The Biden administration has no choice but to pursue accountability for Trump and all his associates

[Coyote]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

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Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

So a constitutional scholar wants to ignore the constitution?

Typical prog.

What's being ignored?

If Ford was able to Pardon Nixon out of being prosecuted, a Pardon can be pretty much be given for any reason.

Making up some "obstruction of justice" excuse is just that, an excuse for what progs like you really want to do, punish ThoughtCrime.

Unfortunately yes. I may not (and in some of them was not) right, but it's legal in so far as this has ever been tested. But I think he is right to - Trump has pushed this to such an extreme we are forced examine it in a way we didn't before, because presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards.

Every President tests the laws and what they can and can't do. The Supreme Court slaps their hand, Trump is no different than any other politician. Which Presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards and what are these agreed upon standards?

I disagree that Trump is no different. How often are political cronies pardoned? Clinton did and it was contentious. Has another president actively interfered in the military justice system and pardoned men convicted of killing civilians?

Political cronies are pardoned all the time. Washington pardoned a guy that was guilty of treason. Andrew Johnson pardoned every confederate soldier that fought in the civil war. Carter pardoned a pedophile and pardoned Hearst. Clinton pardoned his brother, Roger and Marc Rich. Ford pardoned Nixon. Bush Sr., pardoned six people involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. Obama pardoned Manning for his espionage work. So I am not seeing much difference in Trump's pardons and other Presidents, I'm not seeing this unwritten but agreed upon standards.

I asked earlier, which Presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards and what are these agreed upon standards?

For a start, let's take the peaceful transfer of power. Trump is willfully refusing it, well beyond legitimate challenge - and he is damaging our democratic institutions in the process and affecting national security, and a host of other normal transition processes with his refusals (and yes, they are still being blocked) to work with the transition team.

 

[Papageorgio]

Campaign violations are bs charges-nothing trump did was illegal

They are laws, therefore they are valid criminal charges. It will be proven that what Trump did was illegal. It’s open and shut for Ol‘ David Dennison. They have his signature on one check and the little shit’s signature on another, paying hush money. Michael Cohen will testify to it, and so will his accountant, Weismann(?).

Be careful, there are a lot of campaign violations that happen every year and you open Pandora's box, you may not like what happens.

 

[Coyote]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

What is Trump charged or being investigated for? If he isn't being investigated, I'm trying to figure out how he is obstructing justice?

He already obstructed justice. Did you not watch the Mueller hearing?

Why didn't the House impeach him for that? Maybe we can watch for the next several years the Dems trying to imprison Trump and the GOP trying to imprison Clinton. It is all so funny but it is a sad statement on America today.

I think Trump has done a lot wrong, but it would set a bad precedent for the incoming administration to go after him. A really bad precedent. Let others do it.

Neither side cares about precedent, they are willing to go after the other side at any cost and then when it back fires both sides cry their heads off. ,

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm hoping saner heads will prevail. For instance, much as I'd love to see them add to SCOTUS as a slap to what the Republicans did, it's a BAD idea (and one more bad precedent).

 

[Lastamender]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

So a constitutional scholar wants to ignore the constitution?

Typical prog.

What's being ignored?

If Ford was able to Pardon Nixon out of being prosecuted, a Pardon can be pretty much be given for any reason.

Making up some "obstruction of justice" excuse is just that, an excuse for what progs like you really want to do, punish ThoughtCrime.

Unfortunately yes. I may not (and in some of them was not) right, but it's legal in so far as this has ever been tested. But I think he is right to - Trump has pushed this to such an extreme we are forced examine it in a way we didn't before, because presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards.

Every President tests the laws and what they can and can't do. The Supreme Court slaps their hand, Trump is no different than any other politician. Which Presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards and what are these agreed upon standards?

I disagree that Trump is no different. How often are political cronies pardoned? Clinton did and it was contentious. Has another president actively interfered in the military justice system and pardoned men convicted of killing civilians?

There is a first time for everything. The military is very political. It has been since WWII.

No...it really isn't. And yes, there is a first time for everything.

Does that make it right? If a president disregards norms that normally act as guardrails to excess - then what?

