The Confederacy was an Evil Empire

[whitehall]

You think flying a confederate flag is not celebrating?

Japanese flags haven't changed. Is flying a Japanese flag celebrating? While I'm at it the flag that flew off the stern of slave ships wasn't the Confederate flag. New England whalers found a more lucrative source of income in the slave trade. The English Union Jack flew off the stern of slave ships for 200 years. We forgave England and Japan and Italy for the unfortunate events of WW2 and the 200 years of slavery but the bigotry and hatred for a segment of American society still persists. It ain't about slavery, it's about politiics.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And now the U.S. is continuing that glorious tradition.

You 'confederates' today are only figments of your imagination.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Japanese flags haven't changed. Is flying a Japanese flag celebrating? While I'm at it the flag that flew off the stern of slave ships wasn't the Confederate flag. New England whalers found a more lucrative source of income in the slave trade. The English Union Jack flew off the stern of slave ships for 200 years. We forgave England and Japan and Italy for the unfortunate events of WW2 and the 200 years of slavery but the bigotry and hatred for a segment of American society still persists. It ain't about slavery, it's about politiics.

Then have MAGA stop talking about Dems and slavery 165 years ago; instead, work with the Dems for good change.

 

[Robert W]

For over a hundred and fifty years, the legacy of the Confederacy has been sold as a noble Lost Cause of states defending their states rights.

The reality is that the Confederacy was an Evil Empire. One of the worst nations in the history of mankind.

The Confederacy was built on ensuring that the institution of slavery would exist forever,
The Confederacy kept 40 percent of its population in bondage.
The economy of the Confederacy was built around enforced free labor. Labor enforced by whip and chain.
The Confederacy used women for breeding and then sold the children.
The Confederacy considered human slaves as no more than livestock

By any valuation, this was pure EVIL and should never be defended or honored in todays society.

You are complaining about 12 of our presidents. George Washington for instance had many many slaves. You called our founder evil as well as 11 other presidents.
Shedding blood is not noble but that is what Abe Lincoln forced on the South states. It was not merely a state, it was a lot of states. Slavery then was normal. If you paid at that time $1500 for a slave and you beat him as you say, you were a nut at the time.

 

[Robert W]

They were more like Hamas, and yes, democrats love them as well.

Terrorist organizations are their favorite.

And they were Democrats. Democrats now attack their forefathers trying to erase the fact they were the Democrats who had slaves. 12 presidents had slaves. About 1/4 of our presidents had slaves. So Democrats attack those 12 presidents. Some of them are called greats.

 

[Robert W]

Then have MAGA stop talking about Dems and slavery 165 years ago; instead, work with the Dems for good change.

HOW???? You guys love bringing this up. A pet show for democrats.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We don't talk about Dems and slavery. We do talk about how and why minorities despise the GOP.

 

[mikegriffith1]

For over a hundred and fifty years, the legacy of the Confederacy has been sold as a noble Lost Cause of states defending their states rights.

The reality is that the Confederacy was an Evil Empire. One of the worst nations in the history of mankind.

The Confederacy was built on ensuring that the institution of slavery would exist forever,
The Confederacy kept 40 percent of its population in bondage.
The economy of the Confederacy was built around enforced free labor. Labor enforced by whip and chain.
The Confederacy used women for breeding and then sold the children.
The Confederacy considered human slaves as no more than livestock

By any valuation, this was pure EVIL and should never be defended or honored in todays society.

This is a mix of fact, exaggeration, distortion, and falsehood, although I agree that the Confederacy never should have been created in the first place and that the Deep South's secession was unjustified. A few facts:

-- By late 1864, the Confederacy began to move toward gradual emancipation. The chief advocate of this move was none other than Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president, and it was strongly backed by Robert E. Lee. By early 1865, the Confederacy actually began a program to grant freedom to slaves who would volunteer to serve in the Confederate army.

-- The Confederate constitution allowed for the admission of free states into the Confederacy, and it banned the overseas slave trade.

-- The Confederacy actually allowed more freedom of the press than the Union did during the war. It jailed fewer editors and shut down fewer newspapers than did the Union during the war.

-- The Confederacy did not consider slaves to be no more than livestock, nor did the Confederacy have anything to do with slave breeding.

