Someone explain to me how Trump "failed" on Covid?

[Rigby5]

I am not a Trump supporter, but there is no basis for anyone being critical of how Trump handled covid-19 epidemic.

Clearly no one can blame Trump because the rest of the world got hit almost the same.

And obviously Fauci is wrong about "flattening the curve", social distancing, etc., because that can NEVER end an epidemic, never has, and never will. All flattening the curve does is make the epidemic last longer, which kills more people than if we ended it quickly.

The reason Fauci was wrong is that we were not testing everybody at first, and only tested those symptomatic.
So we did not realize as we now know, that 90% of those infected are asymptomatic.
And those 90% mean we were calculating infection fatality at 10 times higher than it really was.
It also meant over half the population had to be already inherently immune.
So then clearly herd immunity would have been a better choice, and saved about 150,000 lives, by ending it in March.

 

[Paul Motter]

He should have said:

People over 65 and those at high risk please stay home, wear masks if you go out and social distance. Everyone else, business as usual.

Shame on him for bowing to the media mob.

This was exactly what my wife and I have been saying since last March. Let the people far most likely to recover painlessly get it, and help the vulnerable elderly to shelter in place. No reason to draw down the economy at all. People forget how much fear-mongering we endured, and most likely it was all manufactured by the democrats who wanted (and have made it the central) campaign issue.

And by the way - Corona is all Biden ever talks about. What is he going to do as President when Corona is gone? Oh, that's right Kamala will President then, God help us.

 

[Paul Motter]

Here's a nice timeline.

Now, Trumpsters, you can disagree with all of this. You can call it "fake news". You can bitch and you can moan. You can lie. You can deflect. You can avoid. You can attack. You can ignore.

But now you can't say that you don't know what anyone is talking about. Your profound ignorance is no longer an excuse.

It took me about ten seconds to find. If you were REALLY curious, you could have found this yourself. You're welcome.

A detailed timeline of all the ways Trump failed to respond to the coronavirus

The federal coronavirus response shows a president dead set on avoiding responsibility for the pandemic.

www.vox.com

Here is a real timeline thru just March.

Thanks for the data dump, but I already consulted this to post what I said three hours ago - that Trump imposed his travel ban just 2 days after he got his "secret briefing" where he first learned how bad it was. He made the decision by consulting with the airlines who had been going to China, including the ones that decided just a day ear;lier to stop flying there.

There was NO DEMOCRAT - or another world leader - who beat Trump in making a travel ban, except for a few nations who share borders with China who did it a day earlier. Europe did not impose a travel ban until much later.

Furthermore, people who say his travel ban was not good enough are stupid. You cannot deny any American citizen access to the U.S. - that is in the Constitution. But he did impose a 14-day quarantine on them. Undoubtedly, if Pelosi, DeBlasio or any other Democrat had been in charge, they would have been telling people to go to China Town for Chinese New Year the following week - in fact THEY DID!!!!

 

[Nostra]

If you don't understand by now, maybe it'll finally sink into your thick skull on the night of November 3rd.

See ya then.

Give us your plan MarcATL

Use 9 months of 20/20 hindsight and 9 months of medical research into the virus and tell us exactly what you would have don back in Jan/Feb.

Be specific.

(this is where these libnut asswipes always run away and hide)

I note that this post made MarcATL turn into MarcAWOL.

 

[Orangecat]

He never had a unified and comprehensible message to the nation so he failed on the public face of his response.

My opinion differs from yours.

 

[Orangecat]

You "know" Trump's Covid response was a failure because the people who do your thinking told you to "know" it.

Check and mate.

 

[Orangecat]

Okie dokie Trumpster. Dittos.

You just got destroyed, son. Don't make it more obvious by being glib.

 

[Tuatara]

The democratic lies that Trump "failed on COVID" are nothing more than vague, unsupported personal attacks.

First - it is the Democrats holding up COVID relief checks, not Trump. There is currently a bill ready for Pelosi to sign to send us checks, but she will not sign it because it would make Trump look good, and she would rather see US suffering.

