Teacher Demands Her Students Deny the Existence of God

[sealybobo]

Public Schools are the devil.

You better believe it....I pity the children there

Yeah...imagine all those kids becoming educated...the devil.

No bodecea...that's not what I mean

I mean to deny the students deny the existence of GOD?

I prefer to be uneducated if that's how it's going to be.

And we know that is what happened? I did a little digging. DId you know that the teacher is a christian too? How do you know that the teacher even picked the assignment, that it isn't some common core mumble jumbo they have to teach concerning "critical thinking" now?

Not everyone who says they are a Christian is a Christian, Bodey. Do you have anything else?

True. Just look at Jeri here.

This story stinks. Has the odor of 'fake' all over it

I saw the movie. God is not dead. It sucked.

 

[Sherry]

If true, the teacher demonstrated poor judgment at the very least, and at worst abused her position of authority over children to threaten and intimidate them. She crossed a professional line if she went beyond expressing her beliefs and/or asking the students to volunteer their beliefs. Pressuring them to feel compelled to answer in a way to satisfy the teacher out of fear of retaliation is teaching little more than submission to people in power.

The key words being "if true". Seeing a link to something called "EAGNews" for me sends up an immediate red flag. Checking around for a genuine news source provided this from a local TV station, suggesting an exercise in thinking skills got somewhat embellished here.

"Yesterday, October 26, at the end of the school day, two West Memorial Junior High parents contacted the school's principal to share their concern over a classroom activity that they felt questioned students' religious beliefs. The school principal immediately responded to the parents by informing them that she would investigate and meet with the teacher the following morning. At the conclusion of the investigation today, the principal determined that the classroom activity included an item that was unnecessary for achieving the instructional standard. The activity, which was intended to encourage critical thinking skills and dialogue by engaging students in an exercise wherein they identified statements as fact, opinion, or common assertion was not intended to question or challenge any student's religious beliefs as reported by some media outlets.

The teacher is distraught by this incident, as some commentary has gone as far as to vilify her without knowing her, her Christian faith, or the context of the classroom activity. Still, this does not excuse the fact that this ungraded activity was ill-conceived and because of that, its intent had been misconstrued. As a result, the activity will no longer be used by the school, and appropriate personnel action will be taken. The school regrets any misconceptions that may have resulted from this teacher-developed classroom activity and assures its school community that the religious beliefs of all students and staff are welcomed and valued at Memorial Junior High."
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Methinks someone around this is playing loosely with facts.

Which is why I intentional began my post with those words. Regardless of her intent, I stand by my opinion that at the very least she exhibited poor judgment if she lacked the ability to consider the potential consequences of her lesson plan. I wouldn't give her a pass if she attempted to claim ignorance, because when she's entrusted with the overall well-being of her students, then she owes it to them to be more thoughtful.

And you were correct to lead off with that phrase, but I'm not convinced the lesson actually went anything like the way it's characterized in the OP's link, which is apparently a blog by an activist gadfly in Michigan who from what I read fancies himself a James O'Keefe type.

Lotta posts show up here from very murky websites simply on the basis that the poster found a story he'd like to be true but didn't bother to vet or find from a real news source. I'm not at all convinced we have any idea what went down especially as introduced by a biased source. Can't take these hair-on-fire stories at face value.

True, but taking it even as a hypothetical truth to debate, there are plenty of people who would still think those actions of a teacher were justified. I would clearly not be one of them, and I say that as a parent of one grown child and another in HS, as well as a former teacher.

I know you are, and I respect that. But for us to prattle on about a hypothetical story from a biased source serves no purpose. Right in between your post and my last one is yet another passerby who's taking it at face value. To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

I think facts are important, but I can see value in debating hypothetical scenarios. I didn't make assumptions about the truth, but I'm also aware that it has become more acceptable to espouse "radical" views. I just don't think that is the appropriate environment, but not everyone would agree.

 

[Pogo]

To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

And I bet the next post makes the same mistake....

