Staggering climate contradiction - data that can be fudged says "warming," data that cannot be fudged says "no warming"

If you don't understand your own situation and dependencies how would you know whether you were immune or subject to consequences? How can someone engage constructively with the question you've asked?
They can stop trying to bait me.
 
It's an average and that's because sea level rise isn't the same throughout the world. Do you understand the reason whyi?

I'm not interested in commenting on whether or not its very much. There will be a decent adult discussion here or I won't be taking part.

First I'll call on EMH to retract his lie so we can start clean.. That's not negotiable. If anybody wants to learn something then they will abide by my rules.
You won't be taking part. I have no proof sea level varies throughout the world. I would look at proof.
 
That’s it ? “ flue gas “
Hilarious. I’m sure you did studies on the climate daily. What did you do in your spare time, study quantum theory ?
Part I

I'll get to your other question in later "Parts". For now, he's a major and more authoritative source than you are;
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About The Member​

Dr. Easterbrook received his PhD in geology from the University of Washington and taught for 40 years at Western Washington University where he has conducted research on global climate change in western North America, New Zealand, Argentina, and various other parts of the world. He has written a dozen books, 185 papers in professional journals, and has presented 30 research papers at international meetings in over 12 countries. He was chairman of the 1977 national meeting of the Geological Society of America (GSA), was president of the Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division of GSA, was Associate Editor of the GSA Bulletin for 15 years, was U.S. representative to the UN International Geological Correlation Program, and was Director of Field Excursions for the 2003 International Quaternary Congress.

He has received awards for ‘Distinguished service to the Geological Society of America,’ and ‘Lifetime Achievement Award, ’ and Honorable mention by the American Men of Science in “The Most Influential Scientists in North America.” He has been featured in articles on global warming in the New York Times, and has appeared on national networks shows at MSNBC, CNN, CBS and FOX.
Research Interests

His research activities related to climate change include causes of climate change, correlation of glacial fluctuations, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, climate, and solar variation, temp changes using oxygen isotope data from the Greenland ice core, effect of CO2 on climate change, and geologic history of climate change.
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CO2 Coalition


Providing the facts about CO2 and climate change​


CO2 Coalition is the nation’s leading organization providing facts, resources and information about the vital role carbon dioxide plays in our environment.

 
The money going in to the climate debate is to PREVENT LEGISLATION BEING PASSED to address AGW. It’s the opposite of what deniers are claiming.

“Why have conservative groups been so successful in casting doubt on global warming?”

“The study's author, Robert Brulle, a sociology and environmental science professor at Drexel University, takes a systematic look at what he calls the climate change counter-movement (CCCM), made up of groups that Brulle says have an average annual income of just above $900 million, although much of that money is not even spent on climate change-related activities and is used for other issues.”

Part II​

Gregory Wrightstone’s Speech at the 2024 Pennsylvania Leadership Conference​

On April 8th, 2024, Gregory Wrightstone spoke before a large crowd at the Pennsylvania Leadership Conference’s annual event to dismantle the lies that comprise the mainstream narrative on climate change.
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Why Climate Change is NOT an Emergency​

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Net Zero: An Existential Threat to Grid Reliability – and More​

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The Absurdity of the Conventional Global Warming Narrative​

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Methane – the Irrelevant Green-House Gas​

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The Real Story on Climate Change​

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Mann-ipulating Science: Sloppy Work or Scientific Bias Gregory Wrightstone (ICCC-14)​

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Climate Models vs. Reality Dr. Patrick Michaels (ICCC-14)​

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Noble Lies Dr. William Happer (ICCC-14)​

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Fake Invisible Catastrophes & Threats of Doom Dr. Patrick Moore (ICCC-14)​

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How Antarctica Caused Global Cooling or Why Earth Remains in Ice Age Mode for Next 200 Million Years​

Due to the formation of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current, enabled by plate tectonics, Antarctica became thermally isolated from the rest of the earth initiating 1) a permanent ice cap, 2) extensive sea ice that extruded cold brine that filled the ocean’s bottom water, and 3) Intensified upwelling that increased productivity that drew down atmospheric CO2 to current levels.

As a result of increasing cold Antarctic Bottom Water, oceans ventilated its its displaced ancient bottom water heat. As a result of a 50 million year cooling trend, the earth is now locked into a fluctuating balance between cold ice ages and warm interglacials

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Carbon Dioxide: Part of A Greener Future​

The CO2 Coalition was established for the purpose of educating thought leaders, policy makers, and the public about the important contribution made by CO2.