Second: The U.S. is currently in the #1 position in the world for economic recovery since COVID hit. Our post-pandemic GDP (gross domestic product) is the best in the world. That can only come from excellent economic management by the government in the face of a humanitarian crisis that CHINA is to blame for - not Trump.

Third: I keep hearing that "our COVID deaths are the worst in the world - worse than Europe." Another effing LIE! Our fatality rate is #9 in the world, not the worst. Italy, Germany, Spain and the UK are far worse. Furthermore, we had a system where every death that happened in 2020 was chalked up to COVID, no matter how people died. The truth is the average age of a recorded COVID fatality in the U.S. was a person over 70, with co-morbidities (other problems that also could have killed them). Take away New York alone and our numbers would be far better. Thanks, Cuomo.

Worst of all, the Democrats are purposely keeping the economy closed and citizens denied relief solely because they need to make Trump look as bad as possible to win the election. Is that the mentality you want in our leaders?

You need to provide documentation for your first 2 assertions. Sounds far fetched. As for you third assertion. You are flat out wrong. US is number 1 worldwide in COVID deaths'.

covid deaths worldwide - Google Search

 

[Nostra]

The democratic lies that Trump "failed on COVID" are nothing more than vague, unsupported personal attacks.

First - it is the Democrats holding up COVID relief checks, not Trump. There is currently a bill ready for Pelosi to sign to send us checks, but she will not sign it because it would make Trump look good, and she would rather see US suffering.

Second: The U.S. is currently in the #1 position in the world for economic recovery since COVID hit. Our post-pandemic GDP (gross domestic product) is the best in the world. That can only come from excellent economic management by the government in the face of a humanitarian crisis that CHINA is to blame for - not Trump.

Third: I keep hearing that "our COVID deaths are the worst in the world - worse than Europe." Another effing LIE! Our fatality rate is #9 in the world, not the worst. Italy, Germany, Spain and the UK are far worse. Furthermore, we had a system where every death that happened in 2020 was chalked up to COVID, no matter how people died. The truth is the average age of a recorded COVID fatality in the U.S. was a person over 70, with co-morbidities (other problems that also could have killed them). Take away New York alone and our numbers would be far better. Thanks, Cuomo.

Worst of all, the Democrats are purposely keeping the economy closed and citizens denied relief solely because they need to make Trump look as bad as possible to win the election. Is that the mentality you want in our leaders?

You need to provide documentation for your first 2 assertions. Sounds far fetched. As for you third assertion. You are flat out wrong. US is number 1 worldwide in COVID deaths'.

covid deaths worldwide - Google Search

What is the USA death rate compared to the EU countries with their Gubmint run healthcare?

 

[Tuatara]

What is the USA death rate compared to the EU countries with their Gubmint run healthcare?

There are currently 28 countries in the EU. If you want to know the comparisons of each country I suggest you do the research. You can start with the link I provided as it shows all the COVID stats around the world.

 

[Nostra]

What is the USA death rate compared to the EU countries with their Gubmint run healthcare?

There are currently 28 countries in the EU. If you want to know the comparisons of each country I suggest you do the research. You can start with the link I provided as it shows all the COVID stats around the world.

Ok Sport, here is a list.

Pull out what you think makes your casel


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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Global Deaths



