The death of Thanksgiving?

[Pogo]

you can sit out there with those ridiculous noise-makers gobbling like a fool and not see shit all day

there are a few tricks to sway the balance

1- put the turkeys to bed
( after sunset go out the places you plan to hunt and make loud noises they will gobble
from the trees they are sleeping in -this gives you an idea of where they will be)

2-in the morning set up along natural and man made barriers
( the birds will tend to follow rather then cross )

3-use hot horny hen calls but not too much i use a mouth reed
(this goes against the nature of the bird but that tom will do a lot of strutting
with the look at me look at me dance
however if he has already set up with a female chances are that will fail until the current hen loses him )

4-do not make movements unless the bird is fully fanned with the fanned tail towards you
( turkeys can see almost in 360 degrees the fanned tail blocks their vision momentarily)

but that is for a springtime hunt

in the fall i usually try to run into a group

get them to scatter

then set up shop


then try to confuse the issue by pretending to be the the dominate hen

and try to call the flock back in order

I drive through a herd of wild turkeys every time I leave this subdivision. They don't even get out of the road when I blow the horn.

I hope that's facetious (?) Came across a large flock of turkeys the other day; what I did was stop and wait until they could see they were OK to cross the road and watched for other traffic to protect them. It's the ahimsa thing to do.

 

[koshergrl]

More retailers have announced they will open Thanksgiving Day for your shopping pleasure, so to speak. Is this appropriate?

Should Thanksgiving remain a holiday, unique to America, when families gather together to give thanks, share a meal and create their own Thanksgiving memories and traditions? Or should Thanksgiving be a day when Mom or Dad has to excuse himself and go to work because bargains are offered to shoppers readying themselves for a holiday happening four weeks hence?

Will you shop on Thanksgiving, or will you take advantage of the day and enjoy it with family and friends?

Sometimes bargains are not really worth it, don't you think? If they come at the expense of yours or the clerk's family, are they really bargains at all?

The US isn't the only country that celebrates Thanksgiving. Canada does but it is a different day. If people want to work or shop on Thanksgiving, that is their choice. Workers get the holiday, just not on the same day as everyone else. People who work places that never close take turns working the holidays. And many of them want to work because they get holiday pay. I am a nurse. I didn't get regular hours/days until well into my career. It's part of the drill. If you don't like it don't work for a place that never closes.

I remember one Thanksgiving my BIL brought me a BIG tray of food to work. But I worked other places that served the traditional meal and let children and spouses come eat with the workers.

I don't know why people see things in such black and white terms. There are a lot of deals in life. Working holidays is just one of them.

I don't think anyone objects to those business that have to be open on holidays, like hospitals, fire departments, police, etc. It's the idea that a business that doesn't HAVE to be open, opens it's doors purely for profit that is annoying. It will end up forcing people who would otherwise have been able to spend the holiday with their family, to work instead. One of the reasons why I've always hated that theaters are open on Thanksgiving. For some people they love going to the movies that day but for me, it was always a time to spend with the family.

Shop owners are not obliged to close their doors because you find them *annoying*.

And the people who work in those stores are not being *forced*. Again we run up against people who have no concept of what "force" means..and who maintain that if they have to work to make a living, then they're being *forced* to work.

It's the litany of the lazy.

 

[koshergrl]

you can sit out there with those ridiculous noise-makers gobbling like a fool and not see shit all day

there are a few tricks to sway the balance

1- put the turkeys to bed
( after sunset go out the places you plan to hunt and make loud noises they will gobble
from the trees they are sleeping in -this gives you an idea of where they will be)

2-in the morning set up along natural and man made barriers
( the birds will tend to follow rather then cross )

3-use hot horny hen calls but not too much i use a mouth reed
(this goes against the nature of the bird but that tom will do a lot of strutting
with the look at me look at me dance
however if he has already set up with a female chances are that will fail until the current hen loses him )

4-do not make movements unless the bird is fully fanned with the fanned tail towards you
( turkeys can see almost in 360 degrees the fanned tail blocks their vision momentarily)

but that is for a springtime hunt

in the fall i usually try to run into a group

get them to scatter

then set up shop


then try to confuse the issue by pretending to be the the dominate hen

and try to call the flock back in order

I drive through a herd of wild turkeys every time I leave this subdivision. They don't even get out of the road when I blow the horn.

