The Iranian Mad Man.

[Roudy]

Ah..so exactly what was the remedy to imperialism?

How do you think America handled it?

They ask the king nicely to become independent?

You need to have lived in a Middle Eastern country to understand that establishing anything resembling a democracy would take 3 to 4 decades at least. Did Iran establish a "democracy" when the Shah was removed? Did Egypt and all those "Arab Spring" countries? You need to understand the culture of a people that have lived like this for thousands of years, the high illiteracy rate (which doesn't lend well to having a democracy), the religiosity of the people and the religion itself (which very clearly is the antecedent of democracy) and their history. You cannot place the European or American models for democracy on the middle east.

But you are free to think what you want. Whereas I'm coming from a point of view of real life experience with me and generations of my family having gone through several such "revolutions " in the middle east.

They VOTED in a president. America didn't like him..and had him removed. Then they INSTALLED a Shah.

Seems they tried Democracy..and fair play. And the very people that espouse that..beat down their Democracy.

Do you really think a Democracy would have been established then, or would all the instabilty have given the Russians the green light to invade Iran, acquire its oil fields, control over the Persian Gulf, and a warm water seaport which would lead to a third world war with nukes this time? Didn't they do exactly THAT to Afganistan when we had another weak president named Carter in office? You see, it's not that simple.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ah..so exactly what was the remedy to imperialism?

How do you think America handled it?

They ask the king nicely to become independent?

You need to have lived in a Middle Eastern country to understand that establishing anything resembling a democracy would take 3 to 4 decades at least. Did Iran establish a "democracy" when the Shah was removed? Did Egypt and all those "Arab Spring" countries? You need to understand the culture of a people that have lived like this for thousands of years, the high illiteracy rate (which doesn't lend well to having a democracy), the religiosity of the people and the religion itself (which very clearly is the antecedent of democracy) and their history. You cannot place the European or American models for democracy on the middle east.

But you are free to think what you want. Whereas I'm coming from a point of view of real life experience with me and generations of my family having gone through several such "revolutions " in the middle east.

They VOTED in a president. America didn't like him..and had him removed. Then they INSTALLED a Shah.

Seems they tried Democracy..and fair play. And the very people that espouse that..beat down their Democracy.

We love democracy.

As long as they do not elect the wrong people.

 

[Sallow]

You need to have lived in a Middle Eastern country to understand that establishing anything resembling a democracy would take 3 to 4 decades at least. Did Iran establish a "democracy" when the Shah was removed? Did Egypt and all those "Arab Spring" countries? You need to understand the culture of a people that have lived like this for thousands of years, the high illiteracy rate (which doesn't lend well to having a democracy), the religiosity of the people and the religion itself (which very clearly is the antecedent of democracy) and their history. You cannot place the European or American models for democracy on the middle east.

But you are free to think what you want. Whereas I'm coming from a point of view of real life experience with me and generations of my family having gone through several such "revolutions " in the middle east.

They VOTED in a president. America didn't like him..and had him removed. Then they INSTALLED a Shah.

Seems they tried Democracy..and fair play. And the very people that espouse that..beat down their Democracy.

Do you really think a Democracy would have been established then, or would all the instabilty have given the Russians the green light to invade Iran, acquire its oil fields, control over the Persian Gulf, and a warm water seaport which would lead to a third world water with nukes this time? Didn't they do exactly THAT to Afganistan when we had another weak president named Carter in office? You see, it's not that simple.

Afghanistan?

Really?

Oh gosh.



Apple meet Orange.

 

[member]

Sallow: "Howard Stern use to do a very funny bit on it: "Who is the Jew?"

"Howard Stern is not a Jew"

"]"His paternal Grandparents, Froim and Anna (Gallar) Stern, and maternal Grandparents, Sol and Esther (Reich) Schiffman, emigrated to America from Austria-Hungary."

He was raised in a Jewish family--barmitzvah--circumsized.........i used to watch his show in early '90's (his take on "hollywood squares"), then watched his regular show, listen on the radio/satellie. people like to listen to him on the way to work -- haven't listened to him in a while...he doesn't change though, same guy thru the years. i don't think he believes in God ? or goes to temple to pray and thank God for all that he has.