Trump has shown no inclination to abide by any norms, conventions or standards of ethical behavior and his supporters won't hold him to any. Clinton pushed the bounds with his sexual infidelity, and his one contentious pardon. I think Trump has gone far beyond.

standards of ethical behavior

How can you say that without choking?

 

[Coyote]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

So a constitutional scholar wants to ignore the constitution?

Typical prog.

What's being ignored?

If Ford was able to Pardon Nixon out of being prosecuted, a Pardon can be pretty much be given for any reason.

Making up some "obstruction of justice" excuse is just that, an excuse for what progs like you really want to do, punish ThoughtCrime.

Unfortunately yes. I may not (and in some of them was not) right, but it's legal in so far as this has ever been tested. But I think he is right to - Trump has pushed this to such an extreme we are forced examine it in a way we didn't before, because presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards.

Every President tests the laws and what they can and can't do. The Supreme Court slaps their hand, Trump is no different than any other politician. Which Presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards and what are these agreed upon standards?

I disagree that Trump is no different. How often are political cronies pardoned? Clinton did and it was contentious. Has another president actively interfered in the military justice system and pardoned men convicted of killing civilians?

There is a first time for everything. The military is very political. It has been since WWII.

No...it really isn't. And yes, there is a first time for everything.

Does that make it right? If a president disregards norms that normally act as guardrails to excess - then what?

Trump has shown no inclination to abide by any norms, conventions or standards of ethical behavior and his supporters won't hold him to any. Clinton pushed the bounds with his sexual infidelity, and his one contentious pardon. I think Trump has gone far beyond.

standards of ethical behavior

How can you say that without choking?

Easily. Why, is it problematic for you?

 

[Synthaholic]

I saw Tribe interviewed last night and he is correct - It is a criminal act for a president to pardon criminal associates involved in their crimes. Otherwise a president could literally get away with anything. Hell, they could tell a crony or family member to go murder a federal official and then pardon them.

Tribe is a lickspittle who does the deep state's bidding.

No, he is an expert on Constitutional law.

He was the law professor for countless lawyers we have all heard of.

Notable students:
Barack Obama
Raphael “Ted” Cruz
Elena Kagen
Chief Justice John Roberts
Kathleen Sullivan
Merrick Garland

He has argued 34 cases before SCOTUS and 26 cases in the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

 

[Papageorgio]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

So a constitutional scholar wants to ignore the constitution?

Typical prog.

What's being ignored?

If Ford was able to Pardon Nixon out of being prosecuted, a Pardon can be pretty much be given for any reason.

Making up some "obstruction of justice" excuse is just that, an excuse for what progs like you really want to do, punish ThoughtCrime.

Unfortunately yes. I may not (and in some of them was not) right, but it's legal in so far as this has ever been tested. But I think he is right to - Trump has pushed this to such an extreme we are forced examine it in a way we didn't before, because presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards.

Every President tests the laws and what they can and can't do. The Supreme Court slaps their hand, Trump is no different than any other politician. Which Presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards and what are these agreed upon standards?

I disagree that Trump is no different. How often are political cronies pardoned? Clinton did and it was contentious. Has another president actively interfered in the military justice system and pardoned men convicted of killing civilians?

Trumpsters will alternately (a) celebrate how we've never had a President like him and (b) deflect by equating him with other politicians, depending on what kind of spin they need at any given moment.

It's almost over.

I'm not a Trump voter, supporter, nor do I like many of his policies. I have never seen the difference between Trump and other Presidents other than Trump will openly tell everyone how he is going to screw people over, the other politicians just claim they won't and do so anyway. We had a Covid relief packages sitting for months and neither side was going to give at all. So after the elections, they now all want to come to a table and send relief. More of the party over country that both parties seem to love. Notice how Covid numbers were taking off in October, yet not one governor made a move to lockdown until after the elections were over. More party over country.

I see no difference in any president, power before people, that is what they are about, party doesn't matter.

 

[Synthaholic]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

The pardons are a matter of record and not subject to second guessing. Whether I or you like it or not. Other than who he pardons, as long as not selling pardons (I'm a Tennessean, we been there done that), his other decisions, actions and transgressions must be looked and and held to account. He should be punished for his crimes as anyone else. He is owed no special consideration after he leaves office.

You can't pardon someone to dismiss your own criminal liability however. And if the very people he pardons commit perjury in front of a grand jury, it's back to jail for them.