Separation of Church and state. The teacher was wrong and should face the same discipline a teacher teaching religion would. Yes or no?

Did I call it, or what?

Gullible's Travels...

 

[Two Thumbs]

7 pages
all leftist are saying lets wait, those kids are probably lying, lets get the whole story, defend the teacher, defend the institution.

1 page, cop arrest teen girl
all leftist; kill the cop, fire him now, no I don't need the whole story, fuck him, riot.


yall funny


as in sick in the head funny.

bullying children and yall are cool with it even after pogo pulled up more facts proving she did it.

 

[Pogo]

The key words being "if true". Seeing a link to something called "EAGNews" for me sends up an immediate red flag. Checking around for a genuine news source provided this from a local TV station, suggesting an exercise in thinking skills got somewhat embellished here.

"Yesterday, October 26, at the end of the school day, two West Memorial Junior High parents contacted the school's principal to share their concern over a classroom activity that they felt questioned students' religious beliefs. The school principal immediately responded to the parents by informing them that she would investigate and meet with the teacher the following morning. At the conclusion of the investigation today, the principal determined that the classroom activity included an item that was unnecessary for achieving the instructional standard. The activity, which was intended to encourage critical thinking skills and dialogue by engaging students in an exercise wherein they identified statements as fact, opinion, or common assertion was not intended to question or challenge any student's religious beliefs as reported by some media outlets.

The teacher is distraught by this incident, as some commentary has gone as far as to vilify her without knowing her, her Christian faith, or the context of the classroom activity. Still, this does not excuse the fact that this ungraded activity was ill-conceived and because of that, its intent had been misconstrued. As a result, the activity will no longer be used by the school, and appropriate personnel action will be taken. The school regrets any misconceptions that may have resulted from this teacher-developed classroom activity and assures its school community that the religious beliefs of all students and staff are welcomed and valued at Memorial Junior High."
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Methinks someone around this is playing loosely with facts.

Which is why I intentional began my post with those words. Regardless of her intent, I stand by my opinion that at the very least she exhibited poor judgment if she lacked the ability to consider the potential consequences of her lesson plan. I wouldn't give her a pass if she attempted to claim ignorance, because when she's entrusted with the overall well-being of her students, then she owes it to them to be more thoughtful.

And you were correct to lead off with that phrase, but I'm not convinced the lesson actually went anything like the way it's characterized in the OP's link, which is apparently a blog by an activist gadfly in Michigan who from what I read fancies himself a James O'Keefe type.

Lotta posts show up here from very murky websites simply on the basis that the poster found a story he'd like to be true but didn't bother to vet or find from a real news source. I'm not at all convinced we have any idea what went down especially as introduced by a biased source. Can't take these hair-on-fire stories at face value.

True, but taking it even as a hypothetical truth to debate, there are plenty of people who would still think those actions of a teacher were justified. I would clearly not be one of them, and I say that as a parent of one grown child and another in HS, as well as a former teacher.

I know you are, and I respect that. But for us to prattle on about a hypothetical story from a biased source serves no purpose. Right in between your post and my last one is yet another passerby who's taking it at face value. To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

I think facts are important, but I can see value in debating hypothetical scenarios. I didn't make assumptions about the truth, but I'm also aware that it has become more acceptable to espouse "radical" views. I just don't think that is the appropriate environment, but not everyone would agree.

Of course analyzing hypotheticals has value. But they have to be understood as being hypotheticals. It's dishonest to present them as factual faits accompli. Which is IMO what the OP and his blog link did here. Now we've got disinformation poisoning the discoursosphere.

Once again it's cleanup on aisle 4. Sigh.

 

[mudwhistle]

Today I was given an assignment in school that questioned my faith and told me that God was not real. Our teacher had started off saying that the assignment had been giving problems all day. We were asked to take a poll to say whether God is fact, opinion or a myth and she told anyone who said fact or opinion was wrong and God was only a myth,” Wooley told board members,” according to EAG News.