Coronavirus (COVID-19) U.S. Deaths

Country	Deaths	Deaths / 1M pop	New Deaths	Tests	Estimated Cases	Confirmed Cases	Confirmed Case Fatality Rate	Confirmed Cases / 1M pop	Seasonal Flu Deaths1 (CDC/WHO 2017)
	1,060,462	-	-	-	-	36,394,156	-	-	-
United States	216,784	662.6	-	114,158,849	-	7,776,224	2.79%	23,768.3	40,905
Brazil	148,304	708.0	-	17,900,000	-	5,002,357	2.96%	23,881.1	16,910
India	105,554	78.0	-	83,465,975	-	6,835,655	1.54%	5,053.7	362,108
Mexico	82,726	655.6	+378	2,037,413	-	799,188	10.35%	6,333.2	6,075
United Kingdom	42,515	639.4	-	26,417,989	-	544,275	7.81%	8,185.9	13,879
Italy	36,061	596.7	-	12,069,402	-	333,940	10.80%	5,525.9	10,058
Peru	33,009	1,031.9	-	3,988,070	-	835,662	3.95%	26,123.2	9,212
Spain	32,562	696.9	-	13,689,776	-	872,276	3.73%	18,668.8	8,091
France	32,445	484.3	-	11,723,039	-	653,509	4.96%	9,755.7	9,199
Iran**	27,658	338.1	-	4,207,631	-	483,844	5.72%	5,914.9	3,156
Colombia	27,180	547.4	-	4,005,437	-	877,683	3.10%	17,677.9	2,527
Argentina	22,226	499.5	-	2,140,435	-	840,915	2.64%	18,899.3	7,156
Russia	21,865	151.3	-	48,700,000	-	1,248,619	1.75%	8,642.3	18,654
South Africa	17,248	298.5	-	4,318,514	-	685,155	2.52%	11,858.1	8,409
Chile	13,090	698.9	-	3,548,773	-	474,440	2.76%	25,331.6	2,235
Ecuador	11,743	687.4	-	455,122	-	143,531	8.18%	8,401.3	1,444
Indonesia	11,472	42.9	-	3,595,719	-	315,714	3.63%	1,179.5	59,453
Belgium	10,108	885.0	+16	3,490,833	-	137,868	7.33%	12,070.3	2,662
Germany	9,652	116.4	-	18,129,900	-	311,113	3.10%	3,751.6	16,876
Iraq	9,604	249.9	-	2,419,252	-	391,044	2.46%	10,174.5	8,113
Canada	9,541	257.5	-	7,825,602	-	173,123	5.51%	4,671.6	4,569
Turkey	8,609	104.6	-	11,160,946	-	329,138	2.62%	3,998.3	5,613
Bolivia	8,192	721.6	+36	310,905	-	137,706	5.95%	12,129.3	3,159
Pakistan	6,544	30.8	+9	3,761,389	-	316,934	2.06%	1,493.5	42,650
Netherlands	6,518	378.3	-	2,656,731	-	149,988	4.35%	8,704.5	2,312
Egypt	6,010	61.1	-	135,000	-	104,035	5.78%	1,057.0	22,843
Philippines	5,925	55.6	-	3,979,197	-	329,637	1.80%	3,090.8	18,065
Sweden	5,892	578.6	-	1,661,484	-	96,677	6.09%	9,493.8	1,541
Bangladesh	5,440	33.7	-	2,026,808	-	373,151	1.46%	2,312.6	36,590
Romania	5,203	267.2	-	2,568,071	-	142,570	3.65%	7,321.1	3,076
Saudi Arabia	4,947	146.8	-	6,828,117	-	337,711	1.46%	10,021.1	1,974
China*	4,634	3.3	-	160,000,000	-	85,500	5.42%	61.4	91,814
Ukraine	4,597	103.0	-	2,423,031	-	239,337	1.92%	5,363.6	1,622
Guatemala	3,335	200.9	-	347,374	-	95,704	3.48%	5,763.9	1,925
Poland	2,792	73.5	-	3,533,697	-	107,319	2.60%	2,825.8	4,119
Honduras	2,466	257.2	+19	190,387	-	81,016	3.04%	8,450.2	342
Panama	2,448	586.1	-	520,582	-	117,300	2.09%	28,083.2	275
Morocco	2,439	67.7	-	2,778,365	-	140,024	1.74%	3,886.4	8,641