I hope that's facetious (?) Came across a large flock of turkeys the other day; what I did was stop and wait until they could see they were OK to cross the road and watched for other traffic to protect them. It's the ahimsa thing to do.

It's cruel to honk at animals in the road?

 

[Spoonman]

More retailers have announced they will open Thanksgiving Day for your shopping pleasure, so to speak. Is this appropriate?

Should Thanksgiving remain a holiday, unique to America, when families gather together to give thanks, share a meal and create their own Thanksgiving memories and traditions? Or should Thanksgiving be a day when Mom or Dad has to excuse himself and go to work because bargains are offered to shoppers readying themselves for a holiday happening four weeks hence?

Will you shop on Thanksgiving, or will you take advantage of the day and enjoy it with family and friends?

Sometimes bargains are not really worth it, don't you think? If they come at the expense of yours or the clerk's family, are they really bargains at all?

not a chance in the world i will be out there with all the morons. I enjoy my holidays and my traditions and no one is going to change them.

 

[Pogo]

I drive through a herd of wild turkeys every time I leave this subdivision. They don't even get out of the road when I blow the horn.

I hope that's facetious (?) Came across a large flock of turkeys the other day; what I did was stop and wait until they could see they were OK to cross the road and watched for other traffic to protect them. It's the ahimsa thing to do.

It's cruel to honk at animals in the road?

It's cruel to honk at anything innocent, yup.

I like the occasional nice easy question.

 

[Foxfyre]

More retailers have announced they will open Thanksgiving Day for your shopping pleasure, so to speak. Is this appropriate?

Should Thanksgiving remain a holiday, unique to America, when families gather together to give thanks, share a meal and create their own Thanksgiving memories and traditions? Or should Thanksgiving be a day when Mom or Dad has to excuse himself and go to work because bargains are offered to shoppers readying themselves for a holiday happening four weeks hence?

Will you shop on Thanksgiving, or will you take advantage of the day and enjoy it with family and friends?

Sometimes bargains are not really worth it, don't you think? If they come at the expense of yours or the clerk's family, are they really bargains at all?

The US isn't the only country that celebrates Thanksgiving. Canada does but it is a different day. If people want to work or shop on Thanksgiving, that is their choice. Workers get the holiday, just not on the same day as everyone else. People who work places that never close take turns working the holidays. And many of them want to work because they get holiday pay. I am a nurse. I didn't get regular hours/days until well into my career. It's part of the drill. If you don't like it don't work for a place that never closes.

I remember one Thanksgiving my BIL brought me a BIG tray of food to work. But I worked other places that served the traditional meal and let children and spouses come eat with the workers.

I don't know why people see things in such black and white terms. There are a lot of deals in life. Working holidays is just one of them.

I don't think anyone objects to those business that have to be open on holidays, like hospitals, fire departments, police, etc. It's the idea that a business that doesn't HAVE to be open, opens it's doors purely for profit that is annoying. It will end up forcing people who would otherwise have been able to spend the holiday with their family, to work instead. One of the reasons why I've always hated that theaters are open on Thanksgiving. For some people they love going to the movies that day but for me, it was always a time to spend with the family.

But spending time with family at home has too often morphed into some of the group gravitating to the living room for hours of football and others, mostly the women, congregating in the kitchen cleaning up after the meal and then waiting until its time to get the food out for the next meal. And some of our group just don't find either one of those acivities all that compelling. I myself came to dread and hate it when I was much younger.

So several in our group do go out for hikes, for GPS scavenger hunts, and some often pick out a good movie to enjoy along with some energetic shopping at the mall. And they're having fun and that is family time too. And there is much of interest to discuss when we come together again to enjoy leftovers for the evening meal and then disperse.

 

[Sunshine]

More retailers have announced they will open Thanksgiving Day for your shopping pleasure, so to speak. Is this appropriate?