The teacher “started telling kids they were completely wrong and that when kids argued we were told we would get in trouble. When I tried to argue, she told me to prove it, and I tried to reference things such as the Bible and stories I have read before from people who have died and went to heaven but came back and told their stories, and she told me both were just things people were doing to get attention.”

“I know it wasn’t just me who was affected by it. My friend, she went home and started crying. She was supposed to come with me but she didn’t know if she could” because she was so upset, Wooley said.”

The march of radical Marxist ass holes has only just begun. This is just a start, much worse is yet to come.

Any chance there was a larger point to it than simply attacking kids' religious faith? Faith should be tested. Easy to have faith if no one ever disagrees with you about it, but what kind of faith is that?

It's a case of simple child-abuse.

Why don't they just waterboard them while they're at it.

 

[Sherry]

Which is why I intentional began my post with those words. Regardless of her intent, I stand by my opinion that at the very least she exhibited poor judgment if she lacked the ability to consider the potential consequences of her lesson plan. I wouldn't give her a pass if she attempted to claim ignorance, because when she's entrusted with the overall well-being of her students, then she owes it to them to be more thoughtful.

And you were correct to lead off with that phrase, but I'm not convinced the lesson actually went anything like the way it's characterized in the OP's link, which is apparently a blog by an activist gadfly in Michigan who from what I read fancies himself a James O'Keefe type.

Lotta posts show up here from very murky websites simply on the basis that the poster found a story he'd like to be true but didn't bother to vet or find from a real news source. I'm not at all convinced we have any idea what went down especially as introduced by a biased source. Can't take these hair-on-fire stories at face value.

True, but taking it even as a hypothetical truth to debate, there are plenty of people who would still think those actions of a teacher were justified. I would clearly not be one of them, and I say that as a parent of one grown child and another in HS, as well as a former teacher.

I know you are, and I respect that. But for us to prattle on about a hypothetical story from a biased source serves no purpose. Right in between your post and my last one is yet another passerby who's taking it at face value. To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

I think facts are important, but I can see value in debating hypothetical scenarios. I didn't make assumptions about the truth, but I'm also aware that it has become more acceptable to espouse "radical" views. I just don't think that is the appropriate environment, but not everyone would agree.

Of course analyzing hypotheticals has value. But they have to be understood as being hypotheticals It's dishonest to present them as factual faits accompli. Which is IMO what the OP and his blog link did here. Now we've got disinformation poisoning the discoursosphere.

Once again it's cleanup on aisle 4. Sigh.

Both sides are guilty of being more interested in defending an agenda, rather than discussing perspectives.

 

[Pogo]

And you were correct to lead off with that phrase, but I'm not convinced the lesson actually went anything like the way it's characterized in the OP's link, which is apparently a blog by an activist gadfly in Michigan who from what I read fancies himself a James O'Keefe type.

Lotta posts show up here from very murky websites simply on the basis that the poster found a story he'd like to be true but didn't bother to vet or find from a real news source. I'm not at all convinced we have any idea what went down especially as introduced by a biased source. Can't take these hair-on-fire stories at face value.

True, but taking it even as a hypothetical truth to debate, there are plenty of people who would still think those actions of a teacher were justified. I would clearly not be one of them, and I say that as a parent of one grown child and another in HS, as well as a former teacher.

I know you are, and I respect that. But for us to prattle on about a hypothetical story from a biased source serves no purpose. Right in between your post and my last one is yet another passerby who's taking it at face value. To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

I think facts are important, but I can see value in debating hypothetical scenarios. I didn't make assumptions about the truth, but I'm also aware that it has become more acceptable to espouse "radical" views. I just don't think that is the appropriate environment, but not everyone would agree.

Of course analyzing hypotheticals has value. But they have to be understood as being hypotheticals It's dishonest to present them as factual faits accompli. Which is IMO what the OP and his blog link did here. Now we've got disinformation poisoning the discoursosphere.

