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The question being addressed was government overreach.Try to follow the threadThey had no problem getting the government to enforce Jim Crow or the legal system to deny the vote and equal access to the justice system.I don't have to show you shit. There was no complaining by whites about government overreach when whites were making laws denying non whites or their civil rights.
"They"? We were talking about Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater never did that.
He was always a supporter of Civil Rights.
The question was government overreach
He's spot on.
The fact that you can't post more than two sentences isn't our issue. The fact that you are to lazy to read more that two sentences isn't our issue either.
Stop deflecting.
Do you struggle with reading too?
The question being addressed was government overreach.Try to follow the threadThey had no problem getting the government to enforce Jim Crow or the legal system to deny the vote and equal access to the justice system.
"They"? We were talking about Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater never did that.
He was always a supporter of Civil Rights.
The question was government overreach
He's spot on.
The fact that you can't post more than two sentences isn't our issue. The fact that you are to lazy to read more that two sentences isn't our issue either.
Stop deflecting.
Do you struggle with reading too?
And he was spot on in his argument.
If you want to present more than two sentences to make yours...feel free.
Otherwise, don't waste our time.
Goldwater voted AGAINST the Civil Rights ActTry to follow the threadThey had no problem getting the government to enforce Jim Crow or the legal system to deny the vote and equal access to the justice system.Where did he ever claim Goldwater said that?
Goldwater did say let the states decide on their own Civil Rights
I don't have to show you shit. There was no complaining by whites about government overreach when whites were making laws denying non whites or their civil rights.
"They"? We were talking about Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater never did that.
He was always a supporter of Civil Rights.
The question was government overreach
And Goldwater's position on it. YOur statement implies that he did those things, when you know he did not.
You are trying to be misleading, while giving yourself cover, by using vague pro-nouns.
You are a dishonest assshole.
Goldwater never supported Jim Crow and neither did the Republican Party. You are a lying asshole.
Goldwater voted AGAINST the Civil Rights ActTry to follow the threadThey had no problem getting the government to enforce Jim Crow or the legal system to deny the vote and equal access to the justice system.I don't have to show you shit. There was no complaining by whites about government overreach when whites were making laws denying non whites or their civil rights.
"They"? We were talking about Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater never did that.
He was always a supporter of Civil Rights.
The question was government overreach
And Goldwater's position on it. YOur statement implies that he did those things, when you know he did not.
You are trying to be misleading, while giving yourself cover, by using vague pro-nouns.
You are a dishonest assshole.
Goldwater never supported Jim Crow and neither did the Republican Party. You are a lying asshole.
Make of it what you want
LOL so now you try to redefine pro life. You are just an idiot. Remind us what the dems did to the dem that ran for president before Obama. Ohh and Zel Miller?View attachment 312087Funny how the whites who talk about democratic plantations can't seem to tell us when they will nominate a black presidential candidate.
I can tell you exactly when we republicans will nominate a black presidential candidate.
Blacks have been in our primaries. They get "equal opportunity" to get the nomination.
There are blacks speaking at GOP conventions.
When was the last time you saw a pro-life woman speak at a DNC convention ?
There has been no black nominee for president in the republican party. The "blacks" that speak at GOP conferences are sellouts used in order to validate the anti black agenda of the republican party. There have been all kinds of pro life women speaking at DNC affairs. Anti war, anti death penalty and gun control women are pro life. And like clockwork we get an example of a sellout racist whites use in order to move forward with their agenda. Thomas Sowell is a joke.
\trump has been a failure. Sheriff Clarke is mentally retarded and Candice Owens is dumber than he is..
Having read your fool fueled rants of vapid nothingness for a few years now? You seem to be as pissed today as you were when Barrypuppet was riding high. Are you one of those types that live to have a bug lodged up your ass and anger is actually fulfilling for you? Just askin'.........
I've spoken fact. You can't handle it.
There hasn't been a single thing that you have written that I "can't handle". I weigh, consider and reflect. All I see from you is unfettered anger and an unwillingness to let go of the past even though there are those like myself that see us all in the same fight and it's worse than you could even imagine as to what is being planned for all of us that are not in the .000001 percent.
You do not weigh or consider anything. You deny. This is not about the past idiot, it is all about right now. We are talking about continuing white racism. If white racism was a thing of the past, we would not be talking about it because it would not exist. So you can't be weighing or considering anything. Second, why people like you can be mad at what you claim is some kind of debt based monetary system but then act like we should not be angry because we get treated with no respect shows that you don't weigh or consider, but that you think we have no right to be angry and that we should just take it.