This video outlines the benefits of CO2 in our world and the important role it plays in increasing food production, reducing poverty, securing reliable energy, and creating prosperity.

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Several other presentations can be found here.
 
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That’s it ? “ flue gas “
Hilarious. I’m sure you did studies on the climate daily. What did you do in your spare time, study quantum theory ?

Flue-gas desulfurization - Wikipedia

Flue-gas desulfurization (FGD) is a set of technologies used to remove sulfur dioxide (SO2) from exhaust flue gases of fossil-fuel power plants, and from the emissions of other sulfur oxide emitting processes such as waste incineration, petroleum refineries, cement and lime kilns.


Methods​

Since stringent environmental regulations limiting SO2 emissions have been enacted in many countries, SO2 is being removed from flue gases by a variety of methods. Common methods used:



For a typical coal-fired power station, flue-gas desulfurization (FGD) may remove 90 per cent or more of the SO2 in the flue gases.[2]


History​

Methods of removing sulfur dioxide from boiler and furnace exhaust gases have been studied for over 150 years. Early ideas for flue gas desulfurization were established in England around 1850.
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Applied science to technology.
Something that is part of your set of general ignorance.

I may not have studied daily, but study of science frequently. Including quantum theory.
Science for Use in Science Fiction
 
Dr. Easterbrook:

Climate scientists have determined, and both sides agree, that the warming effect of each molecule of CO2 decreases significantly (logarithmically) as its concentration increases. This is one reason why there was no runaway greenhouse warming when the concentration of CO2 was approaching 20 times that of today. This inconvenient fact, important though it is, is kept very well hidden and is rarely mentioned, for it undermines the theory of future catastrophic climate change. Diminishing returns apply.
A more detailed description of the chart for the physics aficionados is provided here by Dr. William Happer:
“The blue curve shows how the thermal radiation flux Z(C) from Earth to space changes with the concentration C of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere. This example is for a temperate, summertime latitude. C is measured in parts per million (ppm) of all atmospheric molecules. At the current value of the CO2 concentration, about C = 400 ppm, the flux is Z(400 ppm) = 277 Watts per square meter (W/m^2). If all the CO2 could be removed from Earth’s atmosphere, so C = 0, but there were no changes in the concentrations of the remaining greenhouse gases (water vapor, ozone, methane and nitrous oxide) and no changes in the atmospheric temperature profile, the flux would be larger, Z (0 ppm) = 307 Watts (W/m^2), shown by the blue dot on the vertical axis of the graph. Adding the greenhouse gas CO2 diminishes the flux to space, very rapidly for the first few parts per million of CO2, as one can see from the blue curve. But as more CO2 is added a law of diminishing returns comes into play. The blue curve is almost flat for current concentrations of CO2, so the greenhouse effect is very insensitive to changes in CO2 concentrations. In the jargon of radiative transfer, the greenhouse effect is said to be “saturated.”
The vertical red lines show the decrease of flux to space caused by successive increases of the CO2 concentration C by 50 ppm increments. The increments are so small that they need to be multiplied by a factor of 100 to be clearly visible on the graph. Except for concentrations C that are almost zero, every doubling of CO2 concentrations decreases the radiation to space by 3 W. For example, the first red bar show that increasing C from 50 ppm to 100 ppm decreases the radiation to space by 300/100 W/m^2 = 3 W/m^2.”

Source(s): Wijngaarden-Happer 2020, Dependence of Earth's Thermal Radiation on Five Most Abundant Greenhouse Gases
Source(s): Happer 2021 Personal Communications
 
If you don't understand your own situation and dependencies how would you know whether you were immune or subject to consequences? How can someone engage constructively with the question you've asked?
I asked it of somebody else. So far he has not complained.

But to return the favor, how can you know, should I answer your questions, that I am very informed on conditions over 700 miles from me? You could question every facet of my explanation. so why do this?
 
Sure, take anything I’ve said and refute it…..on an accredited science related institute. Go for it. The all have web sites.

Part III​

About CO2 Coalition​


The CO2 Coalition was established in 2015 as a 501(c)(3) for the purpose of educating thought leaders, policymakers, and the public about the important contribution made by carbon dioxide to our lives and the economy. The Coalition seeks to engage in an informed and dispassionate discussion of climate change, humans’ role in the climate system, the limitations of climate models, and the consequences of mandated reductions in CO2 emissions.

About Us​


In carrying out our mission, we seek to strengthen the understanding of the role of science and the scientific process in addressing complex public policy issues like climate change. Science produces empirical, measurable, objective facts and provides a means for testing hypotheses that can be replicated and potentially disproven. Approaches to policy that do not adhere to the scientific process risk grave damage to the economy and to science.


