Still Pissed About Jeb

[rightwinger]

Jen or no Jeb

All former Presidents agree Trump is not suited to be President

Of course not. Trump is no globalist. He's not playing their game.

Trump isn't a globalist. He uses foreigners at his resorts. The number of requests for foreign workers at Mar-a-Largo this year is around 70, up from 64 last year.
All of his stuff is made overseas. He is very much a globalist. He is laughing all the way to the bank at the twerp state.

No, he is not a globalist. He is an America first guy, something that Obama absolutely was not. And yes, as a business man he took every advantage the law would allow him. As a business owner, so did I.

However, he is now personally lobbying for better laws, rules, and regs that would make those advantages much less attractive and buying and hiring American and doing business in America much more attractive.

And it is THAT kind of thinking that got him elected President.

Trump is about...me...me ...me
America must operate in a global economy. We must cooperate with our allies to lessen our global burden. Our economy depends on other economies

Trumps simplistic global views have destroyed our standing in the world

The United States does not need to get fucked up the ass by global trade deals that don't benefit us in any way.

Go away anarchist

 

[bripat9643]

I am about as pure a classical liberal as it gets There very much is such a thing. Just too few people educated in the wisdom of it.

Do you believe women should vote?

Sure, if they are citizens, of legal age, of sound mind, and informed. However, that has nothing to do with classical liberalism. The Founders didn't give anybody the ability to vote. They left who voted within the various states strictly up to the various states. That's what most identifies classical liberalism, i.e. the ability to decide what sort of society you want and allow the people to govern themselves.

Our classical liberal founders only provided the vote to landowners. Women, blacks, Indians did not have full rights as citizens.

Are you cherry picking what their views were?

The founders didn't view voting as a right, and nowhere did the Constitution say it was a right until the 26th Amendment was passed.

Classical liberals?

Your point?

 

[bripat9643]

Of course not. Trump is no globalist. He's not playing their game.

Trump isn't a globalist. He uses foreigners at his resorts. The number of requests for foreign workers at Mar-a-Largo this year is around 70, up from 64 last year.
All of his stuff is made overseas. He is very much a globalist. He is laughing all the way to the bank at the twerp state.

No, he is not a globalist. He is an America first guy, something that Obama absolutely was not. And yes, as a business man he took every advantage the law would allow him. As a business owner, so did I.

However, he is now personally lobbying for better laws, rules, and regs that would make those advantages much less attractive and buying and hiring American and doing business in America much more attractive.

And it is THAT kind of thinking that got him elected President.

Trump is about...me...me ...me
America must operate in a global economy. We must cooperate with our allies to lessen our global burden. Our economy depends on other economies

Trumps simplistic global views have destroyed our standing in the world

The United States does not need to get fucked up the ass by global trade deals that don't benefit us in any way.

Go away anarchist

Opposing global trade deals is the equivalent of anarchism?

 

[pismoe]

Of course not. Trump is no globalist. He's not playing their game.

Trump isn't a globalist. He uses foreigners at his resorts. The number of requests for foreign workers at Mar-a-Largo this year is around 70, up from 64 last year.
All of his stuff is made overseas. He is very much a globalist. He is laughing all the way to the bank at the twerp state.

No, he is not a globalist. He is an America first guy, something that Obama absolutely was not. And yes, as a business man he took every advantage the law would allow him. As a business owner, so did I.

However, he is now personally lobbying for better laws, rules, and regs that would make those advantages much less attractive and buying and hiring American and doing business in America much more attractive.

And it is THAT kind of thinking that got him elected President.

Trump is about...me...me ...me
America must operate in a global economy. We must cooperate with our allies to lessen our global burden. Our economy depends on other economies

Trumps simplistic global views have destroyed our standing in the world

------------------------------------------------ GOOD as the USA practices independance and Sovereignty RWinger !!

Let's see how America first does in Asia

------------------------------------------------------------- feck 'asia' !! America will do fine or good enough , YOU as a resident of the USA have got it too soft to begin with and USA sovereignty and Independance is more important than doing well , whatever that means in 'asia' RWinger !!

 

[rightwinger]

Trump isn't a globalist. He uses foreigners at his resorts. The number of requests for foreign workers at Mar-a-Largo this year is around 70, up from 64 last year.
All of his stuff is made overseas. He is very much a globalist. He is laughing all the way to the bank at the twerp state.

