The Congress is the government body that is supposed to make laws, the Senate debates the law, and the President Signs the law.

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In Friday's 6-3 ruling in Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo, the Supreme Court overturned 40 years of administrative law precedent, a decision former federal prosecutor Shan Wu characterized on Saturday as a "revolution," with Justice Neil Gorsuch playing a key role.

The Court's decision dismantles the Chevron deference established in the 1984 case Chevron U.S.A. Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, one of the most cited cases in American law. This doctrine had instructed courts to defer to federal agencies' interpretations of ambiguous statutes, acknowledging that Congress often cannot resolve every detail in legislation.
The federal agencies who are not elected officials by the people, never should of been given any capabilities to RULE over the people. This Supreme Court now has made it so again. The rogue EPA needs to have a clean house again.


I have been in that building, it uses more energy than a small city. They should start with their own, and regulate themselves the way they waste tax dollars in energy usage.
 
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The federal agencies who are not elected officials by the people, never should of been given any capabilities to RULE over the people. This Supreme Court now has made it so again. The rogue EPA needs to have a clean house again.


I have been in that building, it uses more energy than a small city. They should start with their own, and regulate themselves the way they waste tax dollars in energy usage.
Legislative branch: The Congress has two houses, the House and the Senate.

Both the the House and the Senate debate proposals. The House does not make laws.

If something is not law until the President signs it, the Senate does not debate any law. The OP of this thread is just another average variety bullshitter trying to pass himself off as somehow informed beyond his Junior High School civics class edumacation.

Agencies do not rule over people. Their power derives from elected representatives and the Chief executive. .
 
Legislative branch: The Congress has two houses, the House and the Senate.

Both the the House and the Senate debate proposals. The House does not make laws.

If something is not law until the President signs it, the Senate does not debate any law. The OP of this thread is just another average variety bullshitter trying to pass himself off as somehow informed beyond his Junior High School civics class edumacation.

Agencies do not rule over people. Their power derives from elected representatives and the Chief executive. .



The First Amendment says: Congress shall make no laws ... You know, the thing (borrowing from your boy, POTATUS Biden)

So Congres does make laws.
 
First Amendment says ... Laws.

Bye.

reading and comprehension is the issue

The context of how one uses a word in the English language. The claim in the OP is that the House makes a law. Is it in the law books? Can it be enforced.

The claim is that the Senate debates a law. The President signs what -- a law into law?

See? Context, and more Reading and comprehension. What the OP infers is nonsense.

1984

2024

LOPER BRIGHT ENTERPRISES ET AL. v. RAIMONDO,
SECRETARY OF COMMERCE, ET AL.
 
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The federal agencies who are not elected officials by the people, never should of been given any capabilities to RULE over the people. This Supreme Court now has made it so again. The rogue EPA needs to have a clean house again.


I have been in that building, it uses more energy than a small city. They should start with their own, and regulate themselves the way they waste tax dollars in energy usage.
The comments here. Oh boy. I wonder how they even relate to the legal arguments.
 
The federal agencies who are not elected officials by the people, never should of been given any capabilities to RULE over the people. This Supreme Court now has made it so again. The rogue EPA needs to have a clean house again.

SCTOUS took the power from the agencies staffed by experts and gave it to the Judiciary, staffed by people that will have no knowledge of the matters they are ruling on.

Do you really think Congress is going to all of a sudden start doing their job again?

And is is really the job of congress to make every law so very specific that there is never any grey area?
 
Chevron "required courts to defer to executive agencies’ interpretations of statutes." The agencies in question are Executive branch creations. Other agencies were created by the Congress (two houses).

It's an ideological issue and as such is tearing the Court apart.

Supreme Court Extends Time Frame for Challenges to Regulations​

The ruling could amplify the impact of a separate decision overturning the Chevron doctrine, which had required courts to defer to executive agencies’ interpretations of statutes.

The Supreme Court on Monday gave companies more time to challenge many regulations, ruling that a six-year statute of limitations for filing lawsuits begins to run when a regulation first affects a company rather than when it is first issued.

