The Confederate Flag

rightwinger said:
Boss said:
rightwinger said:
From the Confederate Constitution

Article I Section 9(4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed

The Confederacy was established to continue and protect the institution of slavery

The Confederate flag was the symbol of that despicable nation. It is a symbol of hate and subjugation of our fellow man
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The Confederacy was established as the collective government of the Southern states which had seceded from the Union. Their laws regarding slavery were no different than US laws. The US Constitution had several provisions regarding slaves and the slave trade. Section 9 of Article I, Article V, Section 2 of Article IV, Section 2 of Article I... not to mention SCOTUS rulings which continued to uphold slavery and protect slave owners.

People were being subjugated long before the CSA and it was done by the US Government.

In the 72 years between the election of George Washington and the election of Abraham Lincoln, 50 of those years had a slaveholder as president of the United States, and, for that whole period of time, there was never a person elected to a second term who was not a slaveholder.

So let's stop pretending Northerners were all abolitionists opposed to slavery, because that is not true. Let's stop acting like the US had outlawed slavery and the South was rebelling against it, because that never happened. Slavery existed here well before the US was even a nation, it was brought here by British colonists. If you want to be pissed at them, that's fine. It was allowed to continue when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution... you want to be pissed at them, that's fine. It was allowed to continue by the Supreme Court who ruled that slaves were property... wanna be pissed at SCOTUS, fine!
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Once again

The US laws were that way because the South insisted they be that way. By 1830 they could see the tide was turning in the national tolerance towards slavery. They did everything they could legislatively to prevent the abolition of slavery.
With the election of Abe Lincoln they saw the last straw. They used secession as the tool to ensure that they could continue to own other human beings

This flag was a symbol of the nation they formed to protect the institution of slavery

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Pure nonsense. :cuckoo:
 
RKMBrown said:
reconmark said:
RKMBrown said:
There were just as many germans that came over to get some free land & money from the north as there were blacks, and that's just one european country. Most of the northern men did not fight. It was the one percenters buying the death of two million Americans. Enjoy ya POS..
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Your Statement:

Eff you ya POS you didn't beat the south the conscripts from europe did.

So over 100,000 Black people came from Europe to fight the South??..:lol:.:lol:

Contradict yourself much??..:lol::lol:

Or are you mad that your dirty traitorous ancestors were ass whipped by many of the people they once enslaved...:eusa_shhh:.:eusa_shhh:
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^ dumb ass can't read. 170k + Germans fought for the north.. in fact most of the northern troops were fresh off the boat from europe.
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Yeah, you contradict yourself "much" and are mas your traitorous ancestors were ass whipped by the people they once enslaved.... :eusa_boohoo: :eusa_boohoo:
 
reconmark said:
RKMBrown said:
reconmark said:
Your Statement:

Eff you ya POS you didn't beat the south the conscripts from europe did.

So over 100,000 Black people came from Europe to fight the South??..:lol:.:lol:

Contradict yourself much??..:lol::lol:

Or are you mad that your dirty traitorous ancestors were ass whipped by many of the people they once enslaved...:eusa_shhh:.:eusa_shhh:
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^ dumb ass can't read. 170k + Germans fought for the north.. in fact most of the northern troops were fresh off the boat from europe.
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Yeah, you contradict yourself "much" and are mas your traitorous ancestors were ass whipped by the people they once enslaved.... :eusa_boohoo: :eusa_boohoo:
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^ Idiot.
 
Boss said:
reconmark said:
Boss said:
Yes, you are ignorant of history. Civil Rights Act of 1964... go look it up. Prior to that, blacks did not legally have equality in America. So the Civil War could NOT have been about equality for blacks.

Their homeland was the states in which they lived who declared their independence from the United States. As far as I know, the CSA wasn't planning to expand slavery anywhere. Most in the South (including my ancestors) didn't own slaves and couldn't have cared less about the issue.