The CO2 Coalition
1621 North Kent Street, Suite 603
Arlington, Virginia 22209


571-970-3180


[email protected]
(List of memebers at the above link/url)

Heat and Mortality | Climate Chronicles​

Will a warmer climate kill more people? If the planet keeps getting warmer, does it mean you’ll die earlier than you should? Should you worry about a future where it’s warmer than it is now? History tells us the real story. Find out more in this CO2 Coalition Climate Chronicles video.
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CO2 and Food Abundance | Climate Chronicles​

Is carbon dioxide poisoning the air? How much trouble are we really in? This CO2 Coalition Climate Chronicles video explains the role of carbon dioxide and its necessity for our food supply and survival.
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Heat Wave? | CO2 Coalition Climate Chronicles​

Why are you hearing dire climate warnings? Almost daily? Preachers of a fiery climate change gospel want you to believe that only they have the plan to stop it. But to do so, they must take control of our financial system. The climate experts at the CO2 Coalition have the complete set of data and facts you need. Some of the information for this video is taken from Gregory Wrightstone’s new book, A Very Convenient Warming.
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Greenpeace Founder: Anti-Carbon Dioxide Agenda Is a Hoax​

From Slay‘s Frank Bergman:
Renowned environmentalist Dr. Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace, has blown the whistle to warn the public that the anti-carbon dioxide narrative is a hoax.
Moore, an ecologist and environmental activist for more than 50 years, argues that an increased level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is beneficial.
According to Moore, claims that climate change is “human-caused” are “propaganda” which he describes as “dangerous.”
The comments from Moore, a leading expert in environmentalism, directly conflict with the green agenda being pushed by Democrat President Joe Biden’s administration and globalist groups such as the United Nations (UN) and World Economic Forum (WEF).
Green agenda advocates are demanding that the public must slash their “carbon footprints” to “save the planet.”

Moore, who left Greenpeace’s leadership after being involved for 15 years, now criticizes the environmental movement for using scare tactics and disinformation.
He says that environmentalism has been hijacked and the movement has “abandoned science and logic in favor of emotion and sensationalism.”
The complete Slay article, originally published June 9, 2023, can be accessed here.
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There Was Never Scientific Consensus on Climate Change​

Veteran climate expert Dr Richard Lindzen made a name for himself before the fundamentally flawed field of climate science that we know today was invented. In an interview with the pioneering atmospheric physicist and former emeritus professor of meteorology at MIT, he recounted events that occurred in the 1980s, which gave birth to the all-consuming climate change narrative that prevails today. Having begun his research on climate change in the mid-70s motivated by a sincere interest in understanding the Earth’s climate regimes, Lindzen’s assessment of the various elements paraded as scientific evidence of an impending climate catastrophe is remarkably sensible. What’s particularly revealing from his recollection of events is how complicit the media and politicians have been in forcing the disastrous climate change narrative upon an unsuspecting and trusting public from the very beginning.
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We Live in Cold Times​

Jørgen Peder Steffensen is a professor in ice core related research at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen. Using ice core date, his team has reconstructed the last 10,000 years of climate history.
 
/——/ Scientists who make a living from their CC research better produce results the donors want to support their agenda.
You blew that one.

Part III​

About CO2 Coalition​


The CO2 Coalition was established in 2015 as a 501(c)(3) for the purpose of educating thought leaders, policymakers, and the public about the important contribution made by carbon dioxide to our lives and the economy. The Coalition seeks to engage in an informed and dispassionate discussion of climate change, humans’ role in the climate system, the limitations of climate models, and the consequences of mandated reductions in CO2 emissions.

About Us​


In carrying out our mission, we seek to strengthen the understanding of the role of science and the scientific process in addressing complex public policy issues like climate change. Science produces empirical, measurable, objective facts and provides a means for testing hypotheses that can be replicated and potentially disproven. Approaches to policy that do not adhere to the scientific process risk grave damage to the economy and to science.