Dominican Republic	2,159	203.2	-	502,680	-	116,148	1.86%	10,929.3	731
Switzerland	2,082	244.5	-	1,439,599	-	57,709	3.61%	6,776.1	1,342
Portugal	2,040	198.4	-	2,711,918	-	81,256	2.51%	7,902.9	2,020
Israel	1,824	205.3	-	3,832,435	-	281,481	0.65%	31,684.8	1,052
Ireland	1,816	374.2	-	1,271,317	-	39,584	4.59%	8,155.8	510
Algeria	1,771	41.9	-	-	-	52,520	3.37%	1,243.7	9,967
Kazakhstan	1,746	93.5	-	3,045,439	-	108,454	1.61%	5,810.9	1,448
Japan	1,605	12.7	-	2,218,653	-	86,543	1.85%	684.0	38,951
Afghanistan	1,469	39.5	-	113,020	-	39,548	3.71%	1,063.9	7,785
Moldova	1,406	396.5	-	302,666	-	58,794	2.39%	16,580.9	-
Ethiopia	1,255	12.7	-	1,321,164	-	80,895	1.55%	819.9	-
Nigeria	1,113	5.7	-	543,415	-	59,738	1.86%	305.0	43,493
Kyrgyzstan	1,069	163.9	-	276,522	-	48,097	2.22%	7,372.9	-
Costa Rica	1,024	204.8	-	245,115	-	83,497	1.23%	16,701.3	438
Oman	1,000	207.1	-	376,700	-	103,465	0.97%	21,423.6	244
Armenia	995	337.1	-	312,823	-	53,755	1.85%	18,211.1	320
Paraguay	989	142.2	-	296,536	-	46,435	2.13%	6,675.5	400
Bosnia and Herzegovina	908	273.2	-	253,264	-	29,075	3.12%	8,747.2	471
Australia	897	35.9	-	7,887,217	-	27,204	3.30%	1,088.5	2,960
Hungary	877	89.8	-	781,023	-	33,114	2.65%	3,389.8	750
Belarus	874	92.1	-	1,976,828	-	81,505	1.07%	8,592.7	179
Bulgaria	873	124.3	-	556,761	-	22,743	3.84%	3,237.8	1,047
El Salvador	873	134.6	-	413,036	-	29,737	2.94%	4,584.7	1,923
Sudan	836	19.7	-	-	-	13,668	6.12%	322.8	10,257
Austria	830	93.8	-	1,735,094	-	50,848	1.63%	5,747.5	624
Czechia	829	78.0	-	1,494,776	-	95,360	0.87%	8,974.5	1,505
North Macedonia	772	370.6	-	199,372	-	19,413	3.98%	9,319.9	83
Serbia	758	108.6	-	1,173,582	-	34,193	2.22%	4,897.2	874
Kenya	748	15.7	-	565,336	-	39,907	1.87%	839.0	11,842
Venezuela	671	20.8	-	1,969,847	-	80,404	0.83%	2,495.5	1,773
Denmark	663	114.4	-	4,166,217	-	30,710	2.16%	5,297.2	922
Kuwait	639	154.4	-	768,691	-	108,743	0.59%	26,283.5	-
Libya	608	88.5	-	230,501	-	39,513	1.54%	5,750.5	-
Azerbaijan	602	60.5	-	1,150,658	-	41,113	1.46%	4,135.1	2,307
Nepal	578	20.6	-	1,113,486	-	94,253	0.61%	3,355.6	-
Myanmar	510	9.4	-	355,271	-	21,433	2.38%	394.4	13,551
Uzbekistan	491	14.4	-	1,377,915	-	59,579	0.82%	1,748.6	2,225
UAE	436	45.3	-	10,434,795	-	101,840	0.43%	10,574.2	412
Lebanon	433	63.2	-	927,346	-	48,377	0.90%	7,063.4	399
South Korea	427	8.2	+2	2,388,844	-	24,422	1.75%	471.6	7,146
Greece	424	39.5	-	1,379,036	-	20,947	2.02%	1,952.6	2,277
Cameroon	420	16.7	-	149,000	-	20,924	2.01%	829.8	5,942
Albania	407	142.0	-	90,441	-	14,730	2.76%	5,138.9	268
Tunisia	364	31.5	-	256,667	-	24,542	1.48%	2,122.1	1,216
Palestine	355	70.3	-	441,785	-	42,840	0.83%	8,479.8	-
