Televise All School Classes

[SweetSue92]

I honestly see both sides of this.

I do think video recording of classrooms should be done, but it should only be viewable by the parents in closed meetings.

It annoys be that it isn't allowed by Teachers Unions.

When I see unauthorized videos, or hear recorded conversations of abuse by teachers on students that are ADHD or Neuroatypical, because the teachers are either poorly trained, or just lazy? And then, in conference, let off easy, till such recordings are released by the kids?

. . .it really, really steams me.

Bullying always begins with the teachers and staff, the kids just mimic and repeat what the adults intimate.


. . . and of course, we have all seen and heard about unorthodox teaching methods which conflict with values taught at home. . .


Bullying ALWAYS starts with the teachers, staff, etc.

. . . and of course, so does indoctrination.

The Teacher's Unions are like any other labor Union......they seek to codify bad behavior because it's the only way they can mange and maintain a sizeable membership. If they started to require actual performance they wouldn't have many members.

JO

When I was in seventh grade, I took a typing class. . . I can still type about 45 wpm.

So. . . when my kid has a chance to take a typing class in sixth grade, I was thrilled, made him take it.

About half-way through, he was still hunting for letters, and using one finger to hit them, the "hunt and peck" method.

I was thinking, wtf?! And he was getting an "A" in that class.

Well. . . when the parent teacher conference came. . I had a chat with her.

She let me know, it wasn't how the kids got the assignments done that mattered, only that they got them done.


?!?!

Worst teacher ever. I complained to the administration, but nothing was ever done. What a waste of my kids time.

Later in High School, he had that teacher again. Some administrative class, where she basically watched the kids read books & do homework (study hall) when they didn't have work to do on their future college planning. . . IOW? They couldn't fire her for incompetence, so they shuffled her around where she could do the least damage.

Let me ask you something. What is the end game here?

Should we take to the streets and demand the dismantling of education like Leftists did with police? Okay. Right NOW we can't get teachers. You think the B team is gonna be better?

Do you want acknowledgment that some teachers suck? Okay. Yes. Some teachers suck. Some coaches suck. Some cops suck.

I'm just never sure what to do with these anecdotes. You ever had a bad doctor? I have had scads, and great doctors too. Should I tell every great doctor I ever meet about all the horrid doctors I ever had? Same with every profession?

Again: what's the end goal?

Well. . . I don't really know for sure.

In may state. . Proposal A was a great first step.

When I was a kid, we had no choice about what school we had to go to. Now, if I thought my kid's school was really bad? And there were times. . . His mom and I had a conversation with him in, it was either fifth or sixth grade about switching him to a school that was recognized as one of those National Exemplary Schools back in '02. It consistently ranks as one of the nation's finest, I graduated from it, and one of the State's leading politicians did too. . . so, there was that choice available. It was a long and heated debate. We ended up not b/c the one nearby offered free college credits and bus rides to the local college for a head start on his college education for free, it was the right choice.

But? the point is, we HAVE that choice now.

In your analogy with the doctor. . . you have choice, it is NOT compulsory to go to a doctor.

It IS compulsory to be educated by STATE standards. Whenever the STATE intervenes? Things go to shit.

When ever you infuse more choice, and make things voluntary, the market makes things better.

Now, there will be those that say, the poor will not send their kid to school if it is not the law, hence increasing crime, and all sorts of other societal ills. I'm not sure I agree with that. The poor love their kids just as much as the well off, and they will always look for the best options available to them.

If that State provides these services for free, and provides them in a paradigm that is similar to how we provide weapons of war? We might have a better system than we do now.

Our state Senator, (A Democrat, Stabenow, was the one that worked with a Republican Governor, Engler on the historic Compromise.)

The Devos family is very invested in private schools. . . but, they might have had some interest in the charter school movement, so I was hoping, if the DNC hadn't been so bull headed, and if Trump had gotten to all of his other priorities, we would have had some national school reform, with Stabenow's experience and willingness to compromise. . . but. . . sigh, another lost opportunity.

The day Michigan killed public schools (and then created the system we have today)​

The day Michigan killed public schools (and then created the system we have today)

If you’re like me and you know just a little bit about the history of education in Michigan, you might already know that a lot of what we see in our…

stateofopportunity.michiganradio.org

". . .By that summer, Engler, his allies and his opponents still hadn’t come up with a solution that would save Michigan’s schools from the kinds of problems that brought down Kalkaska.

After a more balanced plan was turned down by the state’s voters in June, Engler proposed a dramatic step. He asked the Legislature to approve a 20% cut in the state’s property taxes without offering any way to recoup the lost revenue.

Then came the big day when everything changed.

It was July 19, 1993. Legislators were debating Engler’s proposed 20% property tax cut. Democrats opposed it. But one Democrat saw opportunity. Then state Sen. Debbie Stabenow, who had already declared her intention to run for governor, offered an amendment to Engler’s proposal. Rather than a 20% cut in property taxes, Stabenow proposed a 100% cut.