Whites give our theology a name, but you not believing in liberation theology shows that you have chosen to dismiss the experience blacks have had in America completely. What you believe is the same thing as white extremists. I generally have chosen to ignore your ignorance because what you believe is crazy. Your monetary system would not work and you really don't understand the nature of anything. And when you talk about being rooted in the past, your belief is some system based on a decision made during the depression is nothing but a belief based on the past and a lack of understanding of how our system operates based on conspiracy theories.
What is it that you claim I "deny"? I don't have the power to keep you down and if I had the power to raise you up and not make you feel inferior? I would do it in a heartbeat because no man is better than another all things being equal. My best friend and someone that I consider closer than kin isn't a white man. He is black and a mountain of a man with a heart as big as he is but we are kindred souls. I would gladly lay down my life for him without hesitation...it would be just reflex. We don't see color, we see the world in the same way.
Did you know that I lived in a condo complex that catered to singles? It was built right across from the old Dallas Cowboys practice facility before they moved to Valley Ranch in Irving, Texas during the Tom Landry era. A judge in Dallas ruled that it was discrimination for "singles only" communities to exclude and that since Plano and North Dallas didn't want subsidized housing projects built in their communities and wanted to keep blacks in places like Oak Cliff that they would subsidize housing in mostly white communities? That included where I lived. We had black families, mostly single black mothers with children getting subsidized housing in our condo community. These little children moved into a community that had no kind of accommodations for kids to have any kind of recreational activities? I saw these children bouncing a basketball or throwing a football in the parking lot. So, I built a basketball back board with anchors that I could easily hang up over MY parking space so these kids would have a place to play for a few hours a day after I got off work. I got notices from the "Association" telling me that my basketball goal hung over my own fucking paid for parking space was a violation and that neighbors were complaining. I knew my neighbors and they were the ones whose cars were many feet away from my space and they even signed a petition to attest to the fact that my portable basketball goal was in no way infringing on their ability to park or endangered their vehicles but yet I was to be fined unless I refrained from putting up my plywood basketball backboard and goal over my own fucking parking space that I paid for. Guess who the whiner was? An old black lady that was a school teacher whose car was nowhere near where our little court was.........I spent my own money, I paid for the parking spot and I was a mentor to kids that didn't have any kind of recreational activities or a male role model...so how fucking DARE you accuse ME of being racist. You don't know me, you can't even presume to stand in judgement of me. I care about people regardless of the tint of their skin. I don't see color, I see people. You? If they have white skin then they must be the devil. I could really bust on you and how you have offended me but you wouldn't see anything else but how you want to see it.
BTW, Liberation theology was brought about by the Jesuits that were complicit in the slave trade....bet you had no idea about that, one.....
Umm...you were the one jumping to a conclusionGoldwater voted AGAINST the Civil Rights ActTry to follow the threadThey had no problem getting the government to enforce Jim Crow or the legal system to deny the vote and equal access to the justice system.
"They"? We were talking about Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater never did that.
He was always a supporter of Civil Rights.
The question was government overreach
And Goldwater's position on it. YOur statement implies that he did those things, when you know he did not.
You are trying to be misleading, while giving yourself cover, by using vague pro-nouns.
You are a dishonest assshole.
Goldwater never supported Jim Crow and neither did the Republican Party. You are a lying asshole.
Make of it what you want
Except you leapt from that, to talking about supporting the use of government power to enforce Jim Crow.
YOU did that, not me. So, drop your pretense that you did not.
His stated reason was not opposition to Civil Rights but concern about how that particular bill addressed the issue.
Considering his life long support of Civil Rights AND smaller government, that position is highly credible.
Thus his position and his presidential run was not the beginning of the debunked conspiracy theory of "The Southern Strategy".
LOL claiming someone against abortion is NOT pro life, how VERY FUCKING Moronic of you.LOL so now you try to redefine pro life. You are just an idiot. Remind us what the dems did to the dem that ran for president before Obama. Ohh and Zel Miller?View attachment 312087I can tell you exactly when we republicans will nominate a black presidential candidate.
Blacks have been in our primaries. They get "equal opportunity" to get the nomination.
There are blacks speaking at GOP conventions.