Finland	346	62.7	-	1,111,771	-	11,049	3.13%	2,002.3	239
Zambia	335	19.3	-	172,435	-	15,224	2.20%	875.9	3,980
Senegal	313	19.7	-	184,934	-	15,174	2.06%	957.1	3,675
Croatia	309	75.6	-	338,594	-	18,447	1.68%	4,510.9	439
Ghana	303	10.0	-	488,427	-	46,829	0.65%	1,546.5	6,838
DRC	276	26.0	-	-	-	10,804	2.55%	1,016.6	18,932
Norway	275	51.7	-	1,119,418	-	15,013	1.83%	2,825.0	852
Bahrain	262	166.9	-	1,509,071	-	73,932	0.35%	47,107.3	60
Madagascar	235	9.2	-	73,747	-	16,633	1.41%	647.7	-
Zimbabwe	229	15.1	-	160,921	-	7,919	2.89%	522.4	3,877
Haiti	229	19.8	-	29,115	-	8,838	2.59%	763.4	-
Qatar	218	78.4	-	810,027	-	127,181	0.17%	45,721.0	79
Syria	212	12.1	-	-	-	4,504	4.71%	257.4	821
Montenegro	190	305.3	-	73,768	-	12,794	1.49%	20,557.3	43
Malawi	180	9.4	-	54,727	-	5,803	3.10%	303.3	-
Slovenia	159	76.9	-	244,052	-	7,120	2.23%	3,444.0	320
Nicaragua	153	23.7	-	-	-	5,264	2.91%	814.2	341
Malaysia	141	4.5	-	1,627,612	-	13,993	1.01%	443.8	8,412
Mali	131	6.6	-	57,365	-	3,210	4.08%	160.7	4,127
Jordan	131	13.2	-	1,351,112	-	20,200	0.65%	2,028.9	325
Luxembourg	128	210.6	-	869,412	-	9,119	1.40%	15,005.1	91
Namibia	126	49.9	-	105,386	-	11,714	1.08%	4,634.5	-
Jamaica	126	42.9	-	82,411	-	7,191	1.75%	2,450.2	294
Cuba	123	11.0	-	663,612	-	5,898	2.09%	526.2	1,349
Gambia	117	49.8	-	17,728	-	3,613	3.24%	1,538.9	473
Eswatini	113	103.4	-	45,325	-	5,617	2.01%	5,137.9	-
Suriname	106	182.3	-	15,019	-	4,979	2.13%	8,564.2	-
Hong Kong	105	14.1	-	3,311,279	-	5,144	2.04%	690.4	1,905
Lithuania	101	36.2	-	815,260	-	5,483	1.84%	1,965.6	335
Somalia	99	6.2	-	-	-	3,745	2.64%	235.6	-
Chad	89	5.7	-	-	-	1,251	7.11%	79.7	-
Uganda	85	2.1	-	497,498	-	9,260	0.92%	229.8	-
Trinidad and Tobago	84	61.6	-	33,013	-	4,887	1.72%	3,582.9	115
Equatorial Guinea	83	63.4	-	61,836	-	5,052	1.64%	3,859.5	-
Liberia	82	18.3	-	29,904	-	1,355	6.05%	302.8	-
Sierra Leone	72	9.1	-	-	-	2,287	3.15%	289.4	-
Niger	69	3.1	-	26,937	-	1,200	5.75%	53.8	4,824
French Guiana	69	237.4	-	68,644	-	10,103	0.68%	34,755.1	-
Guinea	68	5.6	-	33,676	-	10,863	0.63%	889.1	-
Mozambique	68	2.3	-	148,538	-	9,494	0.72%	315.8	-
Estonia	67	50.7	-	226,416	-	3,715	1.80%	2,812.5	139
Georgia	63	16.9	-	679,169	-	9,753	0.65%	2,614.0	-
Djibouti	61	56.6	-	78,860	-	5,423	1.12%	5,028.9	-
Thailand	59	0.8	-	749,213	-	3,622	1.63%	52.2	24,419
Burkina Faso	59	3.0	-	-	-	2,222	2.66%	112.5	4,241
Slovakia	55	10.1	-	508,713	-	14,689	0.37%	2,696.7	650
Gabon	54	24.9	-	192,123	-	8,815	0.61%	4,057.4	461
South Sudan	50	3.9	-	12,044	-	2,748	1.82%	215.1	-
Uruguay	49	13.9	-	254,180	-	2,206	2.22%	627.0	593
Togo	49	6.2	-	97,635	-	1,898	2.58%	240.6	1,714
Latvia	40	20.8	-	344,821	-	2,261	1.77%	1,173.6	-
Guinea-Bissau	40	20.5	-	-	-	2,385	1.68%	1,219.7	-