-- Over 50% of Confederate army officers were not slaveholders, and over 75% of the enlisted soldiers were not slaveholders. Many Confederate generals disliked slavery, including Joseph Johnston, James Longstreet, and Robert E. Lee.

-- Over 5,000 Hispanics served in the Confederate army.

-- About 4,000 blacks served in the Confederate army. Most of them were slaves who were offered freedom by their masters in exchange for military service. These were local, private initiatives. The Confederate government was aware of them and did nothing to stop them.

-- The five tribes of the Indian Territory supported the Confederacy and contributed thousands of troops to the Confederate army. One Confederate general, Stand Watie, was a full-blooded Cherokee Indian. In exchange, the Confederacy granted the tribes functional independence and promised that the independence would continue after the war (if the South won, of course).

-- According to the slaves' own accounts, such as the WPA slave narratives, the substantial majority of slaves were not abused, whipped, chained, etc. There were certainly slaves who were mistreated, sometimes terribly so, but their cases were not the norm. Slavery was inherently immoral and corrupting, even if no slaves were mistreated. There is no need to exaggerate the percentage of slaves who were mistreated.

BTW, there were four Union slave states (DE, KY, MO, and MD) during the war, and the Emancipation Proclamation exempted the slaves in those states from emancipation.

Also, when the federal government decided to send an army into Virginia in response to the firing on Fort Sumter, there were more slaves states in the Union than in the Confederacy. The four Upper South states had rejected secession when it was mainly based on concerns over slavery and decided to remain in the Union--they only seceded later, after the North made it clear that it was going to invade the Confederacy.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Rightwinger's statement is absolutely correct: "For over a hundred and fifty years, the legacy of the Confederacy has been sold as a noble Lost Cause of states defending their states rights."

Yes, it can be described correctly if flash as an empire.

 

[Robert W]

We don't talk about Dems and slavery. We do talk about how and why minorities despise the GOP.

Had the GOP done the evils that the Democrats have done, you would hate the Democrats.

 

[whitehall]

The post isn't about flags. We forgave the Japanese and the Germans and the Italians but we can't forgive ourselves because there is a perceived political advantage in digging up a 160 year old war and the racial animosity that goes along with it. Lefties are so freaking transparent when they get desperate for an issue.

 

[Robert W]

The post isn't about flags. We forgave the Japanese and the Germans and the Italians but we can't forgive ourselves because there is a perceived political advantage in digging up a 160 year old war and the racial animosity that goes along with it. Lefties are so freaking transparent when they get desperate for an issue.

I own the Confederate battle flag as a remembrance this nations lost over 630,000 lives fighting over blacks as Democrats claim, yet the rest of Americans know it was states rights. Sure states wanted to keep slaves. But that then was a right.

 

[Mr Natural]

I own the Confederate battle flag as a remembrance this nations lost over 630,000 lives fighting over blacks as Democrats claim, yet the rest of Americans know it was states rights. Sure states wanted to keep slaves. But that then was a right.

The right to own another human being?

That’s fucking sick.

 

[Robert W]

The right to own another human being?

That’s fucking sick.

12 presidents had that right. The Supreme Court ruled it was legal. I would say the slaves were tired but not sick all that much. They had healthy meals.

 

[Mr Natural]

They had healthy meals.

Yeah, I’m sure they did.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And as conservatives continue to defend the evil that was the ‘confederacy,’ they demonstrate just how reprehensible and wrong they truly are.

There was no ‘honor,’ no ‘just cause’ fought for, no ‘defense’ of independence or states’ rights – rather, it was a treasonous attack on the United States by lawless insurrectionists seeking to destroy America and preserve an institution dedicated to keeping human beings enslaved.

 

[rightwinger]

By late 1864, the Confederacy began to move toward gradual emancipation. T

As far as I had to read
Even after emancipation, it took the South a hundred years to get rid of Jim Crow
And that was forced on them

 

[rightwinger]

yet the rest of Americans know it was states rights. Sure states wanted to keep slaves. But that then was a right.

A States right to allow Slavery
That is why the Confederacy was formed

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Had the GOP done the evils that the Democrats have done, you would hate the Democrats.

You have done worse, by far, particularly since 1960 and especially since January 5, 2021.

 

[rightwinger]

Celebration?

Confederate monuments, flags, Hollidays, roads, schools

Who else celebrates an evil empire?