No, he is not a globalist. He is an America first guy, something that Obama absolutely was not. And yes, as a business man he took every advantage the law would allow him. As a business owner, so did I.

However, he is now personally lobbying for better laws, rules, and regs that would make those advantages much less attractive and buying and hiring American and doing business in America much more attractive.

And it is THAT kind of thinking that got him elected President.

Trump is about...me...me ...me
America must operate in a global economy. We must cooperate with our allies to lessen our global burden. Our economy depends on other economies

Trumps simplistic global views have destroyed our standing in the world

The United States does not need to get fucked up the ass by global trade deals that don't benefit us in any way.

Go away anarchist

Opposing global trade deals is the equivalent of anarchism?

The views of anarchists are not relevant Fingerboy

 

[bripat9643]

No, he is not a globalist. He is an America first guy, something that Obama absolutely was not. And yes, as a business man he took every advantage the law would allow him. As a business owner, so did I.

However, he is now personally lobbying for better laws, rules, and regs that would make those advantages much less attractive and buying and hiring American and doing business in America much more attractive.

And it is THAT kind of thinking that got him elected President.

Trump is about...me...me ...me
America must operate in a global economy. We must cooperate with our allies to lessen our global burden. Our economy depends on other economies

Trumps simplistic global views have destroyed our standing in the world

The United States does not need to get fucked up the ass by global trade deals that don't benefit us in any way.

Go away anarchist

Opposing global trade deals is the equivalent of anarchism?

The views of anarchists are not relevant Fingerboy

Says who? The views of dumbasses like you aren't relevant.

 

[pismoe]

Trump is about...me...me ...me
America must operate in a global economy. We must cooperate with our allies to lessen our global burden. Our economy depends on other economies

Trumps simplistic global views have destroyed our standing in the world

The United States does not need to get fucked up the ass by global trade deals that don't benefit us in any way.

Go away anarchist

Opposing global trade deals is the equivalent of anarchism?

The views of anarchists are not relevant Fingerboy

Says who? The views of dumbasses like you aren't relevant.

------------------------------------------ don't let these lefties get you mad , feck'em . They are one worlders , citizens of the world and the Global village with 'visions' of mrobama or hilary types as their bosses .

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think most 'politicians' are upset trump won.

Breaks up the monopoly they had on the office

Certainly the permanent political class, of which Presidents Bush 41 and 43, both of whom I like personally a great deal, are a part of, are going to try to undermine and/or destroy somebody who dares to shake up a status quo that has so greatly benefited THEM. The permanent political class has long been interested only in promoting their personal power, prestige, influence, wealth. The only difference between the parties is the constituencies they represent and they throw those constituencies just enough bones to keep us voting them into their very lucrative positions.

And add in the fact that Candidate Trump said something uncomplimentary about their family member, and it becomes even more personal.

Tacky of them to attack a sitting President.

But typical in a book written exactly for the purpose of doing that.

They are abandoning lifelong party loyalties to make it clear

Trump is not suited to be President

Something I don't think either would have done had Jeb not been part of the equation.

Jen or no Jeb

All former Presidents agree Trump is not suited to be President

And yet he's doing a better job than many of them. Unemployment lowest since 2000, consumer confidence the highest since 2000, great work on the borders and attacking immigration, government dependency going down, stock market breaking records. And to think, the guy hasn't been in office a full year yet.

 

[rightwinger]

I think most 'politicians' are upset trump won.

Breaks up the monopoly they had on the office

Certainly the permanent political class, of which Presidents Bush 41 and 43, both of whom I like personally a great deal, are a part of, are going to try to undermine and/or destroy somebody who dares to shake up a status quo that has so greatly benefited THEM. The permanent political class has long been interested only in promoting their personal power, prestige, influence, wealth. The only difference between the parties is the constituencies they represent and they throw those constituencies just enough bones to keep us voting them into their very lucrative positions.

And add in the fact that Candidate Trump said something uncomplimentary about their family member, and it becomes even more personal.

Tacky of them to attack a sitting President.

But typical in a book written exactly for the purpose of doing that.

They are abandoning lifelong party loyalties to make it clear

Trump is not suited to be President

Something I don't think either would have done had Jeb not been part of the equation.