Criminal liability for what?

Be specific.

Bring actual crimes with the specific action that violated that crime.

Unhinged rants by the Madcow dude on MSLSD don't count.

I gave you the specific charges: bank and insurance fraud, and money laundering.

They are going to RICO his ass.

 

[Lastamender]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

So a constitutional scholar wants to ignore the constitution?

Typical prog.

What's being ignored?

If Ford was able to Pardon Nixon out of being prosecuted, a Pardon can be pretty much be given for any reason.

Making up some "obstruction of justice" excuse is just that, an excuse for what progs like you really want to do, punish ThoughtCrime.

Unfortunately yes. I may not (and in some of them was not) right, but it's legal in so far as this has ever been tested. But I think he is right to - Trump has pushed this to such an extreme we are forced examine it in a way we didn't before, because presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards.

Every President tests the laws and what they can and can't do. The Supreme Court slaps their hand, Trump is no different than any other politician. Which Presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards and what are these agreed upon standards?

I disagree that Trump is no different. How often are political cronies pardoned? Clinton did and it was contentious. Has another president actively interfered in the military justice system and pardoned men convicted of killing civilians?

There is a first time for everything. The military is very political. It has been since WWII.

No...it really isn't. And yes, there is a first time for everything.

Does that make it right? If a president disregards norms that normally act as guardrails to excess - then what?

Trump has shown no inclination to abide by any norms, conventions or standards of ethical behavior and his supporters won't hold him to any. Clinton pushed the bounds with his sexual infidelity, and his one contentious pardon. I think Trump has gone far beyond.

standards of ethical behavior

How can you say that without choking?

Easily. Why, is it problematic for you?

What was ethical about a Russia hoax? What was ethical in Kavanaugh's treatment? What was ethical in the sham impeachment? What is ethical about Comey and Mc Cabe not being indicted for lying to Congress. If it comes easy to you then are simply as morally bankrupt as the party you support.

 

[Synthaholic]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

The pardons are a matter of record and not subject to second guessing. Whether I or you like it or not. Other than who he pardons, as long as not selling pardons (I'm a Tennessean, we been there done that), his other decisions, actions and transgressions must be looked and and held to account. He should be punished for his crimes as anyone else. He is owed no special consideration after he leaves office.

He is selling pardons. And some of these pardons may get thrown out, or turn out to be meaningless, through sheer incompetence of Trump lawyers.

You say that with such confidence, like you actually have knowledge. Amazing.

No, I just don’t rely on Newsmax and OANN for all my information.

Oh, what source told you he is selling pardons?

The justice department opened an investigation, didn’t they? That’s Bill Barr’s Justice Department.

 

[Synthaholic]

I saw Tribe interviewed last night and he is correct - It is a criminal act for a president to pardon criminal associates involved in their crimes. Otherwise a president could literally get away with anything. Hell, they could tell a crony or family member to go murder a federal official and then pardon them.

Tribe is a lickspittle who does the deep state's bidding.

No, he is an expert on Constitutional law.

He's a leftwing propagandist, and nothing more.

You cannot stand intelligent people, we get it.

That’s why he’s a Trumper. They don’t believe in expertise. I don’t even need to know what bripat typed - he’s on ignore - to know that it’s was moronic.

 

[Papageorgio]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

What is Trump charged or being investigated for? If he isn't being investigated, I'm trying to figure out how he is obstructing justice?

He already obstructed justice. Did you not watch the Mueller hearing?

Why didn't the House impeach him for that? Maybe we can watch for the next several years the Dems trying to imprison Trump and the GOP trying to imprison Clinton. It is all so funny but it is a sad statement on America today.

I think Trump has done a lot wrong, but it would set a bad precedent for the incoming administration to go after him. A really bad precedent. Let others do it.

Neither side cares about precedent, they are willing to go after the other side at any cost and then when it back fires both sides cry their heads off. ,

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm hoping saner heads will prevail. For instance, much as I'd love to see them add to SCOTUS as a slap to what the Republicans did, it's a BAD idea (and one more bad precedent).

The Republicans did nothing wrong, had the situation been reversed, I know the Democrats would do the same and I would be good with that. If you honestly believe that your party has a better vision for the country and a better way to live and you honestly believe that, then why would you not fight for what is right for America? If either party would have laid down on the court appointments, I'd seriously doubt their motive and vision.