Vietnam	35	0.4	-	1,009,145	-	1,099	3.18%	11.5	6,413
Maldives	34	65.9	-	150,743	-	10,656	0.32%	20,663.3	-
Belize	34	83.2	-	16,552	-	2,310	1.47%	5,655.0	-
Aruba	31	292.9	-	33,519	-	4,133	0.75%	39,047.7	-
Rwanda	29	2.3	-	511,183	-	4,883	0.59%	394.6	-
Singapore	27	4.8	-	3,072,368	-	57,840	0.05%	10,257.7	1,212
New Zealand	25	5.1	-	990,973	-	1,864	1.34%	381.5	618
Cyprus	24	20.2	-	400,197	-	1,897	1.27%	1,595.1	114
Tanzania	21	0.4	-	-	-	509	4.13%	9.1	-
Botswana	18	7.7	-	222,045	-	3,172	0.57%	1,356.2	-
Réunion	16	18.6	-	35,419	-	4,385	0.36%	5,099.1	-
Sao Tome and Principe	15	73.4	-	5,212	-	914	1.64%	4,473.2	-
Sri Lanka	13	0.6	-	303,381	-	4,459	0.29%	205.8	1,593
Iceland	10	2.1	-	294,930	-	3,172	0.32%	653.5	29
French Polynesia	10	36.2	-	26,355	-	2,358	0.42%	8,546.0	-
Mauritius	10	7.9	-	253,248	-	395	2.53%	312.0	92
Papua New Guinea	7	0.8	-	25,955	-	541	1.29%	60.5	-
Taiwan	7	0.3	-	94,734	-	523	1.34%	22.0	2,789
Barbados	7	24.4	-	25,393	-	203	3.45%	707.3	-
Brunei	3	7.0	-	60,615	-	146	2.05%	340.4	-
Caribbean Netherlands	2	79.5	-	2,796	-	141	1.42%	5,604.8	-
Fiji	2	2.3	-	11,034	-	32	6.25%	36.2	-
Western Sahara	1	1.7	-	-	-	10	10.00%	17.2	-
Montserrat	1	186.1	-	483	-	13	7.69%	2,419.5	-
Angola	211	6.8	-	85,213	-	5,725	3.69%	183.9	5,961
Mauritania	162	39.7	-	81,325	-	7,535	2.15%	1,848.0	1,026
Ivory Coast	120	4.8	-	168,309	-	19,935	0.60%	795.2	5,480
Bahamas	102	259.3	-	23,039	-	4,713	2.16%	11,981.4	30
Guyana	95	121.4	-	15,360	-	3,292	2.89%	4,205.6	73
Congo	89	1.0	-	-	-	5,089	1.75%	57.3	1,168
Guadeloupe	77	194.6	-	59,202	-	6,319	1.22%	15,969.2	-
Cabo Verde	71	129.9	-	87,076	-	6,624	1.07%	12,123.3	-
Andorra	53	688.3	-	137,457	-	2,568	2.06%	33,348.1	-
Channel Islands	48	12,962.5	-	123,884	-	698	6.88%	188,495.8	-
Mayotte	42	155.3	-	13,000	-	3,892	1.08%	14,395.0	-
San Marino	42	1,243.2	-	7,755	-	732	5.74%	21,666.4	-
Benin	41	3.5	-	203,831	-	2,411	1.70%	205.5	-
Malta	41	84.8	-	270,088	-	3,442	1.19%	7,118.5	-
Isle of Man	24	288.1	-	13,920	-	345	6.96%	4,141.0	-
Sint Maarten	22	522.8	-	4,650	-	698	3.15%	16,586.3	-
Martinique	22	58.4	-	39,379	-	1,851	1.19%	4,916.6	-
Diamond Princess	13	3,679.6	-	-	-	712	1.83%	201,528.4	-
Bermuda	9	140.6	-	67,860	-	181	4.97%	2,826.9	-
Saint Martin	8	245.7	-	5,170	-	412	1.94%	12,655.1	-
Turks and Caicos	6	169.3	-	3,504	-	695	0.86%	19,607.3	-
Antigua and Barbuda	3	31.2	-	2,979	-	108	2.78%	1,121.7	-
Monaco	2	51.7	-	51,953	-	227	0.88%	5,868.4	-
British Virgin Islands	1	33.3	-	5,161	-	71	1.41%	2,364.3	-
Curaçao	1	6.3	-	8,597	-	505	0.20%	3,182.8	-
Liechtenstein	1	26.4	-	900	-	131	0.76%	3,455.6	-
Cayman Islands	1	15.2	-	40,223	-	213	0.47%	3,236.4	-
Burundi	1	0.1	-	37,522	-	515	0.19%	47.0