Should Thanksgiving remain a holiday, unique to America, when families gather together to give thanks, share a meal and create their own Thanksgiving memories and traditions? Or should Thanksgiving be a day when Mom or Dad has to excuse himself and go to work because bargains are offered to shoppers readying themselves for a holiday happening four weeks hence?

Will you shop on Thanksgiving, or will you take advantage of the day and enjoy it with family and friends?

Sometimes bargains are not really worth it, don't you think? If they come at the expense of yours or the clerk's family, are they really bargains at all?

The US isn't the only country that celebrates Thanksgiving. Canada does but it is a different day. If people want to work or shop on Thanksgiving, that is their choice. Workers get the holiday, just not on the same day as everyone else. People who work places that never close take turns working the holidays. And many of them want to work because they get holiday pay. I am a nurse. I didn't get regular hours/days until well into my career. It's part of the drill. If you don't like it don't work for a place that never closes.

I remember one Thanksgiving my BIL brought me a BIG tray of food to work. But I worked other places that served the traditional meal and let children and spouses come eat with the workers.

I don't know why people see things in such black and white terms. There are a lot of deals in life. Working holidays is just one of them.

I don't think anyone objects to those business that have to be open on holidays, like hospitals, fire departments, police, etc. It's the idea that a business that doesn't HAVE to be open, opens it's doors purely for profit that is annoying. It will end up forcing people who would otherwise have been able to spend the holiday with their family, to work instead. One of the reasons why I've always hated that theaters are open on Thanksgiving. For some people they love going to the movies that day but for me, it was always a time to spend with the family.

Unless a person has some vested interest such as having to work, they don't have a dog in the hunt. I know a lot of people who volunteer to work the holidays so they will get the extra pay. Then they take the day at a different time. If a person thinks it is wrong to shop on the holiday, there is no obligation to do so. But if you forgot the cranberries, it's kinda nice to be able to send someone out to get them.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, and no. You can argue that shopping at Thanksgiving will force more people into the workforce on that day and away from their families. As I said, it's self fulfilling. Soon Thanksgiving won't mean anything except the 1st day of shopping for Christmas. An end to a fine holiday.

Againsheila, your liberal friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a socialist authoritarian age. They do not believe except they are spoon fed by the liberal media. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Sheila, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, Sheila, there will still be Thanksgiving. It exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Thanksgiving. It would be as dreary as if there were no Sheilas. There would be no gorging on turkey then, no football, no drunken family squabbles to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which overeating fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in Thanksgiving if a few stores are open! You might as well not believe in cranberry sauce! You might get your papa to hire men to work on Thanksgiving to earn more money for their families, and some might think it a drag, but even if they did not eat with those families until they got home later, what would that prove? Some people have always worked on Thanksgiving, even if you don't see them from your living room, but that is no sign that there will be no Thanksgiving. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see how your Auntie Judy makes her famous stuffing? Of course not, but that's no proof that it's not there. Nobody can deny what comes out in the bathroom later.

You may tear apart the drumstick to get at the dark meat, but there is always a little stuck to the tendon which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can dig into that bird and consume the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Sheila, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

No Thanksgiving! Thank God! it lives, and it will live forever, even if some stores stay open and some people go to work. A thousand years from now, Sheila, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, we will continue to make pigs of ourselves then fall asleep on the sofa.
























- With deepest apologies to Francis Pharcellus Church

I know that was satire on the "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus," .

I was starting to wonder if anyone got it.

 

[Unkotare]

I just couldn't get past "you and your liberal friends." .

It was the only line that fit there.

 

[auditor0007]

More retailers have announced they will open Thanksgiving Day for your shopping pleasure, so to speak. Is this appropriate?

Should Thanksgiving remain a holiday, unique to America, when families gather together to give thanks, share a meal and create their own Thanksgiving memories and traditions? Or should Thanksgiving be a day when Mom or Dad has to excuse himself and go to work because bargains are offered to shoppers readying themselves for a holiday happening four weeks hence?

Will you shop on Thanksgiving, or will you take advantage of the day and enjoy it with family and friends?