His movie - Private Parts - excellent movie. Great music in it - it's funny...he's a good actor...

 

[Roudy]

They VOTED in a president. America didn't like him..and had him removed. Then they INSTALLED a Shah.

Seems they tried Democracy..and fair play. And the very people that espouse that..beat down their Democracy.

Do you really think a Democracy would have been established then, or would all the instabilty have given the Russians the green light to invade Iran, acquire its oil fields, control over the Persian Gulf, and a warm water seaport which would lead to a third world water with nukes this time? Didn't they do exactly THAT to Afganistan when we had another weak president named Carter in office? You see, it's not that simple.

Afghanistan?

Really?

Oh gosh.



Apple meet Orange.

The Russians did invade Afghanistsn didnt they? Actually Iran was even worse, the height of the cold war, and there we have a so called revolution in an oil rich country which is our ally, has warm water ports, and has control over the Persian Gulf the main artery of oil flow in the world. That's three red alerts if you're the US and NATO allies, especially the warm water ports which was critical for Russia which didn't have any and it would change the balance of power. There was no way the West was going to sit there and see how Iran pans out. And thats probably because they also knew there was never going to be a Democracy in Iran either. As much as the much touted democracy didn't happen after the 79 revolution in Iran or the Arab spring.

 

[pbel]

Do you really think a Democracy would have been established then, or would all the instabilty have given the Russians the green light to invade Iran, acquire its oil fields, control over the Persian Gulf, and a warm water seaport which would lead to a third world water with nukes this time? Didn't they do exactly THAT to Afganistan when we had another weak president named Carter in office? You see, it's not that simple.

Afghanistan?

Really?

Oh gosh.



Apple meet Orange.

The Russians did invade Afghanistsn didnt they? Actually Iran was even worse, the height of the cold war, and there we have a so called revolution in an oil rich country which is our ally, has warm water ports, and has control over the Persian Gulf the main artery of oil flow in the world. That's three red alerts if you're the US and NATO allies, especially the warm water ports which was critical for Russia which didn't have any and it would change the balance of power. There was no way the West was going to sit there and see how Iran pans out. And thats probably because they also knew there was never going to be a Democracy in Iran either. As much as the much touted democracy didn't happen after the 79 revolution in Iran or the Arab spring.

I hate to admit that Roudy got the Geo-Politics in this one right on the nose...Sovereign countries act in their own interests, that's why Netanyahu thumbed his nose to Obama and the world about settlement building...

Democracy is always suberted when it comes to self-interest, kinda like people.

 

[Sallow]

Do you really think a Democracy would have been established then, or would all the instabilty have given the Russians the green light to invade Iran, acquire its oil fields, control over the Persian Gulf, and a warm water seaport which would lead to a third world water with nukes this time? Didn't they do exactly THAT to Afganistan when we had another weak president named Carter in office? You see, it's not that simple.

Afghanistan?

Really?

Oh gosh.



Apple meet Orange.

The Russians did invade Afghanistsn didnt they? Actually Iran was even worse, the height of the cold war, and there we have a so called revolution in an oil rich country which is our ally, has warm water ports, and has control over the Persian Gulf the main artery of oil flow in the world. That's three red alerts if you're the US and NATO allies, especially the warm water ports which was critical for Russia which didn't have any and it would change the balance of power. There was no way the West was going to sit there and see how Iran pans out. And thats probably because they also knew there was never going to be a Democracy in Iran either. As much as the much touted democracy didn't happen after the 79 revolution in Iran or the Arab spring.

Yeah..they did invade. And it wasn't over oil. It was because a government, friendly to them, was besieged by Islamic fundamentalists. Guess which side the US took? It had nothing to do with oil. Well..almost nothing. The Russians were looking for a way to get their oil to market and wanted a pipeline to through that country. However, the US, looking for a way to embarrass Russia...decided it would be a lark to have the nuts win there. Great stuff.

And it's highly unlikely the Russians would have gone to Iran. Outside the Warsaw pact, they weren't all that successful, or very interested in exporting their power, despite American fears..which were ludicrous for the most part. The US has been on this wacked out uber fearful war footing for quite some time. Some of it (and it was probably very little) was well founded. But for the most part, the whole idea of this big amorphous red blob of communism taking over the world was hysterical fear probably which had some roots in the military/oil/industrial complex that a cabal of very rich folks spend alot of time and money fostering.

