The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

What are your Initial Thoughts on the Guilt or Innocence of George Zimmerman?


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Yeah, but let's not overlook the key fact.

The defendant only has to worry about the appeal if he loses the trial.

While possible, I see that as HIGHLY unlikely at this point.

I think the prosecutors have got to be feeling pretty deflated.

Their stupidly brought horrible case went in even more poorly than it deserved to go in. And to end up with Dr. Bao testifying like this -- notes and all -- has got to feel terrible from their professional perspective.

I see very little reason (i.e., I see almost no reason at all) to believe that the judge will grant the expected defense motion at the end of the States case for a dismissal. (In NY it would be called a trial order of dismissal.) But that would certainly be a more rational outcome, based on the "quality" of the State's case, than continuing this clusterfuck of a trial.

Oh I agree; an acquittal is in the cards. And I also agree that this is a massive embarrassment to the Prosecution. I'm just brainstorming and counting the number of times the train has left the tracks during the last week.

I also wonder if the doctor's testimony might not raise appellate issues as to prior convictions (i.e., convictions of other defendants) wherein the doctor was the expert witness who (maybe) had notes which he failed to share with the State and the defense.

It certainly makes you wonder how "Independent" the "Independent Medical Examiner" is. In the area I live in, several convictions were reversed on appeal due to IME issues and prosecutorial misconduct. I'll have to research it further to see if I can find any similar circumstances to this insanity.
 
Dr. Hottie took pictures of the whole body and he remembered 6 years before, probably because he DOCUMENTED everything and his testimony was FACT not FICTION.

We need Dr. Hottie on the case, at the very least so we can watch him on the stand for a couple more days.

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Oh I agree; an acquittal is in the cards. And I also agree that this is a massive embarrassment to the Prosecution. I'm just brainstorming and counting the number of times the train has left the tracks during the last week.

I also wonder if the doctor's testimony might not raise appellate issues as to prior convictions (i.e., convictions of other defendants) wherein the doctor was the expert witness who (maybe) had notes which he failed to share with the State and the defense.

It certainly makes you wonder how "Independent" the "Independent Medical Examiner" is. In the area I live in, several convictions were reversed on appeal due to IME issues and prosecutorial misconduct. I'll have to research it further to see if I can find any similar circumstances to this insanity.

Seminole County contracts to Volusia County for autopsies, so TM was shipped over there as the lab is contracted to Orange and tox was shipped there.

I would think a district/county away would put even more a barrier of unbiased in between what should already be a just the facts, jack thing. What would be his dog in the fight?

I don't get this.
 
Oh god... what a mess this ME is. What a friggin mess.

If I was on the jury I'd discount everything the ME has said.

The prosecution is gonna have to rely on GZ's testimony.
 
I also wonder if the doctor's testimony might not raise appellate issues as to prior convictions (i.e., convictions of other defendants) wherein the doctor was the expert witness who (maybe) had notes which he failed to share with the State and the defense.

It certainly makes you wonder how "Independent" the "Independent Medical Examiner" is. In the area I live in, several convictions were reversed on appeal due to IME issues and prosecutorial misconduct. I'll have to research it further to see if I can find any similar circumstances to this insanity.

Seminole County contracts to Volusia County for autopsies, so TM was shipped over there as the lab is contracted to Orange and tox was shipped there.

I would think a district/county away would put even more a barrier of unbiased in between what should already be a just the facts, jack thing. What would be his dog in the fight?

I don't get this.

Seminole County might give some thought to going to some other county from now on.
 
Dr. Hottie took pictures of the whole body and he remembered 6 years before, probably because he DOCUMENTED everything and his testimony was FACT not FICTION.

We need Dr. Hottie on the case, at the very least so we can watch him on the stand for a couple more days.

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Instead we got Dr. I forgottie :(

You would think this case would be memorable, it took off in the headlines just a few weeks later.
 
Oh god... what a mess this ME is. What a friggin mess.

If I was on the jury I'd discount everything the ME has said.

The prosecution is gonna have to rely on GZ's testimony.

And what GZ said, in sum and substance, was: "I shot, but only after I had my nose busted, Trayvon was on top of me and pounding my head into the cement pavement and I feared that I was going to get killed (or seriously injured)."

Yes.

I think that IS what the prosecution is left with.
 
Are you listening to the same trial? Everything about Dee Dee's testimony was funny.

That's your opinion, not fact. Of course those may be interchangable with you at times.

Interchangeable? No. Correct? Usually. Then my opinions are based in facts, not emotion.
Nearly everyone here thinks Dee Dee was funny. Fact. You don't. That is your opinion and apparently, that is based on emotion.

This guy is a clown too, but I'm guessing you have no issues with his testimony at all and see him as a very effective witness for the State.

You are correct that I don't find it funny to keep repeating the same joke over and over. It's contemptable, idiotic.. This may or may not come as a surprise to you but I don't always find your opinions based on facts or even correct.

I have been posting all morning about my issues with this expert witness. I'm hoping he changes his tone and just gives them yes or no answers so we can get through this in a timely manner. At least a lot of this wasn't heard by the jury so we'll go from here.
 
Dr. Hottie took pictures of the whole body and he remembered 6 years before, probably because he DOCUMENTED everything and his testimony was FACT not FICTION.

We need Dr. Hottie on the case, at the very least so we can watch him on the stand for a couple more days.

View attachment 26696

Instead we got Dr. I forgottie :(

You would think this case would be memorable, it took off in the headlines just a few weeks later.

I wonder why the ME have trouble remembering an examination on a black teen... hate to say this but ... nah it goes without saying.
 
Oh god... what a mess this ME is. What a friggin mess.

If I was on the jury I'd discount everything the ME has said.

The prosecution is gonna have to rely on GZ's testimony.

This ME is not doing the prosecution any good, that's for sure. He testified that they couldn't get Martin's fingernail clippings because his nails were too short to clip, which would certainly affect whatever fingernail scrapings they got and explains why they got so little evidence.
 
Oh god... what a mess this ME is. What a friggin mess.

If I was on the jury I'd discount everything the ME has said.

The prosecution is gonna have to rely on GZ's testimony.

This ME is not doing the prosecution any good, that's for sure. He testified that they couldn't get Martin's fingernail clippings because his nails were too short to clip, which would certainly affect whatever fingernail scrapings they got and explains why they got so little evidence.

Agreed.. easier to grab the football when you don't have nails.. GZ's explanation gets better..
 
It certainly makes you wonder how "Independent" the "Independent Medical Examiner" is. In the area I live in, several convictions were reversed on appeal due to IME issues and prosecutorial misconduct. I'll have to research it further to see if I can find any similar circumstances to this insanity.

Seminole County contracts to Volusia County for autopsies, so TM was shipped over there as the lab is contracted to Orange and tox was shipped there.

I would think a district/county away would put even more a barrier of unbiased in between what should already be a just the facts, jack thing. What would be his dog in the fight?

I don't get this.

Seminole County might give some thought to going to some other county from now on.

I don't think he has a dog in the fight I think he's totally incompetant and the answer is as simple as that.
 
Zimmerman was NOT scratched, so frankly it's just silly to "predict" that Trayvon WOULD have had any of Zimmerman's skin under his nails.

The fingernail shit is a side show as I see this case. It's of no relevance to THIS case.
 
Wonderful. He has a "very great interest" in other self-defense cases; so much that he does independent research on others who were shot in apparent self-defense cases.

I mean all self-defense shootings have to be the same, right?
 
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