When was the last time you saw a pro-life woman speak at a DNC convention ?
There has been no black nominee for president in the republican party. The "blacks" that speak at GOP conferences are sellouts used in order to validate the anti black agenda of the republican party. There have been all kinds of pro life women speaking at DNC affairs. Anti war, anti death penalty and gun control women are pro life. And like clockwork we get an example of a sellout racist whites use in order to move forward with their agenda. Thomas Sowell is a joke.
I have not redefined anything. Pro life means for life. So all the people I mentioned are for life. Del Miller was not for life, he was anti abortion.
\Having read your fool fueled rants of vapid nothingness for a few years now? You seem to be as pissed today as you were when Barrypuppet was riding high. Are you one of those types that live to have a bug lodged up your ass and anger is actually fulfilling for you? Just askin'.........
I've spoken fact. You can't handle it.
There hasn't been a single thing that you have written that I "can't handle". I weigh, consider and reflect. All I see from you is unfettered anger and an unwillingness to let go of the past even though there are those like myself that see us all in the same fight and it's worse than you could even imagine as to what is being planned for all of us that are not in the .000001 percent.
You do not weigh or consider anything. You deny. This is not about the past idiot, it is all about right now. We are talking about continuing white racism. If white racism was a thing of the past, we would not be talking about it because it would not exist. So you can't be weighing or considering anything. Second, why people like you can be mad at what you claim is some kind of debt based monetary system but then act like we should not be angry because we get treated with no respect shows that you don't weigh or consider, but that you think we have no right to be angry and that we should just take it.
Whites give our theology a name, but you not believing in liberation theology shows that you have chosen to dismiss the experience blacks have had in America completely. What you believe is the same thing as white extremists. I generally have chosen to ignore your ignorance because what you believe is crazy. Your monetary system would not work and you really don't understand the nature of anything. And when you talk about being rooted in the past, your belief is some system based on a decision made during the depression is nothing but a belief based on the past and a lack of understanding of how our system operates based on conspiracy theories.
What is it that you claim I "deny"? I don't have the power to keep you down and if I had the power to raise you up and not make you feel inferior? I would do it in a heartbeat because no man is better than another all things being equal. My best friend and someone that I consider closer than kin isn't a white man. He is black and a mountain of a man with a heart as big as he is but we are kindred souls. I would gladly lay down my life for him without hesitation...it would be just reflex. We don't see color, we see the world in the same way.
Did you know that I lived in a condo complex that catered to singles? It was built right across from the old Dallas Cowboys practice facility before they moved to Valley Ranch in Irving, Texas during the Tom Landry era. A judge in Dallas ruled that it was discrimination for "singles only" communities to exclude and that since Plano and North Dallas didn't want subsidized housing projects built in their communities and wanted to keep blacks in places like Oak Cliff that they would subsidize housing in mostly white communities? That included where I lived. We had black families, mostly single black mothers with children getting subsidized housing in our condo community. These little children moved into a community that had no kind of accommodations for kids to have any kind of recreational activities? I saw these children bouncing a basketball or throwing a football in the parking lot. So, I built a basketball back board with anchors that I could easily hang up over MY parking space so these kids would have a place to play for a few hours a day after I got off work. I got notices from the "Association" telling me that my basketball goal hung over my own fucking paid for parking space was a violation and that neighbors were complaining. I knew my neighbors and they were the ones whose cars were many feet away from my space and they even signed a petition to attest to the fact that my portable basketball goal was in no way infringing on their ability to park or endangered their vehicles but yet I was to be fined unless I refrained from putting up my plywood basketball backboard and goal over my own fucking parking space that I paid for. Guess who the whiner was? An old black lady that was a school teacher whose car was nowhere near where our little court was.........I spent my own money, I paid for the parking spot and I was a mentor to kids that didn't have any kind of recreational activities or a male role model...so how fucking DARE you accuse ME of being racist. You don't know me, you can't even presume to stand in judgement of me. I care about people regardless of the tint of their skin. I don't see color, I see people. You? If they have white skin then they must be the devil. I could really bust on you and how you have offended me but you wouldn't see anything else but how you want to see it.
BTW, Liberation theology was brought about by the Jesuits that were complicit in the slave trade....bet you had no idea about that, one.....
You don't know me either but you have made the same racist assumptions as the other right wing extremists here. The Jesuits had nothing to do with what blacks teach. I know this because I am black, my father was a preacher and I do go to church.