Chattel slavery was law of the land as decided by the US Government and SCOTUS, not the CSA. In fact, it remained law of the land until AFTER the Civil War, when we ratified the 13th and 14th Amendments. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the South, a territory no longer in his control at the time. West Virginia was allowed to keep their slaves and remain in the Union. The US Government purchased the slaves from those in Maryland in order to make it a "free state." Then, they promptly shipped those freed slaves off to Central America to die because they didn't want them running loose in white society.

I can run circles around you in history, jackwagon. You're a complete dumbass.
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It's disheartening that you pretend or put yourself out to be Black. No Black person could be as stupid and ignorant as you.

Ever heard of the "Emancipation Proclamation" that was supposed to afford Black people "equality" as free American Citizens.

You are so stupid you believe that equality for Black people came in 1964.

Newflash, stupid ass; the 1964 Civil Rights Act was an act of legislation, it changed nothing for the majority of Blacks in this country. Racists didn't pack up their tents in 1964 and run out to hug the nearest Black person.
Are you usually this stupid in other topics???

As far as I know,

That's the problem, you don't know shit and think you do.
The Southern state's confederate constitutions plainly spelled out that slavery was and would continue to be the lynch pin of their society and even when traveling North, slaves could not receive protection or freedom because Southern law would never afford them freedom.
You are so ignorant it's disheartening, you are even ignorant of the Southern States mandating the expansion of Slavery to the western territories??
Maybe you should go sit down somewhere and read a history book and not Dr. Seuss.


Slavery in the Confederate Constitution

Article IX, Section 4 prohibited any law "denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves"; sections 1 and 2 prohibited

Article IV guaranteed the right of citizens to travel with their slaves and other property without risk of having their right of ownership impaired. No slave or other person held in service could become free as a result of escaping to another state. Any new territories were required to recognize slavery "as it now exists in the Confederate States." Many Southerners expected to conquer and colonize Cuba and other states of the Caribbean and Central America.


Conflicts also erupted over the status of new Western territories entering the Union. Would they allow or prohibit slavery? Congress enacted compromises in 1820 and 1850 to settle these disputes, but by 1861 those compromises could no longer hold the Union together. Despite the departure of congressmen from seceded states in 1860 and 1861, legislative duties and work on a Capitol expansion continued, reflecting the hope that the Union would be restored.
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Ever heard of the "Emancipation Proclamation" that was supposed to afford Black people "equality" as free American Citizens.

No it wasn't. It was supposed to free black slaves in the South, where Lincoln had no authority at the time because the South had seceded. It doesn't mention equal rights. In 1875 Congress passed a Civil Rights bill and in 1893 the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional and we had 60+ years of Jim Crow laws.

Again, you parade your stupidity, the Emancipation Proclamation freed the Southern Slaves, freedom meant what exactly, stupid ass??..It meant equal representation under the law, the same law that has it's basis in the statement that "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!!!!!" that means equality, stupid ass, freedom means equality, stupid ass

Racists didn't pack up their tents in 1964 and run out to hug the nearest Black person.

Racist still exist today, you can't get rid of racism through legislation or wars. We're talking about the law here and what the law says with regard to equality. Blacks didn't have equality under the law until 1964.

Answered in the above, did I already tell you that you are stupid????

Conflicts also erupted over the status of new Western territories entering the Union.

Entering the UNION, not the Confederacy. You said the Confederacy wanted to expand slavery, and that was incorrect.

In 1820, the Missouri Compromise banned slavery in all new western territories, which Southern states saw as a threat to the institution of slavery itself.
Please stop arguing issues you are obviously ignorant of


You also cited part of the Confederate law but failed to cite the exact same part of the US law which said the exact same thing regarding slaves.

