The Bible, the only way to heaven

[Bass v 2.0]

and yet I manage too keep from using the state to force my beliefs down your throat. Imagine that.

check mate, baba.

As if voting for Prop 8 would be the Christian thing to do. Why should Christians have the beliefs of immoral sodomites shoved down their throats?

Already addressed, it's wrong that you see it as such, it's no more valid than saying Christmas is shoving christianity down our throats ...

Shogun's dumb position is that voting against Prop 8 is un-Christian because its forcing beliefs down people's throats[which it is not, it wasn't only religious people who voted against Prop 8, but Shogun somehow ignored this], but he has yet to explain how voting for it is the Christian thing to do in spite of the fact that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Shogun wants people to be unfaithful hypocrites to their religious beliefs to grant wht he feels are equal rights to people, that is about as un-Christian as one can be, Christians never put the cares and concerns of this world before God and His Word.

 

[KittenKoder]

As if voting for Prop 8 would be the Christian thing to do. Why should Christians have the beliefs of immoral sodomites shoved down their throats?

Already addressed, it's wrong that you see it as such, it's no more valid than saying Christmas is shoving christianity down our throats ...

Shogun's dumb position is that voting against Prop 8 is un-Christian because its forcing beliefs down people's throats[which it is not, it wasn't only religious people who voted against Prop 8, but Shogun somehow ignored this], but he has yet to explain how voting for it is the Christian thing to do in spite of the fact that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Shogun wants people to be unfaithful hypocrites to their religious beliefs to grant wht he feels are equal rights to people, that is about as un-Christian as one can be, Christians never put the cares and concerns of this world before God and His Word.

1. Shogun doesn't speak for all, so that's a complete assumption.

2. Not everyone agrees that your beliefs are the one, most people in the world actually doesn't think they are close to true.

3. Saying something is allowed by law does not force anyone to agree with it nor force anyone to participate in it.

Try again if you want, but you are still failing.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

1. Shogun doesn't speak for all, so that's a complete assumption.

Um, the Bass was addressing Shogun specifically, not everyone, get the facts straight

2. Not everyone agrees that your beliefs are the one, most people in the world actually doesn't think they are close to true.

because people don't believe it doesn't mean its not the truth.

3. Saying something is allowed by law does not force anyone to agree with it nor force anyone to participate in it.

Whatever you vote for, you agree with it, just like with abortion, if you vote for that you must agree with it, if not why the hell would you vote for something you don't agree with and support? That makes no damn sense, if the Bass were to vote for gay marriage he would obviously have to agree with it and support it.

 

[KittenKoder]

1. Shogun doesn't speak for all, so that's a complete assumption.

Um, the Bass was addressing Shogun specifically, not everyone, get the facts straight

2. Not everyone agrees that your beliefs are the one, most people in the world actually doesn't think they are close to true.

because people don't believe it doesn't mean its not the truth.

3. Saying something is allowed by law does not force anyone to agree with it nor force anyone to participate in it.

Whatever you vote for, you agree with it, just like with abortion, if you vote for that you must agree with it, if not why the hell would you vote for something you don't agree with and support? That makes no damn sense, if the Bass were to vote for gay marriage he would obviously have to agree with it and support it.

Just because some people do believe in it doesn't mean it's truth.

As for your other point, then don't vote for it ... but if it passes and becomes law it is not "forcing it on you" as you stated. You like your right to vote how you want, so, let other people vote how they want and live with the result like everyone does. Seattle did vote, we have civil unions and soon marriage will be taken out of laws completely, civil unions for all, marriage only being something the churches deal with. It was agreed by a majority of the voters, and those who don't like it don't whine about it here.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

1. Shogun doesn't speak for all, so that's a complete assumption.

Um, the Bass was addressing Shogun specifically, not everyone, get the facts straight



because people don't believe it doesn't mean its not the truth.

3. Saying something is allowed by law does not force anyone to agree with it nor force anyone to participate in it.

Whatever you vote for, you agree with it, just like with abortion, if you vote for that you must agree with it, if not why the hell would you vote for something you don't agree with and support? That makes no damn sense, if the Bass were to vote for gay marriage he would obviously have to agree with it and support it.