 

[Synthaholic]

Have not read the whole thread. The thought of going after Trump and his supporters smacks of Communism, political prisoners, and gulags. Biden will never be legitimate. A legitimate president would not do that.

Define “going after”.

 

[Coyote]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

So a constitutional scholar wants to ignore the constitution?

Typical prog.

What's being ignored?

If Ford was able to Pardon Nixon out of being prosecuted, a Pardon can be pretty much be given for any reason.

Making up some "obstruction of justice" excuse is just that, an excuse for what progs like you really want to do, punish ThoughtCrime.

Unfortunately yes. I may not (and in some of them was not) right, but it's legal in so far as this has ever been tested. But I think he is right to - Trump has pushed this to such an extreme we are forced examine it in a way we didn't before, because presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards.

Every President tests the laws and what they can and can't do. The Supreme Court slaps their hand, Trump is no different than any other politician. Which Presidents followed unwritten but agreed upon standards and what are these agreed upon standards?

I disagree that Trump is no different. How often are political cronies pardoned? Clinton did and it was contentious. Has another president actively interfered in the military justice system and pardoned men convicted of killing civilians?

There is a first time for everything. The military is very political. It has been since WWII.

No...it really isn't. And yes, there is a first time for everything.

Does that make it right? If a president disregards norms that normally act as guardrails to excess - then what?

Trump has shown no inclination to abide by any norms, conventions or standards of ethical behavior and his supporters won't hold him to any. Clinton pushed the bounds with his sexual infidelity, and his one contentious pardon. I think Trump has gone far beyond.

standards of ethical behavior

How can you say that without choking?

Easily. Why, is it problematic for you?

What was ethical about a Russia hoax? What was ethical in Kavanaugh's treatment? What was ethical in the sham impeachment? What is ethical about Comey and Mc Cabe not being indicted for lying to Congress. If it comes easy to you then are simply as morally bankrupt as the party you support.

There was nothing unethical about the Russian investigation or the impeachment. On Kavanaugh? Badly done. Shame on the Dems. (But so was Merrick Garland).

 

[Synthaholic]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

Absolutely. They must pay the consequences as a deterrence to future would be dictators.

Consequences for what? So far none of you nutbars have any evidence of any crime.

We’re not the prosecutors holding the evidence until January 20.

Dumbass.

 

[Synthaholic]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

Such a witch hunt ensures civil war. Is that really what you want?

Define “witch hunt”.

 

[Coyote]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

What is Trump charged or being investigated for? If he isn't being investigated, I'm trying to figure out how he is obstructing justice?

He already obstructed justice. Did you not watch the Mueller hearing?

Why didn't the House impeach him for that? Maybe we can watch for the next several years the Dems trying to imprison Trump and the GOP trying to imprison Clinton. It is all so funny but it is a sad statement on America today.

I think Trump has done a lot wrong, but it would set a bad precedent for the incoming administration to go after him. A really bad precedent. Let others do it.

Neither side cares about precedent, they are willing to go after the other side at any cost and then when it back fires both sides cry their heads off. ,

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm hoping saner heads will prevail. For instance, much as I'd love to see them add to SCOTUS as a slap to what the Republicans did, it's a BAD idea (and one more bad precedent).

The Republicans did nothing wrong, had the situation been reversed, I know the Democrats would do the same and I would be good with that. If you honestly believe that your party has a better vision for the country and a better way to live and you honestly believe that, then why would you not fight for what is right for America? If either party would have laid down on the court appointments, I'd seriously doubt their motive and vision.

I disagree. You can't say that the Dems would have done the same since they never have.

That one is on the Republicans.

 

[Synthaholic]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

I can't agree with him more.

The reason why we have presidents and politicians who commit crimes and usually worse than the last president or politician, is because we don't prosecute them for their crimes.

They know they will get away with it.

The best thing Biden can do for democracy and our nation is to prosecute the trump criminals to the fullest extent of the law.

He won't, because that would open him up to prosecution from the next president. And there will be prosecutable things he will do, guaranteed. Every administration does things that would send you to your fainting couch if you knew.

What prosecutable crimes did Obama commit? Bush? Clinton?