The Hive Mind mentality is strong with you. You don't even believe black conservatives are really black.View attachment 312087Funny how the whites who talk about democratic plantations can't seem to tell us when they will nominate a black presidential candidate.
I can tell you exactly when we republicans will nominate a black presidential candidate.
Blacks have been in our primaries. They get "equal opportunity" to get the nomination.
There are blacks speaking at GOP conventions.
When was the last time you saw a pro-life woman speak at a DNC convention ?
There has been no black nominee for president in the republican party. The "blacks" that speak at GOP conferences are sellouts used in order to validate the anti black agenda of the republican party. There have been all kinds of pro life women speaking at DNC affairs. Anti war, anti death penalty and gun control women are pro life. And like clockwork we get an example of a sellout racist whites use in order to move forward with their agenda. Thomas Sowell is a joke.
Yeah? So? Doesn't alter the reality.I am calling bullshit on that one.That's the view of white liberals, actually.They are big on the 'Blacks are not smart enough to know what is good for them' forum.Funny how the whites who talk about democratic plantations can't seem to tell us when they will nominate a black presidential candidate.
And the Democrats created the Ku Klux Klan as their terrorist arm to keep those former slaves in line.It was also to enforce civil rights and protect former slaves.Reconstruction was about reconstructing the South, repairing all the war damage the North did. Had nothing to do with civil rights.That is absolutely false. The Republican Party has supported civil rights for all since its establishment.Such as...?
But it's interesting that you set the cutoff at 50 years. Because if you'd gone back further, you'd have forced me to illustrate the Democratic Party's opposition to civil rights legislation since the founding of the GOP.
Unfortunately for you, you will find that the republican party was just as much in opposition if you go further back.
No it is not false. Rutherford Hayes made an agreement with southern democrats to remove troops from southern states if they vote him into the presidency and that ended reconstruction. I can keep going with examples of republican opposition to civil rights before and after the 1965 Civil Rights Act was passed.
So if that's the best you've got, you've got nothing.
Republicans sold them out and withdrew military forces in an agreement to win a disputed Presidential election.
Yeah? So? Doesn't alter the reality.I am calling bullshit on that one.That's the view of white liberals, actually.They are big on the 'Blacks are not smart enough to know what is good for them' forum.Funny how the whites who talk about democratic plantations can't seem to tell us when they will nominate a black presidential candidate.
Yeah? So? Doesn't alter the reality.I am calling bullshit on that one.That's the view of white liberals, actually.They are big on the 'Blacks are not smart enough to know what is good for them' forum.Funny how the whites who talk about democratic plantations can't seem to tell us when they will nominate a black presidential candidate.
Yeah? So? Doesn't alter the reality.I am calling bullshit on that one.That's the view of white liberals, actually.They are big on the 'Blacks are not smart enough to know what is good for them' forum.Funny how the whites who talk about democratic plantations can't seem to tell us when they will nominate a black presidential candidate.
Yeah? So? Doesn't alter the reality.I am calling bullshit on that one.That's the view of white liberals, actually.They are big on the 'Blacks are not smart enough to know what is good for them' forum.Funny how the whites who talk about democratic plantations can't seem to tell us when they will nominate a black presidential candidate.
Yes it does.Yeah? So? Doesn't alter the reality.I am calling bullshit on that one.That's the view of white liberals, actually.They are big on the 'Blacks are not smart enough to know what is good for them' forum.Funny how the whites who talk about democratic plantations can't seem to tell us when they will nominate a black presidential candidate.
And the Democrats created the Ku Klux Klan as their terrorist arm to keep those former slaves in line.It was also to enforce civil rights and protect former slaves.Reconstruction was about reconstructing the South, repairing all the war damage the North did. Had nothing to do with civil rights.That is absolutely false. The Republican Party has supported civil rights for all since its establishment.Unfortunately for you, you will find that the republican party was just as much in opposition if you go further back.
No it is not false. Rutherford Hayes made an agreement with southern democrats to remove troops from southern states if they vote him into the presidency and that ended reconstruction. I can keep going with examples of republican opposition to civil rights before and after the 1965 Civil Rights Act was passed.
So if that's the best you've got, you've got nothing.
Republicans sold them out and withdrew military forces in an agreement to win a disputed Presidential election.