Just because some people do believe in it doesn't mean it's truth.

As for your other point, then don't vote for it ... but if it passes and becomes law it is not "forcing it on you" as you stated. You like your right to vote how you want, so, let other people vote how they want and live with the result like everyone does. Seattle did vote, we have civil unions and soon marriage will be taken out of laws completely, civil unions for all, marriage only being something the churches deal with. It was agreed by a majority of the voters, and those who don't like it don't whine about it here.

The people of California have voted on the issue of gay marriage, the majority voted against it so what the hell are you yapping about, you and Shogun to be exact?

 

[KittenKoder]

Um, the Bass was addressing Shogun specifically, not everyone, get the facts straight



because people don't believe it doesn't mean its not the truth.



Whatever you vote for, you agree with it, just like with abortion, if you vote for that you must agree with it, if not why the hell would you vote for something you don't agree with and support? That makes no damn sense, if the Bass were to vote for gay marriage he would obviously have to agree with it and support it.

Just because some people do believe in it doesn't mean it's truth.

As for your other point, then don't vote for it ... but if it passes and becomes law it is not "forcing it on you" as you stated. You like your right to vote how you want, so, let other people vote how they want and live with the result like everyone does. Seattle did vote, we have civil unions and soon marriage will be taken out of laws completely, civil unions for all, marriage only being something the churches deal with. It was agreed by a majority of the voters, and those who don't like it don't whine about it here.

The people of California have voted on the issue of gay marriage, the majority voted against it so what the hell are you yapping about, you and Shogun to be exact?

There you go again, making assumptions that somehow everyone who disagrees with you is the same. I don't care, I don't live in California and I doubt it will stay that way much longer anyway. Hell, I think marriage should have no legal rights or benefits and there should be no legal contract involved in any way. If you don't want it to be effected by the law then take it out of the law completely.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Just because some people do believe in it doesn't mean it's truth.

As for your other point, then don't vote for it ... but if it passes and becomes law it is not "forcing it on you" as you stated. You like your right to vote how you want, so, let other people vote how they want and live with the result like everyone does. Seattle did vote, we have civil unions and soon marriage will be taken out of laws completely, civil unions for all, marriage only being something the churches deal with. It was agreed by a majority of the voters, and those who don't like it don't whine about it here.

The people of California have voted on the issue of gay marriage, the majority voted against it so what the hell are you yapping about, you and Shogun to be exact?

There you go again, making assumptions that somehow everyone who disagrees with you is the same. I don't care, I don't live in California and I doubt it will stay that way much longer anyway. Hell, I think marriage should have no legal rights or benefits and there should be no legal contract involved in any way. If you don't want it to be effected by the law then take it out of the law completely.

Its the gays that want gay marriage to be a law or legal, not Christians, aim your attacks at the right people.

 

[KittenKoder]

The people of California have voted on the issue of gay marriage, the majority voted against it so what the hell are you yapping about, you and Shogun to be exact?

There you go again, making assumptions that somehow everyone who disagrees with you is the same. I don't care, I don't live in California and I doubt it will stay that way much longer anyway. Hell, I think marriage should have no legal rights or benefits and there should be no legal contract involved in any way. If you don't want it to be effected by the law then take it out of the law completely.

Its the gays that want gay marriage to be a law or legal, not Christians, aim your attacks at the right people.

*rae* Do you have reading comprehension problems?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

There you go again, making assumptions that somehow everyone who disagrees with you is the same. I don't care, I don't live in California and I doubt it will stay that way much longer anyway. Hell, I think marriage should have no legal rights or benefits and there should be no legal contract involved in any way. If you don't want it to be effected by the law then take it out of the law completely.

Its the gays that want gay marriage to be a law or legal, not Christians, aim your attacks at the right people.

*rae* Do you have reading comprehension problems?

maybe its you with the problem because the Bass' position is clearly justified and supported, Shogun's isn't. One should *NOT* have to betray their religion in order not to seen as being a zealot. Christians follow and live by the Bible, not whats socially acceptable by a select group of people. having this position does not make one a zealot who is forcing his beliefs on other people.