Over and over, you keep wanting to blame slavery on the South as if the North never condoned it or allowed it. You are ignorant of history. You are attempting to absolve yourself (or the North) from any culpability with regard to slavery or racism, apparently. It's very disturbing and dispicable.. I guess next you'll be explaining how the South made you Northern fucks kill scores of blacks who came to the north to find jobs after the war? Oh yes... there were many-a-lynching and race riots in Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan... it's well documented.
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So now after facts have buttraped your ignorance you want to deflect and move the goal posts. Please show where ANYONE on this thread suggested that Blacks had Nirvana in the North????..you can't because like your previous rants, lies and ignorance seems to be innate with you.
 
Boss said:
rightwinger said:
From the Confederate Constitution

Article I Section 9(4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed

The Confederacy was established to continue and protect the institution of slavery

The Confederate flag was the symbol of that despicable nation. It is a symbol of hate and subjugation of our fellow man
Click to expand...

The Confederacy was established as the collective government of the Southern states which had seceded from the Union. Their laws regarding slavery were no different than US laws. The US Constitution had several provisions regarding slaves and the slave trade. Section 9 of Article I, Article V, Section 2 of Article IV, Section 2 of Article I... not to mention SCOTUS rulings which continued to uphold slavery and protect slave owners.

People were being subjugated long before the CSA and it was done by the US Government.

In the 72 years between the election of George Washington and the election of Abraham Lincoln, 50 of those years had a slaveholder as president of the United States, and, for that whole period of time, there was never a person elected to a second term who was not a slaveholder.

So let's stop pretending Northerners were all abolitionists opposed to slavery, because that is not true. Let's stop acting like the US had outlawed slavery and the South was rebelling against it, because that never happened. Slavery existed here well before the US was even a nation, it was brought here by British colonists. If you want to be pissed at them, that's fine. It was allowed to continue when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution... you want to be pissed at them, that's fine. It was allowed to continue by the Supreme Court who ruled that slaves were property... wanna be pissed at SCOTUS, fine!
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Choosing to be ignorant...fine!!!!
 
rightwinger said:
Once again

The US laws were that way because the South insisted they be that way. By 1830 they could see the tide was turning in the national tolerance towards slavery. They did everything they could legislatively to prevent the abolition of slavery.
With the election of Abe Lincoln they saw the last straw. They used secession as the tool to ensure that they could continue to own other human beings...
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They could see the writing on the wall in 1787, when the US ratified the Constitution and established the importing of slaves would end in 20 years. Unless they were ignorant of history and delusional like you. They had no problem with gradually phasing slavery out, that's how most rational people felt we should deal with the issue. Well 1807 came and went, and we outlawed slave trade. Had the South wanted to keep slavery they would have risen up then.

Along about the same time we abolished slave trade, a new invention hit the market, the cotton gin. This machine made the separation of cotton from seed a much easier task. However, the cotton still had to be planted and picked by hand, thus increasing the demand and dependency on slave labor. Northern industrialists went from making $150k per year on cotton to making over $8 million per year, virtually overnight. So the political motivation from both Northern industrialists and Southern plantation owners to end slavery, simply wasn't there. This is where you begin to depart from history and attempt to throw the yoke of blame around the neck of the South, instead of accepting Northern culpability.

Now, anyone with any sense whatsoever, can understand slavery was not going to spread to the western territories, there was no reason for slaves, cotton can't grow in the desert. Up until our western expansion, the policy had been allowing states to determine if they would be free or slave states. Again, anyone with a brain can see that eventually we're going to have more free states than slave states, and slavery would be ended. It was the abolitionists who sought to change this policy and only allow statehood to territories entering as free states. From there, all it would take is carving up a little land and creating enough free states to end slavery. The South saw where they were about to be fucked in the ass by the Federal government. The policy of allowing states to determine had been abandoned for this push to add new free states and abruptly end slavery.

Eventually, technology was coming that would render slave labor obsolete. Every plantation owner knew this. They had no delusions of being able to hold on to slavery forever. It was the Federal government abandoning it's own policy, breaking it's own deal and violating it's own Constitution, which outraged the Southern states. They didn't feel the government had that power, and the Supreme Court had ruled the government didn't have that power. This was the crux of the matter and rationale for the war from the South's perspective.
 
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