasted by humans putting up solar panels or even all those useless power generating wind turbines. What we need instead is more coal or oil fired power plants making all that wonderful pollution we all adore so much.