 

[Shogun]

Shogun, you truly do live in an alternate universe. Once again, you've gone off the deep end, proved nothing and yet strut around declaring yourself the victor. Of what, nobody but you can possibly know.

hey, if talking shit instead of quoting scripture works for YOUR faith then so be it.. but that pretty much illustrates my point, doesn't it?

 

[Shogun]

"Thousands of cuneiform tablets have been found in different places in the middle east which date to the time covered in Genesis. One large cache of tablets was found at Tel Mardikh in Syria. These tablets are from the Empire of Ebla dating from around 2,000 BC. They confirm many details found in the Biblical stories about the Patriarchs."

"A. Recent excavations in eastern Egypt have found Israelite style houses which were built during the time before the Exodus.

B. An Egyptian monument called the Mereneptah Stela dating from 1210 BC describes an Egyptian invasion of Canaan. Israel is mentioned as being one of the nations defeated. This proves that Israel existed as a nation in Palestine during the period of the judges.

C. Excavation of ancient Philistine temples revealed an amazing detail. The structures were so built that two columns standing close together supported much of the weight of the building. It was determined that pushing them over would cause the whole temple to collapse. How did the writer of Judges 16:23-30 know that?"

A. Fortifications believed to have been built by king Saul have been found at the cite of ancient Gibeah, confirming 1 Samuel 10:26.

B. The water shaft through which David was able to make a surprise attack on Jerusalem, 2 Samuel 5:6-8, has been found.

C. Remains of a palace built during the period of David's reign have been found in the ancient part of Jerusalem. The stone carvings are of definite Phoenician design. This would appear to confirm 2 Samuel 5:9-11.

D. The very existence of David has been verified by a recent find. Part of a monument was found at Tel Dan in 1993 which refers to the "house of David" and "King of Israel".

E. While no extra-Biblical references have been found which mention Solomon, a series of archaeological discoveries point to his existence. 1 Kings 9:15 says that Solomon built fortified walls around Hazor, Megiddo, and Gezer. Strong walls and elaborate gates of the same pattern have been found in each of these cities which date to the time of Solomon.

A. The invasion of Shishak recorded in 1 Kings 14:25-26 is verified by an Egyptian wall relief found in Karnak, Egypt.

B. Ahab's house of ivory and the pool of Samaria where they washed his chariot have been found , 1 Kings 22:38-39.

C. The Moabite stone is a monument that was carved by Mesha, king of Moab, in 850 BC. It confirms most of the Biblical story recorded in 2 Kings 3:4-27. It specifically refers to David, Omri, and several of the cities listed in the Bible.

D. The Black Obelisk is an Assyrian monument dating to 840 BC. It pictures Jehu, king of Israel, bowing and paying tribute to the king of Assyria. The reign of Jehu is described in 2 Kings 9-10.

E. Isaiah 20:1 says Sargon, king of Assyria, captured Ashdod. Absence of confirming evidence caused skeptics to question the existence of Sargon for many years. But then his palace was discovered in 1843 and a victory stela commemorating his victory over Ashdod was discovered in the ruins of Ashdod itself in 1963.

F. 2 Kings 18:13-19:37 describes the invasion of Judah by Sennacherib, king of Assyria. Many of the details of this story have been remarkably verified by archaeological discoveries. The Assyrian siege of Lachish has been verified by excavations and a large relief found in Sennacherib's palace. The fact that Sennacherib was unable to take Jerusalem is verified by his own account recorded on a monument known as the Taylor Prism which dates to 689 BC. The Bible records that Sennacherib was murdered by his own son, 2 Kings 19:37. This fact was verified when a clay tablet was found in the royal archives of Nineveh giving the same account.

G. Details of the invasion of Judah by Nebuchadnezzar mentioned by Jeremiah in Jeremiah 34:7 have been dramatically verified. Letters written on Ostraca were found in the ruins of Lachish which were written to the commader of Lachish from another outpost in the fight. The letters specifically mention Lachish and Azekah, the last strongholds to fall according to Jeremiah 34:7. One of the letters specifically mentions a prophet, possibly Jeremiah. Babylonian records verify parts of the Biblical account such as the deposing of Jehoiachin, 2 Kings 24:10-17, and the provisions supplied to him according to 2 Kings 25:27-30.