Jen or no Jeb

All former Presidents agree Trump is not suited to be President

And yet he's doing a better job than many of them. Unemployment lowest since 2000, consumer confidence the highest since 2000, great work on the borders and attacking immigration, government dependency going down, stock market breaking records. And to think, the guy hasn't been in office a full year yet.

Trump has done nothing to help the economy

Let's hope he doesn't screw it up

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think most 'politicians' are upset trump won.

Breaks up the monopoly they had on the office

Certainly the permanent political class, of which Presidents Bush 41 and 43, both of whom I like personally a great deal, are a part of, are going to try to undermine and/or destroy somebody who dares to shake up a status quo that has so greatly benefited THEM. The permanent political class has long been interested only in promoting their personal power, prestige, influence, wealth. The only difference between the parties is the constituencies they represent and they throw those constituencies just enough bones to keep us voting them into their very lucrative positions.

And add in the fact that Candidate Trump said something uncomplimentary about their family member, and it becomes even more personal.

Tacky of them to attack a sitting President.

But typical in a book written exactly for the purpose of doing that.

I would disagree with that. I'm no Bush family fan, but Trump did attack GW and Jeb on many occasions uncalled for. I believe that they have the right to strike back when the opportunity is given. I feel the same way about Trump. Most of the Trump controversies were about him defending himself and striking back at those who attacked him first.

I guess I'm just a big self-defense kind of guy. So I approve of the Bush's dislike for Donald, but I disagree with them voting for anybody outside our party. If you have a quarrel within your ranks, you don't join the enemy to get even.

 

[bripat9643]

Certainly the permanent political class, of which Presidents Bush 41 and 43, both of whom I like personally a great deal, are a part of, are going to try to undermine and/or destroy somebody who dares to shake up a status quo that has so greatly benefited THEM. The permanent political class has long been interested only in promoting their personal power, prestige, influence, wealth. The only difference between the parties is the constituencies they represent and they throw those constituencies just enough bones to keep us voting them into their very lucrative positions.

And add in the fact that Candidate Trump said something uncomplimentary about their family member, and it becomes even more personal.

Tacky of them to attack a sitting President.

But typical in a book written exactly for the purpose of doing that.

They are abandoning lifelong party loyalties to make it clear

Trump is not suited to be President

Something I don't think either would have done had Jeb not been part of the equation.

Jen or no Jeb

All former Presidents agree Trump is not suited to be President

And yet he's doing a better job than many of them. Unemployment lowest since 2000, consumer confidence the highest since 2000, great work on the borders and attacking immigration, government dependency going down, stock market breaking records. And to think, the guy hasn't been in office a full year yet.

Trump has done nothing to help the economy

Let's hope he doesn't screw it up

He's done a lot to help the economy. He has killed all those ridiculous economically harmfull regulations that Obama imposed on us. The so-called "clean power plan" alone was a major drag on the economy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Certainly the permanent political class, of which Presidents Bush 41 and 43, both of whom I like personally a great deal, are a part of, are going to try to undermine and/or destroy somebody who dares to shake up a status quo that has so greatly benefited THEM. The permanent political class has long been interested only in promoting their personal power, prestige, influence, wealth. The only difference between the parties is the constituencies they represent and they throw those constituencies just enough bones to keep us voting them into their very lucrative positions.

And add in the fact that Candidate Trump said something uncomplimentary about their family member, and it becomes even more personal.

Tacky of them to attack a sitting President.

But typical in a book written exactly for the purpose of doing that.

They are abandoning lifelong party loyalties to make it clear

Trump is not suited to be President

Something I don't think either would have done had Jeb not been part of the equation.

Jen or no Jeb

All former Presidents agree Trump is not suited to be President

And yet he's doing a better job than many of them. Unemployment lowest since 2000, consumer confidence the highest since 2000, great work on the borders and attacking immigration, government dependency going down, stock market breaking records. And to think, the guy hasn't been in office a full year yet.

Trump has done nothing to help the economy

Let's hope he doesn't screw it up

Right, we just magically hit over 3% GDP growth by luck; something DumBama couldn't pull off in 8 years.

Trump has been in office for 10 months now, so you can't keep giving DumBama credit for his successes. He gave confidence to businesses and citizens alike. Trump (being a businessman) is pro private sector following the most anti-business President of our lifetime. Of course businesses are excited about the future.