 

[Roudy]

Afghanistan?

Really?

Oh gosh.



Apple meet Orange.

The Russians did invade Afghanistsn didnt they? Actually Iran was even worse, the height of the cold war, and there we have a so called revolution in an oil rich country which is our ally, has warm water ports, and has control over the Persian Gulf the main artery of oil flow in the world. That's three red alerts if you're the US and NATO allies, especially the warm water ports which was critical for Russia which didn't have any and it would change the balance of power. There was no way the West was going to sit there and see how Iran pans out. And thats probably because they also knew there was never going to be a Democracy in Iran either. As much as the much touted democracy didn't happen after the 79 revolution in Iran or the Arab spring.

Yeah..they did invade. And it wasn't over oil. It was because a government, friendly to them, was besieged by Islamic fundamentalists. Guess which side the US took? It had nothing to do with oil. Well..almost nothing. The Russians were looking for a way to get their oil to market and wanted a pipeline to through that country. However, the US, looking for a way to embarrass Russia...decided it would be a lark to have the nuts win there. Great stuff.

And it's highly unlikely the Russians would have gone to Iran. Outside the Warsaw pact, they weren't all that successful, or very interested in exporting their power, despite American fears..which were ludicrous for the most part. The US has been on this wacked out uber fearful war footing for quite some time. Some of it (and it was probably very little) was well founded. But for the most part, the whole idea of this big amorphous red blob of communism taking over the world was hysterical fear probably which had some roots in the military/oil/industrial complex that a cabal of very rich folks spend alot of time and money fostering.

Whether or not fear of the Soviet Empire was justified, it played a major role in almost every foreign policy decision back then. China wasn't even a factor then. Even, one of the main reasons that US became close allies with Israel was because the Arabs states had become client puppet states of the Soviets, and the US had just sat and watched the Arabs armed with Soviet weapons attacking Israel. There are also those that believe that another reason the Shah was toppled by the West was because they didn't feel he was strong enough to withstand a Soviet invasion, and an Islamist based state would probably fight better against the communists. Look up "Carter's Green Belt Policy":

Iran Politics Club: Shirin Ebadi Show: Heroine of Reforms & Islamic Democracy – Ahreeman X

Jimmy Carter is one of the most indecisioned, weak, tragic and useless presidents that United States ever had! His global foreign policy had brought the US to her knees! His disastrous foreign policies caused America to lose the Panama Canal and along with it Panama to the arms of a Dictatorial Drug Dealing Regime. His catastrophic so-called Human Rights policy had destroyed Iran (1979).

It is strictly Carter’s bad policy and CIA’s sad policy that United States of America had lost her greatest Ally in the Middle East and one of her greatest partners in the world, the Imperial Iran. In returns, America ended up with one of her greatest and formidable enemies in the world, the Islamic Republic of Iran, which after 30 years, they are still at each other’s throats! Carter’s sad policies had resulted in the Creation of the Fundamentalism in the whole region. Carter’s Green Belt policy around the Ex Soviet Union to create an Islamic Green Belt around the Communist Russia, was the main cause for the creation of the IRI in Iran, Taliban in Afghanistan and Al Qaeda in the whole region! In a way, Carter and CIA are largely responsible for the birth of the Neo Islamist Fundamentalism.

Carter gave birth to Khomeini and in returns Khomeini gave birth to the global Islamist Fundamentalism. Carter’s horrible policies resulted in Americans being held as hostages for 444 days in Iran. Carter’s disastrous policies had resulted in astronomical rise in the price of gas and breakdown of the America’s prestige as a strong super power around the world. After Carter, every two bit political group or terrorist organization around the world, started to mess with America, kill American military and civilians and hold Americans as hostages. They started calling America the “Paper Tiger”! So Carter had basically brought grand catastrophe to America. Carter is the father of Liberal Pacifism, Appeasement Policies, and Head Guru of the American Democratic Party. It is directly Carter, CIA and Democrats’ faults that destroyed the prestige of America around the world, but most important, they are responsible for the destruction of the progressive Iran.