H. A very remarkable find in recent years was the discovery in Palestine of a pair of ancient clay bullae which bear the name of Baruch, son Neriah. Bullae were clay nodules that were used to seal important documents and items. They bear the impression of the seal mark of the owner. Since these particular bullae date to the correct time period, they are believed to be the seal marks of the scribe Baruch, son of Neriah, who recorded the book of Jeremiah, Jeremiah 36:4.

I. Another exciting find was the discovery of some small silver scrolls in 1979. These scrolls were found inside a Jerusalem tomb and are dated to around 600 BC, shortly before the Israelites' exile in Babylon. They contain a prayer from Numbers 6:24-26. Skeptics had long claimed that the early books of the Bible had not been written until the time of the exile or afterward, but this find has proven that at least portions of the Torah existed before the exile.

Heinrich Schliemann discovered the archaeological site of Troy in the 19th century. He also discovered the ruins of ancient Mycenae in Greece. Moreover, the landscape and other geographical features surrounding both areas seem to fit the descriptions offered in Homer's Iliad. Records were discovered indicating the existence of a Mycenaean man by the name of "Achilles," and Hittite documents from the period suggest that a city located in the same area as Troy was, in fact, under siege.

Knowing all of this, do you believe that the Greeks waged war against the Trojans over Helen and that the Greek pantheon actively participated in this war and manipulated humans on both sides? After all, certain parts of the Iliad have been shown to be consistent with archaeological evidence. Clearly, this makes it logical to believe in Zeus, Hera, etc.

The Iliad doesn't claim to be written by God nor does it establish itself as a holy text.

It's just a story. Maybe parts of it are true, maybe not. But it never professes to be anything else.

We ALL know that the bible wasn't written by god. Who is to say that Homer wasn't also "inspired" by Zues?

 

[Shogun]

Shogun, you're THE most hysterical poster on this board.

and yet I manage too keep from using the state to force my beliefs down your throat. Imagine that.

check mate, baba.

As if voting for Prop 8 would be the Christian thing to do. Why should Christians have the beliefs of immoral sodomites shoved down their throats?

Unless, with the passage of gay marraige, YOU were forced by the state to go suck a dick then YOU didn't have anything "shoved down your throat".

FACT.

and no, politically forcing Ceasar to your dogma junkie whim is NOT the christian thing to do. Notice, pussy, IM the one quoting scripture while YOU continue to act like some farcical caracature wannabe black Fred Phelps. yes, I bet your example nets a lot of new souls ALL THE TIME!

 

[sealybobo]

If everyone follows the guide lines and commandments that the Bible puts forth they will have eternal life, why anyone would go against it and or put it down as a worthless religious book is beyond explanation. A lot of you people who are against the message of the Bible[you can be against Christianity all you like, thats man-made] most likely have not red the Bible in detail with the inspiration of the Spirit and with understanding so its only logical that you would lash out against that which you don't understand. The Bible is *NOT* subject to change its message based on what is acceptable by man because it is not man who will allow you into heaven or send you to hell it is God, so if homosexuality, pornography and glorification of fornication and sexual promiscuity is popular and or widely accepted by man the Bible is not wrong for its holy message against those types of things and conversely, those of us who preach these scared principles are not zealots and fundies.

When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.

So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was.

In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!

(Copyright 1999 by George Carlin. Printed without permission.)

 

[Shogun]

As if voting for Prop 8 would be the Christian thing to do. Why should Christians have the beliefs of immoral sodomites shoved down their throats?

Already addressed, it's wrong that you see it as such, it's no more valid than saying Christmas is shoving christianity down our throats ...

Shogun's dumb position is that voting against Prop 8 is un-Christian because its forcing beliefs down people's throats[which it is not, it wasn't only religious people who voted against Prop 8, but Shogun somehow ignored this], but he has yet to explain how voting for it is the Christian thing to do in spite of the fact that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Shogun wants people to be unfaithful hypocrites to their religious beliefs to grant wht he feels are equal rights to people, that is about as un-Christian as one can be, Christians never put the cares and concerns of this world before God and His Word.