So what is Trump's problem? Some don't like him personally. He's the exact opposite of DumBama. People loved him personally, but his policies sucked. That's why we gave leadership of Congress to the Republicans; to stop DumBama.

 

[busybee01]

and the Trump is YOUR President BBee !!

He is not my president. he would get not a least bit of respect from me because he hasn't earned it. Felt the same way about Obama.

 

[busybee01]

They are abandoning lifelong party loyalties to make it clear

Trump is not suited to be President

Something I don't think either would have done had Jeb not been part of the equation.

Jen or no Jeb

All former Presidents agree Trump is not suited to be President

And yet he's doing a better job than many of them. Unemployment lowest since 2000, consumer confidence the highest since 2000, great work on the borders and attacking immigration, government dependency going down, stock market breaking records. And to think, the guy hasn't been in office a full year yet.

Trump has done nothing to help the economy

Let's hope he doesn't screw it up

He's done a lot to help the economy. He has killed all those ridiculous economically harmfull regulations that Obama imposed on us. The so-called "clean power plan" alone was a major drag on the economy.

He has also gotten rid of necessary regulation. To name a few:

Requiring financial advisors to take the best interests of their clients into account
Requiring airlines to disclose fees on discount tickets
Letting coal companies put coal waste into rivers
Allowing companies to require binding arbitration

Coal is not coming back. Getting rid of the clean power plan will not change that.

 

[busybee01]

As a liberal, I have to admit that it's frankly a bit scary to imagine if Jeb Bush would have won the nomination, and were president now.
Imagine how much better shape the GOP would be in?

Had Jeb! won the nomination, Hillary would be president and Merrick would be a Supreme Court Justice instead of Gorsuch...so I suspect you are correct...things would be MUCH better for liberals if Jeb! had received the nomination...just like it was better for liberals when McCain and Romney were the nominees.

Jeb Bush would have beaten Clinton. If you take Romney's totals from 2012 and applied them in 2016, that would have been around 262 EV.

How many electoral votes does it take to win? (Hint: it is more than 262!)

Why are libs so intent on flaunting their ignorance?

That would have been the starting point. I have no doubt that Romney would have beaten Clinton in the EV and popular vote. Obama would have beaten Trump as well. That is how reviled both candidates were.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As a liberal, I have to admit that it's frankly a bit scary to imagine if Jeb Bush would have won the nomination, and were president now.
Imagine how much better shape the GOP would be in?

Had Jeb! won the nomination, Hillary would be president and Merrick would be a Supreme Court Justice instead of Gorsuch...so I suspect you are correct...things would be MUCH better for liberals if Jeb! had received the nomination...just like it was better for liberals when McCain and Romney were the nominees.

Jeb Bush would have beaten Clinton. If you take Romney's totals from 2012 and applied them in 2016, that would have been around 262 EV.

How many electoral votes does it take to win? (Hint: it is more than 262!)

Why are libs so intent on flaunting their ignorance?

That would have been the starting point. I have no doubt that Romney would have beaten Clinton in the EV and popular vote. Obama would have beaten Trump as well. That is how reviled both candidates were.

Sorry! You libs are so go at posting stupid shit, I thought you were at it again!

 

[busybee01]

I think most 'politicians' are upset trump won.

Breaks up the monopoly they had on the office

Certainly the permanent political class, of which Presidents Bush 41 and 43, both of whom I like personally a great deal, are a part of, are going to try to undermine and/or destroy somebody who dares to shake up a status quo that has so greatly benefited THEM. The permanent political class has long been interested only in promoting their personal power, prestige, influence, wealth. The only difference between the parties is the constituencies they represent and they throw those constituencies just enough bones to keep us voting them into their very lucrative positions.

And add in the fact that Candidate Trump said something uncomplimentary about their family member, and it becomes even more personal.

Tacky of them to attack a sitting President.

But typical in a book written exactly for the purpose of doing that.

If anyone is tacky it is Trump. He is just re-stocking the swamp. When big business tells him to jump he just asks how high. He is putting lobbyists in to oversee the areas they lobby in.

I had a lot of differences when they were President but they have 1 thing Trump will never have. Class. A majority of voters agree with the Bush family.

Nicely recited Democratic talking points but I don't believe a word of it. I will concede that he will never be the poll tested, scripted, polished politician that so many think he has to be in order to be acceptable. (Though the left wing would trash him no matter what his style.)