For an account of what happened next, we’ll switch from Goenner’s thesis to a paper published by two University of Michigan researchers in the Journal of Policy Analysis and Management in 1997. In this paper, Paul N. Courant and Susanna Loeb wrote:

At the time, Stabenow’s move was widely interpreted as an attempt on her part to show how silly it was to cut taxes without specifying new revenues for the schools. If that was its purpose, it backfired. The Senate passed the amended bill the same day, the House followed a day later, and the governor immediately announced that he would sign the bill. With little debate the state had eliminated $6.5 billion in school taxes for the 1994-1995 school year. Absent further action, there would be no way to finance the public schools.

In other words, in the span of one day, Michigan leaders had decided to completely defund public schools.

The entire situation was a manufactured crisis, but without it, we wouldn’t have the education system we have today.. . . "

fwiw I believe in school choice 100%.

 

[SweetSue92]

any teacher stabbings by students occur in a year? 1, 5, 10? How many? Your imagination is running away with you again.

How many other forms of assault?

How many violent confrontations are avoided by giving in to the students?

As I said there seems to be a link between how children are treated and the intolerance of ideas they have after reaching college

Rather than being open minded academia breeds closed minded little liberals

I am replying to YOUR comment. "Completely clueless" does not begin to describe most people on this message board who are not educators. They base their opinions on how schools were 20, 30, or even longer ago, in their little white bread suburban life and none of that has any bearing on today.

The biggest story of my entire time in high school in the 70s was a student who took a swing at our JROTC instructor, who had been an F-4 Phantom squadron commander in the Air Force in Vietnam.

I became a teacher after my Navy career ended in the 90s, and had probably many incidents similar to this, especially when I became an Assistant Principal and broke up fights on a daily basis.

The OP thinks he's gonna keep kinders in desks in rows for the entire school day, when we have kinders who are "elopers"--that is, they run out of their classroom and out of the school into the neighborhood. And by state law, because people JUST LIKE HIM "do not trust teachers", we *cannot touch the children*.

That's right, we have to just....run after them. And yell, stop! Stop!

These people would not last ten minutes in my job. Not ten.

Actually “people just like him” - conservatives - were for corporal punishment within reason, and its liberals who introduced mayhem into the classroom

What we want to see now with cameras is what sort of lib lies the teachers are filling the childrens heads with

Such as but not limited to this:

Corporal punishment in schools is not and never, ever should have been a conservative position. Are you kidding me.

You really are advocating for government employees to lay hands on your children?

Pick a side here. Either the gov't is grand and know what they're doing to the extent you authorize them to lay hands on your children OR

They are so terrible you need to monitor, LITERALLY, their every word

 

[Mac-7]

really are advocating for government employees to lay hands on your children?

It used to be common place

If the female teacher could not control a student in her class he was sent to the asst principle to get swatted with a paddle

But that was in a more civilized and safer era before mass school shootings

 

[Mac-7]

They are so terrible you need to monitor, LITERALLY, their every word

You confuse the two

Students need to learn respect for their teachers

Someday it will be their boss or the police on the streets who carry guns

Or they will be the parents whose duty is to raise their children to respect authority

Otoh we or at least I dont want them turned into flag-hating faggots who riot and burn in the streets when they dont get their way

Cameras in the classrooms will help tp prevent that

 

[protectionist]

Why? To catch a misspeak?
The reason why I don't question my roof inspector, is because I don't know as much as them. If I want a second opinion I will get it. I'm a 36 year experienced Teacher.
I know my CONTENT. Not debatable.
I despise OUTSIDERS like you suggesting "Anything" about education.

And I despise idiots like you who come into an important thread like this, clueless about what we're talking about. Try reading the OP, so you know what the TOPIC is, (CRT), and don't say dumb things like >> "Why? To catch a misspeak?"

And if you tell us that you DID read the OP, that will make you twice as dumb.

This is not about YOUR CONTENT, whatever that is. It is about CRT.

And when it comes to CRT, and kids being indoctrinated by harebrained school administrators and teachers, NOBODY is an outsider". Remember that. Don't ever forget that. This is a huge issue that is already affecting our whole society, as we see young goofballs "schooled" in CRT, in Democrat cities, running wild, rioting, and thinking they are somehow enacting social justice.

 

[protectionist]

Every time. I say this as as conservative. They suck on educational issues, generally.

According to your definition of "suck", which so far doesn't look too impressive.

 

[protectionist]

Interesting to note that the OP wants kindergarteners sitting in desks in rows, not getting out of their seats, never interrupting the teacher's lectures. Yes, five year olds. So now imagine a school like THAT in light of your link above.
Right.

I can easily imagine it. All I have to do is think back to when I was 5 years old in the first grade, and recall my classroom, and the ones of the other first grade classes. Right.

 

[protectionist]

Nothing like Big Brother watching – the Orwellian, authoritarian right would love nothing more: compel conformity, punish dissent.