Once again it's cleanup on aisle 4. Sigh.

Both sides are guilty of being more interested in defending an agenda, rather than discussing perspectives.

Sadly, in the main you are correct, at least as regards this place.

 

[Alex.]

"In a statement the district said, "The school regrets any misconceptions that may have resulted from this teacher-developed classroom activity and assures its school community that the religious beliefs of all students and staff are welcomed and valued at Memorial Junior High."

"She should never have to stand up and defend her faith to get a good grade," Chantel said."

Student says teacher asked class to deny God exists

I would not mind such an assignment nothing has ever shaken my faith or beliefs, but I do understand why the people would be upset. This has no place in school.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

And I bet the next post makes the same mistake....

Separation of Church and state. The teacher was wrong and should face the same discipline a teacher teaching religion would. Yes or no?

Did I call it, or what?

Gullible's Travels...

Fuck off butthole. I responded to a thread topic. I rarely click on a link as it takes me out of Usmb and I have to log in again...everytime. What is your fucking issue? It is plausible, especially in light of today's liberal teachers.

 

[Pogo]

To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

And I bet the next post makes the same mistake....

Separation of Church and state. The teacher was wrong and should face the same discipline a teacher teaching religion would. Yes or no?

Did I call it, or what?

Gullible's Travels...

Fuck off butthole. I responded to a thread topic. I rarely click on a link as it takes me out of Usmb and I have to log in again...everytime. What is your fucking issue? It is plausible, especially in light of today's liberal teachers.

See what I mean Sherry?

Sorry IA but "it's plausible" doesn't make it an actual event. If you're taking OPs at face value, especially from guys with a legacy like this one has, you deserve where it leads you. Nobody is entitled to their own facts.

As far as clicking links I have no idea why you'd have to log back in but I get around that USMB redirect by right-clicking on the link and using "open in new tab". That skips the step of that PITA USMB redirect page to the same thing. Maybe that will bypass your log-in issue. HTH.

 

[Alex.]

To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

And I bet the next post makes the same mistake....

Separation of Church and state. The teacher was wrong and should face the same discipline a teacher teaching religion would. Yes or no?

Did I call it, or what?

Gullible's Travels...

Fuck off butthole. I responded to a thread topic. I rarely click on a link as it takes me out of Usmb and I have to log in again...everytime. What is your fucking issue? It is plausible, especially in light of today's liberal teachers.

See what I mean Sherry?

Sorry IA but "it's plausible" doesn't make it an actual event. If you're taking OPs at face value, especially from guys with a legacy like this one has, you deserve where it leads you. Nobody is entitled to their own facts.

As far as clicking links I have no idea why you'd have to log back in but I get around that USMB redirect by right-clicking on the link and using "open in new tab". That skips the step of that PITA USMB redirect page to the same thing. Maybe that will bypass your log-in issue. HTH.

The story has been multi sourced and it real.. Once again I have corrected your perspective.

 

[Pogo]

To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

And I bet the next post makes the same mistake....

Separation of Church and state. The teacher was wrong and should face the same discipline a teacher teaching religion would. Yes or no?

Did I call it, or what?

Gullible's Travels...

Fuck off butthole. I responded to a thread topic. I rarely click on a link as it takes me out of Usmb and I have to log in again...everytime. What is your fucking issue? It is plausible, especially in light of today's liberal teachers.

See what I mean Sherry?

Sorry IA but "it's plausible" doesn't make it an actual event. If you're taking OPs at face value, especially from guys with a legacy like this one has, you deserve where it leads you. Nobody is entitled to their own facts.

As far as clicking links I have no idea why you'd have to log back in but I get around that USMB redirect by right-clicking on the link and using "open in new tab". That skips the step of that PITA USMB redirect page to the same thing. Maybe that will bypass your log-in issue. HTH.

The story has been multi sourced and it real.. Once again I have corrected your perspective.