But it was because he is not that poll tested, scripted, polished politician who plays by the permanent political class rules that got him elected by 60+ million people who didn't want a poll tested, scripted, polished politician as a leader.

Not true. Voters were repulsed by both candidates. Both were seen as dishonest but enough reluctantly voted for Trump. If you look at the polls for both Clinton and Trump you would see something interesting. Anyone who was seen as honest on the Republican side did better against Clinton than they did against Biden or Sanders who were seem as more honest. Democrats who were seen as more honest did better against Trump than Clinton. This was a vote for who was the less awful.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think most 'politicians' are upset trump won.

Breaks up the monopoly they had on the office

Certainly the permanent political class, of which Presidents Bush 41 and 43, both of whom I like personally a great deal, are a part of, are going to try to undermine and/or destroy somebody who dares to shake up a status quo that has so greatly benefited THEM. The permanent political class has long been interested only in promoting their personal power, prestige, influence, wealth. The only difference between the parties is the constituencies they represent and they throw those constituencies just enough bones to keep us voting them into their very lucrative positions.

And add in the fact that Candidate Trump said something uncomplimentary about their family member, and it becomes even more personal.

Tacky of them to attack a sitting President.

But typical in a book written exactly for the purpose of doing that.

If anyone is tacky it is Trump. He is just re-stocking the swamp. When big business tells him to jump he just asks how high. He is putting lobbyists in to oversee the areas they lobby in.

I had a lot of differences when they were President but they have 1 thing Trump will never have. Class. A majority of voters agree with the Bush family.

Nicely recited Democratic talking points but I don't believe a word of it. I will concede that he will never be the poll tested, scripted, polished politician that so many think he has to be in order to be acceptable. (Though the left wing would trash him no matter what his style.)

But it was because he is not that poll tested, scripted, polished politician who plays by the permanent political class rules that got him elected by 60+ million people who didn't want a poll tested, scripted, polished politician as a leader.

Not true. Voters were repulsed by both candidates. Both were seen as dishonest but enough reluctantly voted for Trump. If you look at the polls for both Clinton and Trump you would see something interesting. Anyone who was seen as honest on the Republican side did better against Clinton than they did against Biden or Sanders who were seem as more honest. Democrats who were seen as more honest did better against Trump than Clinton. This was a vote for who was the less awful.

Yet more people voted in this election than last.

Bang!

That was your point blowing up!

 

[Carl in Michigan]

H. W. really shows his colors here. From him through Obama was an unfortunate series of globalist presidents. Let's not do that again.

Trump Is a ‘Blowhard,’ ‘I Don’t Like Him’ and I Voted for Hillary, George Bush Says in New Book

Not at all surprised.

 

[bripat9643]

Something I don't think either would have done had Jeb not been part of the equation.

Jen or no Jeb

All former Presidents agree Trump is not suited to be President

And yet he's doing a better job than many of them. Unemployment lowest since 2000, consumer confidence the highest since 2000, great work on the borders and attacking immigration, government dependency going down, stock market breaking records. And to think, the guy hasn't been in office a full year yet.

Trump has done nothing to help the economy

Let's hope he doesn't screw it up

He's done a lot to help the economy. He has killed all those ridiculous economically harmfull regulations that Obama imposed on us. The so-called "clean power plan" alone was a major drag on the economy.

He has also gotten rid of necessary regulation. To name a few:

Requiring financial advisors to take the best interests of their clients into account
Requiring airlines to disclose fees on discount tickets
Letting coal companies put coal waste into rivers
Allowing companies to require binding arbitration

Coal is not coming back. Getting rid of the clean power plan will not change that.

He has also gotten rid of necessary regulation. To name a few:

Requiring financial advisors to take the best interests of their clients into account

Is it really that hard to determine whether your financial advisor is looking out for you.

Requiring airlines to disclose fees on discount tickets

I never realized they didn't already do that. Plenty of websites already disclosed that information.

Letting coal companies put coal waste into rivers

They have never been allowed to put coal waste in rivers. Furthermore, I think you mean power companies. What Obama's regulations did is require power companies to take extraordinary measures that would have driven them out of business.

Allowing companies to require binding arbitration

Which companies?

Coal is not coming back. Getting rid of the clean power plan will not change that.

Coal will be in the mix for the forseable future.