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Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

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[BertramN]

Only the RWNJs refuse to see the reality in the impeached president trump's intentional failure to respond positively to control the COVID-19 pandemic.

But, these same RWNJs have always refused to face the failure of conservative policies in the real world. The successes they tout exist only in the RWNJs' fantasy world.


.

 

[Tuatara]

What is the USA death rate compared to the EU countries with their Gubmint run healthcare?

There are currently 28 countries in the EU. If you want to know the comparisons of each country I suggest you do the research. You can start with the link I provided as it shows all the COVID stats around the world.

Ok Sport, here is a list.

Pull out what you think makes your casel


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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Global Deaths



Coronavirus (COVID-19) U.S. Deaths

My case. I stated that the US is number 1 in COVID deaths. Even your chart backs that up. Not sure what you are trying to get at with this EU comparison.

 

[Turtlesoup]

If you don't understand by now, maybe it'll finally sink into your thick skull on the night of November 3rd.

See ya then.

In other words, the dems and foreign trolls claims that Trump somehow failed on Covid is all emotional manipulative propaganda not based on facts------------------ and you are hoping that the adults don't realize this fact.

 

[Tuatara]

If you don't understand by now, maybe it'll finally sink into your thick skull on the night of November 3rd.

See ya then.

In other words, the dems and foreign trolls claims that Trump somehow failed on Covid is all emotional manipulative propaganda not based on facts------------------ and you are hoping that the adults don't realize this fact.

Trump did fail on COVID. The stats back that up. Please provide evidence to counter. The OP made assertions. He has yet to back up any of his assertions. Maybe you can provide the facts.

 

[Tuatara]

I am not a Trump supporter, but there is no basis for anyone being critical of how Trump handled covid-19 epidemic.

Clearly no one can blame Trump because the rest of the world got hit almost the same.

Yes but many places in the rest of the world took more precautions and their death tolls are very miniscule. Look at New Zealand, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand and Germany

And obviously Fauci is wrong about "flattening the curve", social distancing, etc., because that can NEVER end an epidemic, never has, and never will. All flattening the curve does is make the epidemic last longer, which kills more people than if we ended it quickly.