KKK was a conservative organizationAnd the Democrats created the Ku Klux Klan as their terrorist arm to keep those former slaves in line.It was also to enforce civil rights and protect former slaves.Reconstruction was about reconstructing the South, repairing all the war damage the North did. Had nothing to do with civil rights.That is absolutely false. The Republican Party has supported civil rights for all since its establishment.Unfortunately for you, you will find that the republican party was just as much in opposition if you go further back.
No it is not false. Rutherford Hayes made an agreement with southern democrats to remove troops from southern states if they vote him into the presidency and that ended reconstruction. I can keep going with examples of republican opposition to civil rights before and after the 1965 Civil Rights Act was passed.
So if that's the best you've got, you've got nothing.
Republicans sold them out and withdrew military forces in an agreement to win a disputed Presidential election.
Try to follow the threadThey had no problem getting the government to enforce Jim Crow or the legal system to deny the vote and equal access to the justice system.Where did he ever claim Goldwater said that?
Goldwater did say let the states decide on their own Civil Rights
I don't have to show you shit. There was no complaining by whites about government overreach when whites were making laws denying non whites or their civil rights.
"They"? We were talking about Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater never did that.
He was always a supporter of Civil Rights.
The question was government overreach
And Goldwater's position on it. YOur statement implies that he did those things, when you know he did not.
You are trying to be misleading, while giving yourself cover, by using vague pro-nouns.
You are a dishonest assshole.
Goldwater never supported Jim Crow and neither did the Republican Party. You are a lying asshole.
My parents and grandparents were Republicans back in the 50's and early 60's.
They gave the middle finger to that party when Barry Goldwater opposed the civil rights act of 1964, which contributed to Johnson winning by a landslide, then he further insulted the intelligence of black voters by justifying his position, claiming that the civil rights act was a "government overreach".
They are all politicians and are dirty on both sides, and black citizens would be far better off just focusing more on local elections that have an immediate impact on their self interest.
There will never be another black POTUS in America again.
After what Obama endured, what sane black person would even want to be president of this country?
Why do you assume that Barry Goldwater was not sincere in his concerns about government overreach?
Where did I state that I didn't think he was sincere about his concerns?
It appears that you "assumed" what I think.
Obviously he was more concerned with "government overreach" than he was the rights of people.
If he was sincere in his stated concern about government overreach, then he was not insulting the intelligence of blacks , when he made that statement.
It would only have been an insult to their intelligence if it was not only a lie, but a stupid lie.
If his concern was sincere, and his stated reason was the truth, then his opposition to that particular bill was not opposition to the idea of civil rights but how it was being done in that bill.
That thought is not even logical. Obviously he put staying within the confines of "government limits" over ensuring equal rights for ALL Americans.
Which was a conflict with what blacks wanted. But it was not an insult to their intelligence. It would only have been an insult to their intelligence if he has been lying about why he was doing it. That was my point. It is pathetic that you cannot admit that.
Why should any American have to "wait" for equal treatment in what is supposed be the so called
"land of the free"?
Because the cure had the potential to be another additional problem for the country.
As tax paying citizens, black people were entitled to the same rights as every other citizen, and he apparantly believed that it was ACCEPTABLE for them to be selectively discriminated against at the whim of any state at any time, while he and his fellow oppressors "decided how to make the bill more palatable to the majority". That was nothing but the same ideology that the Confederacy supported prior to the start of the civil war.
No, it is not. Stating that he believed that the way the bill went about it was wrong, is not the same as being against the goal.
It was a moral issue to black citizens during that era, and was definately an INSULT.
Bullshit. It was a practical matter of self interest to blacks. And Goldwater disagreeing with them on how to get there, was NOT an insult to them. It was a political disagreement.
It was only an insult to their intelligence, if he was LYING about his reasons. Which is why you denying that you said that, is stupid.
Unlike you, I am old enough to recall the outrage over it, and black voters responded as they should have.....at the polls.
That is a no brainer, and it will be a well deserved footnote in Goldwaters legacy for eternity.
It is understandable that blacks, suffering under Jim Crow, and facing real racism and discrimination, were not patient with any discussion of METHODS, of fighting racism and discrimination.
IMO, that blame for the lie, lies with the dem liberals, who told and still tell them.
Democrats don't tell us shit. Conservatives tell us they hate us. Forums like this show us that.Democrats take sadistic pleasure in telling blacks that conservatives hate them!