Not all "compelling conformity and punishing dissent" is "Big Brother" Orwellian. All of our laws are conformity being compelled, and punishment when they are not abided by.

So maybe you would like to do away with all our laws ?

 

[protectionist]

You likely make most women vomit.

You are being more destructive to yourself here, than to me. Sad.

 

[candycorn]

You likely make most women vomit.

You are being more destructive to yourself here, than to me. Sad.

Highlighting that you're a sick fuck doesn't injure me in the least.

 

[protectionist]

The Teacher's Unions are like any other labor Union......they seek to codify bad behavior because it's the only way they can mange and maintain a sizeable membership. If they started to require actual performance they wouldn't have many members.

JO

Besides that teacher's unions have nothing to say if/whenever televised classes were to become THE LAW.

 

[protectionist]

Highlighting that you're a sick fuck doesn't injure me in the least.

That's what YOU're doing, whether you know it or not. You'd love to have a date with me. You know it. But you can't, because you're what....250 pounds ?

 

[protectionist]

WOW....you're really big on getting those kids all alone aren't you? Now why is that exactly?

It sure makes us wonder what these teachers are doing, and saying, that they are so insistent on not being seen/heard/supervised. Who the hell works a job, and doesn't get seen or heard by anyone ? (except young kids)

I worked as a mechanical inspector and engineer, for years, in high tech companies and machine shops. My work was always seen and supervised, and I never had a problem with that. Anybody could see me work and they usually did.

 

[protectionist]

And guess what: you really do not want a gov institution spilling private stuff about other people's children. Do you?
Really?
Cause I don't. You're just not entitled to it.

Bullshit. I thing everybody is entitled to see and hear what's going on in the public school classrooms, especially in light of the extreme lengths that lunatic liberals have gone in pushing CRT.

And public schools are just that > Public (not private), and paid for by the public. These are OUR schools, and our supervision of them is apparently long overdue.

 

[protectionist]

Summarize our objections to having our classrooms televised and/or recorded. Can you? And do so honestly?

Summary of your objection - you want to be able to say whatever you want without being accountable for it. And you want what nobody else has on their job - absence of supervision.. Ho hum.

 

[protectionist]

If you have read the thread you know that is impossible. Why do you and others keep proposing solutions that do not and cannot exist?

It is more important to keep CRT out of the classroom than to insure that kids' voices are not heard. The camera can be away from the kids. They can be kept off camera.
Good post Hossfly.

 

[protectionist]

I am replying to YOUR comment. "Completely clueless" does not begin to describe most people on this message board who are not educators. They base their opinions on how schools were 20, 30, or even longer ago, in their little white bread suburban life and none of that has any bearing on today.

The biggest story of my entire time in high school in the 70s was a student who took a swing at our JROTC instructor, who had been an F-4 Phantom squadron commander in the Air Force in Vietnam.

I became a teacher after my Navy career ended in the 90s, and had probably many incidents similar to this, especially when I became an Assistant Principal and broke up fights on a daily basis.

The scenarios you describe are atrocious, but they are that way because the schools are ALLOWING them to be that way. If any kid were to attack, or even verbally threaten, a teacher, he should be removed from the class, and taken to JAIL.

If half the class acts like this, then half the class should go to jail too. Period. Then when order is restored, you go back to the business of educating kids (without CRT).

PS - we don't need to get a synopsis of your life story.

 

[protectionist]

The OP thinks he's gonna keep kinders in desks in rows for the entire school day, when we have kinders who are "elopers"--that is, they run out of their classroom and out of the school into the neighborhood. And by state law, because people JUST LIKE HIM "do not trust teachers", we *cannot touch the children*.

That's right, we have to just....run after them. And yell, stop! Stop!

These people would not last ten minutes in my job. Not ten.

Kids running out of a classroom is really off topic. I don't know why you would run after a kid (please don't tell us), but it is what is being taught INSIDE the classroom that is the topic of this thread.

 

[protectionist]

Maybe anyone in the universe could explain to me how *only the teacher* could be voice recorded

Oh, right, from the billions of extra dollars public schools have, someone in each school could sit around for hours a day and EDIT OUT every single student voice in every single classroom in every public school in every town all across the USA

This entire thread is insane

Nothing needs to be edited. Just have the camera on the teacher, not the kids, If the kids' voices are heard, that might be helpful in determining what the teachers' responses and interactions should be, I see no big deal about the kids' voices being heard, and certainly not in comparison to them being fed a steady diet of CRT.

Getting CRT out of the classroom, and keeping it out, and keeping apprised of what teachers are teaching, is what is important here. And the last thing we should be concerned about, is a bunch of spoiled teachers expecting to have privacy from supervision. I couldn't think of a worse place for privacy to exist.

 

[protectionist]

Teachers don't set the agenda, the State Boards of Education do.

Teachers teach an agenda, plus what they themselves want to teach. Doesn't matter who sets agenda. If the agenda is CRT, GET RID OF IT.