Sometimes bargains are not really worth it, don't you think? If they come at the expense of yours or the clerk's family, are they really bargains at all?

Not a chance in Hell that I will go shopping on Thanksgiving. If all Americans had their senses about them, nobody would show up to shop. Just imagine how dumb these stores would look if nobody showed up. Unfortunately, people will wait outside all day, missing Thanksgiving with their families, all so they can push and shove other people to beat them to that $100 television they just have to have.

Personally, I am going to try to avoid any store that opens up before midnight after Thanksgiving Day. It will be hard though, because a lot of stores that I shop at are opening early.

 

[Pogo]

Againsheila, your liberal friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a socialist authoritarian age. They do not believe except they are spoon fed by the liberal media. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Sheila, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, Sheila, there will still be Thanksgiving. It exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Thanksgiving. It would be as dreary as if there were no Sheilas. There would be no gorging on turkey then, no football, no drunken family squabbles to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which overeating fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in Thanksgiving if a few stores are open! You might as well not believe in cranberry sauce! You might get your papa to hire men to work on Thanksgiving to earn more money for their families, and some might think it a drag, but even if they did not eat with those families until they got home later, what would that prove? Some people have always worked on Thanksgiving, even if you don't see them from your living room, but that is no sign that there will be no Thanksgiving. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see how your Auntie Judy makes her famous stuffing? Of course not, but that's no proof that it's not there. Nobody can deny what comes out in the bathroom later.

You may tear apart the drumstick to get at the dark meat, but there is always a little stuck to the tendon which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can dig into that bird and consume the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Sheila, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

No Thanksgiving! Thank God! it lives, and it will live forever, even if some stores stay open and some people go to work. A thousand years from now, Sheila, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, we will continue to make pigs of ourselves then fall asleep on the sofa.



- With deepest apologies to Francis Pharcellus Church

I know that was satire on the "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus," .

I was starting to wonder if anyone got it.

It was obvious. And your apologies weren't deep enough.

 

[koshergrl]

I hope that's facetious (?) Came across a large flock of turkeys the other day; what I did was stop and wait until they could see they were OK to cross the road and watched for other traffic to protect them. It's the ahimsa thing to do.

It's cruel to honk at animals in the road?

It's cruel to honk at anything innocent, yup.

I like the occasional nice easy question.

Really.

How does honking hurt them?

 

[Againsheila]

The US isn't the only country that celebrates Thanksgiving. Canada does but it is a different day. If people want to work or shop on Thanksgiving, that is their choice. Workers get the holiday, just not on the same day as everyone else. People who work places that never close take turns working the holidays. And many of them want to work because they get holiday pay. I am a nurse. I didn't get regular hours/days until well into my career. It's part of the drill. If you don't like it don't work for a place that never closes.

I remember one Thanksgiving my BIL brought me a BIG tray of food to work. But I worked other places that served the traditional meal and let children and spouses come eat with the workers.

I don't know why people see things in such black and white terms. There are a lot of deals in life. Working holidays is just one of them.

I don't think anyone objects to those business that have to be open on holidays, like hospitals, fire departments, police, etc. It's the idea that a business that doesn't HAVE to be open, opens it's doors purely for profit that is annoying. It will end up forcing people who would otherwise have been able to spend the holiday with their family, to work instead. One of the reasons why I've always hated that theaters are open on Thanksgiving. For some people they love going to the movies that day but for me, it was always a time to spend with the family.

Shop owners are not obliged to close their doors because you find them *annoying*.

And the people who work in those stores are not being *forced*. Again we run up against people who have no concept of what "force" means..and who maintain that if they have to work to make a living, then they're being *forced* to work.

It's the litany of the lazy.

You're right, shop owners have the right to open their shops whenever they please. Since most of their workers are low wage workers you can bet they are being "forced" to work or lose their jobs and have nothing. You're right, we have different ideas of what "forced" means. I'll bet you were all in favor of the company store and forcing the workers to make all their purchases there, weren't you?

 

[Againsheila]

More retailers have announced they will open Thanksgiving Day for your shopping pleasure, so to speak. Is this appropriate?