Once again you have polished your own mirror. Good job Danth. Wanna cookie?

The poster above just admitted he didn't even read the OP article, let alone any others.
You gonna need more mirrors.

 

[Alex.]

To me that's a bigger concern -- that so many are so willing to swallow what fits their agenda before even bothering to suss the story out or bothering to cast the vaguest suspicion that the story might not be what it purports to be.

And I bet the next post makes the same mistake....

Separation of Church and state. The teacher was wrong and should face the same discipline a teacher teaching religion would. Yes or no?

Did I call it, or what?

Gullible's Travels...

Fuck off butthole. I responded to a thread topic. I rarely click on a link as it takes me out of Usmb and I have to log in again...everytime. What is your fucking issue? It is plausible, especially in light of today's liberal teachers.

See what I mean Sherry?

Sorry IA but "it's plausible" doesn't make it an actual event. If you're taking OPs at face value, especially from guys with a legacy like this one has, you deserve where it leads you. Nobody is entitled to their own facts.

As far as clicking links I have no idea why you'd have to log back in but I get around that USMB redirect by right-clicking on the link and using "open in new tab". That skips the step of that PITA USMB redirect page to the same thing. Maybe that will bypass your log-in issue. HTH.

The story has been multi sourced and it real.. Once again I have corrected your perspective.

Once again you have polished your own mirror. Good job Danth. Wanna cookie?

Wussy Pogo cries like wussy pogo.

 

[Pogo]

Poor Danth. Went to the Danth marathon, can't find a partner...

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[Political Junky]

A good lesson for those who want to bring back prayer to school

Yep, equal time.

 

[Two Thumbs]

pogo is still bitching that the op lied
even after he posted a link that proved the op didn't lie

but still keeps acting like it didn't happen

just like the rest of the leftist filth that are ok with a teacher bullying children


you filth are pure evil, not a single ounce of good in any of you any more.

 

[bodecea]

"In a statement the district said, "The school regrets any misconceptions that may have resulted from this teacher-developed classroom activity and assures its school community that the religious beliefs of all students and staff are welcomed and valued at Memorial Junior High."

"She should never have to stand up and defend her faith to get a good grade," Chantel said."

Student says teacher asked class to deny God exists

I would not mind such an assignment nothing has ever shaken my faith or beliefs, but I do understand why the people would be upset. This has no place in school.

If the school district and the teacher's principal took care of this...why is the girl coming up to give a speech to the school board? Why is it being bandied about the internet?

 

[rightwinger]

A good lesson for those who want to bring back prayer to school

Prayer never left school, R.W.. There are students that pray at school every single day across America. The teachers might not pray in front of their students but there is still prayer in school. To remove prayer from school you'd have to first remove every single believer in Jesus Christ from school property. I have yet to see that happen.

note - If I am not mistaken the Muslim students are given a room to pray in at school during school hours.

Very true...it was never an issue of whether students could pray to themselves but whether a teacher could lead them in prayer

Notice the outrage when a teacher tells them there is no God?

If they were not outraged I'd be surprised, R.W.. The entire assignment was inappropriate. The teacher should be fired. She is obviously not qualified to teach.

As usual

Once the smoke clears, I predict this will turn out to be just another misrepresentaion of the actual assignment and purpose by the right wing.

But it is nice seeing the outrage when God is challenged in public schools rather than forcing children to accept God

 

[Alex.]

"In a statement the district said, "The school regrets any misconceptions that may have resulted from this teacher-developed classroom activity and assures its school community that the religious beliefs of all students and staff are welcomed and valued at Memorial Junior High."

"She should never have to stand up and defend her faith to get a good grade," Chantel said."

Student says teacher asked class to deny God exists

I would not mind such an assignment nothing has ever shaken my faith or beliefs, but I do understand why the people would be upset. This has no place in school.

If the school district and the teacher's principal took care of this...why is the girl coming up to give a speech to the school board? Why is it being bandied about the internet?

Because people have nothing better to do.