FOR prop 8, stupid. Are you even aware of your surroundings? Do you need a fucking smelling salt? It's pretty sad when you can't even follow the fucking conversation long enough to know which side of the fucking poll your silly bitch ass falls on.

and yes, Prop 8 was specifically funded and fueled by christian lobby groups. You want to see articles or should we all rely on your butt hungry opinions? If you live according to your bible then YOUR PLACE is not to judge fags and their desire to marriage. Jesus didn't tell you to go sieze political fucking power, you goddamn rancid piece of lion food.

 

[Shogun]

Um, the Bass was addressing Shogun specifically, not everyone, get the facts straight



because people don't believe it doesn't mean its not the truth.



Whatever you vote for, you agree with it, just like with abortion, if you vote for that you must agree with it, if not why the hell would you vote for something you don't agree with and support? That makes no damn sense, if the Bass were to vote for gay marriage he would obviously have to agree with it and support it.

Just because some people do believe in it doesn't mean it's truth.

As for your other point, then don't vote for it ... but if it passes and becomes law it is not "forcing it on you" as you stated. You like your right to vote how you want, so, let other people vote how they want and live with the result like everyone does. Seattle did vote, we have civil unions and soon marriage will be taken out of laws completely, civil unions for all, marriage only being something the churches deal with. It was agreed by a majority of the voters, and those who don't like it don't whine about it here.

The people of California have voted on the issue of gay marriage, the majority voted against it so what the hell are you yapping about, you and Shogun to be exact?

It's cool, bitch.. Guess what happens the next time The California Supreme Court gets a whiff of Prop 8...

 

[HUGGY]

If everyone follows the guide lines and commandments that the Bible puts forth they will have eternal life, why anyone would go against it and or put it down as a worthless religious book is beyond explanation. A lot of you people who are against the message of the Bible[you can be against Christianity all you like, thats man-made] most likely have not red the Bible in detail with the inspiration of the Spirit and with understanding so its only logical that you would lash out against that which you don't understand. The Bible is *NOT* subject to change its message based on what is acceptable by man because it is not man who will allow you into heaven or send you to hell it is God, so if homosexuality, pornography and glorification of fornication and sexual promiscuity is popular and or widely accepted by man the Bible is not wrong for its holy message against those types of things and conversely, those of us who preach these scared principles are not zealots and fundies.

Giving all ground right up to the point where the bible, being the almighty word of god, is where you take a stand is precious. Hey Chuckie, its not like someone chooses between following the word of god or chooses not to follow the word of god.

There is NO word of god. Your stupid bible was assembled by Romans that needed a way to keep christians under control. It was written by men..uneducated men.

How does someone with a functioning brain end up with your vision of reality?

Whatsupchuckie?

 

[RodISHI]

Jesus didn't tell you to go sieze political fucking power....

In your opinion does that mean they do not have a right to vote or organize?

 

[editec]

Jesus didn't tell you to go sieze political fucking power....

In your opinion does that mean they do not have a right to vote or organize?

Not if they want to keep their TAX FREE status.

The moment churches become political organizations they should (and seldom do) lose their 501 c (whatever) status.

 

[Shogun]

Jesus didn't tell you to go sieze political fucking power....

In your opinion does that mean they do not have a right to vote or organize?

as citizens of a secular US, sure. As CHRISTIANS waving around mention of the bible, if not scripture, like a porn star waving around his dick? By all means.. have your say.. but don't cry like a giant fucking bitch when you get called on hypocrisies. The very word that people like Chuck Bass thinks validates their cultural judgment, in fact, doesn't. This is why he's too big of a bitch to spar with me using scripture.

Hell, even the klan can organize. If dogma junkies want one more thing in common with that type of voter then so be it.

 

[RodISHI]

Jesus didn't tell you to go sieze political fucking power....

In your opinion does that mean they do not have a right to vote or organize?

Not if they want to keep their TAX FREE status.

The moment churches become political organizations they should (and seldom do) lose their 501 c (whatever) status.

Agreed but they goes for everyone claiming that exempt status. It is simple isn't it.

That is also why many organized outside of the churches and not from within the churches.

Political action non profit groups of all kinds have the right to assemble and push for legislation. They also have a non profit "TAX FREE" status.