The CO2 Coalition
1621 North Kent Street, Suite 603
Arlington, Virginia 22209


571-970-3180


[email protected]
(List of memebers at the above link/url)

Heat and Mortality | Climate Chronicles​

Will a warmer climate kill more people? If the planet keeps getting warmer, does it mean you’ll die earlier than you should? Should you worry about a future where it’s warmer than it is now? History tells us the real story. Find out more in this CO2 Coalition Climate Chronicles video.
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CO2 and Food Abundance | Climate Chronicles​

Is carbon dioxide poisoning the air? How much trouble are we really in? This CO2 Coalition Climate Chronicles video explains the role of carbon dioxide and its necessity for our food supply and survival.
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Heat Wave? | CO2 Coalition Climate Chronicles​

Why are you hearing dire climate warnings? Almost daily? Preachers of a fiery climate change gospel want you to believe that only they have the plan to stop it. But to do so, they must take control of our financial system. The climate experts at the CO2 Coalition have the complete set of data and facts you need. Some of the information for this video is taken from Gregory Wrightstone’s new book, A Very Convenient Warming.
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Greenpeace Founder: Anti-Carbon Dioxide Agenda Is a Hoax​

From Slay‘s Frank Bergman:
Renowned environmentalist Dr. Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace, has blown the whistle to warn the public that the anti-carbon dioxide narrative is a hoax.
Moore, an ecologist and environmental activist for more than 50 years, argues that an increased level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is beneficial.
According to Moore, claims that climate change is “human-caused” are “propaganda” which he describes as “dangerous.”
The comments from Moore, a leading expert in environmentalism, directly conflict with the green agenda being pushed by Democrat President Joe Biden’s administration and globalist groups such as the United Nations (UN) and World Economic Forum (WEF).
Green agenda advocates are demanding that the public must slash their “carbon footprints” to “save the planet.”

Moore, who left Greenpeace’s leadership after being involved for 15 years, now criticizes the environmental movement for using scare tactics and disinformation.
He says that environmentalism has been hijacked and the movement has “abandoned science and logic in favor of emotion and sensationalism.”
The complete Slay article, originally published June 9, 2023, can be accessed here.
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There Was Never Scientific Consensus on Climate Change​

Veteran climate expert Dr Richard Lindzen made a name for himself before the fundamentally flawed field of climate science that we know today was invented. In an interview with the pioneering atmospheric physicist and former emeritus professor of meteorology at MIT, he recounted events that occurred in the 1980s, which gave birth to the all-consuming climate change narrative that prevails today. Having begun his research on climate change in the mid-70s motivated by a sincere interest in understanding the Earth’s climate regimes, Lindzen’s assessment of the various elements paraded as scientific evidence of an impending climate catastrophe is remarkably sensible. What’s particularly revealing from his recollection of events is how complicit the media and politicians have been in forcing the disastrous climate change narrative upon an unsuspecting and trusting public from the very beginning.
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We Live in Cold Times​

Jørgen Peder Steffensen is a professor in ice core related research at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen. Using ice core date, his team has reconstructed the last 10,000 years of climate history.
We’ve allready caught you in lies.
What bullshit..you are a traitor to the country. You are a traitor to our military and all those in public service as well who have dedicated their lives to serve America. You are a fking traitor,
 
Look woo woo spreader, I’ll make two contradictory statements of yours that illustrate your ineptitude. First, consensus science has nothing to do with opinions and everything to do with why every single climate science research facility, every country and every related corporation who are on board with AGW..


Secondly, discussions of science theories are way out of your league.
Most of the following is likely beyond your feeble mental skills and grasp, but many others may find it informing.
Rather than provide link/url to each of the 25 items listed here, one can go to this link and find the one(s) on the list that interests them.
Fact #1

CO2

140-million-year trend of dangerously decreasing CO2.​

Fact #2

CO2 vs Temperature CO2

The warming effect of each molecule of CO2 declines as its concentration increases​

Fact #3

Food Security CO2

First and foremost, CO2 is plant food.​

Fact #4

CO2

In the last four glacial advances, the CO2 level was dangerously low.​

Fact #5

CO2

CO2 emissions began accelerating in the mid-20th century​

Fact #6

CO2

Our current geologic period (Quaternary) has the lowest average CO2 levels in the last 600 million years​

Fact #7

CO2

Current CO2 levels are near record lows. We are CO2 impoverished.​

Fact #8

CO2

More CO2 means more plant growth.​

Fact #9

Food Security CO2

More CO2 helps to feed more people worldwide.​

Fact #10

Temperature CO2 vs Temperature

Modern warming began more than 300 years ago…​

Fact #11

Temperature

Melting glaciers confirm modern warming predated increases of CO2​

Fact #12

Temperature

Rising sea levels confirm modern warming predated increases of CO2​

Continued in next post ....
 