Really. How would the hospitals and other health Centers accommodate everyone if the majority of your country was in infected with COVID? You want to get surgery for your ailing kidneys. Forget it, we have millions already in the hospitals with COVID being taken care by heath care workers who are about to die of exhaustion.

The reason Fauci was wrong is that we were not testing everybody at first, and only tested those symptomatic.

Testing costs money and you need resources and well trained health professionals. Something you are in short supply of. In early March Trump was criticized for not testing enough people. The White House announced later that they didn't have enough Test Kits available.

So we did not realize as we now know, that 90% of those infected are asymptomatic.
And those 90% mean we were calculating infection fatality at 10 times higher than it really was.

The number of deaths didn't change so the fatality rates didn't change, just the infection rates versus fatality would have looked more favorable.

So then clearly herd immunity would have been a better choice, and saved about 150,000 lives, by ending it in March.

No, ask any health care worker. It would have been disastrous.
Watch this. If We All Get COVID Anyway, Should We Just Get It Over With?
There are many, many other videos and articles on the subject by heath care professionals. They all say the same thing. What you are proposing is way worse.

 

[candycorn]

The democratic lies that Trump "failed on COVID" are nothing more than vague, unsupported personal attacks.

First - it is the Democrats holding up COVID relief checks, not Trump. There is currently a bill ready for Pelosi to sign to send us checks, but she will not sign it because it would make Trump look good, and she would rather see US suffering.

Second: The U.S. is currently in the #1 position in the world for economic recovery since COVID hit. Our post-pandemic GDP (gross domestic product) is the best in the world. That can only come from excellent economic management by the government in the face of a humanitarian crisis that CHINA is to blame for - not Trump.

Third: I keep hearing that "our COVID deaths are the worst in the world - worse than Europe." Another effing LIE! Our fatality rate is #9 in the world, not the worst. Italy, Germany, Spain and the UK are far worse. Furthermore, we had a system where every death that happened in 2020 was chalked up to COVID, no matter how people died. The truth is the average age of a recorded COVID fatality in the U.S. was a person over 70, with co-morbidities (other problems that also could have killed them). Take away New York alone and our numbers would be far better. Thanks, Cuomo.

Worst of all, the Democrats are purposely keeping the economy closed and citizens denied relief solely because they need to make Trump look as bad as possible to win the election. Is that the mentality you want in our leaders?

You do know that his CDC said to start social distancing on or around March 10.

On March 13, you do know that his DHS issued orders that Americans returning via air would have to go through 13 airports. Meaning that if you had plans to fly from Cozumel to Houston or Paris to Minneapolis, you were re-routed through the closest (in most cases) of those 13 airports.

You do know that there were people standing for hours on end, shoulder to shoulder because the Blob didn't have enough screeners on the ground to screen--not test--but screen the returning passengers.

You do know that on March 6, Trump said that anyone who needs a test can get a test which was a lie....and these tens of thousands of passengers were not tested as they stood on top of one another.

If you knew all of this...why are you asking such a stupid question?

 

[Turtlesoup]

If you don't understand by now, maybe it'll finally sink into your thick skull on the night of November 3rd.

See ya then.

In other words, the dems and foreign trolls claims that Trump somehow failed on Covid is all emotional manipulative propaganda not based on facts------------------ and you are hoping that the adults don't realize this fact.

Trump did fail on COVID. The stats back that up. Please provide evidence to counter. The OP made assertions. He has yet to back up any of his assertions. Maybe you can provide the facts.

There are no stats that say that Trump failed on covid-----tired of the TDS Lies and smears on him. Trump has in actuality done a good job with covid saving thousands of americans lives.

 

[Mac1958]

Okie dokie Trumpster. Dittos.

You just got destroyed, son. Don't make it more obvious by being glib.

In your mind, I know, son. Grow up.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All the idiot dems and their useful idiot mouthpieces have is the vague opinion of "he didn't take is seriously enough".

He was hysterically xenophobic and didn’t go to Chinatown, er, or something