The Imperial Iran was a dictatorship, but at least a progressive, nationalist and a reformable dictatorship. Islamic Republic of Iran is a reactionary and irreformable theocratic dictatorship, which despises nationalism and loves Islam and Islamist Fundamentalism. I still remember that famous speech of Carter in Tehran! At a banquet with Shah present, Carter stated that: “Today, Iran is an island of stability in a troubled region!” Carter had made this statement exactly at the moment that the whole nation was about to be exploded in a bloody revolution! That was how out of touch were Carter, CIA and the Democrats. Every time Democrats are in power, the United States Foreign Policy goes down the toilet and along with it the American benefits around the globe!

At Shah’s time, there were only 3,000 political prisoners in jails. Today there are over 30,000 political prisoners in jails. At Shah’s time, there were random executions in Iran. Today, there are monthly murders and once a while mass murders in Iran. Only in the 80s, IRI had mass murdered over 30,000 opposition members and arrested another 30,000 for long prison terms.

 

[Roudy]

Afghanistan?

Really?

Oh gosh.



Apple meet Orange.

The Russians did invade Afghanistsn didnt they? Actually Iran was even worse, the height of the cold war, and there we have a so called revolution in an oil rich country which is our ally, has warm water ports, and has control over the Persian Gulf the main artery of oil flow in the world. That's three red alerts if you're the US and NATO allies, especially the warm water ports which was critical for Russia which didn't have any and it would change the balance of power. There was no way the West was going to sit there and see how Iran pans out. And thats probably because they also knew there was never going to be a Democracy in Iran either. As much as the much touted democracy didn't happen after the 79 revolution in Iran or the Arab spring.

I hate to admit that Roudy got the Geo-Politics in this one right on the nose...Sovereign countries act in their own interests, that's why Netanyahu thumbed his nose to Obama and the world about settlement building...

Democracy is always suberted when it comes to self-interest, kinda like people.

No such thing as a true democracy in the world. We do have nations which are democratic and not at all, and some that are somewhere in the middle.

A business friend of mine told me once, "the only real democracy is death...everyone gets a piece of it." True story.

 

[Roudy]

You need to have lived in a Middle Eastern country to understand that establishing anything resembling a democracy would take 3 to 4 decades at least. Did Iran establish a "democracy" when the Shah was removed? Did Egypt and all those "Arab Spring" countries? You need to understand the culture of a people that have lived like this for thousands of years, the high illiteracy rate (which doesn't lend well to having a democracy), the religiosity of the people and the religion itself (which very clearly is the antecedent of democracy) and their history. You cannot place the European or American models for democracy on the middle east.

But you are free to think what you want. Whereas I'm coming from a point of view of real life experience with me and generations of my family having gone through several such "revolutions " in the middle east.

They VOTED in a president. America didn't like him..and had him removed. Then they INSTALLED a Shah.

Seems they tried Democracy..and fair play. And the very people that espouse that..beat down their Democracy.

We love democracy.

As long as they do not elect the wrong people.

Meaningless. Hitler was "democratically elected". Imagine if someone would have taken him out before proceeded with his plan.

 

[Sunni Man]

Hitler was "democratically elected". Imagine if someone would have taken him out before proceeded with his plan.

I have to agree with you Roudy.

It would be a much better world if Hitler had been eliminated before he could start WWII

For instance, there wouldn't be the state of Israel.

No fake Holocaust fantasy.

And no Holohoax myth museums...........

 

[irosie91]

Hitler was "democratically elected". Imagine if someone would have taken him out before proceeded with his plan.

I have to agree with you Roudy.

It would be a much better world if Hitler had been eliminated before he could start WWII

For instance, there wouldn't be the state of Israel.

No fake Holocaust fantasy.

And no Holohoax myth museums...........

try again Israel was already a funtioning society before the islamic hero
Adolf Abu ali came to office. Unlike the sorrounding enclaves of meccaist
shit-----Israel had schools, hospitals----the social agencies of CIVILIZED
PEOPLE and was well on the way to statehood
It would be a FAR FAR better world today if the DISGUSTING SLUT--AMINA
had aborted that lump of shit in her womb that grew to be the rapist pig

 

[Lipush]

Rose, he's just saying stuff to provoke, pay no attantion and don't take him seriously.