Most of the following is likely beyond your feeble mental skills and grasp, but many others may find it informing.
Rather than provide link/url to each of the 25 items listed here, one can go to this link and find the one(s) on the list that interests them.
Fact #1

CO2

140-million-year trend of dangerously decreasing CO2.​

Fact #2

CO2 vs Temperature CO2

The warming effect of each molecule of CO2 declines as its concentration increases​

Fact #3

Food Security CO2

First and foremost, CO2 is plant food.​

Fact #4

CO2

In the last four glacial advances, the CO2 level was dangerously low.​

Fact #5

CO2

CO2 emissions began accelerating in the mid-20th century​

Fact #6

CO2

Our current geologic period (Quaternary) has the lowest average CO2 levels in the last 600 million years​

Fact #7

CO2

Current CO2 levels are near record lows. We are CO2 impoverished.​

Fact #8

CO2

More CO2 means more plant growth.​

Fact #9

Food Security CO2

More CO2 helps to feed more people worldwide.​

Fact #10

Temperature CO2 vs Temperature

Modern warming began more than 300 years ago…​

Fact #11

Temperature

Melting glaciers confirm modern warming predated increases of CO2​

Fact #12

Temperature

Rising sea levels confirm modern warming predated increases of CO2​

Continued in next post ....
All made up shit…nothing from any science reaserch facility. Nothing.
 
Most of the following is likely beyond your feeble mental skills and grasp, but many others may find it informing.
Rather than provide link/url to each of the 25 items listed here, one can go to this link and find the one(s) on the list that interests them.
Fact #1

CO2

140-million-year trend of dangerously decreasing CO2.​

Fact #2

CO2 vs Temperature CO2

The warming effect of each molecule of CO2 declines as its concentration increases​

Fact #3

Food Security CO2

First and foremost, CO2 is plant food.​

Fact #4

CO2

In the last four glacial advances, the CO2 level was dangerously low.​

Fact #5

CO2

CO2 emissions began accelerating in the mid-20th century​

Fact #6

CO2

Our current geologic period (Quaternary) has the lowest average CO2 levels in the last 600 million years​

Fact #7

CO2

Current CO2 levels are near record lows. We are CO2 impoverished.​

Fact #8

CO2

More CO2 means more plant growth.​

Fact #9

Food Security CO2

More CO2 helps to feed more people worldwide.​

Fact #10

Temperature CO2 vs Temperature

Modern warming began more than 300 years ago…​

Fact #11

Temperature

Melting glaciers confirm modern warming predated increases of CO2​

Fact #12

Temperature

Rising sea levels confirm modern warming predated increases of CO2​

Continued in next post ....
Conservative fking think tank. Not one working scientist in the whole fking clan of baglappers.
 
Fact #13

Temperature

Temperatures changed dramatically during the past 10,000 years. It wasn’t us.​

Fact #14

Temperature

Interglacials usually last 10,000 – 15,000 years. Ours is 11,000 years old.​

Fact #15

Temperature

The last interglacial was 8°C (14°F) warmer than today. The polar bears survived. Greenland didn’t melt.​

Fact #16

Temperature

The current warming trend is neither unusual nor unprecedented (Part 1).​

Fact #17

Temperature

The current warming trend is neither unusual nor unprecedented (Part 2).​

Fact #18

Temperature

Earth’s orbit and tilt drive glacial-interglacial changes.​

Fact #19

Temperature

We are living in one of the coldest periods in all of Earth’s history.​

Fact #20

Temperature

For most of Earth’s history, it was about 10°C (18°F) warmer than today.​

Fact #21

Temperature

IPCC models have overstated warming up to three times too much.​

Fact #22

Temperature

For human advancement, warmer is better than colder.​

Fact #23

Food Security

CO2 increase is enhancing corn production… a lot​

Fact #24

Temperature

An “ideal” temperature is not that of 150 years ago​

Fact #25

Food Security

More CO2 means moister soil.​


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Fact #26

Temperature

The current warming trend is neither unusual nor unprecedented (Part 3)​

Fact #27

CO2 vs Temperature

CO2 rose after the Second World War, but temperature fell​

Fact #28

Temperature

The only thing constant about temperatures over 600 million years is that they have been constantly changing.​

Fact #29

Weather

Droughts are not increasing in the U.S. (NOAA) (Part 1)​

Fact #30

Weather

Droughts are not increasing in the U.S. (NOAA) (Part 2)​


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Fact #31

Weather

Globally droughts are in decline​

Fact #32

Temperature

Glacial retreat began more than 200 years ago​

 
You blew that one.

We’ve allready caught you in lies.
What bullshit..you are a traitor to the country. You are a traitor to our military and all those in public service as well who have dedicated their lives to serve America. You are a fking traitor,
You are a whiny little fart.
 

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