The case was one of several this term challenging the power of executive agencies, and the ruling could amplify the effect of a blockbuster decision last week overturning a foundational doctrine known as Chevron deference.

The vote was 6 to 3, along ideological lines.



Chevron decision and it's outfall is all about ideological issues (and judicial philosophy), and as such is tearing the Court apart. When we see this sort of shit there will be backlash and it hurts the faith people have in the Judicial branch of government. But things go in cycles and people celebrating today will get the bill at a later date.

What concerns Dante most is how this affects the Court. CJ Robert's has had our respect. He is or was foremost an institutionalist before being an ideologue. Respect for the Court keeps falling. It's not all under CJ Roberts' control. But history will decide and note the recent cultural, legal, and ideological affects on the Judicial branch as defining the Roberts' Court.

note: Chevron deference
 
It was not Chevron that gutted the non-delegation clause, it was the Administrative Procedures Act passed under FDR.

All Chevron did was make it impossible to challenge an agency's interpretation of a law.

If we really wanted to get back the Framer's intent, we would repeal the APA.

The SCOTUS decision just allows for some oversight wrt the interpretations, it does not change the authority of the agencies to enact regulations that have the force of law.
 
reading and comprehension is the issue

The context of how one uses a word in the English language. The claim in the OP is that the House makes a law. Is it in the law books? Can it be enforced.

The claim is that the Senate debates a law. The President signs what -- a law into law?

See? Context, and more Reading and comprehension. What the OP infers is nonsense.

1984

2024

LOPER BRIGHT ENTERPRISES ET AL. v. RAIMONDO,
SECRETARY OF COMMERCE, ET AL.


Art. II, §2, cl. 2:

... whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law ...

 
Legislative branch: The Congress has two houses, the House and the Senate.

Both the the House and the Senate debate proposals. The House does not make laws.

If something is not law until the President signs it, the Senate does not debate any law. The OP of this thread is just another average variety bullshitter trying to pass himself off as somehow informed beyond his Junior High School civics class edumacation.

Agencies do not rule over people. Their power derives from elected representatives and the Chief executive. .
We have the commons and Lords, then it receives Royal assent by the head of state, the reigning King or Queen.

Exactly the same process in the US, but the wording is, Congress, Senate, and then signed into law by the head of state, the president.
 
That's how it was working semi-efficiently before EOs and the supremes giving it their all. Checks and balances are the most important part of our government.
 
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The federal agencies who are not elected officials by the people, never should of been given any capabilities to RULE over the people. This Supreme Court now has made it so again. The rogue EPA needs to have a clean house again.


I have been in that building, it uses more energy than a small city. They should start with their own, and regulate themselves the way they waste tax dollars in energy usage.

The Supreme Court is not elected representatives.

Only the Congress has the power to make laws.

Article 1 Section 1

All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

It says ALL LEGISLATIVE POWERS

Not some legislative powers

Not shared legislative powers

ALL LEGISLATIVE POWERS

The Supreme Court does not have the powers everybody thinks it does. The Founders of this country gave Congress power over the court, not the other way around.

This will be fixed.
 
The Supreme Court does not have the powers everybody thinks it does. The Founders of this country gave Congress power over the court, not the other way around.
That's the gist of the argument pro-lifers made for half a century, how does the above reconcile itself with the original roe-v-wade decision?
This will be fixed.
will it roll back the original roe-v-wade decision?

the courts job, amongst other things is as constitutional overseer of the legislative and executive branches, [with the media anointing itself as watchdog and final arbiter, hence the term "fourth estate"]...i.e. ensure that the laws enacted by either or both conform to the constitution...in Iran it is the responsibility of the Ayatollahs to make sure all laws conform to the Quaran...but ya might wanna give that a look see before taking it as fact.
 
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The Supreme Court is not elected representatives.

Only the Congress has the power to make laws.

Article 1 Section 1

All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

It says ALL LEGISLATIVE POWERS

Not some legislative powers

Not shared legislative powers

ALL LEGISLATIVE POWERS
What is the point of bringing this up?
 

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