 

[Sunni Man]

Rose, he's just saying stuff to provoke, pay no attantion and don't take him seriously.

What I said was the truth.

Without Hitler there wouldn't the Holohoax fantasy.

And without the Holohoax there wouldn't have been the UN vote to establish the terrorist state of Israel on stolen land.........

 

[there4eyeM]

Rose, he's just saying stuff to provoke, pay no attantion and don't take him seriously.

What I said was the truth.

Without Hitler there wouldn't the Holohoax fantasy.

And without the Holohoax there wouldn't have been the UN vote to establish the terrorist state of Israel on stolen land.........

Looks as if madmen aren't limited to Iran.

Why would anyone want to so publicly expose one's shortcomings?

 

[irosie91]

Rose, he's just saying stuff to provoke, pay no attantion and don't take him seriously.

What I said was the truth.

Without Hitler there wouldn't the Holohoax fantasy.

And without the Holohoax there wouldn't have been the UN vote to establish the terrorist state of Israel on stolen land.........

I have been in mosques and have chatted with muslims for more
than 45 years-----what you posted is nothing new---it is the shit
licked off of masjid floors------very important to the ass lickers of
the rapist pig----it inspires their sluts to put bombs on their stinking
asses

 

[Jroc]

They VOTED in a president. America didn't like him..and had him removed. Then they INSTALLED a Shah.

Seems they tried Democracy..and fair play. And the very people that espouse that..beat down their Democracy.

We love democracy.

As long as they do not elect the wrong people.

Meaningless. Hitler was "democratically elected". Imagine if someone would have taken him out before proceeded with his plan.

France could have defeated Hitler on their own earlier on, but they waited and appeased as did the rest of Europe until Germany had the strongest military in the world. That appeasement lead to the deaths of 50 million people

 

[Roudy]

Rose, he's just saying stuff to provoke, pay no attantion and don't take him seriously.

What I said was the truth.

Without Hitler there wouldn't the Holohoax fantasy.

And without the Holohoax there wouldn't have been the UN vote to establish the terrorist state of Israel on stolen land.........

Just imagine if Mohammad wouldn't have arrived on the scene in Saudi Arabia 1400 years ago. He wouldn't have given Muslim donkeys like you a club to join, to remain stupid and barbaric like this and behave like wild animals in the 21st century.

Maybe you guys could have been peaceful and tolerant and would have joined the rest of humanity and welcomed modern civilization. Just imagine all the possibilities had Islam not shackled millions of people and turned them into Neanderthals. Oh well.

 

[Roudy]

Rose, he's just saying stuff to provoke, pay no attantion and don't take him seriously.

What I said was the truth.

Without Hitler there wouldn't the Holohoax fantasy.

And without the Holohoax there wouldn't have been the UN vote to establish the terrorist state of Israel on stolen land.........

Looks as if madmen aren't limited to Iran.

Why would anyone want to so publicly expose one's shortcomings?

Do you think he was this ignorant and stupid before he converted to Islam, or did his conversion make him even more retarded? I think there should be a study done on the human brain before and after conversion to Islam, to measure its negative effects.

 

[irosie91]

What I said was the truth.

Without Hitler there wouldn't the Holohoax fantasy.

And without the Holohoax there wouldn't have been the UN vote to establish the terrorist state of Israel on stolen land.........

Looks as if madmen aren't limited to Iran.

Why would anyone want to so publicly expose one's shortcomings?

Do you think he was this ignorant and stupid before he converted to Islam, or did his conversion make him even more retarded? I think there should be a study done on the human brain before and after conversion to Islam, to measure its negative effects.

Roudy ---I have wondered the same thing about sunni. He certainly is educated
in the standard islamo nazi filth----which is touted in mosques but ALSO
shows up in the places where thugs hang out -----like the kind of flea markets
that feature drugs and guns------and TATOO shops and the generally seedier
parts of the city. My sense about converts to islam is that most are attracted
to its thuggish characteristics