The same as Trump. None. Well people did tend to die around the Clinton's but accidents happen. LOL

Another wingnut fantasy. Funny how wingnuts keep accusing and never prove anything.

You keep accusing and nothing will ever be proven cause its all in your sick head.

As for the people dying around the Clintons?? Over 200 have. Hell even Bills Arkansas body guards when he was Governor are all dead. People die around the Clintons.

He was Governor in the 1980s, 35 years ago. Yes, people die.

Dumbass.

Sure they do. But his whole body guard died?? Along with many others.

How many of Reagan’s presidential body guard are still alive? Same 1980s. I’d bet none, maybe one.

 

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Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

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Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

The pardons are a matter of record and not subject to second guessing. Whether I or you like it or not. Other than who he pardons, as long as not selling pardons (I'm a Tennessean, we been there done that), his other decisions, actions and transgressions must be looked and and held to account. He should be punished for his crimes as anyone else. He is owed no special consideration after he leaves office.

He is selling pardons. And some of these pardons may get thrown out, or turn out to be meaningless, through sheer incompetence of Trump lawyers.

Well I think Clinton and Barry sold a few then. A POTUS can pardon anyone he wants. To bad you aren't smart enough to know that. Oh well.

No, they cannot. Too bad you’re not smart enough to know that.

Yes they can. Too bad you aren't smart enough to know that. Hell Clinton pardon Rich who owed millions to the IRS.

And you are too stupid to know the difference. It's going to be revealed that Trump pardoned these folks over his own crimes. That wasn't the case with Clinton.

just so I understand....you referring to the crimes committed that a 30 million dollar investigation could not find? Or the crimes committed that the FBI could not find? Or the crimes committed that the CIA could not find? Or are you referring to the crimes committed that Rachel Maddow found?

Which crimes are you referring to?

They found the crimes. The Republican Senate Report found the crimes. But Billy Barr is as corrupt as trump. The next AG won’t be. And the statute of limitations still has a few years left.

They found the crimes? How do you know? Exactly who told you that?

DO you ever consider the source?

Likely not.

You are too wrapped up in spelling errors to win a debate.

I already outlined the charges, dumbass.

uh. Excuse me. You outlined unfounded accusations. But thats all you need. An individual is guilty until he proves his innocence.

OK....I can work with that.

I heard you were seen by your neighbor masturbating up against a telephone pole stark naked and screaming out Bernie Sanders' name saying "give me a freebie...give me a freebie".....

Go ahead. Prove you didn't do it.

I outlined the charges that the New York attorney general has stated she will be bringing.

Dumbass.

 

[Synthaholic]

Harvard Law professor: ‘Donald Trump’s pardons must not obstruct justice’

Laurence Tribe argues that Trump’s pardons to absolve the crimes of his friends might be crimes themselves if they’re issued to obstruct justice. Tribe explains to Lawrence O’Donnell why it’s important for the next administration to investigate and prosecute those abuses of power: “We can only...

www.msnbc.com

Laurence Tribe, the foremost authority on Constitutional law, makes the case, that if the Biden administration does not pursue Trump and his associates activities, along with family members for crimes they most surely committed right in front of us, it opens the door for future lawless presidents, their family members, and associates, to participate in multiple criminal activities, sitting right in the oval office, with no consequences. This will definitely have to be the number one priority for the next administration to pursue, and if not, we will most assuredly be viewing this Constitutional Republic in the rear view mirror from now on.

What crimes idiot?

You are simply advocating abusing the governments power again to harass political enemies including railroading Trumps people on trumped on charges. It's immoral and destructive.

Not at all. All the one's Trump pardoned were those who kept quiet about Trumps own obstruction of justice activities while interfering in the Mueller investigation, while Russia was getting Trump elected.

Trump is also on the hook for campaign finance violations in the 2016 election.

As for crimes already committed, he paid fines for illegally stealing money from charities that were supposed to go to children with cancer and creating a bogus university, stealing millions of dollars there.

So there, those are the crimes.

He is also on the hook for tax crimes of over 400 million dollars in tax evasion charges waiting for him, along with investigations into bank fraud and money laundering.

Trump is a career criminal.

What obstruction of the Mueller probe.....Trump was the most cooperative President with an independent council in history, handing them everything they asked for......

You guys are insane.

You are knowingly lying. Fuck off.