Zone1 The Ephod, according to Jewish teaching.

[Lisa558]

The OTHER 10 tribes are Jews as well.

Not sure what you’re trying to accomplish here other than to diminish an already very small minority and/or convince Jews that Gd did not specify that THEY - and not gentiles - were chosen to follow the Law. It’s a way to demean Jews.

 

[AsherN]

It's a classic way to argue that there are no more Jews, same with the Khazar thing. It's a way to delegitimize our claim to the land of Israel.

 

[irosie91]

Jews add lots of unnecessary things to the Law.

Jewish scholars, in a very democratic and logical system, determined the "lots of
unnecessary things" to be necessary,

 

[Lisa558]

Jews add lots of unnecessary things to the Law.

Christians make lots of unnecessary criticism of Jews.

 

[irosie91]

Christians make lots of unnecessary criticism of Jews.

so true------and having never read the book

 

[Woodznutz]

It's a classic way to argue that there are no more Jews, same with the Khazar thing. It's a way to delegitimize our claim to the land of Israel.

Not at all. The Jews are the only remaining tribe of the twelve tribes that have a 'national' identity. And you do have a legitimate claim to our ancient homeland.

 

[Woodznutz]

so true------and having never read the book

We read and study the same book that you do. I'm just trying to be helpful.

 

[Woodznutz]

The OTHER 10 tribes are Jews as well.

Actually, the descendants of the other 10 tribes became Christians. They were never Jews. When "Judaism" began those tribes were long gone.

 

[irosie91]

We read and study the same book that you do. I'm just trying to be helpful.

who is "We" and to what book do you refer?

 

[irosie91]

Actually, the descendants of the other 10 tribes became Christians. They were never Jews. When "Judaism" began those tribes were long gone.

the "descendents" of the 10 other tribes were GONE----before the Romans invented
Christianity----LONG BEFORE----in this case GONE means they were MERGED with
the people known as the "children of israel (jacob)" in the KINGDOM OF JUDEA ---
-----"JUDEA" because Jacob (Israel) named his son JUDAH as "royal heir" ---ie---
we is JOOOOS because of "KING JOOODAH" ---some of us are of the tribe of
LEVI -----but we are still known as JOOOOOS

 

[Lisa558]

Actually, the descendants of the other 10 tribes became Christians. They were never Jews. When "Judaism" began those tribes were long gone.

Yes, they eventually BECAME Christians* after their exile from Israel (which is why they are lost), but before that, the descendants of all 12 tribes, under Joshua, entered Israel (Canaan) as Jews. They had received the Law, given by Gd to Moses, during their travel from Egypt.

*Christiainity did not exist at the time the Jews were exiled.

 

[AsherN]

Not at all. The Jews are the only remaining tribe of the twelve tribes that have a 'national' identity. And you do have a legitimate claim to our ancient homeland.

You are so wrong about that. Jews are from all the tribes. Some converted, very often by force. The idea that unless you are from the tribe of Judah you are not a Jew is rather sickening. It is an attempt to make us disappear. You may "read" the book, but you don't study it. You can't study Torah without studying Talmud and Midrash. And you can't effectively study unless you can refer to the Hebrew text. Even the best direct translation by Jewish scholars lose some subtlety.

 

[Woodznutz]

who is "We" and to what book do you refer?

We Christians. The Bible.

 

[Woodznutz]

the "descendents" of the 10 other tribes were GONE----before the Romans invented
Christianity----LONG BEFORE----in this case GONE means they were MERGED with
the people known as the "children of israel (jacob)" in the KINGDOM OF JUDEA ---
-----"JUDEA" because Jacob (Israel) named his son JUDAH as "royal heir" ---ie---
we is JOOOOS because of "KING JOOODAH" ---some of us are of the tribe of
LEVI -----but we are still known as JOOOOOS

So, you believe that Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled?

 

[Woodznutz]

Yes, they eventually BECAME Christians* after their exile from Israel (which is why they are lost), but before that, the descendants of all 12 tribes, under Joshua, entered Israel (Canaan) as Jews. They had received the Law, given by Gd to Moses, during their travel from Egypt.

*Christiainity did not exist at the time the Jews were exiled.

Can you explain this map showing the division of lands among the twelve tribes after the conquest of Canaan?

 

[Woodznutz]

You are so wrong about that. Jews are from all the tribes. Some converted, very often by force. The idea that unless you are from the tribe of Judah you are not a Jew is rather sickening. It is an attempt to make us disappear. You may "read" the book, but you don't study it. You can't study Torah without studying Talmud and Midrash. And you can't effectively study unless you can refer to the Hebrew text. Even the best direct translation by Jewish scholars lose some subtlety.

True that some from the other tribes remained or returned to Judea, but most were long gone. Even those who remained kept their tribal identity. They were "Jews" only in the religious sense, since Judaism was the new name for worshipping God.

The translation of the sacred texts into languages other than Hebrew are for the descendants of the house of Israel, the ten 'lost' tribes as well as gentile converts, the Christian world.

 

[Lisa558]

Can you explain this map?

Yeah, those are the 12 tribes of the new Jewish people who were led by Moses into Israel from Egypt.

Such a shame that ten of them were lost after the Assyrians expelled them. They eventually assimilated with others, and as a result we have much fewer Jews in this world than we would otherwise.

 

[Lisa558]

True that some from the other tribes remained or returned to Judea, but most were long gone. Even those who remained kept their tribal identity. They were "Jews" only in the religious sense, since Judaism was the new name for worshipping God.

The translation of the sacred texts into languages other than Hebrew are for the descendants of the house of Israel, the ten 'lost' tribes as well as gentile converts, the Christian world.

They were only Jews in the religious sense?! Wow.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yeah, those are the 12 tribes of the new Jewish people who were led by Moses into Israel from Egypt.

Such a shame that ten of them were lost after the Assyrians expelled them. They eventually assimilated with others, and as a result we have much fewer Jews in this world than we would otherwise.

Israel was divided in the days of Rehoboam and Jeroboam. The Assyrian conquest happened much later. "Judaism" didn't exist until then.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yeah, those are the 12 tribes of the new Jewish people who were led by Moses into Israel from Egypt.

Such a shame that ten of them were lost after the Assyrians expelled them. They eventually assimilated with others, and as a result we have much fewer Jews in this world than we would otherwise.

You have fewer Jews because of God's prophetic punishments upon you.