Should Thanksgiving remain a holiday, unique to America, when families gather together to give thanks, share a meal and create their own Thanksgiving memories and traditions? Or should Thanksgiving be a day when Mom or Dad has to excuse himself and go to work because bargains are offered to shoppers readying themselves for a holiday happening four weeks hence?

Will you shop on Thanksgiving, or will you take advantage of the day and enjoy it with family and friends?

Sometimes bargains are not really worth it, don't you think? If they come at the expense of yours or the clerk's family, are they really bargains at all?

not a chance in the world i will be out there with all the morons. I enjoy my holidays and my traditions and no one is going to change them.

That's what I said but now I'm being accused of being a liberal because I recognize that this will lead to the end of Thanksgiving as we know it. Just like the loss of stigma on illegitimate birth and divorce led to the end of marriage as we know it. Some people learn from history, others are doomed to repeat it. Unfortunately, the ones who are doomed to repeat it, they make it so those who learned are repeating it anyway.

Old times are gone, but they are not forgotten.

 

[Againsheila]

The US isn't the only country that celebrates Thanksgiving. Canada does but it is a different day. If people want to work or shop on Thanksgiving, that is their choice. Workers get the holiday, just not on the same day as everyone else. People who work places that never close take turns working the holidays. And many of them want to work because they get holiday pay. I am a nurse. I didn't get regular hours/days until well into my career. It's part of the drill. If you don't like it don't work for a place that never closes.

I remember one Thanksgiving my BIL brought me a BIG tray of food to work. But I worked other places that served the traditional meal and let children and spouses come eat with the workers.

I don't know why people see things in such black and white terms. There are a lot of deals in life. Working holidays is just one of them.

I don't think anyone objects to those business that have to be open on holidays, like hospitals, fire departments, police, etc. It's the idea that a business that doesn't HAVE to be open, opens it's doors purely for profit that is annoying. It will end up forcing people who would otherwise have been able to spend the holiday with their family, to work instead. One of the reasons why I've always hated that theaters are open on Thanksgiving. For some people they love going to the movies that day but for me, it was always a time to spend with the family.

Unless a person has some vested interest such as having to work, they don't have a dog in the hunt. I know a lot of people who volunteer to work the holidays so they will get the extra pay. Then they take the day at a different time. If a person thinks it is wrong to shop on the holiday, there is no obligation to do so. But if you forgot the cranberries, it's kinda nice to be able to send someone out to get them.

Yeah, but it's nicer not to forget them in the first place.

 

[koshergrl]

My recollections of T-day are all about football and Monopoly. I don't recall the entire world being shut down...we often went to catch a movie in the evening.

 

[Spoonman]

My recollections of T-day are all about football and Monopoly. I don't recall the entire world being shut down...we often went to catch a movie in the evening.

when i was a kid there were no stores in town to even be open. the town that had a highway going through it that had stores had blue laws that didn't allow them to open on sundays and holidays. it's still that way today.

 

[Pogo]

It's cruel to honk at animals in the road?

It's cruel to honk at anything innocent, yup.

I like the occasional nice easy question.

Really.

How does honking hurt them?

Did I say it "hurt"?

It's simply one species lording its own arrogance over another. It's an intimidation that's unnecessary. I wouldn't honk at an old lady crossing the street for exactly the same reason. Not rocket surgery.

The way I look at it, I was on a trip with a mission and an ETA --- but then, they are too, and I have no right to presume that mine is more important than theirs just because I'm driving a machine that has the physical capacity to run them over. On the contrary, I'll stop, make sure they cross OK and help keep them safe if I can.

So it wouldn't "hurt" them to honk; it would hurt me.

 

[Unkotare]

I know that was satire on the "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus," .

I was starting to wonder if anyone got it.

It was obvious. And your apologies weren't deep enough.

Well, I'm a pretty shallow person so that's about the best I can manage.

 

[koshergrl]

Fucking ridiculous. You honk at them to move them out of the road so that they don't cause a wreck, or get killed, and so you don't cause a traffic hazard by parking and getting out and wandering around the road like the lunatic you are.


Get a life. You're an idiot.